Rogue States - Learning from the Past: A Conversation with Diplomatic Historian Matthew Frakes

  In our conversation, Matthew Frakes, author of Rogue States: The Making of America’s Global War on Terror, takes us back to the Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush presidencies—when policies forged in that era help explain, in part, what we’re witnessing today in Iran and, earlier this year, in Venezuela. Listeners will also hear a short archival clip of George H. W. Bush and Margaret Thatcher speaking to reporters at the Aspen Institute on August 2, 1990, just as Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait was unfolding, a moment that would help shape the future U.S. approach to state-sponsored aggression.