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Everything that we see happening up north, everything from the execution of emergency powers, to the freezing of bank accounts, the seizure of children from parents, the destruction of livelihoods and small businesses, all of these things could happen here. Talti Gabbard. Going to be a major player in the Trump administration in the United States. When Mr.
Trump is sworn into office on the 20th of January, hi everybody. Roy Green Show. On this final day of November, it was not on his publicly available schedule. But last evening, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau flew to Mar-a-Lago, the estate of the incoming president, of course.
They had a three-hour dinner and discussion from what we understand. Some of it had to do. Probably most of it had to do with border security and Mr. Trump's threatened 25% tariff on Canadian goods.
Let's talk to a man. I think we all admire a great deal. He's accomplished so much in his life and I'm not blowing smoke here. Kevin O'Leary, it came Mr.
Wonderful. You can follow him on X at Kevin O'Leary TV. Chairman of O'Leary Ventures and Beanstocks, five-time Emmy Shark tanks, Mr. Wonderful, Windmaker, Watch Crypto AI and Guitar Guy, photographer and chef.
How do you squeeze all of that into one lifetime, Mr. O'Leary? I try and keep life interesting. That's the key to success.
You've got to keep going. You've got to try stuff. I just read on your post-it on X earlier today. When someone tells me, you can't do that, I love it.
Take that as your motivation and go prove them wrong. I've always tried to do that. But you do it at a completely different level. Thanks for coming back on the show.
How are you doing? Great, great. I'm wonderful to be back. I mean, this is a great chance to talk to Canada.
Always. So Mr. Trudeau flew publicly unannounced to West Palm Beach to meet with Mr. Trump last evening.
He took his chief of staff, Katie Telford, and the public safety minister, Dominic LeBlanc. They had that three-hour dinner, which Mr. Trudeau described as excellent. You wrote a few days ago that there was really no need for Mr.
Trump to meet with Mr. Trudeau because, well, Trudeau's on the way out. I agree with that. Yet there they were last evening at Mar-a-Lago.
What do you make of that? I think it's good for Trump. I think it's good for Trudeau. But the real negotiation is yet to come.
As you know, we're going into NAFTA 3 because a lot of people don't know the name of the new agreement. But it's the US-Mexican-Canadian agreement that is going to be negotiated quite a while from now, but it won't be with Trudeau. And that agreement is far more important than what's going on right now because, remember, this is policy by social media. This is not yet official US policy.
He put that out on the truth of social. And everybody woke up around the world, so the Mexicans have the Canadians. But I don't really think Trump wants tariffs with his partner, North and South of border. What he wants is to reflect the mandate he was elected on in 39 years.
There's never been a landslide like this. I mean, clearly the American people have spoken. He's got to listen. And one thing they want is to secure borders.
So, you know, to the... We're not the biggest culprit of people cruising over the border with drugs, but my personal opinion, he doesn't like Trudeau. So he just rattles cage a little bit. That's what I think he did.
And because, remember, Trudeau just sent all this crap out during his first mandate. Why he would do that? Well, I've always said Trudeau is a poor manager and has no political skills whatsoever. But I don't say that with disrespect because I have to respect the fact from longevity.
He's one of the most successful prime ministers in Canadian history. And he did it without any execution skills. That's incredible. It lasts almost nine years as an absolutely zero manager.
Incredible, incredible. And I got handed to him, but wow, was the time to get rid of that guy. Yes, it is. So, Mr.
Trump has, even though he has not, obviously been sworn in and you said it's a communication by social media, he still managed. Tell me if you agree with this. He's managed to push Canada and Mexico toward each other, at each other's proverbial throats, as it were, economically with economics, trying to get to the center of attention with the United States, USMC AB damned. Yeah, but it's good for him in his next 48 days to show that, you know, he is going to adhere to the mandate he was elected on.
Border security and the economy and inflation were the top agenda items, and particularly border security because, you know, that story of these murders and small American towns and all of this illegal integration, this stuff really was powerful and Americans are expecting some results. So probably, you know, 80% of that or in 89 or whatever the hell it is, it's really going to be Mexican problems. But why not just take it up with Canada to show that you can get a prime minister to fly down and see you for dinner in 24 hours? That's exactly what he did.
Every true, for Trudeau who was, you know, silent for a week, trying to figure out what to do, he formed a war room with pre-neurs, all that stuff, but the guy was checked out of dodge. And so it looks like he's doing something. It's probably different. He's not going to save him.
But I think there's something more interesting brewing, and I'll tell you what I think it is. Partly, it's because Doug Bergum was at that dinner. Doug Bergum has become a very powerful instigator in the cabinet. He's not only interior, but he's also energy czar.
And you're not thinking about unthinking reigniting keystone with Daniel Smith. That's what's going on there. And that's, Trump wants to do that. So there he is, getting at the table thinking, you know, Trudeau this or that, but what they really want is energy independence in the US and all roads lead to Alberta.
Yeah, and we can add Saskatchewan to that mix as well, because they have a lot of natural resources, investment in this country, as you say, is lagging Stephen Gibo, the environment minister continues to try to punish Alberta and Saskatchewan, particularly on the issue of natural resources development and sale. And that is nothing as far as investment in this country as concerned. You must have some worries about that being Canadian. Where's the point?
I do. I'm coming from. It's not yet. Canada will be emerging from a nine-year economic coma induced by Justin Trudeau.
The amount of capital that's left the country, GDP per capita, complete collapse, investment per capita, unbelievable collapse. Even the CPP, the pension plan for most Canadians outside of Quebec, not a dime invested in Canada. This is why I say the level of incompetency with Trudeau is almost financial malhesus. This guy has got to go.
I mean, he's got to go. He is destroying the essence of Canada's DNA. And this starts back with a guy named Gerald Butts. I can't let him go.
That guy was involved in the early years of Trudeau and decimated the hydrocarbon and natural resources and minerals and rare materials and paper and water. With some vision, I have no idea what it was, but the amount of damage, you got to remember something. And I say this to all Canadians. A majority mandate of a Prime Minister is far more powerful than a President of the United States.
A majority mandate when the Cabinet is behind you, you get to do whatever you like. And that's what Trudeau did in the beginning of his mandate. He destroyed Canada. And it took years for it to really play out.
But now we are so weakened. It's unbelievable. What took me over the edge just as a Canadian guy with a Canadian passport. And I mean, it's really maybe a trivial thing.
I go to a wedding in Egypt with my wife, Linda, we show up with 200 other guests to this guy named Anchorage, a very famous entrepreneur in the US. The incredible thing was he allowed to go into Egypt anymore as Canadians. I don't know what Trudeau did. I don't know what he did to piss them off, but that was the last straw for me.
I went out of my mind. I went out of my mind. A Canadian passport is the most coveted passport on Earth. You decide to switch passports.
What did that guy do? Please, everybody, listen what I'm saying. I don't care what political party you're in. This guy has to find a new career.
He has a passport. He'll be allowed to stay in Canada, but he can never touch our country again. Ever, ever, ever, ever. This guy has to go.
Unbelievable damage that he's done. If you don't understand that, okay, what province you're in listening to this, this guy is bad news. Don't get me going again. Didn't take long to get me going either.
One more question for you. Americans have expectations of Canada. Let's go back to Mr. Trump.
Like spending on our military capability, is the Trump administration, in your view, going to pressure Canada even more so than during Donald Trump's first presidency, and people forget he imposed a tariff on steel and aluminum, which took time to be lifted first time round. You don't think that this 25% tariff is going to happen? If I remember correctly what you said a few minutes ago. No, no, it's not going to happen.
It's not going to happen. It's going to happen. It's going to happen. It's going to happen towards the Mexico, US Canadian, Greenville.
Here's what I know now. I didn't know this a few months ago. I work for Doug Bergen. I manage money for North Dakota.
I've got to know the guy. I understand how he works. I know Kevin Stipp in the Midwest. I believe he changed that because he'll probably change that because he'll have to believe me.
Just look at the numbers. I said, ever Canadian, what are you doing? Get rid of this. You're a man-date as a Canadian citizen.
Get rid of this guy. Anyways, leaving that alone. Here's what the US needs. Huge problem right now in the power grid for electricity.
Power Authority you go to. You can go to West Virginia, Virginia. You can go to Oklahoma, you can go to North Dakota, you can go to Texas. They're maxed out.
Partly because of all the portion of electricity. Not just EVs, but everything. They need in North America. Let me give one.
It's VC. It can be really unique because they have so much. And with these new turbines, they're called two-cycle turbines, you can mine this gas and electricity almost 100% green. This is new technology we didn't have 20 years ago.
These things are expensive. But I'm telling you right now, Danielle Smith is going to be a friggin' rock star in the US administration. It's going to be a great time to generate power as you can sell to the US for the benefit of all Canadians, particularly the people of Alberta. They're going to make a ton of dough.
Once they light up a new version of the Keystone and circumvent leave that charge, Kenneth Smith's going to become the head of all governors, the Governor's Council of the United States. I hate to do this to you, but we've got about 30 seconds. I like to do a hard-to-see. I'm just getting you what I know.
I don't know what I'm telling you. She's going to be a rock star. So I know you got to wrap it up. But there's so much good stuff going on for Canada as soon as she goes on.
Everybody figure out what you do with your day to get rid of this guy. And you want to unleash the power of our incredible country. We're just coming on Earth, run by idiots. Listen, I always appreciate speaking with you.
I always appreciate hearing your points of view. You don't blow your punches. You're straightforward. That's what we appreciate in this country.
And we need it back. Thanks very much for the time, Kevin. You got it. Take care.
So one of the things we spoke with Mr. O'Leary about was Mr. Trump's threat to Canada and to Mexico, 25% are across the board on Canadian products and Mexican products entering the United States. If our two countries do not satisfactorily secure our borders with the US.
And that gets us thinking what would the individual and total impact be for this country before we think about Mexico. And there's more that we want to talk about. But we'll start with this. And I want to tell you, I was just reading in the Globe when Mayor Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has taken steps to try to stop Donald Trump's promise 25% tariffs on all Canadian goods, convening a meeting Wednesday, of course, as we know, with the provincial premiers, placing to work through the US President-elect's demands and launching a campaign to lobby members of Congress.
Of course, Mr. Trudeau met with Mr. Trump last night at Merilogu, a three-hour dinner. It goes on to say the Mexican President, Claudia Shinebaum-Pardo, by contrast to taking a defiant approach, she said she'll retaliate against any tariff and demanded that the US do more to crack down on the flow of illegal guns into Mexico and its own domestic market for illicit drugs.
So it looks as though, I mean, I'm just gazing in from the outside. I'm glad I wasn't there, honestly. I think probably we have a better situation with the United States than Mexico, but our border is a major concern to the Americans. And I've talked to quite a few Americans close to or at the border over the last couple of weeks, and they do express a deep concern.
None of them wanted to come on the air, but they were willing to talk to me off the air. When I talked to people in Vermont, and I talked to people in New York State, particularly those two states, because I'm very familiar with the Canada-US border in both of those states. And yeah, they're quite happy to talk to me off the air, quite happy to express their concern, but nobody wanted to come on the air and deal with it. We're talking about it.
Professor Eric Cam is with us, our great friend, macroeconomics, Professor of Toronto Metropolitan University. Professor Cam, how are you doing today? I'm doing well, Roy, but I have to tell you, I got back yesterday from a week in Florida. And like you, I really enjoy talking to Americans and getting their perspective of our country.
And I can tell you right now, it really is just a simple case of size matters. And whether you're talking about Canadians that are down there, or you know, Americans who live their lives, they're really not terribly concerned about Canada. And in fact, the part that Mr. O'Leary has correct, and I think this is the part that bothers me the most over and above the academic, economic, financial concerns, is that sometimes we come up as a little bit of a joke to people.
And I do blame the Prime Minister for that, and the way he approaches things. And some of the Americans that I spoke to when I was talking about border control, they were saying that they really value their border. It's a way of keeping out undesirables, and far too many people probably shot off their mouth, but still, when they spoke to me, they said, we're not you. We're not Canada.
We don't take in everybody and feed and clothe and educate them just because they wander into our country. We'd have some rules and some regulations as to who we let in. And I think that's what bothered me about this whole border patrol argument, Roy. Just over and above the academics of it.
It's just this perception that we're a really, really small country that is a really, really small speed bump on America's growth and prosperity. And as a Canadian, that's hard to swallow, right? You know, we have situations that, you know, we're individuals across from Canada into the United States or as a tempatou. And their objective was to commit acts of terror.
And the Americans are very concerned about. They have some really big numbers that I wasn't aware of. I really did not know that the numbers were as big as the border patrol will provide you as being. But look, let's talk about, let's just talk about what could happen because, you know, Mr.
O'Leary says he's not expecting Mr. Trump to move forward with his tariffs. But GOP and Democratic members of Congress are divided. I was reading a story the other day on whether Trump would impose 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico.
Republicans say it's a negotiating tactic as Trump tries for a better USMC. That's the son of NAFTA, trade pact, while Democrats say Trump is very serious about engaging in tariffs on Canada and Mexico. What would a 25% tariff, what damage would a 25% tariff do to Canada and Canadians and where and on what would such a tariff hit mostly directly? Well, so what Trump is really talking about is putting that type of a massive tax on goods that the United States imports from Canada.
So it's an old argument. It's called an infant industry argument, Roy, which is if you want to protect your industries and let them grow, don't let other countries in. And so as we know, Trump previously imposed these tariffs on things like Canadian steel and aluminum. And he talked about things like national security concerns like you're talking about.
So a return to such policies could really and dullably and forever harm Canadian exporters and absolutely reduce our competitiveness in any type of US market, right? And any additional tariff or restricted trade measures really could lead to retaliatory actions. But the United States isn't terribly concerned about our retaliation because they have a trillion dollar country, hundreds of trillions of dollars and we have billions of dollars of an economy. They are a large open economy, we're a small open economy.
I think it's going to go back to things like steel, the big thing, steel, aluminum, cars, energy, natural gas, things like that, oil, of course, and of course those are goods. But we haven't even talked about the dollar. I mean, if this thing goes through, right? So, the Trump's policies are going to lead to some market uncertainty and volatility.
And that's going to do nothing more in this economy than weaken the Canadian dollar against the US dollar. And now just two quick things. Number one, our dollar is already at about $1.41. I spoke to many Canadians in Florida who one of the things they love to do is run to malls and buy goods because they're cheaper in the States.
That is gone. The US no longer has to worry about that right now. Canadians are not buying goods. So a weaker dollar increases the cost of imports and it's just going to terribly negatively impact Canadian consumers and businesses.
So simply put, right? The US is not. They don't want our goods. And so they're going to put protections, tariffs, quotas to keep our goods out.
And as a result of that, what it's going to do to the dollar is just have a reinforcing effect where Canadians go for the first time in decades. We can't afford to shop in the United States. So right now, Roy, as it sits right now, and I don't care if it's 25%, it could be 10%, 15%. The score right now is United States one, Canada zero.
So if if that 25% tariff situation were to develop and they did it, the added tariff on steel and aluminum during the first term of Mr. Trump is president and I took some time to negotiate it off or negotiated away. If there were a 25% tariff across the board, would we see new supply chain issues? Would we see inflation climbing higher again?
Would that be an unavoidable consequence? Or is that would that just depend on other circumstances? I'm going to tell you why I think this is a real problem, Roy. And let's talk about the impact on the supply chain for a second, right?
It's just now this one, much like we did during the pandemic, the cross-border supply chain delays are a really big deal, right? And so if he does impose stricter trade policies, tariffs, whatever, you're going to create bottlenecks at the supply chain, just like you saw during the pandemic for automotive goods and agricultural goods, and we know that Canada is deeply tied to production. So I started to think about this, Roy, and I thought, well, let's play the old game of follow the money. What do you do when you are staring down a possible true erosion of consumer confidence in your economy, completely reducing foreign investment into Canada?
And the other potential recessionary effects that you've touched on. Well, you know what you do if you're a federal government with not much clue, Roy? You double down on your one growth strategy, and that has been consumption. So I thought to myself, you know what the government would do if they're really concerned about this?
They would have a tax vacation, which is nothing more than doubling down on consumption. They're saying, if you're going to get whacked on the supply side, just like we did during the pandemic, well, let's do what we did during the pandemic because that seemed to be okay at the time. Let's just keep running more and more conspicuous consumption. So I think I've kind of come up with a clue at where this magical tax vacation came from.
I think it's a response to what the government fears of a Trump situation. And so to your point, I know I've been long-winded, but when you take high aggregate demand, like they're hoping kicks in during a tax vacation and a strangulated supply, it's only one thing that can happen, Roy. Prices are going to go up. And so I ask people to kind of follow along.
I know it sounds a bit devious, but I think I've come up with why we're going to see a tax vacation. That's really interesting. That is really interesting because I think people are more attuned to what's going on financially and with the economy from the economic side of things financially, because we've been so hard because we've learned over the last couple of years of the pandemic. And we've learned since that the inflationary trend, maybe we didn't previously pay as much attention as we should because they didn't last that long.
If interest rates went up a little bit, they came back down. This time it was something that stuck with this. And it was more sensitive to these fluctuations. And if they stay, we know what they can do to us.
Now, I saw this headline on GlobalNews.ca, Bank of Canada official. This will be the deputy governor of the Bank of Canada. Bank of Canada official warns it would be quote painful, end quote, the sea big price drops. What are they talking about?
I have absolutely no idea. The only thing I can kind of think that they're doing is they're kind of reminding people that, again, in advance of this tax vacation, asking people to spend money, that people, they want people to realize that, oh, I'm sorry. People to realize that, oh, I think the population wants to see prices going down. But times of deflation tend to be recessionary times.
So the only thing that I can understand about this, because it's hard to read around my head around it, is it's a little bit more Roy, what you're talking about of this erosion of consumer confidence, which is really hard to measure on a graph or a mathematical equation. But we know coming out of the pandemic and I'll be quick that this economic instability from the US that spills over is really on high alert right now. And so I think in its own way, this might be the Bank of Canada's marriage to the government to say, okay, government, you have a tax holiday. Make sure consumption stays strong, just in case no goods come flowing over or no goods go pouring into the other country.
And we'll do our bit by reminding Canadians that what you don't want our prices coming down too fast and too strong. I think there's a lot of snake oil salesmen right now where we're waiting. I think a lot of people are scared. Mm hmm.
So I spoke with the S and the policy is just the taxes removed from food purchases period. It's immoral. They'll be charging tax on food. And I've brought that up with politicians in the past, finance ministers, and what I've heard is, well, we need the money.
We need the money. We need the money. We need the money. And how badly do they need taxation dollars from food purchases?
And could we survive very well? Thank you very much. If they stopped taxing food period. We absolutely could survive if they stopped taxing food period.
And they could actually, we could survive if they stopped taxing menstrual products period. And what we need to do is do some shifting of the tax burden over to some other goods. And I don't want to geek out the goods that have a very inelastic supply, which means we don't have a lot of choice but to purchase them. I mean, there's a lot of fear mongering right now, Roy, but Professor Charlotte is absolutely smarter than the average person.
And what he's saying is in his food economics way is that there's no way to grow an economy by having taxes, removing taxes, putting taxes back on. You either have taxes or you don't have taxes and you find something else to tax. But this on off on off policy, not only does it not stimulate long run growth, it does nothing to short run growth. Yeah, and we need to reestablish convenience confidence that Canadians have in our systems and certainly our monetary systems because we struggled so much and are still struggling.
To this to this day, Professor Cam, thank you for the time. Good talking to you guys always. Thank you. To honor Roy, stay healthy.
World War III has never been closer than it is right now. We need to clean house of all of the warmongers and America last globalist in the deep state, the Pentagon, the State Department and the National Security Industrial Complex. One of the reasons I was the only president in generations who didn't start a war is that I was the only president who rejected the catastrophic advice of many of Washington's generals, bureaucrats and the so-called diplomats who only know how to get us into conflict, but they don't know how to get us out. Alright, Mr.
Trump met with Mr. Trudeau last evening in Marilago. We didn't know none of us knew in this country that that meeting was going to take place. It wasn't on Trudeau's public schedule, but he was going to fly to West Palm Beach, Florida, and then, I guess, folks who watch airline and air travel, you can watch all that stuff online.
He said, hey, wait a minute. That's the plane that the Prime Minister of Canada uses, and it's landing in West Palm. Who lives in West Palm? Mr.
Trump. They had their three-hour meeting, which Mr. Trudeau describes as excellent. We just heard Kevin O'Leary at the beginning of the program, Mr.
Wonderful joining us from the Shark Tank. And speaking about that particular meeting, how he assesses it and what Trump is doing, what he's doing, and also imploring Canadians to get another Prime Minister as soon as possible. GlobalNews.ca.shroygreen is where you can hear that interview again if you didn't hear it the first time, or if you didn't hear it again, it's GlobalNews.ca.shroygreen. And that should be up shortly after this program ends in its conclusion.
We've talked a lot about immigration over the last few weeks, because it is such a massively digested program issue and talked about issue. And Canadians are sad to the federal government. You have to do something about this. Because the massive immigration numbers are causing problems with our social programs and causing problems with health care.
They're causing problems with housing and so the liberals who want to be reelected did some, you know, took some steps in that regard. How far they're going to get and how much they've accomplished, who knows. But we do know from Black Locks Reporter and our good friend Tom Korski, the editor who joins us on this program regularly, that immigration, refugees and citizenship count about, that's the name of the ministry, the name gets longer and longer all the time. According to an internal report obtained by Black Locks Reporter, 47% of Canadians are of the view that too much immigration into this country is taking place.
Richard Kerland is back with this immigration lawyer in Vancouver. And good to have you with us back, Mr. Kerland. It's a pleasure.
47% of Canadians say too many immigrants are coming to Canada. 52% in Ontario. 48% in Alberta. Are you surprised at any of this?
Not fundamentally from the Justin Trudeau government policy to change the Canadian immigration system from a human capital get the brightest and the best into a low skilled flow. And that accounted for two million extra work permits and the study permits that people work in the low skilled jobs, devastating the public support of the immigration program. And the proof and the pudding, those new stats demonstrate what Canadians are feeling right now. Yeah, you've advised us, I said many times, when I introduced you, you've advised the federal government and the Quebec government on immigration matters.
And again, Quebec has its own, largely its own, immigration policies and rules and rights. But this information was compiled for immigration, refugees and citizenship, Canada. It was ministry information that came into the orbit of Black Locks reporter. What do you suspect the federal government would?
No, let me rephrase that. How would you advise? What would you advise the federal minister of immigration, Mark Miller, who seems to believe that almost all of the people who are here with visas right now in the next year will be leaving voluntarily. I don't think he's been paying much attention to what's going on in the real world.
But what would you advise the federal government of as far as these numbers are concerned? Well, my advice would be, well, you broke it. Try to gain political capital by being seen to fix it. That's rather traditional.
And the way to do it is these high profile hop on a plane go south meetings, which is a positive gesture. But I would be advising to be publicly seen. Actually, if you really want to know, if as a result of this show, when the two of us say, where's the prime minister? Well, you're not meeting with premiers.
Within two days, three days, meetings were scheduled with premiers. Same thing for you got to help the border towns. Within days, help is extended. The advice now would be those sexy media shots of the construction on the American side of the border of detention camps, deportation camps, and the expenditures on the Canadian side for a quote-unquote accommodation.
That 14-day loophole, which again, due to you, became known nationally, people reacted. The idea there would be for the prime minister or the immigration minister to be visibly seen, to be negotiating on what to do about that 14-day loophole with our American friends. Yeah, well, I find that out through you. So let's pass the panel back right back to you.
When you said that, when you first said to me, 14 days, all you have to do if you're crossing the border illegally, the land border illegally from the United States, in Canada, once you're in Canada, all you have to do is evade the authorities. For 14 days, and if you can do that, you can surface, and you'll be put into the refugee queue, and I thought, what is going on here? There are people who are legitimate refugees who have tremendous amount of difficulty getting to Canada because they don't have the money for the transport. And we're going to be paying the price for that very quickly in 2025, because President Trump's immigration policies are going to take root.
And that means that the North American toothpaste tube is going to be squeezed 11 million people at risk of removal. And Canada is at that. Those are the number one group of our motivated to hit is going to slice the political artery of the federal liberal party. Yeah, there's a lot going on.
63, Richard, percent want immigrants to do more to integrate into existing Canadian society. 32% say refugees are taking Canadians' jobs. Those are not numbers projecting their cohesive society, are they? Not at all, and it's worse.
I obtained also internal opinion polling from IRCC, courtesy of the Access Information Act, and 3,500 people were surveyed by the Immigration Department on their intention to depart Canada when their study permits are done. And 90% plus no per tanker. It's not going to get worse for a long time. And the refugee intake numbers from people on study permits is already skyrocketing.
It's going to get worse by the secret decision of the Prime Minister's office to add 2 million extra people under political radar. They got away with the decision. They got caught. Housing supply got squeezed because 2 million extra people had to live somewhere.
All that sent to the dental once they got caught on housing supply linked to the 2 million extra people there. Well, that information that came out in this particular survey that was done for the ministry in which Black Locks got hold on and spread out. But the rest of us do, to somebody. It was really, really interesting and speaks volumes.
And as always my friend, thank you so much for the time. Thanks for joining us. It's a pleasure. Keep it up.
Keep it up. Yeah, Richard, Kerland, Immigration Lawyer, Parx, and all this. Social media is such a prevalent part in young people's lives and how people socialize and interact with each other and keep in contact and build relationships with each other. And with such like a clear cut ban, I believe that it will only create a generation of young people who will be more technologically literate in order to achieve these effects.
We should take it upon ourselves to regulate our own personal social media usage rather than being forced off of it. An Australian teenager talking about the fact that her country is making it illegal or anyone under the age of 16 to participate on social media. And in France, it's actually 15 years of age. Now, one of those two countries, and I forget which one is which, but one of them will allow somebody younger than 16 people to be able to do it.
And somebody younger than 16 to engage on social media if apparent or guardian improves and the other country will not. It's just, it's just the rules. It's just the way it is. And I saw and heard a number of Australian kids who had been interviewed about this.
And their point was, yeah, it can be very bad for us. It's something we love to do, but it can be very bad for us. And they had a very interesting and I don't want to just abuse the word mature, but they had a very mature position and view of the situation. We're going to get into the issuing of because it's tied together, bullying and cyberbullying.
Because cyberbullying, of course, is online and it does go happen through social media. And it's on the rise in this country. And so I read just the other day are the incidents of suicide ideation and committing suicide among the young who are being bullied, but not exclusively the young. Not exclusively the young.
If you've ever been bullied in your life, you're having a response right now. And I know this because of the programming that we've aired. I know this because I've heard from adults who said I was bullied as a child and something that stayed with me. I remember adults calling and saying my whole career, my life was retarded.
And I mean that in the sense it was slowed down. It never reached its potential because of the way I was bullied. I had a police officer calling in from Regina on one of our programs. And I said, Roy, I'm a big tough cop.
But I'm being so bullied by one of my superiors on the police force that I am retiring early. And I'm forfeiting a percentage of my pension by doing so because I don't want to be bullied any longer. And there was another young man called in from Saskatchewan and he'd been a bully. And he thought he'd actually caused the death of a child in his school.
He had bullied. We'll talk more about that in the next half hour when I take your calls on bullying. It's a huge issue, but cyber bullying is massive. It's growing worse.
There was a study done a number of years ago in England and they found that I think it was 25% of students who were being cyber bullied were potential suicide victims potential. So it's something that we need to be fully fully aware of. Jason Carey joins us. PhD is the manager of clinical services, clinical service operations for the kids help phone.
Jason, thank you very much for taking the time. Thank you for having me. Have I overstated anything? No, no, you haven't.
Bullying is a growing trend. And just to give you an idea, today's youth are in crisis like you've spoken about with social media. But CHP has the highest number of annual transactions in the organization's history at 4.7 million interactions. And a lot of those happen to be rooted in instances of bullying.
You said 4.7 million. Is that in a year? How long period of time are we talking about? Jason?
Oh, I'm sorry. Are you cut out there for a moment? No. Okay.
Are we talking when you say 4.7 million interaction with kids help line? Is that in a 12 month period or a longer period of time? What are you talking about? This would be on an annual basis.
So on a year by your basis. Wow. 4.7 million. Is there a common denominator story that you hear?
Is there a common denominator in these instances? Bullying story? Well, I mean, a lot of issues do arise. We hear a lot more about cyberbullying.
So you've spoken about this. So a lot of issues are stemming from the cyberbullying world of social media. And this is becoming more and more of an instance for young people. Tell us how, I don't want to use word typical.
Tell us how an incident of cyberbullying may present itself and unfold. Well, I mean, young people by nature love to interact with one another. They're very social beings. In fact, humans are very social beings.
So with that, I mean, young people, they go to school. They have their cell phones. They have their iPads, laptops. So they're constantly interacting with each other.
And with social media, it's 24.7. There's no off switch for social media. So when instances of bullying do occur through social media, it's a 24.7 situation that follows that young person everywhere that they go. And the impact from cyberbullying is more impactful because it's always there.
It's constant. It's present. And it's hard to switch off. Yeah.
So there's one thing, it's one thing to be in school and be bullied while you're in the school grounds or in the classroom. The home is no longer, no home is no longer an escape is it? I mean, you can be tracked easily. Your social media contact, your email, you can be tracked, you're texting.
You can be bullied 24.7. Yeah, Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram, there's probably some other social media platforms that kids go on. Even gaming, when kids are gaming, whether it's through Xbox or PlayStation or just online, there's ability to chat with other people as well. So even in that, when kids are trying to escape and distract themselves, there's that element as well that will still follow them.
So there's links everywhere that these young people are getting attacked from. And so it's very, very hard to escape. And with regards to cyberbullying and how it connects to thoughts of suicide or even young people dying by suicide or even self harming. The suicide is the second leading cause of death for youth in Canada, which is the third highest rate of developed countries.
So that speaks volumes of the impact that this is having. First of all, Jason, can we get the phone number please for kids to call? What is the phone number? Our phone number is 1-800-668-6868.
And that's a 24-7-365. 1-800-668-68. 6-8-68. 6-8-68.
1-800-668-6868. And it's 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Yeah, we never close. What do you do with the kids help line if the child calls you and it's late in the evening and they've been bullied, cyberbullied, and they don't know what to do with it.
They don't know what to do, they don't know what to do to talk to. What can you do for them? How do you approach it? Well, the first thing that we can do is really give them time and space to share what they need to share.
Oftentimes when a young person is being bullied, lots of things are happening for them. It's usually been going on for quite some time that they've tried to deal with it on their own and it's a pretty tough thing. So we give them time and space and give them an opportunity to share what they need to share, what they feel comfortable sharing, and really just allowing them to find their own voice. Oftentimes in incidences of bullying, voices get lost.
They get lost because nobody's listening to them, nobody's taking them seriously. Maybe they don't have the right kind of support. Maybe they just choose to keep it quiet because they know they're not going to be heard. So they just feel that they just don't have the voice, they don't have the power to say anything or do anything.
So we allow them that time and space and sort of allow them to feel their feelings out loud through words and through whatever way makes them feel comfortable. We ever advise them because the basic advice when I was a kid and a child got bullied, the basic advice at home will always punch the bully in the mouth and it'll keep the bully off you and it'll keep the rest of the bullies away from you. Is that sound advice? Is it advice you ever offer or is that?
No, that's not advice that we offer up. I mean bullying has changed over the years. I, you know, schoolyard bullying as they say would be, you know, would be, you know, back in the day, very straightforward, right? You'd be the schoolyard fights.
Yeah, that was, but there was no social media then. There were no other avenues. It was, it was very, if I can use the term one-dimensional. So much, much, although very impactful still, there were different ways to deal with it then.
But now many, many years into the future, we have people who have access to avenues to people all the time. So what do they do? When they, when they, when they cyber bully, what would happen typically to a, to a young person or not necessarily a young person, but I guess everybody's vulnerable to cyber bullying. What's the sort of, but let's talk about kids for a second.
What sort of thing happens when they start to become big and cyber bullying? Well, I mean, a lot of, a lot of this happens could be on Facebook, could be on Instagram, could be Snapchat. Young people put pictures of themselves up on a lot of these social media sites, especially Instagram, and you'll find individuals connecting and, and somehow getting their way into their accounts and seeing pictures and same thing with Facebook. People like to post pictures on Facebook of, of themselves or their friends or, you know, events that they've been at.
So all it takes is one person to, to make a comment in the comment section that may be derogatory or that may be insulting in some way. And we know that it doesn't take much to start chipping away at somebody's self-worth. And when you're in such a public environment as social media, it's a very, very slippery slope at that point. It starts to spiral very quickly.
People start to pile on other people. You have the, you have the effect of nobody wants to step in, but everybody will, it's easier to do to pile on. And it is to step in and say, what's happening here is wrong. Do you have any doubt that there are people listening to us now, whether it's younger people or whether it's adults, younger people who are maybe being bullied now?
Or adults who were bullied when they were younger, I'm focusing on younger bullying. Do you have any doubt that there's people listening right now or identifying exactly with what's being said and they know because they were bullies, being bullied or are being bullied? Any doubt that there are people like that listening right now? I believe that there are people who are listening right now that are on both sides of the fence.
There are bullies and, and, and, and, and bullied. So I think that it goes, you know, those who bully are generally, or have been, or are being bullied somewhere else in their life. So we have to look at the bigger picture when it comes to that as well. And we look at, we look at the behaviors that are happening.
So I believe that there are both that are potentially listening to this show. Say something to the bullies. You know, it's being a bully doesn't make you a bad person. It's, it's a behavior.
It's a behavior. We focus on the behaviors just because somebody is doing something right. We, we look at, you know, when we're raising a child and they do something bad or mischievous or they, whatever they do, doesn't make your child a bad child. Just makes that what they're doing is not necessarily perhaps the healthiest, the best.
Perhaps it's hurting somebody else or themselves. So this is where the education comes in and giving them time and space to try to understand what's going on for them. And oftentimes if we can look at it from a perspective of, you know, just because somebody's lashing out and bullying others, there's a reason behind that. There's always a reason behind that.
So we have to look at that and go, you know what, if there's something happening, and you're feeling the need to lash out at others because you're angry, you're frustrated, you know, when I come talk to us, it's okay. This is a safe place to come and talk to, to somebody. There's no judgment. Jason, thank you very much for the time.
Thanks for joining us today. You're very welcome.