Russia is not the enemy. The EU should be destroyed. Is this Trump’s strategy? episode artwork

EPISODE · Dec 11, 2025 · 30 MIN

Russia is not the enemy. The EU should be destroyed. Is this Trump’s strategy?

from The Global Agora · host Andrej Matisak

"Although the National Security Strategy says very little about Russia, what it does say is really, really significant because it does not treat Russia as an adversary. But we’re talking about an attempt to break the European Union, to absolutely shatter this institution.” This is what Scott Lucas, Professor of International Politics at the Clinton Institute at University College Dublin, told me when commenting on the new National Security Strategy of the Trump administration. Scott is also Professor Emeritus of International Politics at the University of Birmingham and editor-in-chief of EA WorldView. Does he think that Europe is, at this moment, squeezed between Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Elon Musk, and Xi Jinping – and if so, how should it respond? Listen to our conversation. And if you enjoy what I do, please support me on Ko-fi! Thank you. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://ko-fi.com/amatisak

"Although the National Security Strategy says very little about Russia, what it does say is really, really significant because it does not treat Russia as an adversary. But we’re talking about an attempt to break the European Union, to absolutely shatter this institution.” This is what Scott Lucas, Professor of International Politics at the Clinton Institute at University College Dublin, told me when commenting on the new National Security Strategy of the Trump administration. Scott is also Professor Emeritus of International Politics at the University of Birmingham and editor-in-chief of EA WorldView. Does he think that Europe is, at this moment, squeezed between Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Elon Musk, and Xi Jinping – and if so, how should it respond? Listen to our conversation. And if you enjoy what I do, please support me on Ko-fi! Thank you. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://ko-fi.com/amatisak

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