S02E15: The Chocolate Botanist on Plants as Food, Medicine & Ancestry, and the Ugliest Orchid Alive

Derek Haynes — The Chocolate Botanist — joins us for one of our widest-ranging episodes yet: equal parts plant science, stand-up, and a conversation that genuinely mattered.We open with the news. Tanya reports from Japan, where a 26-year-old got arrested within 24 hours for swapping the price tag on a ~$1,700 Operculicaria (a slow-growing Madagascan caudex succulent that mimics a decades-old bonsai) down to about $25 — then panicked and fled at the till. Then Jos digs into TWP Tropical, the Oklahoma seller being called out across Reddit and Facebook over allegedly importing poached Anthurium carlablackiae and papillilaminum, blocking anyone who questions them, running "blind pre-sales," and faking listings with AI-generated plants. All firmly "big alleged."Then the interview. Derek is a trained plant biologist — a decade managing an automated greenhouse where he says he's grown and touched over a million plants, plus stints at the NCSU Phytotron, tissue culture, and hand-pollinating corn for the USDA. He walks us through how plants can be turned into protein factories, and he's refreshingly honest about where the "scientist in a lab" image ends and the guy with a hole-puncher in a 40°C cornfield begins. (There's also a small-world moment when it turns out Jos breeds the very same tobacco species Derek used to grow.)But the core of this one is his mission. We get into the Botanical Green Book — his project spotlighting Black plant people and mapping the safe spaces our community doesn't always provide — and Derek shares hard, first-hand experiences of being ignored and unwelcome in plant shops as a 6'3" Black man. He makes the case for being "a co-conspirator, not just an ally," lays out his ethnobotany thesis that plants are food, medicine, and ancestry, and tells the story of the trusted mentor who quietly talked him out of his dreams — and what he'd tell the next young Black botanist instead. He also gives a shout to the Black women who built his brand: Erica Parker Smith, Lucretia of Soul Sister Plants, and Erica Powell.We close with the games. Hot or Nah rates a color-shifting Dimorphorchis (hot), a "Mother and Daughter" croton (lukewarm), and a big-leaf Anthurium (Jos: smitten; Tanya: stank face). Then Rate That Weird Plant takes on a frilly snake gourd flower, a "grandma's dentures" Bulbophyllum, and Gastrodia agnicellus — officially the ugliest orchid on Earth — with the segment descending exactly where longtime listeners know it always does.Find Derek: @thechocolatebotanist on Instagram. He also co-hosts The Dirt on Gardening (live Tuesdays, 7pm ET).CONNECTSubstack: ⁠propculture.substack.comInstagram: ⁠⁠⁠instagram.com/prop.culture.podcastWebsite: ⁠hortikult.com/podcastConnect with us: ⁠[email protected]