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Yeah, thanks for tuning in. Yeah, no, so we didn't get like an announcer. This podcast and suddenly got way more professional than it. At this point, no.
It's your whole not for that. That ship has failed. It can exist at this quality or it cannot exist at all. Those are the only two options folks.
Okay, so I did have an update I wanted to talk about. Of course I didn't pull it up before we started talking. But as our longtime listeners may remember, Unsolved Mysteries in Lord's France, which has a healing water, a grotto of healing water. It's not holy water, we've been over this.
It's healing water. We got little vials of them and microwaved them and drank them on the podcast. It didn't heal me, but maybe it's time release. Maybe I've healed in a couple of years.
They have kind of buried this already. Okay, what I wanted to talk about was that at Easter time, it turned out that people had paid funeral home to put some dead bodies in there in the hopes that they would rise from the dead. Honestly, I saw that story when it came out and I'm googling it now and did they fucking bury that already? Now I'm like, am I crazy?
No, it was a while ago because it was Easter time, but it didn't happen. It's like Lord's France, Easter, 2004. And it's like, it's a beautiful here day here at Lord's. And it's like, what are the dead bodies though?
Okay, anyway, someone thought that if the corpses of their loved ones were in the healing water specifically at Easter, that it would make them come back from the dead. And grief does so many things to us all. I just see logic there. I guess Easter is when Jesus rose from the dead.
Right. So why not? Why not? They're not Jesus though.
I just never met. I didn't say there were no holes in the theory. I just feel really bad for whoever discovered the body is just floating there. That must have been.
Oh my God. Can you imagine? Kind of no, but this. It's a beautiful morning here at Lord's.
Lord's privilege convinced people from all over the world. Uh huh. What about corpses? I'm going to add that to my search.
So obviously I'm getting this information from the Instagram account, Talk Death Daily, which is where all good news comes from. And it says, French funeral home under investigation after bodies found at famous Our Lady of Lord Shrine in Resurrection scam. A funeral home in Lord's Francis under investigation after three bodies were found inside the famous Catholic shrine and pilgrimage night. Yesterday, the early morning visitors to the shrine come complaint of an unusual smell.
Oh, the whole the whole site police were called to the scene when the church staff uncovered three bodies in the grotto area, which is like where the water is. According to the investigators, local funeral home. Okay. We don't want me to try to pronounce French.
So let's just leave the name of that out is responsible for sneaking the bodies into the site. The request of the families who hoped the shrine would produce a miraculous Easter resurrection. According to an anonymous source of resurrection services have been secretly offered on Easter by funeral establishments in many parts of Europe. That is wild to me.
I can kind of do this more than once. They must usually be better at retrieving the bodies when it don't work because they just left them in there for people to find. But okay. What is the scam is wild to me.
I just don't understand. What do you think is going to happen? Like do you make them sign a waiver that's like, look, if this doesn't work, you're, there's a non-refundable deposit. Like how does this work?
Okay. Even was it St. Catherine who was shown the water? Even she wasn't cured.
You know, like you're probably not going to get cured. So I think they just have to, you say, you know, that's up to God. It's up to God whether or not this works. This is not the first time bodies have been found on such a holy site on Easter weekend in 1998.
Two visitors kneeling in silent prayer in the sanctuary of Fatma, which we've also talked about, which is a Catholic, Christian, Hillary, and state in Portugal. We're discovered to have recently deceased bodies of two Spanish nationals. Okay. So you go to one of these sites on Easter.
There's a not zero chance there's a dead body. Yes. Just some people. Obviously the people who work at Lawrence were like, this is gross.
No, thank you. The funeral home faces fines and possible license seizure at a time of writing. Possible license. Seesure possible.
It's not guaranteed. Okay. Well, you know what? And it's time of writing.
None of the three bodies ever turns to life. Okay. Great. I just.
It is unsolved. It is. It is an unsolved mystery. Could those bodies have come back if they were in there?
They're a little bit, they're a little bit longer. Just a little bit longer. Well, sadly, we'll never know. I want your loved ones to come back, but it's really not okay to just make other...
You cannot subject other people to the dead bodies of your loved ones. Sorry. I'm so sorry about it. There's something about the fact that they're probably like floating in there.
It's worse to me. Like they're like, just, like, you, for a second, you're going to take someone like drowned. This is why we microwave that water before we drink it. Oh my God.
Good fucking point. People would put dead bodies in that water. Now it is a spring. So like, fresh water's coming up all the time, but still, still.
Ew. There is a, I forgot what the name of it is, but there is a sister church, I think in Saint Paul, so lords, and they make meat pies like two weekends a month, and I keep being like, we need to get one of these lords meat pies. Absolutely. That's what that'll be what cures me.
Yeah, anyway, we just had to talk about possible zombie resurrection that are beloved lords. I'm going one day. I don't know, it's just enchanted me. That body's an all.
Yeah, I wanna see it. It seems so interesting. Maybe if you get the water directly, like, it's fresh, right? Do you think it's more potent if it's fresher?
I have to assume. It's right from the earth, you know. Cause it took us a while, it had to be shipped here, it took us a while to record, like it was aged at that point. And I feel like it probably loses some of its strength.
Applause soon, how's with the microwave dead? No, it was with the microwave dead. Yeah, interesting, interesting. I wonder if it's like very mineral rich.
Like maybe there's a lot of good minerals in the ground right there. I have to assume. That's part of its healing powers, you know? Probably.
So I have an update. Okay, which most people have probably seen at this point, as you know, we talked about the before, the new episodes of the reboot have been announced. Well, there was a trailer released. And if you watch that trailer, it is very apparent that one of the mysteries in the next round of reboot episodes is the fucking Mothman.
Let's go. Mothman. This is not a drill. This is happening.
He is part of it. He is part of it. Yeah, it's like some of the newer sightings from a few years ago in Chicago. I'm very bummed to talk about this.
It's gonna be great. So you do have to subscribe to our Patreon if you want to hear our coverage of those. And I'm thinking they'll probably have those starting in September. Yeah, because they come out to, no August, because they come out to very enjoy.
August. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mothman. Mothman.
It's always a joy to teach someone who has never, who's not really familiar with the Mothman lore. Like, you know, we are gonna be like, oh, let me tell you. He's an interdimensional being, comes in the night with glowing red eyes to warn you about infrastructure. And lots of people believe he's real, including myself.
So I'm glad this will help get to word out that Mothman is 100% real. And he's very concerned about our bridges. And so am I, we all should be. Do you think the booty will be my job?
No, my job. Do you think we'll see the statue? I, you know what? They probably will include a thought of the statue because it's just like so beloved and well-known at this point.
Right. Even though the statue has like nothing to do with, I win this account, I just want to say clear. I feel like a sculptor heard Mothman and he just like went in his own booty licious direction. I don't think that was his own vision.
I don't think what people described is almost like a giant bird, not a really buff guy with wings and a terrifying face. That's not what people said. I hate the chest hair situation. Oh, god.
The texture of it is so vital. People who have gone and seen the sculpture in person, did you find that gross? Let me know. Or were you like, no, no, in person, it all works.
In person, it works for me. I was standing in awe. Yeah, I couldn't wait to put a penny between those butt cheeks or whatever the fuck people do. I'm just gonna see the statue for the front in the episode, but we'll see.
We'll see. Yeah. Yeah. We might get some drone shots.
I don't know. Can Netflix resist a drone shot at any time? We might get an overhead view of the statue. Yeah.
Or maybe just like all of Point Pleasant and then they zoom in on the statue or something. See, we should be creative directors on this show. How come this podcast has led me to nothing? Hire me for something?
Come on, Jesus. We were once sponsored by a now defunct app. That's true. I'd really appreciate it if you're still listening.
Thank you. It was very validating. I love that Point Pleasant has just like full-on means into this because like, why else was anyone gonna go there? You know?
They're a crypto town now. Yeah. And that's great. I wish that the piece of Bray Road was getting a similar treatment because that's very close to us, but I don't think that they've really like relished that people think they have a werewolf.
I don't know why. I'll never have to go there. Just tell people it's bears with mange. Yeah.
You can never go there and just solve the mystery for them. Well, then they won't like it because they need to solve like coffee cops and whatever. But no, that's true. I recently went with friend of the pot, Heather, shout out to Heather to Houston, Minnesota to visit the International Owl Center.
Uh, it's just, you know, that town, Houston, Minnesota, that turns out is a town of maybe you're there. Let me know if you live in Houston, Minnesota, right in, perhaps it's your podcast, you might not come. It is a population of 997, I believe. How many of them work at the International Owl Center?
A couple, you know. And it's clearly, OK, so we say International Owl Center. That first word, international, very ballsy. I don't know.
I guess you can just call your place anything. Because it's really the local owl room. It is pretty much a room. That doesn't even live their full time.
They don't have room for like full owl habitat. So they like commute. That's like their day job is sitting on purchase of the owl sanctuary. The talk we listened to, very good, very informative.
Those people know a ton about owls. But that place is still just a room. But the way that whole town has really leaned into like, our thing is owls is amazing. Like they have like an owl festival in March.
We miss every meal go next year. Heather really wants to go. So at some point, I will be at the International Owl Festival drinking my, I don't know, owl tea and eating an owl shape pancake. Like they host this children's art contest every year.
And they get submissions, like thousands of, I have no idea how they get so many. They get thousands and thousands of submissions sent from children all over the world. And then those like little, you know, there's like towns will have little banners on their sign posts or light posts about like, yeah. So all of them is like children's artwork of owls.
Amazing. This is what the international part is. The children. Yeah, it's just children sending in watercolors of owls.
And they get so many that they're like, please take some, which is so weird. This is hilarious. I mean, they would just be giving out children. They're like, they're like, we literally have thousands.
Please take some children's pictures of owls, but some of them honestly, so good, but very, very weird. Anyway, if, yeah, I just, I like the idea of like each town picking like its own weird little thing, you know, like you could have a Mothman, you could have, I would love a Beast of Ray Road situation. We could be claiming that there is a Lake Monster and Lake of Comas, I don't know. We could.
We could, why not? Okay. So I guess we should probably talk about it on some mysteries now. We don't have any snacks today.
So we are on season eight, episode 17. And since that's an odd number, I go first. And that's the first one is so sad. Okay, this is a wanted, I have fucking 12 pages of notes today, so buckle up everybody.
So thank you to everyone who works on on Love and She's Wicked. Anyway, so my first case is a wanted, it is a story of 21 year old Angela Marie Merr, I think that's actually not her real name for some reason, whatever. We're open to close in the family in Scottsdale, Arizona on July 29th, 1990, Horr. She was home from college to celebrate her mother's birthday.
It's 10 p.m. She left to go pick up a friend who needed to ride. Around the same time, 31 year old Gloria Scholz, fucking dirtbag, was leaving a local bar in her van. Okay, this is how Robert Stack raised this.
I don't think it's the most sensitive language. Moments later, the past of these two strangers would collide. Ooh, I don't like it. I know, it's kind of a good collide.
Literally collide. So as Angela drove along Scottsdale road to pick up her friend, Scholz was driving down the same road in the opposite direction. She's drunk, she drifted over the center line, Angela Harxler horn, but Scholz was just like, whoo, whoo, whoo. And slams into Angela's car before she can get out of the way and just like drove over it.
Does Lea Nachman for your list? Listen, how much fun do they have with this re-enactment? Yeah, that's true. It's a good one.
Because it seems like not only did she hit her car, she just like somehow tried to keep going. Like she never put on the brakes. I think she was just kept accelerating. Even after she ever knew she hit someone.
Yeah, yeah. That's how dr. The collision occurred just five minutes from Angela's home, which is how that works, but it also sucks. So shortly before 1am, Angela's mother, Rose Marie, was informed by police officers that Angela had been in accident.
No, she was not OK. Unfortunately, Angela had not been wearing her seatbelt, which was part of the issue. She suffered massive blunt force drama to her head. By the time the paramedics were able to cut her out of the car because I was so smashed and mangled, it was too late.
And she was pronounced out of the scene. As is often the case in these things, she'll survive. Although she has sustained a broken jaw, she was loosing enough to be questioned at the scene. Paramedics noticed that she had watery bloodshot eyes and a strong smell of liquor on her.
When they asked her if she had had had anything to drink, she said, yeah, obviously too much. OK, well. Yeah. She later told doctors that she had between four and five years.
That's probably not true. Tests revealed that she had, oh no, the doubles we eat in her system. But also blood alcohol content of 0.15, which is well above the legal limit for driving in Arizona. However, she was not initially arrested because she was in the hospital.
And I feel like in 94, we were kind of just starting to take drunk diving seriously, which is a weird thing to say, but also true. Because Robert Stack and Florence does that, Angela had become one of more than 16,000 Americans killed in alcohol-related accidents in 1994. 16,000 in one in her? Yes.
Jesus Christ. Yes. Because at this point, it has not been that long, but they have even made having an open container in your car illegal. Something that Wisconsin fought so hard that the federal government had to go, if you don't not make that illegal and enforce that, you will no longer get any highway money.
They were so determined. Of course. They were so determined that drinking while driving was just a way of life. I could not be stopped.
Anyway, yeah, 16,000 people in one year. That's what a serious problem it was. This is extra cruel and ironic because Angela actually had been a very active crusader against drinking and driving, when she was a- Oh, I mean, that's tragic no matter what. But this is this tragic irony is you can't even make this up.
Yeah, she's such a kind of surprise they didn't take this accident a little more seriously, just because she's such a sympathetic victim. You could not ask for a more poster child of sympathy for this. Because she was, anyway, in high school, a close friend of hers was killed by a drunk driver. So she helped establish a chapter of students against her drunk driving at her school.
She organized foreign razors and presentations. She also was very frequently people's designated driver. And in fact, that's what she was doing that night. Like she was going to pick up her friend because her friend called her from the bar and was like, oh, I could actually need a sober right home.
And that's something that she very regularly did for people because she wanted to get where they were going safely and not hurt anyone. So she's literally driving as a disability driver to get hit by some other drunk. OK, it's so cruel. I can't even comprehend it.
So on August 8, 1994, she was finally arrested. However, she was almost immediately released on her own reconnaissance. She never spun a day in jail and incredibly was allowed to keep her driver's license. Because she had no prior criminal or record, the prosecutors thought there was no reason to put her behind bars or take her license.
That's what's wild to me. Like, yeah. That was the right reason. OK, she should not be crying.
The whole reason? Except the person she did kill. So she did kill someone. We know that.
She literally killed someone. And there's really not any, I mean, you have to have a trial about her. But there's really no one. She's literally going, eh, I drank too much.
Like, just take her license away. Oh my god. Four and a half week after the accident, she was arranged on a list of manslaughter and reckless endangerment. She was represented by a prominent attorney who had a lot of experience attending drug driving cases.
At the hearing, Angela's mom made a statement to the court, pleading with a judge to not let Schultz be released and to have her hella until trial. But that was not how it worked out. She was released without being required to postpone. The judge did stipulate the Schultz submit to drug testing three times a week.
And reports the court by phone once a week. Except the drug use is not the problem. The drug testing isn't going to do anything about her training. She's always a license.
It's not going to do anything about her drug driving. In the beginning of the month's of frustration, this was the beginning of month's frustration for the family. The Schultz attorney would seek and receive six trial postponements, which is kind of a lot. The prosecutor and judge originally got reassigned.
She was allowed to leave the state multiple times, despite the family's objections. Finally, more than a year after Angela's death, Schultz was offered a plea agreement. If she waved her right to trial and pled guilty to reckless endangerment and manslaughter charges, she could serve a reduced sentence. The pretile hearing was scheduled for September.
And we just hear from the mom be like being in the courtroom, waiting, and realizing, no, just like you thought she would, she skipped town. So they have to come over and tell the mom, oh, guess what? We let the person that killed your daughter just leave. She had actually missed her last six drug test dates.
OK, we're doing nothing about it. Yeah, no one had told the prosecutors, apparently. Whoever she was supposed to be reporting to you like that information never got passed on. The last time she had called into court was either at August or the beginning of September.
However, she could have literally called from anywhere. So that doesn't really help. It's just a phone call. Anyway, the family felt like they were very deeply affected by this.
And it helped to interfere with their grieving process. And we hear just like how great Angela was and how friendly she was and however she liked her. And she had her whole life out of her, obviously. And it was just like very passionate, hopeful person that was an asset to the community.
And at the time of her death, Angela was a senior in Crecton. I probably said that wrong. University in Omaha, Nebraska. So then in May, in what Robert Stec called an unprecedented display of respect, Angela was granted a diploma, possibly, and her mother accepted it on her behalf.
What did you have? Her mom. I almost started crying. I just cried.
And the standing ovation, I legitimately started crying. It was so sweet. I do think that that's pretty unusual that if a student dies, they're still given their degree. I'm not sure I've heard of that in any other case.
So obviously, she was a very good student and very well regarded at the school. And you had to get a standing ovation. I think a lot of the professors and students knew her. Yeah, of course.
Yeah. And she probably helped a bunch of them. And then imagine if someone you call when you get drunk and gives you a ride, and then they end up getting killed by a drunk trepper. Well, just that person that you can count on to drop everything in the middle of the night to come pick you up.
Yeah. Like, that is the nicest person you know. And to have something that's happened to them, I mean, it's horrible to matter who it happens to. But like, it just really, it just is.
I mean, there's a reason on all mysteries is profiling this case is because it's like, what the fuck? Like, this is so bad. At the time of the segment, she'll have been seen September 1995. She was still wanted on manslaughter charges.
There was some speculation that her parents helped her escape because, I mean, I guess that's not really a surprise, two weeks after she vanished, two cars that were registered to her and left her parents' house were sold. And then a month later, they also sold their house. Also, they probably don't want to live in a place where everybody's like, hey, your daughter committed manslaughter in ran away. So right now there wasn't an update on the episode.
So I needed to tell me that you read on some mysteries wiki and this woman has got it. So it's not that satisfying. Okay. Okay.
In fact, we do get a Minnesota mentioned. She was believed she was living in Minneapolis for a while in the late 90s. But she apparently moved away before she could be caught. I don't know.
In April, 2001, she was tried in absentia and convicted of vehicular manslaughter and endagement. And since then, there have been tips placing her with her family in California and even Turkey. Okay. Sadly, in September 26, 2021, Rosemarie, which is Angela's mom passed away.
Literally this year, in May of this year, the police learned that she'll have been living in Canada, under the name Kate Dewey. Law and Fortuna officials in Canada found a DUI arrest for that name. They should have just been searching everywhere from DUI records. And that's how they figured out was her because of the fingerprints.
This woman didn't even learn her lesson. Of course not. I think they could think of her. They just know where she is.
No, she died of cancer. She'd already died of cancer. Okay. The face crisis now officially closed.
That's not a title. No, I know. I mean, I guess maybe she spent her entire life looking over her shoulder and drinking for yourself, but she probably just drank and drive all the time. I hate it.
A dirt bag. Okay. Okay. But I love your next mystery and I'm so jealous you got it.
We're going to talk about the Neskalimes. I this just has like such 90s new age bookshop bullshit vibes and I was very into. I was like, let's just watch this and blast pure moods. Let's go to like the asotyric section of borders where like the UFO books are and shit.
Let's just flip through a bunch of bullshit. Like I love this segment. I love the Neskalimes. I think.
Yeah. It's the whole thing is a vibe and I really enjoyed the segment. So Robert's also Robert's like, I don't know where he is, but he's like on location. He's in the trench coat.
There's a desert behind him. He's talking about enormous monkeys. It's really incredible. Yes.
Yes. Yes. I love this segment. I love everything about it.
So we're told in South America, monumental drawings have been etched into the desert plain. They were created or were they created to call them angry gods to map out the heavens or perhaps to welcome visitors from another galaxy. Do you think our people just got really bored and wanted to make a giant monkey? Because I respect that.
Maybe they don't mention it as a possibility, but I think we can't rule it out. So Robert's ex is welcome to the Neskaletto, a hundred square miles of unanswered questions in Western Peru. That's a very poetic phrase. Incredible.
The whole thing. Like you said, it's a vibe. It's amazing. The corner of the plateau is a drawing of a spider.
It's formed by a single line that starts and ends in the same place. Okay. If you're not familiar with the Neskalines, they are humongous drawings that are drawn and like etched into the ground. And if you're on the ground, you're probably just going to see, you might even know what you're seeing, like just like pathways.
But if you get up high, if you fly over them, if you go to Peru, they do Neskaline tours where you get into a little plane or a helicopter and you fly over them because from above, you can see the shapes. So there's shapes of a spider. Well, you're about enormous monkeys. Some of them are just like criss-crossing lines.
But you can't tell they are from the ground. You have to get up high to see them. And so, and they were made, we were going to hear about it thousands of years ago. So it's really incredible.
And no one, I don't really know what purpose they served. Obviously, there's a lot of theories, paranormal theories, and I'm so sorry, I just got the hiccups. I'm going to do my best. I'm going to do my best.
There's a lot of theories, paranormal theories. There's a lot of like ancient aliens type theories. And so mysteries kind of their toes in this episode. Google, and ask a line if you want to see them.
It's incredible. So what purpose? Do they serve? Is what I was going to ask us.
He says there's a monkey he mentioned earlier. It's formed by a single line that starts and ends in the same place. But for what purpose? We don't know.
Another drawing is about gigantic monkey that could fill two football fields. Yes, because everything is measured in football fields. Also, can we talk about the drawing of this monkey? Like, why is the monkey so thin?
It's very thin. It's tail is like a super long squiggly line. I don't know. There's just the artistic vision of the makers.
I was like, I don't know. I'm a monkey. It's also like holding something in its hand almost like a group. Maybe?
I don't know. Very interesting. More than 800 straight lines shoot across the plateau. Late end to end, they told about 1,000 miles.
Evidence suggests that ancient nascals, famous for their ceramic art, inscribed the giant drawings between 1,500 and 2,500 years ago. However, the nascals left little behind that tells us the meaning of the figures or reveals how they were made. Nearly 1,000 lines geometric shapes and figures are tattooed across the nascal plateau. When they are mapped in catalogs, the images form an astounding body of work.
In the late 1960s, an author by the name of Eric von Danneken proposed an interesting theory to explain the drawings. He claimed that some other markings were nothing less than gigantic landing strips for ancient spacecraft. I mean, why not? Should we come up with the craziest?
We don't technically know what it is. So why not say? This is how UFOs know where to park. Yeah, I mean, it's fun.
That's fun. In his book, Chariots of the Gods, he suggests that the ancient nascals are the most famous figures, regarded the aliens as gods and had constructed the runways under their direct orders. That's the chariot of the gods book. That's an old school UFO conspiracy book that I, you know, just the nutcases that that book has bred.
Oh my god, the first thing I thought of. Yeah. Mm hmm. I see that book at, like, used bookstores to rest doors all the time, by the way, if you're looking for a copy, it's out there.
Not chik-a-woo. Yeah, exactly. However, Dr. Joan Reinhart of the Field Museum and the Mountain Institute disagreed with Von Danneken's theory.
I think the field of the mountain Institute. I don't know. Is that even a mountain? I guess.
Yeah, I guess someone has to. So Dr. Reinhart says that scientists don't typically entertain theories of extraterrestrials because they require evidence before they're able to reach in any direction. So Dr.
Reinhart, the web blanket is here to tell us there's no actual evidence that extraterrestrials had anything to do with the nascals. No, but there's no evidence proving that they didn't. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Exactly. So Dr. Reinhart, with your degree, Dr. Reinhart and other scientists believe that the plateau is an immense outdoor cathedral, but that theory still doesn't answer how the drawings were created.
I think, okay, much like the crop circles were made by hedgehogs, right? Mm-hmm. Do you think I see where you're going? I see where you're going?
Do you think this could have been made by Bigfoots? Yeah. Because it's so much bigger. See?
This is incredible. Prove it wasn't. Prove it wasn't made by Bigfoots. I'm many big feet.
It's like dashing in a pattern of a monkey or spider. Exactly. Prove it. We broke the case wide open.
So in 1982, archaeologists tried to figure out how the nascals made their lines. They decided to attempt to replicate the whole process using the simplest of tools. Dr. Anthony F.
Avani, a professor at Colgate University, was among the group of archaeologists and his honest home histories, and says that basically they grabbed broomsticks and some string from a little hole they were staying at. They didn't even come to Peru prepared for their experiment. They were the one who signed some sticks and some string and we got there. Yeah, they stole brooms from the...
He says brooms literally just took a bunch of brooms from the hotel. What I thought might have needed that was clean up. I just thought that was so funny. It was hilarious.
It's like when you're at the free breakfast buffet and you're just talking a bunch of rolls and oranges or later. He was like, can I just have some brooms? Yeah. It's like taking the little soaps.
He's taking the little jampoos. Look at the brooms. We're going to make some nascals lines. Yeah, they just grabbed some brooms.
So he says that it took a group of 12 people one morning to make a line about 20 yards long and two yards wide. They cleared it completely and they said that when they were done they had exactly a nascals line. It looked exactly like the nascal lines. Now is this a spruve?
That's how they were made? I don't know. I feel like you probably could accomplish it multiple ways. It's just cutting a groove in the ground basically.
But the way they did it was not unlike the way people make craps or clothes. So I found that interesting. So Dr. Aveni says their lines look similar to other figures.
But how did the nascals artistically accurately... Oh my gosh, I cannot speak. But how did the nasca artists accurately model the gargantuan figures? The sprawling monkey while looking at them from only ground level.
This is my favorite part. It's called planning ahead, Robert Stack. I have two favorite parts. My first favorite part is Robert Stack looking into the camera and very seriously asking, how would you make an enormous monkey?
He said, so funny. Yeah, so good. Robert Stack saying the word enormous monkey is very funny to me. And he says it's so serious.
Oh yeah, he says everything serious. It's so funny to me. I took a picture of my TV at this point because it's so funny to me. The question is asked, how did they enjoy the nasca lines?
How did they see it? How did they plan it if they were not able to fly? We hear that Jim Woodman, a British author and explorer, argued that maybe they did fly. I love this.
I love this because I feel like it's... And maybe I'm wrong. But I feel like this is the opposite of so much ancient aliens talk. Yes, I was going to say that.
Yeah, where it's like, well, there's no way people in Peru could have figured out how to have a hot air balloon. And this guy was like, oh really? Because look, I just told people here, what have you only had these things to work with? Make a hot air balloon and they do.
They fucking do. Woodman hired a Peruvian craftsman to stitch together a hot air balloon from materials that would have been available to the ancient nascals. A raging campfire provided the requisite hot air. And we're told that perhaps for the first time in centuries, the figures were seen from a hot air balloon hundreds of feet above the desert.
We're along for the ride. It's amazing. Yeah, the footage on this is so cool. I love that they just didn't assume that couldn't be true.
Because there's no reason why the person... Why not? We think invented the hot air balloon. There's no reason why someone else did it come up with it first or whatever.
I fucking love it. It's so cool. Now I want to kind of go in a hot air balloon over this. I think that would be amazing.
I think it would be incredible. And you can think about how maybe you're seeing it the way that they intended you to see it. I suppose that they were creating these figures for the gods. And so they didn't need to see them.
But you could also say, well maybe they didn't want to see them for above. I mean they didn't think about air balloon. And they could have because we did it. I mean there's a whole movement in Western art of making things in the earth that can be seen from above with working with tidal pools or working with umbrellas or whatever.
Like using the natural landscape to make patterns and things that you can't appreciate on the ground. And I don't see why that sort of artistic impulse would only be white people in the past hundred years. Why couldn't people thousands of years ago have been like, I want to make something really bitches like a giant spider. Why not?
Why not? Yeah, I love it. I love this mystery. It was fantastic.
I loved the anti-ancient aliens ending. I know everything about this segment is great. It makes me want to buy a cassette of rainforest noises and play with a rain stick. I just the vibes are immaculate.
Okay, this is my personal theory. I can't say I know a lot about the subject. I think the lines are meant to be walked like a labyrinth. And it's like a meditative thing.
I love that. Particularly since I guess I'm mostly thinking about the spider, but since it stops and starts in the same place, like you would end up wherever you start. So this is where we'll also end. And that's the exact same logic as walking as a labyrinth.
No, it makes a complete sense. And the other thing about the Nazca lines is that they're always a continuous line. They don't, if they're making a human or whatever, the head is not separate from the body. The whole design is connected in a continuous line.
See, that's perfect for walking. Yeah. That's my personal theory. Okay, now I have another segment to talk about.
This is the parent. There's a lot of information with this. So this is the case of Charlotte Paulus. She was 28 years old.
She was married to her 27 year old husband, Paul, who is probably a dirtbag in Gerard, Ohio, with her two children, Layla and Aiden. She grew up in a very large, close family and was the oldest of six children. So her family was like very concerned and very involved in her disappearance. She was described as a loving caring person who liked to bake at two crafts.
Like she was just really into being a mom and she was very close with her family and she talked to them all the time. So on Saturday, March 12th, also 1994, rough year, she vanished from her house. At first, Paul seemed to be the typical concerned husband, searching for his missing wife. The family is now convinced that he may have had something to do with her disappearance.
And you know, allegedly, I agree with that. Oh, shoot. Okay, there we go. Charlotte's mother, confusingly also named Charlotte, thinks that Paul got into a fit of rage over something.
She thinks that he got angry and struck Charlotte. This doesn't strike anyone as like a planned, you know, premeditated murder. This seems like, you know, whatever. And Paul is, you know, as we have told you not to do, talking to on some mysteries, trying to clean up his name.
He doesn't come across very great. He's like, he maintains that he doesn't do anything wrong, but he can't change what other people think about him. Does he seem really sad? His wife is dead?
No, not particularly. He does have a mustache. I named it not a vibe because it's like, not only is this guy kind of creepy and possibly murder, but it's just like, it's just not a good mouth. That's just light and patchy.
And he could have done without this mustache. He could have done better in every single way. Okay. According to staff, there were only two possibilities.
One, Paul is totally innocent. He's a bereaved husband. He's been wrongly accused. It's made the situation even worse.
Two, he's gotten away with murder. So the police have not been able to say which because they cannot even prove that a crime was committed. When we get into this, the police pungled this case. They watched the case on cops and went, great idea.
Let's just be literal clowns. God damn, it's so sad. The only thing everyone can agree on is that the day before Charlotte disappeared, she came down sick. She was dizzy.
She was in pain. She, Paul's parents looked out for the children while they went to the emergency room and it turned out she had a mirror on function. She was in medicine at home. She was also given a prescription that needed to be filled.
I kind of wonder about that later. So Charlotte and Paul return to home as parents left. She phones her mother. That's the last moment we know for sure that she was alive.
She gets home from the hospital. She goes to bed and calls her mom to be like, I have an ear infection. I'm going to get medicine. She says that she said to her mother, I'll talk to you in the morning.
That conversation ended at 1.25 AM and Charlotte went to bed. That's the last time anyone other than Paul spoke to her. We can't really take Paul's word for it. Charlotte's mother says that this is wild to me.
She talked to her mom on the phone between 10 and 14 times a day. The thing is, you used to talk on the phone so much more. This is true. I think most of these phone calls are pretty sure and now would be texts where she's just like, I'm home from the hospital.
I'm alive. Don't worry. I don't know if they were that involved. But just to hear 10 to 14 times, I was like, oh my God.
Anyway, that's the same way when she disappears and they're like, well, there's no body, there's no evidence that she's dead. She's talking about 14 times a day. And now she's talking about 14 times a day. What do you think happened to her?
Nobody who talks to her mom 14 times a day just going to up and leave and not bring literally her purse or any belong. You know, like, is that the type of person who just pieces out? No, no, no. Oh, God.
Okay. So then Saturday morning, her mom calls the house to check on Charlotte. I'm trying to say you just talked to her at 1 30 in the morning. You call before you know she's sick.
She's gone to bed with an ear infection. She calls me. This is the relationship that they have. But like, I just thinking about it.
And I love my mom. We have a great relationship, but I would be like, leave me the fuck alone. I would be, I'd be like, and the doctors that I need to sleep. So what are you doing calling me?
Like it is before 9 a.m. It is. Yeah. Let the woman have her not even eight hours of sleep.
She's sick. Anyway, so she calls to Charlotte. Paul answers the phone and he says that Charlotte was doing a little bit better, but she was still in bed. And the mom's like, why is she still sleeping?
Girl, let her sleep. That is not really the first time there's a problem. Paul is like, yeah, she's sick. And her mom's like, okay, well, help her call me whenever she gets up.