S1: E3 Mr. Mayhem

Welcome to the third episode of the Daily Mayhem hosted by Jack Package. We're glad you've joined us tonight. We've got an exciting show in store. In episode one, we introduced you to the Myrtle Mayhem, the history behind the tournament.

In episode two, we met the captains of this year's squads and we learned about the players. Tonight, we're going to dive a little bit deeper into Myrtle Mayhem. Before we get started, I'd like to reach out and share some feedback from some of the listeners. I appreciate everybody who has reached out.

Remember, you can follow the show and contact us on Twitter at the Daily Mayhem one. And you can follow me, your host, Jack Package, at JMU Monty on Twitter. Our first note comes from Walter, who said, I've wanted a trip like this for years with my friends. Why are your friends so much cooler than mine?

Well, we're not cooler, but we do have a Julie. Our crew's director, Dave Dwyer, he's the one that handles this thing. Get yourself a Julie. Next, we received a note from Tony, who says, I've grown up with Spider-Man as my hero.

Spidey's been surpassed by Jack Package. Well, thanks a lot, Tony. I'm great and all, but I can't shoot webs for my wrists, so stick with Spidey. I will send you some swag for my podcast, though.

Lastly, we've got a note from Lane Meyer on Twitter that says, I want my $2. Well, Lane, my mom had to leave early to take my brother to school. I don't have a dime, but stay high to everybody at 10-1 for me. Thanks to everybody for the emails and notes on Twitter.

Keep them coming. You may just hear your own name called one day over to Interweb. She just never know. Onto my guest.

I'm so excited to have this person on the show. He's one of the co-founders of Myrtle. He's an OG. He's the man behind Mr.

Mayhem, the Twitter account. Alan Evans. Alan, my good friend. Welcome to the show, sir.

My pudgy. How are you, sir? I just wanted to start it. I want to thank you for making me the first ever guest on your podcast.

That's a privilege to end an honor. Who else would I have invited to the very first episode? I really appreciate your period. Let's not fuck this up.

Maybe we can do a second one. It's great to have you. You are what we've come to know as an OG, and you are quite literally one of my OG's. We go all the way back to elementary school.

I think Mr. Rinker and Miss Brown's fifth grade class somewhere in there. But you've been connected to Myrtle since the beginning. Tell us your connection to Myrtle.

I was one of the first eight. We started doing this every year beginning in 2006. As we look back on it 16 years down the road, it's really a wonder we were ever allowed to do it from the beginning. And then once we did and got a taste, it's something that we kept doing every year.

We have to go again. We did last year. It's a tradition now. So we've kept it up.

Even during COVID, we went somewhere in the fall. So yes, this will be the 17th Myrtle Mayhem. This is number 17. Okay.

Yeah. And I would say if Mayhem were like an Oreo cookie, Dave and I are probably the fluff in the middle. We're both, you know, pasty white, but delicious. I agree.

But we kind of served as the matchmakers, I guess, to pull together this group of guys from different parts of our lives over the years. You know, me, you, Aaron, Danny Rush, we all went to the school together. David Rick went to high school together. I went to college with Mike.

And then there's some guys that we worked with. Dave worked with St. Danny worked with Brian Reed. Ken and I worked together.

And then there's charter colony guys that we met in the neighborhood down here, Tim and C.E. to Mark. So it's just a really good group of guys that we've got together now. It's grown over the years, but happy to be one of the OG's.

Yeah. And you know, I think some of the podcast listeners may know that Dave was, you know, sort of the founder of this thing, but I feel like the Myrtle Mayhem event and everything that's tied around it, it's a two man nucleus kind of at the center of this thing that everybody sort of spider webs off of. And you know, you guys are the ones that glue that kind of holds it together. So I do agree with that.

So, you know, I know that this event is about fun and drinking and you know reconnecting with some friends and all, but there is some golf that's played. And we do, even though we're all pretty poor at golf. We do take it pretty serious, your performance over the last few years at Myrtle has just been incredible. Would you attribute that more to the diminishing skills of us other old guys?

Or are you actually getting better at golf? You know, I don't like to use the word hero, John. No, you know, there's an old saying like with your health and with your wealth, the choose the old expression is you choose your parents wisely, right? Obviously you can't.

Same thing holds true with Myrtle. I think you need to choose your partner wisely. You need to choose your opponent wisely. And I think over the last few years, I've gotten lucky more than anything.

Last year I was fortunate enough to play with Chick-Lo and Danora and McCann as my partners, all really good. And they had good days on those days. So who knows? As Rick likes to quote from Goodfellas, everybody takes a beating sometime.

And I'm sure mine has come in this year. So we'll see. Well, I think Alan happens to jack package around the same team this year. So let's make sure that you don't take any beatings.

That doesn't happen the day we pair up. Right. That's exactly right. That's exactly right.

Do you actually know your record over the last three years? I didn't look it up, but I know it's like a shitload of wins and like one time. I don't. I could look it up too.

But yes, I've only lost a couple, I think, and maybe Tide won. I know Mike and I tied Saint and Aaron. So yeah, it's pretty good. If I could last year I was born now.

That's pretty great. Played with good people and beat you a couple of times. I mean, this year, I was terrible. Yeah.

I also, by the way, I think I got COVID on that trip last year. I got COVID on the van ride to the fucking airport before the trip when it's a miracle that I didn't get everybody else in the world sick. I'm going to blame it on COVID for sure. I was awful last year and I felt just diminished.

I just didn't want to tell you guys, which is Alvin seems to read across America. I think I may have been. I'm not going to tell you. I'm sure it will.

And it did after I had some monoclonal antibodies. I've remecked it. But you know, let me ask you this. Why does it seem like you're in better shape now than when we were 16 in high school?

I think that is more relative to everyone else. I don't think I actually am. So you actually wake up in the morning with some aches and pains. I mean, you're not you're not you're not as rightly 18.

You're not that I think I think we're getting older. That's for sure. I think Myrtle takes a toll on us a little more than it used to four days of drinking and golfing. So even four days of just golfing would be tiring.

We don't do that any other time during the year before rounds in a row. And you know, some guys in their 70s go down to Myrtle and they play 36 every single day. And I just don't know how they do that. Then they go out to bars at night.

So maybe we're ramps. But you know, one round a day seems perfect for us because we like to do other things. We want to go to bars. We want to play cornhole.

There used to be a poker plate at this event. There used to be a lot of poker plate at this event. It used to be more of a poker trip probably than it was a golf trip. Thirty six holes.

I would have to play the final 20 from a hospital bed with one arm hanging on the side. So all wedge. Listen, we've been down there. You've been going since the beginning.

Give me like your two fondest favorite memories, funniest memories. I know we laugh a lot down there. Can you think of two? Yeah, there's there's so many that I look back on the lap at like individual moments.

Let me answer this question this way. I think not a specific event, more of a time, each trip that I think is my favorite time. Each time we do a mayhem and that's Saturday evening. So after we play our first round on Saturday, there's Saturday evening.

It's the first night we're all there because some guys came in on Saturday morning. So we're all together for the first time. There's actually blood on the board. We've got something to talk about.

You know, we just played around and yet the rest of mayhem is still in front of us. We have a whole lot of anticipation still. Saturday night is to me, the pinnacle. Sunday, it's like, well, then the thing is half over already and now I start losing it.

But Saturday night is kind of perfect for me. Another favorite for me has been when we've been able to bring other guys into this event over the years and being able to see this event through their eyes and seeing it fresh. And you might have told them about it and warned them about it. That's good.

You're going to love this or love that. But whether it's a chicklo or a McCarthy or a denorah or even even 2009 when we got Jack package to come for the first time, it's really been cool to kind of see it through fresh eyes again. I think everyone's impressed with how organized it is. Dave runs a tight shift.

He keeps it organized and keeps everything running smoothly. But everybody chips in and plays a role, whether it's making coffee in the morning or cleaning up the house or buying around or doing something stupid that we can all laugh about. It's really exciting. Hundreds of cigars for everybody in the house.

That's right. And then again, from those new people coming down, I think most people are surprised at how serious we take this. I think a lot of people go on golf trips and have fun with their buddies and just slap it around a little and go out at it night and drink. But to us, the competition is pretty serious.

There's no reason for it to be other than we just decided it is and we treat it with that kind of reverence. It's important that we win today. It's important that we win this thing. But certainly no money is on the line, no lives are at stake.

But it's important because we say it's important. Well, probably because there's 17 Twitter accounts that follow this tournament. Now a podcast and it gets talked about for about 365 days a year. Then there's two or three other mid-year events.

We have the Chantilly comments and the Lake of the Woods, whatever you call it. So we've had drafts. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. And I'm going to go ahead and listen. There's two things. Number one, you mentioned early in the beginning about choosing your partners and I'm making a note here, between the two of us.

We haven't talked about this much and I don't want to get into it tonight. Saturday night after that first team has lost the announcing of the team's changes. It changes depending on which team is winning. I do think there is an advantage to that.

We should talk about that maybe in a different podcast. But you're right. That is a really important aspect to it to getting your matchups set right on day two. But at the end of the day, we're talking about this thing.

It's really about this circle of friends and coming together. My question for you is how special is it for you to reconnect with everybody, especially with a certain person, your college roommate, Mike Keller? Mike is the only thing you can say bad about Mike is I wish I could see Mike more often. Right?

Yeah. More of Mike Keller. More Mike. But all he gives us is four or five days a year.

And unfortunately, he didn't give us that the last two years. So we haven't seen Mike since 2019. But I'm really thankful for Mayhem because it has kept me probably more connected with Mike than I would have been otherwise. I might not have seen him in the last 10 years, if it wasn't for Myrtle.

Yeah, no, Mike, since 87, met in our first year of college. He and his roommate, they were kind of saved me from a less than optimal roommate situation that I was in. So I hung out with him all the time. Yeah, Mikey, fun time is just awesome.

He's all about having a good time. He doesn't want to hear about Dave's rules. He just wants to go smackable hard and have fun. As it taking the clubs out of the bag and so we'll have Myrtle.

Probably not. Probably not. He loves the shotgun rule. He loves.

He's also a very competitive guy. You think that Mike is laid back and not athletic or not interested in sports or whatever. You get that dude on the course. He wants to cut the other team's throats.

Maybe not enough to practice and be more prepared when he comes down. But when he does focus and is able to give you four or five days on site, yeah, he's fun to play with. He and I have had a lot of success playing together over the years and we just have a good chemistry. So yeah, he's all about having fun.

I love Mike. Can we cover? What's the funniest thing that Mike Keller has ever said to you? Oh my God.

Can we even go there? I don't know if I could go there. Mike's one of those guys that knows where all the bodies are buried and I deal with him. We'll just leave it.

We'll have to have a conversation when we get to Myrtle this year and ask him in his presence and see what memories we can dredge up. All right. So you hinted at it earlier. We'll move on from Mike.

I want you to dig up any bodies. This other group of guys that sort of like half are kind of like our high school college guys. But then there's this other group, this nebulous, strange group of people that you mentioned earlier, Charter Colony. Tell us what Charter Colony is and where are these guys.

So Charter Colony's subdivision in the Richmond, Virginia area that's relatively new. I guess it was built in the early 2000s. I think our house was built in 2005. It's one of those places where everybody moved in around the same time and that provides an opportunity to meet your new neighbors.

So when I moved down here from Northern Virginia, Dave was kind of connected in with a group of friends and we met some others. But yeah, a lot of them just turned out to be some of our best friends now. The marks and those eaves and the Thames that we've met right here in the neighborhood. The people used to live right down the street.

He's moved out of here now, Tim has moved out of here. But Charter Colony's really kind of been a connective tissue to a lot of the guys, almost half the guys that come to Myrtle. Any truth to the rumor? It's a cult.

You and Rick have a running joke going on. It's white swapping. With theory of lane. That's right.

Yeah. And Charter Colony, how many houses are in this place? Is it like 500,000 homes in this neighborhood? I bet if you combine all the different neighborhoods, it's probably 1,000.

I don't know. It's still growing. Piece of it. I would say from Cremple to McCarthy to Dave to me to Steve, Tim and Mark all are within.

You could draw a quarter mile radius circle and it would have captured everybody. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah.

Interesting. All right. Well, so no rumor that it is a cultable move on from that. It's just the neighborhood.

I can talk about you at least. All right. Well, so it's one of the exciting things. The thing that kind of keeps us the Myrtle mayhem at the forefront year round is just a lot of the smack talking, a lot of the trash talking.

And some of the things that have developed over the years is a few different Twitter accounts, Twitter handles that track the tournament, poke fun at players in the tournament, and just has a good time with the mayhem. And I believe you may be responsible or you may know somebody that's responsible for the Mr. Mayhem Twitter handle. It's at inside the mayhem.

Highly recommend you follow this Twitter account. Describe to me briefly what Mr. Mayhem is and where you got the idea. When Matt, Mr.

Mayhem in 1987, you're in the circus prison together. Back in the odd set. Right. Now, to me, it started, I was trying to remember this earlier today.

It started in 2013 as kind of an anonymous trolling of the other team, which I think you were on that year that was, I believe, Kenny and the Jets. So no one, including me, took credit for what was being pushed out there on Twitter. And it was some negative stuff about the other team. It was some of it was attempting humor.

I don't know. I would go back and look at those and probably cringe now. But we had some folks guessing who it was. Some thought it was Aaron at the time.

It didn't say secret for very long and suddenly it was out before the event happened. But I've continued on the tradition and expanded it to cover the event, cover the people that go, mostly poke fun at the people that go. You yourself have been delicious fodder for it and so good for the Mr. Mayhem brand.

It's an interesting exercise in creativity, I guess. It's, you know, that some people write, some people read, whatever. I tweet and it's a hobby year round where I have to kind of, you know, I have a notes app on my phone and I jot things down when I hear them. Come up with ideas and then I've got, you know, a treasure trove of photos from this event over the years.

So it's just this combination of ideas and material and interesting funny guys. You know, Edison or somebody said one time in order to invent, you need imagination and a big pile of junk, right? So that's kind of how I look at Mr. Mayhem's.

I've got the junk and just, you know, get it time, tinker around and some good stuff will bubble up out of it. So yeah. So speaking of the junk, you're kind of the sort of the unofficial, maybe the official historian of Myrtle, so to speak, right? As far as just the pictures, the photographs, the videos and a lot of the documentation and that who handles the stats?

Is that you or Dave or both or how does that work? Dave keeps the official stats and sends me usually, you know, an Excel file or spread sheet or screenshots to put up on the website. So we do have an official website, MyrtleMatum.com, Bookmark it. Bookmark that anybody can go check that out and see the results previous years.

We've never promoted it. So I think if you Google it, you don't really find it because we didn't want that to happen. Right. But you can go there.

It's public. But yeah, over the years, and I don't think anything like assigned, I was never elected historian. It's just that I took a lot of pictures. It's just the way I am.

I take a lot of pictures in our family. I took a lot of pictures there. And part of it is when the events going on, I don't want it. I don't want to lose the memory, right?

So you want to capture some of it. So I've got video, I've got notes that I put in my app of funny things that have happened or lots and lots of pictures. So yeah, over the years, I've captured some good things on video and photos of funny things that we kind of look back on and the website's been a good place to kind of house all that. So in addition to the golf stuff, we put up funny pictures.

You can link directly to the Twitter accounts from the website. So yeah, the Mr. May himself has been, you know, it gives me pleasure in other people laugh at it or like it or whatever. I'm sure I'm more than sure, you know, I strike out my share of times, but that one time you hit the home run and you have everybody laugh.

And like Steve told me today that today and he was showing his doctors at work. I mean, today's was a moonlight. Today's was a mammoth home run. There's nothing more interesting than describing Photoshop on audio.

That's correct. But I will, if you follow at the Daily Mayhem one on Twitter, I'll repost some of the Mr. Mayhem stuff. Two other questions.

And then I want to talk about some of the Mr. Mayhem work. How often do you release in the tweets? Is it just when it comes to you or is there a time frame and then also is this year round or do you start it up at a certain time?

So I try and start every year. I used to be, I started too early and I would be running out of material. So, so now I push it back and I don't start until I enter the first of the year. And then my rule is also I only tweet, excuse me, Mr.

Mayhem only tweets weekdays. And I usually get it out by eight thirty or nine in the morning. Well, we'll let it out to reveal. That's my cadence that I try and adhere to.

So when you start January 2nd or 3rd, whatever the first work they would be and then go through the event, which is usually mid-March, it works out to the fact I need about 50 tweets a year. Fifty tweets a year. And pop culture, you're so literally when Myrtle ends, if something happens in the news in April, you're making a note of that because you're going to come back and reference that at the end of the year and maybe you can work it in. I've got some, you know, in my notes from previous years that you go back now and it doesn't make any sense because it was a fleeting thing or it was a meme that people were sending around or.

Right. So, yeah, there's a little bit of luck. A couple years, you know, I've looked at and said, okay, I've got maybe ten good ideas. I've got to have 50 before this thing ends.

But you can kind of make the leap of faith and know that some ideas are going to come along in the next few weeks that are going to add to your pile. Or, well, when I look through, you know, Mr. Mayhem's work and I am maybe the number one fan of Mr. Mayhem, I retweet a lot and favor it a lot.

Anything that Mr. Mayhem tweets about Jack Package is my favorite. And believe me, I feel like I've given you a lot of material over time. I mean, I'm in pretty good shape, but there's there's there tend to be some jokes about my weight.

You know, we'll talk about that maybe offline. But to me, Mr. Mayhem's greatest work ever has to be the Beatles album cover parody, Flabby Road, with the with the Jack Package Jumpman fat guy logo. It's a it's an homage to the Air Jordan Jumpman logo, except it's just a, you know, chubby or balding white guy.

It's making the least. I'll retweet that for anybody on the podcast, but talk about how you came up with that one. Because that is my favorite. So yeah, the road one kind of is one of those that I kind of looked into a little bit.

I was exploring the idea of doing something with the Abbey Road famous Abbey Road cover, where of course it's the four Beatles crossing the street. So I've played with kind of iconic pop culture things in the past, whether it's, you know, a movie poster or a painting. They're all open for parody, right? So that one I hadn't done before.

And I started playing with the idea of, okay, well, we got these four guys crossing the street in the original Abbey Road cover. What do I do with that? Do I take four guys from Myrtle and put them on there? What would they be doing?

How is that funny? You know, you got to work that in somehow. So as I'm googling around and looking and trying to get inspired for something, I found this, what I would call like a blank template. So somebody had taken the Abbey Road album cover and either photoshopped really well everybody out of it.

So there was no Beatles crossing the street now, or they went to the same exact site and recreated it somehow and put the Volkswagen in the background. It was exact. Anyway, I had a great starting point. So I grabbed that image and I'm like, okay, I don't need to adhere to their bodies anymore with the clothes they're wearing anymore.

I can do whatever I want here crossing the street. And then when they, the inspiration of using the Jumpman logo came because, as you know, with Michael Jordan and the Jumpman, which is the jump, the package Jumpman is a parody of, he's got his leg spread as he's jumping. It kind of looks like somebody who's walking and taking steps across the street. So I just started playing with that idea.

I'm like, well, easily one of them could be the Jumpman. And then using different color, I just used it as the silhouette and kind of put it across there. And then I'm like, well, that's pretty good. I don't mind that.

The street, the crosswalk. And I'm like, well, what do I do with this now? And how do I tweet it out? What do I say about it?

How is it funny? And then freaking flabby road came into my head. And I'm like, that's all you need, right? That's how she just born.

That's it. Pilot Jump. It is, that one is absolutely fantastic. How long does one of those things take you to do?

It varies. Like I've had some photo shops that took me a long time. Like, one year I did everybody dressed as Western guys. So there was like, everybody was in Western Garb and I had to cut off.

And then it was just a lot of people's heads. And half the people needed hats. And it was just tedious work. So I would say that one took maybe hours, five or ten hours total.

I mean, back to it. Yeah. You're saving it. Yeah.

I'm working on it when I'm on a call or doing something in the evening. But others, if I have a good idea and a good image, half the time I'm doing a photo shop where I want it to look like somebody, like the one today with some, I'll give you a brief explanation of today. It's the Michael Jordan Flu game. And in the original picture, again, kind of iconic pop culture photo, it's Michael Jordan being helped off by what's his name?

Scotty Pippen. Yeah. his arm around him. His arm around him.

Jordan looks like hell because he's been sick with the flu. So photoshopped in part of an in denorah and in the trick in a good Photoshop like that is finding the right photo of the person you're putting into it. So they have to have the right expression or they might their face might be facing the wrong direction. So finding those is finding the gold nugget.

I have photos of you but I might not have the photo of the back of your head or the photo of you looking down or something that I need for some photo. But I found a photo of Steve. He actually tweeted it out. It's a photo of him feeding his dog and he's holding up like his dog's food or something and he's looking down and he looks kind of solemn and but he's not even the he's not even in the photo as the key subject.

It's the dog but in the background there's Steve's solemn face and that's the face that ended up being in this Photoshop is sold that from there. And when you know you get it you know right away like you can go oh that's the one I needed. Yeah that's the one I needed. Yeah that's the his you know his expression is what I need and he's facing the right direction to fit in this thing and then it's a matter of just using a little bit of package Photoshop skill to kind of blend it in or make it the right shape and you know just do a little bit of cleanup work.

Today's was very funny. I'll make sure I read that too. You know one other thing you mentioned earlier you were talking about the pictures and paintings and where you draw inspiration from. There was a great one that was some famous French painting where Kenny is laying down.

That's all of us maybe in there right? Was that what was it just getting in there? It's just it's just it was kind of a little like what am I looking at here and you kind of jumps around and then you find Kenny. So within Myrtle lore there's a famous picture I took you and Ken and you're on the green getting ready to take a pipe and Ken who had had one too many beers that day I think is laying down on the fringe maybe giving you a read maybe just taking a rest I don't know but the fact that he was laying down on the golf course is what's iconic about it.

So in this photo of Sarat as the painter that guy did all the little points. Sarat with the dot. Yeah the paintings like Sunday afternoon or whatever it's the famous one with the woman with the parasol and everybody's at the park. It's the normal painting except as you look to the left Kenny is lying on the grass there kind of facing down towards the water.

I gotta find that I'll tweet that on the podcast Twitter it was great. That was great. Yeah I put some favorites down on this list of mine. Yeah what are your favorite photos?

So some of them aren't photoshops. Like there's a video one I did of Dave last year where he's one hand shipping. So we tease Dave all the time because when he gets within 50 yards of the green his preferred method is to swing one handed with his wedge. He uses his right hand and just keeps the left hand kind of behind his back or doesn't even use it.

Swings up at all one handed and slaps it up on the green. It's insane. It works enough to keep him doing it but he needs to figure out how to use two handings. So in this video I have with him doing this I overlaid the nature narrator David Attenborough.

Yes. He's talking about monkeys using tools and that worked out really well. That was a good line. Kenny Line Down is one of them and I will say that Kenny Line Down and the package Jumpman both have become some iconic photoshops that I can then reuse.

So I've used Jumpman several times in different bins. I did die at another day with the James Bond thing. That's right. That's right.

And then Kenny with the Line Down he's been on the bar in the night painting and he was suspended from cables with Lady Gaga and a half-room show Line Down. So, so, to reuse is a key. A couple other favorites of mine I think that I look back on and laugh. Some of them I do look back on and I'm like I could have done a better job with that or that wasn't definitely what I would have.

But some of them have stood the test of time including Boston powers the one I did with Hardiman. He's wearing the colorful clothing that Austin Powers has on it. Now I changed it to Do I Make You Thirsty Baby? He's drinking beer.

That was great. There was a there was a victory celebration on the deck at the house after you guys won in 2013 and Kenny won his first murder. Russell Ellie is there and you got some people took their shirts off because beer was getting forward everywhere whatever and I took this photo of the group a couple guys took their shirts off and then later went back and as mr. mayhem and I blurred it to make it look like rush was naked from the waist down so that one turned out pretty good even though it was simple that was like a five minute one.

I've done some on lyrics with songs and parodies and stuff and just kind of writing the lyric down I don't actually sing anything but my favorite one of those has to be Alana's more so the song is one hand in my pocket and again I made fun of Dave and the line is I got one hand in my pocket and the other hand is swinging my fishing with it. And you had a good you know an Avril Lavigne this season right? That's right. Winter boys.

And then the last two I'll say is favorite to mine were Aaron as an Nirvana baby. Yes we haven't done that yet but he's getting into pool one year. He swam naked in the pool. If I don't want anybody to think they were shenanigans he was trying to do swim naked to get fast times across the pool.

There was some kind of drunken competition going on about how fast he could swim back and forth and he had baggy like bar goes like bar goes like what are you spinning out of these? So therefore we make fun of that and then the last one that I enjoy looking at is Rick as Bob Ross. That's genius. Absolutely genius.

So the happy little accident there was that when I put his face on Bob Ross's hair Rick's beard matches exactly and it looks like it's all him. Yes again kind of a Photoshop accident that really worked out well. Well congratulations to you sir the mr. Mayhem Twitter account is a fantastic follow and it's sort of like a Haley's comment.

It comes it's here for like 50-60 days and then it disappears not to be seen for like another 310 right but I enjoy it because to me it extends Myrtle into more than just a five-day event. It's something that we can kind of laugh about and enjoy anticipate in the months that lead up to it. So even though it's a lot of work I enjoy doing. Well good work Al.

So let's move on here. I'm going to close our interview out with my final segment to become very popular with the listeners. It's called On the Range. That's a word association.

I'm going to give you a word or phrase that has some meaning obviously to you or I or the Myrtle group and I just want you real quick to fire back the first words or thoughts that come to mind and then and then you can elaborate if you feel that you need to. Are you ready? I hope so. Are you nervous?

You should know those much about me. Well I could have Kevin Keller to get some of these things. All right first one the scoreboard at Prince William County Park. A great memory.

We worked at Prince William County ballpark. I think Dave covered some of this in his episode but this is where a lot of us met or at least enjoyed time together in one of our early jobs. Work in the summer for a minor league ballpark. Many of us worked in the concessions company there.

Rick worked as a ranger for the park service chair. But the scoreboard was out in the left center field and had a net covering it. The protected from home run baseballs. But one day, one night after the game several of us stuck around in the parking lot waited until everybody left.

Went back into the ballpark. We now go to the field. Jumped the fence. Sat out on the scoreboard.

Drink beer. We might have even stuck some empties into the net. I think you'll ever mean there overnight. And then yeah.

The next day we're getting ready to see the cans. Yeah it wasn't the brightest thing. We ever did. But we didn't damage anything.

But just being on the scoreboard out on the park at night at a place we all loved in our youth. It was a lot of fun. We got some pictures to remember that one. One of the great jobs, you know, fun jobs I ever had in my life.

Yeah besides the one that I have now. We're going to move on. The second word that I want to give you is scavenger hunt. This is has taken on a legend or a life of its own.

And deservedly so I would say. We did a scavenger hunt our senior year. Junior year. Senior year.

I think. Senior year. Of high school. Again, John, I, Aaron, Danny, Rush, others certainly that we hung out with at the time that aren't affiliated with Myrtle organized and participated in a scavenger hunt around our hometown.

I actually worked at the said ballpark that night and didn't get to participate. But we set up some ground rules. So here are the quick round rules for this guy. Teams of three correct?

Yep. In a car one vehicle team of three. Yep. There was a small sign up registration fee maybe 10 bucks or something.

And we were going to give out the money to the winner. The winner winning team is the team that could check off the most things on their list. And the list was comprised of maybe three dozen items of varying numbers of points based on how hard that item might be to secure. Some items were simple.

Like you had to get four red rubber bands. You had to take your yearbook up to the grocery store and have the manager on duty sign your yearbook. Others were of shall we say less legal means to acquire them perhaps. I mean you can certainly acquire them legally but many people chose not to.

I mean some people have the bell from the top of a Taco Bell restaurant sitting in their basement. Some people have that maybe supposed to borrow it. So a few items that I've remembered over the years. I think I actually have a file somewhere with maybe 20 or so of the items to help remember.

Like a three foot strip of barbed wire. So barbed wire wasn't easily found but maybe you knew where a farm was and you could clip you know barbed wire. I remember Alan Armstrong got out of the car with a blow torch to cut that. You had to get a straw dispenser.

So some people talked about trying to steal that from a fast food restaurant. We know. The pizza sign on top of a car for a delivery vehicle you had to secure that. You had to get a red pylon that's on the street.

You know marking traffic. You had to get a long neck blood wiser beer. We were all underage at the time and long neck beers were something that you could really only get in bars. I don't think they even sold them in a grocery store where they were rarer.

So again you had to have a hookup or you had to steal it from your dad or something. Washington Star posted a newspaper box. The mail box. The news paper box.

The Washington Star had just gone out of business a year or two before they were becoming rare. What else was on there? So anyway the long story short is that everybody came out of this event with a story to tell. There was a street sign started with a Z and one of the characters in this ran over the street sign with her SUV and threw the street sign into the back of her car.

Several people got arrested or at least asked to come downtown and talk to the cops about it. I got asked to come downtown and talk to the cops about it because I had created the list of items and collected the money. So we ended up I think all the money got used by Aaron for his legal defense. Aaron who never mind?

Never heard of him. I mean but a great time and a good one. Iconic night in high school. So the genius.

I thought it was a bowling ball that said house ball or a bold America. And oh yes because that's because this is the story. Diana goes into the bowling alley says hey a whole bunch of kids are going to come in here tonight and try and steal a bowling ball. If you give me one you know I'm giving you this information.

Can you give me one or one or whatever and they're like yeah you want to take a pin too? And she completely like hoses everybody else that comes in that night to train you. Genius. Yeah.

Genius. That was fantastic. That was an iconic night. Number three.

67 Mustang. Yeah I would say keyword there is lucky. No not many kids are lucky to have a cool car like that as their first car. So yeah I was able to buy that off my dad and we painted it and you know I was much cooler kid because of having that car than I would have been otherwise.

But we were able to drive around a cool Mustang when we were in high school. So that was fun. That was a lot of good memories in that car. Ocean Lakes.

Ocean Lakes was the first host if you will for this Myrtle Mayhem trip. Ocean Lakes is a campground of sorts. It's a weird mix of nice properties that are being built up now and more or less trailers semi permanent trailers that have been there since probably the 50s in Myrtle Beach in kind of south side, south side area of Myrtle Beach. And it was the first place.

So Dave in his episode talked about our first trip down there. We had eight guys in a little apartment of no more than maybe 500 square feet. Two bedrooms that were about the size of a bed. And then Rick's bedroom was the blow up mattress in the kitchen.

Aaron slept on the deck on outside. They didn't stuff on the couch. It was not big enough for eight people. But I was in that Ocean Lakes complex.

There was really nothing to do there. You couldn't see the ocean. You were just surrounded by other houses. So we played poker all the time.

So we would get home from the golf course, play poker out on the deck until it got too cold, move inside, stop smoking and move inside, play poker for another few hours. So yeah, that was the original trip was a lot, a lot of poker. We moved probably 20, I mean, sorry, 2009 maybe we moved to a different house, accommodating more people and finally had some restaurants and bars that we'd walk to. But Ocean Lakes was our home for the first few years for this event.

And I don't really look back blindly. No. Well, you know, you and I go back a long time. So I kind of asked you a couple of things from our early days together.

The last one I'll give you here is Mac Davis. So this was another inside joke that occurred in Ocean Lakes, actually. We were out on the deck having playing poker and there's probably eight of us out there. And we hear music.

It's probably 11 o'clock at night. I don't know, I'm guessing. We hear music and there's a guy out on his deck, which is no more than 20 feet from us. The houses are jammed close together.

And he's, you know, maybe a little older than us at the time. He's probably in his mid 40s, pushing 50. Looks a little disheveled, a little skinny, maybe a little rug-addled. I don't know.

I'm not judging. Dancing around the music with the three door open, slide glass door open, making comments to us occasionally, some of which we wrote down and laugh about to this day. But, yeah, he thought Rick looked like Mac Davis and we still take this day, don't understand. Because you can Google Mac Davis and see what Mac Davis looks like.

And Rick looks the opposite of Mac Davis. I don't think I was there the year that that happened. But I still have no idea. We have time for one more.

I got one more. I don't know. It's your show. I don't know.

I'm going to give you Sam Boone. Can you do that? Give more obscure. All right.

Let me see if I can explain this one. John, you and I were part of a group after graduation from high school together. So this would have been June of 87. We take a trip down to Nag said and say it, everybody marks parents' house who owned up condo or whatever it was, a house in Nag said.

Other 18 year olds are there with us. We probably had a group of eight to 10 maybe. I don't know. And then maybe there was another house because I don't remember this person staying with us.

Yeah, a pastor had the two houses. Okay. All right. So there was another house of kids there.

Anyway, much, much drinking was going on. Parian without parents being around as teenagers do. And as the night went along, you get into a scuffle with another gentleman. And then later, you are out of it and you're in your bed.

And I don't remember who was it with me that comes in and starts recording. Maybe Danny? I don't know. Might have been Danny.

We had a cassette recorder of some kind or a boombox. And we come into the room where you were crashed and you were on a lower bone. Remember that? And we start talking to you and you prop yourself up on your pillow, but you seem half gone.

Like you're out of it, but you're still talking to us. I never had any recollection of this even occurring. I know. But at one point, there was audio of it.

It would have been good for a podcast. But you had gotten into a scuffle, like I said, with this other gentleman and we asked you about it. And that's when, is that what you said, you said, Sam Doon or you were, we said, take place. And you said, I'm in the same.

Sam Doon. And then I said, John, did you win the fight? And you said, he kicked my ass. I don't remember any of it.

So I'm waiting to tell me what happened. It's still a blur from 40 years ago. We thought you had fought him with a guy named Sam Doon. But you were trying to say that the fight took place out in the sand dune is what we think you were saying.

But yeah, but you got the better at you. But luckily you don't remember. Right. There we go.

I don't remember the fight or the conversation that was recorded that night. So all right. Well, that's a little inside baseball, but I wanted to just see your reaction when I asked you for Sam Doon. So we're clocking in at 50 minutes.

We better end this thing. Al. So let's wrap it up. I appreciate you for being on.

Follow inside the may at inside the mayhem on Twitter to get all of the incredible Mr. Mayhem content. I will see you in a few weeks in Surfside Beach. And I'm looking forward to that.

We'll wrap this podcast up here. Remember everybody hit him straight. And if you don't hit him straight, crack a beer and hit another one. Al, we'll see you in a couple weeks, brother.