S2 E8 Friend of the Devil: Pain, Forgiveness and the Loving Gaze

In this episode, Stan and Tucker sit down face to face with their friend Haymitch St. Stephen — artist, meditation guide, and author of Friend of the Devil. Haymitch shares how a devastating accident in high school shattered his simple view of the world, how losing close friends to suicide led him to ask a question he can't stop chewing on, and what he's learning about self-forgiveness, the loving gaze, and what it means to truly flourish. Together they explore how the same storytelling mind that makes us uniquely human can also undo us — and how dropping out of our heads and into our bodies, whether through art, dirt, or a single deep breath, can create the distance we need from the stories that run us. This is a conversation about pain, presence, and the courage to turn toward what hurts.