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EPISODE · Jan 20, 2026 · 5 MIN

S2 Ep2: When Meetings Get Spicy, Don’t Rake The Zen Garden

from Five with Fry · host Dr. Jen Fry

Most leadership problems show up in moments of tension. Not the dramatic blowups, but the everyday heat in meetings, feedback conversations, or decisions that carry weight. This episode is about what you do with yourself in those moments. The habits you built early around conflict still show up now, whether you learned to get loud, go quiet, or stay busy to avoid the feeling. You can’t lead past patterns you don’t notice, and you don’t need a new framework to start noticing.I walk through self-awareness as a practical leadership skill. Catching the small tells like pen clicking, screen checking, tightening your jaw. Naming what’s happening internally without handing it to everyone else in the room. Using simple resets to slow the moment down so you can choose clarity over reflex. When leaders do this, teams feel it. Conversations get cleaner. Accountability lands with less friction. Trust grows because people know how you show up when things get uncomfortable.If you’re ready to lead past old patterns, this is a path to steadier decisions and healthier cultures under pressure. Follow the show, share it with a manager who needs it, and leave a rating so more leaders can build a better relationship with conflict. And as you listen, notice this: what’s the first signal that tells you you’re uncomfortable, and what reset will you try next?

Most leadership problems show up in moments of tension. Not the dramatic blowups, but the everyday heat in meetings, feedback conversations, or decisions that carry weight. This episode is about what you do with yourself in those moments. The habits you built early around conflict still show up now, whether you learned to get loud, go quiet, or stay busy to avoid the feeling. You can’t lead past patterns you don’t notice, and you don’t need a new framework to start noticing. I walk through se...

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