EPISODE · May 23, 2021 · 1H 18M
S3-E10: Uncomfortable Conversations Aren't Black to White They Are Soul to Soul
from Enough Factor Podcast · host Suzette Vearnon
The conversations that matter are rarely comfortable. Perhaps that’s why talking honestly about race in America gets hard and rouses fragility, not just in White people, but in Black people too. Hence, the cycle of shame and guilt continues. Deb Besinger and I didn’t want that. While, we knew that a conversation between a Black woman and a White woman would be very uncomfortable, we made a covenant to speak honestly but to uphold one another’s dignity throughout. For, at the end of the day, uncomfortable conversations aren’t Black and White. They are soul to soul. ABOUT DEB BESINGERDeborah Besinger is a freelance writer and recognized dating expert whose advice has been featured in The Washington Post, The Huffington Post and others. She is a now-single mom to Andrew, Gaige, Bliss and True, and lives in Raleigh, North Carolina. Deborah has written for Scary Mommy, The Good Men Project, HuffPost Divorce and more, as well as, been a guest on The Steve Harvey Show about parenting black teens on a special town hall on Race and Police. She is the author of her newly published memoir, Bound and Gagged by Christianity and the Sins that Set Me Free, which is about leaving fundamental Christianity and finding the religion of love. By day, Deborah is a certified Life, Love and Dating Coach and owner of Kiss of Perspective and hosts weekly discussions about dating and relating and desires to help people grab more love out of life.Deborah is a collector of riveting conversations, lover of connected relationships, social justice seeker, intuitive question asker, coffee enthusiast and armchair sociologist. MENTIONSThe Racism I Experienced As a White Mom Who Adopted Black Kids (Huffpost Article)https://www.huffpost.com/entry/experiencing-racism-as-a-white-mom-who-adopted-black_b_5782449ce4b0f06648f517deBrené Brown talks about Dehumanizationhttps://brenebrown.com/podcast/brene-on-words-actions-dehumanization-and-accountability/The Lincoln Projecthttps://www.youtube.com/c/thelincolnprojectOTHER WAYS TO CONNECT WITH DEBWebsite(s): DeborahBesinger.com www.kissofperspective.comFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/KissofperspectiveInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/kissofperspective/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deb-besinger-2815a53b/CREDITSMusic by DH The Composer https://linktr.ee/dhthecomposerCover Design by Odyssey Administrative Services LLC http://odysseyadministrativeservices.comCover Photo from gallery of royalty free photos on Pixteller.com
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The conversations that matter are rarely comfortable. Perhaps that’s why talking honestly about race in America gets hard and rouses fragility, not just in White people, but in Black people too. Hence, the cycle of shame and guilt continues. Deb Besinger and I didn’t want that. While, we knew that a conversation between a Black woman and a White woman would be very uncomfortable, we made a covenant to speak honestly but to uphold one another’s dignity throughout. For, at the end of the day, uncomfortable conversations aren’t Black and White. They are soul to soul. ABOUT DEB BESINGERDeborah Besinger is a freelance writer and recognized dating expert whose advice has been featured in The Washington Post, The Huffington Post and others. She is a now-single mom to Andrew, Gaige, Bliss and True, and lives in Raleigh, North Carolina. Deborah has written for Scary Mommy, The Good Men Project, HuffPost Divorce and more, as well as, been a guest on The Steve Harvey Show about parenting black teens on a special town hall on Race and Police. She is the author of her newly published memoir, Bound and Gagged by Christianity and the Sins that Set Me Free, which is about leaving fundamental Christianity and finding the religion of love. By day, Deborah is a certified Life, Love and Dating Coach and owner of Kiss of Perspective and hosts weekly discussions about dating and relating and desires to help people grab more love out of life.Deborah is a collector of riveting conversations, lover of connected relationships, social justice seeker, intuitive question asker, coffee enthusiast and armchair sociologist. MENTIONSThe Racism I Experienced As a White Mom Who Adopted Black Kids (Huffpost Article)https://www.huffpost.com/entry/experiencing-racism-as-a-white-mom-who-adopted-black_b_5782449ce4b0f06648f517deBrené Brown talks about Dehumanizationhttps://brenebrown.com/podcast/brene-on-words-actions-dehumanization-and-accountability/The Lincoln Projecthttps://www.youtube.com/c/thelincolnprojectOTHER WAYS TO CONNECT WITH DEBWebsite(s): DeborahBesinger.com www.kissofperspective.comFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/KissofperspectiveInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/kissofperspective/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deb-besinger-2815a53b/CREDITSMusic by DH The Composer https://linktr.ee/dhthecomposerCover Design by Odyssey Administrative Services LLC http://odysseyadministrativeservices.comCover Photo from gallery of royalty free photos on Pixteller.com
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