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S3 EP23: Out of the Shadows Review w/ Meg Dowell

from Radio Rebellion: A Star Wars Podcast · host Alberto M Calderon

Today we are joined by Meg Dowell of Project Stardust, Followers of the Force and many others to review and discuss Out of the Shadows by Justina Ireland.  The High Republic hits keep coming and Out of the Shadows gives us new characters, new drama and an ending that will change the future of the Nihil.  We highlight your Rebel Thoughts  Follow Meg https://twitter.com/MegDowell   Intro music by The Media Music Podcast https://twitter.com/MediaMusicPod Link Tree: https://t.co/QiW944JnUG?amp=1

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Rebellion's built on hope. We're going to be talking about today. And next week we're going to be talking about Daniel Saldar's race to crash point towers, which is the middle grade book of wave two of the high Republic. Another great story.

We'll talk about this book next week with Otty from podcast, a star wars will be here next week to tweak things apart from what I just mentioned. It's gonna be our final episode of season three of Red River Valley. So after that we're gonna be taking a short break a couple of weeks and it's also a 75th episode next week. So yay milestone.

We made it to 75. Hopefully I'll come back from the break and we'll make it to 100 episodes by the end of the year or something. And of course it's a bad batch last week. I mean yesterday I know you watch the show, you listen to this.

I've been up and down with the bad batch this season but I can't fault them for anything. Yesterday's show was awesome from beginning to end. I can't wait for the finale next week. And of course they mentioned that season two is coming next year which is not a surprise but it's good to get that official confirmation.

So we'll talk about that and out of the shadows with our guests and then let's bring her up before because I always forget if you're watching this live or later on just make sure that you like this video. Let us know in the comments if you're enjoying the bad batch of the Republic, out of the shadows any comments you might have. I make sure you're subscribed to the show either here on YouTube or toward podcast which you can find everywhere. Leave us a rate, review, comment, anything.

Love hearing from you guys. But alright with that said, I guess today I got to take a deep breath to say all the accolades for this person. She's the little in chief of Yutini. She's a host for future the fourth podcast Starbird Dawn, Project Star Dust and she has a great Instagram page to start with book review with some great Star Wars photos out there of all the books.

So let's bring her in. It's Meg Dao. How are you doing Meg? Hi, I am doing great.

I am so glad to be here. And before we get into anything I did want to congratulate you on almost 75 episodes. I, you know, I won't say it's a dream of mine to get to that many episodes in a podcast that I do basically by myself, but good for you. That is like a huge, a huge thing.

So I'm, I'll say it. I'm proud of you. Good job. Thank you.

I do appreciate it. It's one of those things that yes, I do this myself, but it's glad always to hear from other people that yeah, it's a good job because it does take a lot of time. And I'll say I don't spend as much time as some other people there when it comes to everything afterwards and doing all the other stuff which I know that takes a lot of time, which I think is one of the good things for myself that I just went to the live shows because what happens happens. I can't go back and fix it.

The podcast, I spent hours just trying to fix this. And it's going to go back and record it. It's too much pressure. Even though it's recorded, I felt more pressure because it had to be perfect.

Right. It doesn't matter if I make any mistake, whatever. We'll keep rolling in the conscious. Yeah.

So, but yeah, that's all you're doing. Again, we've, we talked a few months ago or last month trying to get you here to talk about Dooku, Jedi, Lost, but unfortunately things happened. You're going to be here about you're here now. So I mean, thanks.

How are things going? Yeah, I am here. Things are great. And yeah, you know, sometimes life happens, but I am so glad that we managed to get me back here to talk about another great book.

You know, that's the thing about Star Wars books in general is like, there's just so many good ones. I mean, look at you. Look behind you. Yeah, it's true.

I was going to wait. I'll just jump right into a quick question because you're famous also on Twitter for saying how much your to read pile keeps drawing. It's 30 books, 32. Have you made any progress?

I doesn't seem like it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, it doesn't matter, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Jane budding But yeah, like you said, at least just Star Wars wise. There's so many great books coming out right now, not just the High Republic, which is kind of the main line going out there, but we just had the off of the Squadron trilogy and a few months ago, we had the Throne Ascendancy, which is the next book, the final one for that one, is coming in a few months.

And then a lot of others in between, the Pat made a Queen's Shadow trilogy, so it's also concluding a couple of months. So there's a lot of Star Wars out there, just in the book format. I don't like the High Republic for whatever reason, you have 20 others that you can focus on. So it's great for people out there that love diving into all this stuff.

Yeah, exactly. It's like, if there is, basically at this point, in Star Wars publishing, if there's one thing you're not really into, there's always something else, especially with comics always happening. If you're really not into the books, there's still so many great stories happening. And then there's like, I think, at least three different comics running right now.

So there's a lot more than three. I just picked a number, but there is always something for you to really just get into and enjoy that. There is something for everyone. I'm convinced that at any point, there's going to be one book or one comic at any time that you can really just be into.

So that is fascinating and fantastic. I'm loving it. Yeah, I think that's one of the reasons I haven't really dive into the comics, because there's so many. And if I start and I won't finish, because we have the High Republic Adventures, you have the IDW and that's the IDW one.

Then you have the Marvel High Republic, you have the Afro-Comics, and now with the work of Mountie Hunters. The Vay the Land in the main Star Wars. So this is, again, so I was for everyone out there. So.

Yeah, I try not to be upset with myself for being so behind on the comics all the time, because they're just never stopped. And it's great. It really is. Yes, it is.

So like I mentioned at the beginning, you're not just already a attorney chief of Yutini, plus you help host Frisch or the Forest, Star Wars, Darn of course, you started Project Star Dust, plus your own Instagram page and many other things. I don't know, first of all, where do you have, how do you have the time to be here? I guess it's one with all that stuff. But why be involved in so many different Star Wars ventures out there?

I, you know, I just took a break from everything for a minute just to kind of step back and like think about, you know, things in life. It's been a long year and a half. And I really spent a lot of time actually reflecting on like, all the things that I am doing, the things I'm involved in and all the people that I'm working with. And to answer your question, at least about how I have the time to do all that.

I don't know the answer to that question. It all just happens somehow. Because I mean, I love giving my time and my energy to all of these things that I enjoy so much, and especially like being able to work with so many amazing people in this fandom, because there are so many of them. And the reason I do so many of the things that I do is I like doing a variety of different things.

Like there are people who like, well, just, they just want to write or they just want to pod cast or they just want to do photography, or you know, they have their one thing. And that's great. I'm not content, which is just doing the one thing. I like having my hands and a lot of different things and being able to kind of express my own like creativity in different ways.

It gives me that feeling of like I am doing things that I enjoy, not just one thing, but a lot of things. But really, like being involved with YouTini and Project Stardust and all these different pod castes, I've met so many people here, like basically on the internet, many of them, which I consider friends at this point. And especially like now, you know, being on the internet a lot of the time and that being like main social interaction for a lot of people, being able to talk about something like Star Wars that we all love so much and being able to bond over that and being able to make connections between these stories and like our real lives and how we relate to each other as people, it's so important to me. And it has quite literally changed my life since getting involved in all this in so many wonderful ways.

And I don't regret any of it at all. And I thought for a while pretty recently about like, was there anything? Because I am doing a lot of things, which I really enjoy, but there's always that question of like, is there anything that I could step back from or any responsibility I could give to someone else? And honestly, I just, I love everything that I'm doing.

And you know, when you love the things that you do, you find a way because that's what being passionate about something means is you give your time and your energy and your passion to the things that make it worth it. Yeah, I could have said it better myself. And I understand there's sometimes just doing one show, I just step back, we take a longer break. Okay, it's been good for a year and a half or whatever.

But then when you sit here and you talk to people, it's like, yeah, this is why I do. I just love talking about Star Wars so much, meeting people like you said, because even though I've been a Star Wars fan for almost all my life, I don't, I mean everyone knows outside of here that I'm a Star Wars fan, but I don't engage in a lot of Star Wars so I'll do in real life because I don't wanna deal with all the crap that's out there. You know I'm a Star Wars guy, I run the office, but don't have a question because you don't know, I might just make stuff up and you'll take it as whatever because you're not sure. But all the people I've met through since I started this podcast, like I said almost a year and a half ago, I've met so many great people just on Twitter and some of the guests that I've had that it kind of expands the reason why we're doing this.

Like, yeah, we talk Star Wars, but look at all the people I've met with the same kind of passion behind it and love it for different reasons. And then you can start seeing it from a different point of view also and that kind of have different point of view of course, but that kind of keeps everyone going, which it's great to hear. And you did say that passionate about it. And you're very passionate about the Mandalorians and dog saver and stuff like that nature.

And you posted something I think yesterday or this morning, you got a dog saver, like saver recently? I did, I managed to snag a dark saver. What's it called? From Galaxy's Edge.

And it's one of those things, it's like sometimes the little things in life when you really need a boost, they just make you really happy. And yeah, it's great. It's in the other room right now, but otherwise I'll show you. But yeah, it's pretty great.

It's heavier than I expected. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah, it was like Galaxy's Edge a few weeks ago.

They didn't have it there for people to buy. I don't know how they decide which ones to display, which ones to sell each day. I was man, if I say it, I don't know. I had my eyes set on the Ray Skywalk at the end of the rest of Skywalk, and they didn't have that.

I ended up with the Canduca one, which is like there. I'm not saying it, I love that thing so much. It's very heavy. It's great.

I think I got a mistake with the blade because I sell two different sizes. And I'll give you the longer one. I think it's too long. Oh no.

But most of the time it's going to be just mounted there. So it's fine. But if I started whacking it around, then I got to be careful. Oh goodness.

Yeah. I never thought that I would actually have one because like, who knows what I'm going to get there. But it worked out. And like, will I ever get another legacy saber?

I don't know. I'm honestly, if this was the only one I had, I'd be happy. Can't wait. I can't wait to figure out where I'm going to display it.

There's no room left in here. I don't know. Yeah, that's the problem I have with this one. It's the Hilti's curve.

I can't use stand or I mean, a normal. Like the one I have back here for the legacy one. Yeah. Because then it's just kind of going that way.

So I got to figure out the best way to display it on the walls so people can see it. But I'll just grab it at night and just, whoo, it's red. It's fun. Just because it's fun.

Because it's nice again. Nice. Yes. All right.

So we have to know because we asked everyone, what's your store worth story? Because I always say we all like stores for different reasons. And we got into it at different points in our life. And that doesn't make anyone more of us always around than anyone else.

But there has to be something that really clicks with us to go all the way toward having one podcast, one YouTube channel, 20, write reviews for books. And so it's something more than just a casual fan. So what's your store worth story from when you saw it first and when it clicked to, yeah, this is the only part of my life moving forward? Yeah.

I grew up with Star Wars kind of just being around all the time. I remember my brother is seven years younger than me. So we didn't have a lot in common when we were really young. But one of the things we always bonded over was Star Wars.

When he was very, oh, God, he was very, very young when the Phantom Menace came out. And I remember a few years after that, that movie just always playing constantly in our living room. I'm pretty sure I have most of it still memorized because of how many times it was on. And so growing up, it was kind of just always there.

I don't know if I could have avoided becoming a fan, honestly. But there came a point probably around middle school or early high school. I kind of just had this moment where I was like, is Star Wars cool? Like, should I like this or not?

And I kind of just walked away from it for a while. It was always kind of like a thing in our family. And I always kind of liked it. And I always tried to keep up with the books and things like that.

But I kind of was just, I got interested in other things. And I didn't know if Star Wars was really a thing I wanted to hold on to. And I kept kind of watching with Clone Wars as it was coming out and things like that. But for a long time, I just like really wasn't into it that much.

And then when I graduated college and I was about to start grad school, I was having a really hard time finding a job because like, you know, that happens. And I just was having a really hard time just finding things to be hopeful for and like trying to find joy in the small things. And I had seen that the Soca novel had just come out. And Soca at that point was a character I kind of knew.

And I knew I liked her because I'd seen her in the Clone Wars. But I don't think I'd finish the series at that point. But to like have this moment where like there is a book, a Star Wars book, a new one about a character I like. I mean, I'm really excited about Star Wars for the first time in a long time.

And I was like, I'm going to read this book. And from there, I have read so many Star Wars books. And I'd read like a lot of legends before that. But I just really hadn't died into it too much.

And around when the last Jedi was coming out a few years later, I really had this sudden need to consume as much Star Wars as I could because I bought my tickets for the movie in October. And it wasn't coming out until December. And I was like, I need more Star Wars. So I started reading more of the books.

And I in there so many. And I couldn't figure out like which ones I was supposed to read and what order and things like that. And the movie came out and it kind of months went by. And I still was like, I need to read more Star Wars books.

And that's kind of how I stumbled on a YouTini. And from there, it's kind of become like the books have just become, to me, these stories that you can always pull something from to relate back to your real life. And in the moments where still I feel like I need something to have hope in. Or it's been a really rough time for all of us in the past year, year and half.

And constantly, Star Wars for me is this thing where I can remember like my favorite characters going through some kind of trial or struggle and remembering that they got through it because they never lost their hope. And for me, that has always been the thing. It is something that I love. It is something that brings me joy when I need it.

And then I can take that. And I can give that to others too and make them feel joyful with the things that I make, with the podcasts that I do or the things that I write. And it's so important. It has the potential to bring us together in so many amazing ways.

And that was a lot. But that is my story. I mean, I love hearing people's story because they're all different for the reasons that we, and a lot of people a little bit older, kind of my age grew up with Star Wars. And there's always that break between the real trilogy and the prequel.

So that years and then the same thing between the prequel and the sequel to the sequel. I don't want to say fall out of love with it, but there's really nothing out there if you don't prefer the visual medium. There's really not a lot out there. Yes, there was long words after the prequel trilogy, but it wasn't like now that you have to watch it when it comes out and have all this discussion.

It's like a cartoon network, we watch it when it comes, then when it got on Netflix, a lot of people more gravitated to it. But there wasn't a lot of in between all this trilogy. So people kind of try to find something else. But there's something that brings them back.

Last week I had Roberto Venegas here, the great artist. And he's not a very similar to mine. We were up in the 80s. We were very excited for the prequels.

It was OK. People didn't have this great reception to it. And then he fell off. And then it was the sequel trilogy that really got him into it.

And the character of Ray, who's very character. And then the last Jela. And they kind of changed everything for him. So it's great to hear these stories.

And I really got into servers when special editions came out in the 90s. Because I had fallen out of it. Because I didn't read the books when I was younger. I didn't read the comics.

They were just the movies. And then I got back into it, letting the 90s. And from that point on, so it's great hearing all these stories. For people that are so into the world that we know.

But we all got into it for different reasons. Like you said, oh, this character. I saw that I know. Let me read that story.

And then it blew up. So it's exciting. And it's kind of motivating for myself. And I'll tell you all these stories.

So yeah, it might be a little bit long. But it's a story. It's a story. It's a whole arc.

That's how we talk about the Bad Batch. Oh, the arcs and all this stuff. So thank you. And talking about the Bad Batch.

Yesterday's episode, the penultimate, I think that day before they said, yes, season 2 is coming. Enjoy the part 2 finale or the part 3 finale, something like that. Everyone got excited. Before we jump into that episode, general thoughts on this first season so far.

For the first season of a Star Wars animated show, because we've gotten multiple of them before. And we kind of can compare them a little bit. It is very, I thought it was very well done. I kind of expected that in this first season, there would be episodes that kind of felt like you weren't sure why I either were there or kind of things maybe moved a little bit slower.

But every week, I was able to just really find something that I really, really enjoyed. And now that we're here with one episode left, comparing to where we were 15 weeks ago, the payoff is 100% worth it, I feel like. And there's no doubt in my mind that it's just going to keep getting better from here. Yeah.

Yeah. So yesterday, we tried to come in. We'll try to do a non-spoiler just in case people haven't seen it. Just a few weeks ago.

But this episode might be my favorite one of the season. I've said it here before, so people follow this. They know I've been, I liked the first couple of episodes and I kind of been a little bit down on it. But yesterday's episode was just spectacular.

And I wish we got a little bit more of that before that. Not as well about the conversation that Hunter and Crosser had. It's so important. But I think I would have a bigger payoff if you have seen some of that conversation throughout the season because they really didn't interact a little bit on that episode with Kat Baine, but they really wasn't just shoot to kill everyone.

They didn't care. They were missing Crosser. What's going on? Why didn't we try to save him?

There wasn't a lot of that. But the payoff for what happened yesterday was over the top. So I can't wait for next week. At least even if that season for me hasn't been a plus this yesterday's, I'm pretty sure next week is going to be pretty good.

So, so quick thoughts about yesterday. I'm guessing you love the episode yesterday? I did. It's like everything from the music to the twists to the moment where you just have all these realizations and even the quieter moments where they're talking about certain deeper things.

Oh, it was all so good. And I'm trying to think of how I can express my thoughts without just spoiling everything. That's for the world. Yeah, no.

Go watch it because even if you have your issues with the previous episodes yesterday, put those two rest at least just watch it as a single episode. The music was great. And the patient is always over the top. So it was a pretty good episode.

So next week, like I said, we'll be talking with Oti from the podcast of Star Wars, Race of Grasswind Tower, but we'll also be discussing the finale of the badmashal coverage for the next week. All right. So before we go ahead and start talking about main topic. A few people out there.

Like always our friend Dale Deorethnoss saying hello there. Hello Dale. Thanks for joining us. My friend Michael from the two methods network which greetings Michael.

Thanks for being here. All right. So Meg, I think you're ready. I'm already hopefully you guys are there already less talks Star Wars and today we are talking about out of the shadows by Justina Ireland.

A great novel out there. Let me show it again for you guys. I love the shadows. My friend Barnet's tried to reach Silas and new characters to the best year arrow.

So I love the shadows. So before we go into other shows, we got to always talk a little bit about the high republic. people out there know I love the High Republic, but for yourself, I quit kind of general thoughts on the High Republic so far, and then we'll jump into the shadows. Oh, it's for me, the High Republic is the perfect story that has come at the perfect time in terms of like Star Wars as a whole, because, you know, right at the ending of what we're calling the Skywalker saga and that story, like there's still some stories left to tell, but overall, like, that's kind of, we kind of concluded that.

Now you have this whole new story still set in the same universe, still dealing with the same themes and things that you love from Star Wars just in general, instead of in a different time set with new characters in all of this different drama, because I just like to think that this is just one big drama and everyone is always just trying to be more powerful than everyone else, but in general, it's so well thought out. It's so exciting. It's so heartbreaking. Every book so far has in a lot of ways been better than the last one, especially just because everything is so connected.

And while you don't have to keep up with everything, but the payoff is so good if you do, because every book and I guess every comic kind of, everything builds off of each other and the story is just getting bigger, the stakes are getting higher. And I sound like I'm doing some kind of like hype trailer for this whole thing, but it's just, it's so good. And I know that sounds like a very simple review of the entire thing, but we didn't really know like what to expect. And I think we've all just been blown away in the best way possible.

Yeah, I mean, so far I haven't read, I'm not reading the comments. I've said it before, there's too many out there. And everyone has, everyone's busy. So I don't want to say one too busy to read it because that kind of puts other people down, but I just haven't found the time to get into it.

I'm this close because I'm seeing somebody cover out there and like, oh man, there's all that you're ending, which I love is coming. And then you have the crew of the vessel is on the other night, the door like, man, I should get into this. And then there's Ava Chris writing a rank code. I don't know what's wrong.

But so far there are six novels, I believe, even if it's the adult ones, the YA of the middle grades, they always, like you mentioned before, there's something in each book to take out of. And usually there's one character that for me, there's a new character in every book that I just love. And there's something in the story that keep pushing the story forward. Yes, it's 200 years in the past, but it feels like Star Wars.

And there's connections everywhere. If you didn't read that first book and you started with the writing storm, you might be a little bit lost. We can get the gist of it. When we was, and you hope we didn't know what the Clone Wars was.

I mentioned we, okay, there's a war, something happens. Okay. So if you read the writing storm, oh, something happened on Star like, I forget the whatever, head cell, something happened in the panel head cell. Okay, that's fine.

Ava Chris is a hero. Let's go from there. So yeah, you get more invested and you understand the story more. We can still jump in at any point.

I still know what's going on and grab something out of itself. But for me, everything has hit so far, very excited for what was announced a few weeks ago. I wish we had some books like next week or the week after we have the Monster of Temple Peak with a great Taiyori, the Monster Hunter. I am getting those, which they, what's we, I believe, a graphic novel.

Now it's 10 or divided into four chapters when I get those. And we have Tempest Runner featuring Lorna Dee, Alio Book, all your drama, I guess they call it coming out at the end of the month. So there's a lot still coming up. So very excited for what came before, what we're discussing today and then what's in the future is just, it's going to be, it's going to be awesome.

It's going to be good. So real quick, let me recap the story. If I can, I have a long paragraph here to recap the story. I don't even read all these.

Let's take. So it takes place a few months after the attack on the Republic Fair. Sorry. Yes, I'm, I'm confused between this and rising stone.

So I'll try to take a few months after the attacks on the Republic Fair on Valo. And the Chancellor, some people consider her a villain for the way. She's kind of the steps that she's taking, people are disillusioned with the Republic and the Jedi's response in all attacks. We have new character, Sylvester Yarrow, who's a hauler, her ship was full out of hyperspace and was attacked by the Nile.

So she goes to Coruscant, wants to let the Republic know that now are out there, they're a threat to the frontier or more of a threat that the Republic is kind of just, yeah, whatever, they're more or less out there. No, no, that's something more. She goes to Coruscant, no one can take her seriously, but then she meets this. She's approached by a certain character by the name of Silent Graf.

I don't know if I hate that guy. Of the Graf family of hyperspace prospectors with a devil that sounded too good to be, too, too, true, Speed Promencer, a new ship, a bunch of credits. You just have to kind of lie a little bit here and there. So there's a lot of back dealings, lying corruption, politics, all that stuff that we love in Star Wars.

The core worlds and corerids were worse than the supposed backwaters. The investors used to be in the Outer Rim. How bad everyone talks about the Outer Rim, but she comes to Coruscant, she says that it's a different way that people kind of get their way. It's not just fighting and killing, it's lying, doing things behind your eyes.

It's not that at least we're upfront when we try to kill you or whatever. We're upfront with it. She's not used to people just going behind everyone's back and lying for everything. And then at the same time, we have Jedi Knight, one of my favorite, Vernetra Ro, Vern, I like calling her Vern, I know she doesn't like it.

She's neat, she loves me, she's fine with it. Her part of one, Inbrick and Taros that we met in Wave 1 in Ates of Corus, also just in Ireland. They've been reassigned from Starlight B from Churusant to help with a family of disputes out there. They don't want to go, you've got to be out there fighting denial, no, not dealing with politics.

They're joined by one of my favorites from Intulidar Master Koma, Vero, Sivairos, his father won with Silas for the Nile. I think we're going to get a lot of Nile in this book. We get a lot at the beginning with Lorna Deish, he's confronting Markey on Bro, convinced him to give him Marissa and Teka for something that she's building out there. Let me see what else.

She's working with Chansa Yaro that we find out is Sylvester's Mom, which was a blow to her. I mean, after all the manipulations, the whole group leaves Corusant, goes to this place called the Verengi sector where supposedly all these shifts are getting pulled from hyperspace and it's a trap. It's a trap. Star was from time to time, the Nile, the Grapp family, Sylvester's Mom, they're all working together for bigger purposes.

Just give me money. I'll give you whatever you want. It's, again, there's a lot of backstabbing politics in a different way, which I wasn't expecting any of that on this book. And then at the end, Subed's Marissa and Teka is communicating with Bernetra.

Every time she goes into her hyperspace kind of visions, which is something great I was interested in, in this book, she dies, Marissa and Teka dies, which then was going to happen to Markey on, right? That's his thing. I have the path. No one else has the path, but he got exposed during the rising storm.

Lorna Dey took him for a fall and now she kind of looks at the upper hand in that situation. What's going to happen with the Nile and that whole structure moving forward is very interesting. So that's a very bad recap of the book. But it's not from the story.

When you read, I wrote the shadows. Did you like the story? Anything you kind of worked on? I didn't like that part or just general thoughts on the story.

I really, really liked it. I did not expect it to be as political as it was. Not that that's a bad thing. Just wasn't expecting that, but it's really working for me.

There were points where I kind of felt like it was moving a little slow, but I feel like the last, especially the last third really makes up for that because it just gets going and when it gets good, it really gets good. But in saying that also, I do still appreciate the, I'll call them the quieter moments because that's where a lot of your character development sometimes has to happen. And that can happen in more fast paced moments, but also if you're just like, you know, she'll un-coruscant, sometimes it works. I haven't read a ton of just, you know, Ireland's work or I hadn't before.

Oh, why am I blanking on the name of the first one? It has a courage. Yes, that one. I always forget the name of it.

I don't know why. It is. I think he's able to bring characters from that previous story and other stories into this. That's one thing that I'm really loving about the higher public is like authors get to share characters and kind of take characters from each other and develop them and then give them back here you go.

What are you going to do with him now? I read this book really quickly the first time and then kind of took my time through it a lot of the second time after I'd done all my reviews and things and I liked it better the second time. Just because you just, you kind of, knowing where everything kind of ends up, you can kind of like pick out the hints and the pieces and like you know what's coming so you can kind of get the hints and you know you really start to hate some characters when you do that. But yeah, I really enjoyed this a lot.

So that's something I need to start doing coming back afterwards after the first time because as I'm reading, I'm taking notes and doing all this mental stuff. Okay, I'm going to talk about this in the podcast. Well, let me write it on the review. So it kind of takes a little bit out of it.

But that's then afterwards you see it and start thinking, okay, this one I didn't like when I read it, I do enjoy it now. We're going back and reading a second time. I usually use this as a reference when I watched Rebels the first time I enjoyed it, but it wasn't okay, it's great. I went back after I knew this story and became my favorite animated show because it's just awesome.

But I'm sure the books are going to be the same because you, okay, I know this story and I can pick out, oh, this is happening here because I was going to happen later. But I had the same thing happen to me that you said in the middle. I'm not saying it got slow, but I think the action in Coruscant was too long because it seemed like some of the points were getting repeated like how many times on silent graph lie and tricks or better we are all to get his way. But at the end, it needs to be because it can be just a one thing, oh, he trick or once and then that's what happened at the end happened.

You get a hate this character. So same thing kind of was a little bit long in the middle, but once you know what's going on and they leave Coruscant and the whole kind of plot is, the whole Nile plot is kind of revealed. It's like, okay, now I get it and you get back into it. Even you went off of it, but you kind of get back into it.

We'll jump into the character soon because I think that's what we're going to be spending most of the time. But I do enjoy that single character. Vanessa Rau is one of my favorites. I love her in, I guess of course, I almost forgot.

I guess of Coruscant. And then when I read her here, I fell in love with her again. It's like my daughter a little bit. It's something fun, that character because I'm just going to jump a little bit into the character and she's this person, not Anna Kim, but this person that's up here, right?

She's the youngest Jedi Knight ever at 16, like she's 17 or 18. And people expect all these great things from her master, Gios, who's the greatest Jedi out there next to her, Christmas, or less, expect so much from her. She's still trying to find herself. And she's like any teenager finishing high school going to college, what am I going to do with her life?

But people expect so much from me. So she's this person that I understand it. You feel you connect with those characters. And she's the one that I just love everything I read about her.

And then again next week with Trash One Towers, she's there a little bit. And she's then a little bit opposite the way some characters look at her. Like, oh yes, I understand how your so poised and you and Jedi Knight already. But there's something about that character that I love so much.

So yes, you know these characters jump back and forth from the books and see other people write them. It's pretty awesome. Same with Komak, which I love and all the other characters that show up. So yeah, I really like this story.

There were some points that, okay, let's move on a little bit faster. But I did enjoy, like you said, didn't do this one as a real political book. But when you bring them, Senator Starros into it, that again, if you read A.S. of Courage, she's Avon Smong, who was introducing that book.

And then you start getting to all these political things, which Star Wars, say what you want about the pre-course, maybe the execution wasn't the best, but the politics inside it is very important, it's very engaging. So seeing it now fleshed out, yes, giving more of that. And of course, it can't just be the chancellor. Yeah, we know about Ina Sol and all the things that she's doing right or wrong.

We got to see the other side. And we saw it a little bit in Rising Storm with some Senator saying we need to build this Republic army out there and she's like, nah, no, we don't need that. And now we see another thing. What is Senator Starros going behind the scenes?

She's not that good either. She's got something. So I want to say what happened. I said, back to Michael, Michael, thanks for being here.

We'll see you later. So anything else about the story before we move into some of the concepts and characters out there that we're introducing this book? I, it's, you know, as all these books have so far, the cliffhanger at the end definitely really makes me wish we had more of these books right now. We'll get there eventually, I guess.

Yeah. So I was going to talk about the Nala at the end, but let's jump into it because it is part of the story. So that big Nala kind of development. So like I mentioned before, Lorna D is talking to Markeon Ro, Markeon and Marceon.

That's a big debate out there. I'll go with Markeon, but that's, Charles Joel said is Markeon. I'll go with him. So she tells Markeon, hey, I'm building this machine out there because the Republic has some of our path engines.

So we're going to find a way to kind of neutralize them. So I'm building this machine with this scientist that I have out there, but I need one path for something and you're going to be doing something else. You don't need Marceon. Take your oracle.

Just give her to me for a little bit. After some back and forth between them, she, he agrees. Okay, just take her, which is what she wanted. She knew that she was going to kill Marceon.

She was going to die at the end and then Markeon Ro is going to get screwed because that's the only way that he's in power right now. This for most of the now, that's how he's maintaining his control. And then there's all these back dealings with the Graf family and with, and with Chancie Yarrow, which is her scientist, of course, is the model for main character Sylvesterie, which I mean, for Sylvester, he thinks that mom died in an aisle attack now, she's been working with them willingly, more or less. It's going to remind me a little bit of, I can believe I forgot the name now.

Galen, also, right? He would go to work with the Empire because they're going to do it without me. I got to try to do something in here. So see, doesn't want to be with them, but really doesn't have another choice.

Although, Kim, I got to do something to keep my daughter safe, but she's still doing it for the wrong reason. Galen was trying to find her weakness. She's still doing it for the wrong reason, but it kind of gave me that a little bit. But then at the end Marisantek has found a way to build this artificial gravity well, to pull ships out of hyperspace, and now Markeon Ro doesn't have his oracle, what he's going to do.

So that, like you said, what's going to happen now with the Nile? Because that's another kind of story within his story is all the things happening out there. You think that the problem is, is that the end of having the same impact. I'm very excited to see what's going to happen out there.

So yeah, I was going to ask that at the end, but what do you think is going to happen with just with the Lord and the Nile, with Markeon and the Nile in general? You think there's going to be more fighting? I mean, there's going to be more. They have a, I wrote it here.

It's not a part of this, not a little murder going on. It's going to be there at the beginning. So you know, there's going to be something where you think out. But what do you think is going to happen?

I mean, somebody's definitely going to die for sure. Who's going to be responsible for that death? Maybe multiple people, who knows? You know, there's this constant struggle for power.

And you know, they're not, they're going about it the way that they know that they can get it. It's not the right way. But you know, that it is a good question of like, what are they going to do now? Because you know, what is their goal if it's to seize control, which is like so many goals of so many different characters in this book and in the hair public in general.

And the more desperate you get when you really want something that you're not getting, or you're not getting fast enough, the more, the more severe your actions are going to be. So you know, we think that we've seen like the worst of the Nile has ever done. And it's going to get so much worse. I don't know what that's going to look like, but I'm a little bit afraid.

It's fine. Yes, because it's, I don't know what's going to happen. I still think that Markey on Rose main battle is with the Jedi. Yeah.

Yeah, the Republic out there, not a stepping stone, but something he has to deal with to get to his end goal with it, which is eradicating the Jedi or making themselves because something happened to him and his family that the Jedi responsible for. And I think we're going to get that in that show soul comic that is coming with way three. Very excited. So I think that's his main goal.

One of the she wants power, but she's one of the few or the only few apart from March and of the Nile that kind of thinks a little bit more. It's not just let's go and kill people and raid and take all the everything that we can. She's so she has some gears in motion. So I don't know if she just wants to take over just to be that leader.

She might have another plan in mind, which again, it's going to might be titled the Republic and getting rid of don't come to the outer ring. This is our place. It's going to be very interesting to see how that plays out if Markey on says whatever, keep the now. I'm going to go with my leveler and take out the Jedi.

Yes, that's scary. Sorry for being in those. It hurts. It hurts so much.

I'm going to compose myself again. No, no. I think you'll go deal with that and say, okay, I'm not going to fight you. You pick now and do what you do.

I'm going to go do my own stuff. I think they're going to separate. That's just me. So we'll see.

Yeah. It's very interesting to see what's going to happen. Yeah, I am really looking forward to Tempest runner. I feel like we'll get a lot more of like what Lorna D is doing and thinking where she's going to go next in that.

And I mean, just audio dramas in Star Wars lately in general have been just fantastic, especially which I lost. So to have another on the way, it's going to be very, very good. Yeah. So Dooku Jedi lost.

I didn't do the audio. I didn't get asked another one. I won't get it. Dooku, it's a good character.

I don't care too much. I finally got it because I wasn't vacation. I got to read some Star Wars. I need something in between.

There was no Harry Potter. Nothing. So let me get it. So I just got that paper back and I blew my mind again.

I got his lightsaber. I spent hundreds of dollars on that. And now I love this character so much that I didn't. I liked him in Attack of the Clone Standing the Clone Wars, but I didn't rotate to him after Dooku Jedi lost.

So hopefully for Tempest Runner, Kevin Scott broke her heart, but it's a great writer out there, he can do something else. And then, of course, for the Republic and the Jedi, in this book and the Harry Potter so far, we're starting a lot of Jedi, starting to get disillusioned with the Order. For the Nest Rites, we should be out there fighting the Noun. Not doing all these kind of, yeah, Attack one group or here.

We got to be more aggressive. And she knows this is in the Jedi way, but then we have someone like Comac Viduz that we met into the Dark that has also had issues with the Order. So it's the Order. It's the Will of the Force.

When they class, what are we doing? So it's very interesting to see now more and more Jedi with that type of mentality and we find in the order or the will of the force You also see that Jedi can get involved with Republic politics that we know this is the problem in the prequels We're already getting to that where Steven Gios the great Jedi master is kind of in the middle of the senator and the graph family Of course if you have money in color, and you're gonna be involved again real life You are middle-worlder that donates because the graph family So like beacon was built thanks to the graph family So we're gonna have some say on what the Republic is gonna do like happens in real life Even if we know it sucks, it's the way it goes. So why are they all ready to get involved in this? So Well, you want to jump to the pace and slap a few people don't do that Because we come at this this is the other great thing about the higher public and going backwards.

I mean start We're just going backwards and telling quote-unquote prequel stories just always works But we know that eventually the Jedi fall because of all these faults and here now in the higher public where we've seen them Quote-unquote like the height of their power and everything is good and everything is great and they're the heroes and now we're already Seeing all the problems and you're like, um, this is this is why it's because of money and power and wanting that influence and thinking that You're right and not listening to other people and you know the Jedi it doesn't end well for them It's not gonna be okay, and um here We are just sitting here watching watching them make all these mistakes and we're like, oh, please don't you? Let's be good mistakes everyone wants money power influence and if we only had someone I don't know Let's say a counselor out there that could have help our poor Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker instead of Yoda trying to read his Jedi master and trying to give counsel to Anakin We're introduced to our character named Master Josiah, which is a Jedi counselor who helps ensure Jedi remain balanced after terrible events And he said that remembering was part of a one dealt with the pain and trauma of disaster Which is 180 degrees what the order of the energy when he's going to terrible events Oh, yeah train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose and Josiah a Jedi counselor that does his job Says no, we have to remember because that's how we deal with trauma of disaster When you saw that there was a Jedi counselor in the high republic did you scream and say why did they get rid of this position in the Oh my goodness like so much of the terrible things that happen later on in Star Wars time could have been avoided if someone Just told Anakin sure you can remember your mom. It's fine I I'm loving um all the time. They're spending on Showing the Jedi and how they're dealing with emotions and how they kind of look at it differently than the Jedi that we know of later Do and there's this whole emphasis on yes, you can feel these emotions But like be mindful of like, you know how that affects your actions and like that But you know because the Jedi of later are like you can't feel anything But why would you ever feel wise and normal?

Yeah, but here it's like oh, yeah, you can recognize those feelings and like feel the things that you need to feel and um that's okay like I I'm really curious to find out like why they changed their philosophy on that like what happens that is so Awful that someone let's just you know, let's just blame you over a quick here What is so pad? What what disaster is so devastating across the entire galaxy that you know, it is like yeah, no We're not gonna feel things anymore. I don't want to jump into hey, Yoda, Ben Wow, a lot of people right now that's again. He did his mistakes.

Yeah, I don't know if he owned them or not But a little bit he went on today go back for 30 years But because I love Yoda and everything he says in the books I think I think still work but yes one of the things that gets me going to the future of every book is like you said What happened to change the Jedi mentality from what we're seeing now cuz everyone feels that force a different way they're open to Relationships feelings what happened to then say no, that's what I'm done now It's this way don't feel anything close yourself off what happened and I can't wait to find out what that's gonna be like two Three years in the future. Yeah, how much pain is are we gonna feel with you? No? Another great thing that this book I mean the high republic has done in general just by bringing different Diverse artists into this is that we get diverse characters and here we have characters are more not just open to relationship in the Jedi but their sexual orientation is different we have openly gay characters in Silver City arrow and Jodana I was a booster with a daughter a spark burn her on and off on again an off again girlfriend We have Vanessa, which is kind of an asexual she hasn't never feel that sexual tension or whatever that people her age feels Which is similar to I forgot his name from into the dark Someone in the chat Really gonna bother me yeah the mighty my kind of guy anyway So he was the same way it's like I don't care love his love I don't feel that sexual connection sexual attraction to and so we're seeing all these characters in Star Wars and it's not a big deal Right?

It's the characters is who they love let's go with the story and it's great seeing this exploring more Which is something that a lot of people into myself and you and most of you are being on this show It's no give us that that's life and of course, it's gonna be that in Star Wars because who cares it's aliens and stuff Right doesn't matter so it's great to see that representation out there So they just this jump right into the character So the main character of this book is this brand new character that Justin Arden brings and it's a best-year Oh, they can see here in the cover just We get into to her she's with her crew needle and I forgot the name of her droid and M22 And they get put out of hyper space and in outcome She mentions I think like a month or two months before she lost her mom to an al attack and they have to escape in this You know escape pod and need to have M22 to go to port Haley and she goes to court center Let them know what's happened well thanks through all this she finds out that her mom is alive That she's working with the now suppose. She's this great scientist. She gets kind of In this game with silent raffes. I'm just gonna take him for a fall to take his money I'll forget a ship out of this but as she keeps going she's like oh man I keep getting more and more into this.

It's not as good as he sounds Then she gets involved in everything's going with the Jedi She really doesn't trust the Jedi because they're not doing anything out in the auto ring really the republic is in no one's listening to her until this guy comes in so Silent I mean so best realler you like this new character anything that resonated with you about her I like her a lot and I like that we can continue like in these books to bring in characters that we know from other stories But also introduce new ones It's interesting to have a main character That's not a Jedi and to also have them like within the story kind of like comment on that and kind of give their feelings on the Jedi and How they feel about that? I I can't imagine what it must be like for her to have such hatred for the Nile for something that She thinks they did and she thinks that her mother was gone because of them and then to find out like oh no My mom is fine, but she's just working for these people that we can't stand That is you know in Star Wars you have to find these different ways to make characters relatable because you know these are people But also it's vacant in space. So you have to find These situations that a reader can kind of look at me like oh I felt that I get that and I mean I have not experienced this exact thing in my whole life but To see like now that she has such a complicated relationship with her mother because of this And you know where do they go from here and to see her mother like continue to do this work? You know despite everything like you know what her motivations and things like that.

I love that She's you know, she has a ship. She's trying to manage all these things, but also she has ex-girlfriend drama So like it's just it's so great to have that in a book like this because like you have all these serious things and then you're like Oh, I used to be in love with her. Oh, no, what do I do now? It's a perfect to make stuff like totally relatable like oh what do I do with this and also like I really need some credits?

You know, I'm gonna try to get some money. So that's one of us we've been there We're seeing people from our past and you're like do I hide or do I confront them? I we talk and it's great in this book when there is no zero stock and then she sometimes before she Say three on either with your dad and she's looking at her nest run even at Santa to start us and she says something and she's distracted Or it might be those tight uniforms or something like that and it kind of okay. I get it It's serious, but it's just our war is we still can have some fun with it But like you mentioned even though we haven't been in these situations like her when she's talking to Joana or to Design this is going and scientists out there telling and she says no no my mom She usually left she would live leave me in this place and then she'll come back a few months after that's what she did I'm like, yeah, what do you think she was going?

It's not you're thinking sometimes you have parents or someone that just goes on a trip They're out for two or three weeks come back You don't know what's going on what their life is outside. So yeah, it's fake in space But it's still relatable. We can still see our parents are not going on building a machine that's gonna mess up hyper space But if they're gone for a month three weeks two weeks and then you start seeing maybe there is problems in the household You don't know what's going on as a younger kid. It cannot still relates to everything Then you can find a character like invest in it.

Okay, I do find myself I find something relatable to this character So it's seems a pretty good not my favorite because again I love her next so much but seeing this new character and where she's gonna go because I was I was she made her mom again Yes, it's not the best But she did what she did because she wanted to keep her safe Is she gonna go with her when she cannot give so that opportunity come with me? You'll be safe here like if your enemies close kind of deal and she's like no screw you I can't believe you're doing this or my friends are dying So it was great to see that she still had those convictions to say no what you're doing is wrong Yeah, you're alive, but my memory of you died that day. So yeah a good character One thing I didn't talk about the story, but cannot have to deal with so best way it's Republic things that is doing the good thing out there But it kind of forgets the people that it affects when she's talking about the buying deal that we met in into the dark It's great that the banking has been dissolved because now they don't have any slave or in debt your services out there But it's in time now the haulers don't have the protection and now they're getting attacked by the Nile So for the main kind of viewpoint. Yes, it's great that they're not longer a thing But for the small people now we're out there on our own with no protection Which is something that we sometimes forget yeah big picture we took care of things But how is it affecting the smaller guy which again is a very real world thing out there right and that's why it was so great to have So that's right as this main character because you're getting kind of her perspective on that And like this is this person who's like not you know not in the Republic or not like I'm not a Jedi doing on the front lines doing All these things like I'm just a person trying to survive and like it's so important to have that perspective because like Stories told from the perspective of Jedi for example are amazing But you also have to have the stories from the people who are not there and who are being affected by all these big decisions that are being made Yeah, and those are some of the characters that a lot of people out there love it It's also in the story right is we'll have a big powers.

We're not Jedi We're not safe or whatever we're the person in the middle trying to figure out what's going on so it's great to have those characters But if you're gonna have to best rearo you have to have someone like silent graph next to her to battle Like as he's a well-dressed wall-mannered conniving swindler out there. He goes to her Oh, you're super sure you are all let me help you you're eating this crap food come back to my place I got some some credits I can throw around and then she gives her this lab is lifetime. She's like, okay I'll take him for a full I see what he wants, but then I'll get my way But more and more he starts involving her in this bigger thing and she unfortunately is already inside She can step back as I can know I'm done So you gotta keep lying I'll get a light to the gel I like to listen at this When you're silent graph, which like I said, hey this character I'm like I said on my written review not because he's a bad written character. It's the other way He did great with this character that I think everyone hates it because you can see it It's like why you bastard and she they look he loves everyone in his room No, it's protection because something have a real line.

We know your line, but whatever. Yeah, so silent graph Okay, and later he comes in with those big clothes kind of exposing everything What were your thoughts on this character when he showed up and all the way till the end because at one point I thought that he was kind of also duped, but not his part of all this since the beginning Yeah, I mean it's I think it's hard sometimes to write a really good villain Because you have to reveal enough about them but also keep as much secret of as you can and also like show their motivations without like showing all of them and like like why is this guy the way that he is why is he doing the things that he's doing and he also he's just There's just so many reasons that he's just not like about like immediately like I can't think of like a specific example at this moment, but he's just like you immediately or just like this He's got something going on and the manipulation just starts immediately and at first You know, she's like, you know, I can do this I can handle this I can manipulate him right back And it'll be fine and by the time she realizes she can't she's like well I just am stuck and that's like that's that's like one of the great things about this villain is like he gets her to that point where she cannot escape and he knows that he has her and To know to know by the end that like he was involved in all this from the beginning should I see it coming? Don't think I did the first time but Man like to have like for the Nile to have allies like so deep in so many different places like he's a very powerful Wealthy person and to have him on their side. That's that's bad news.

Yeah, cuz even since Little de Jedi. I think we learned there that Markey on has as fire and format in the Senate They mentioned on our aid or something they mentioned that Michael get and then maybe there's another spy in right the rising storm When we had Maggie Love it here a few weeks ago. I was talking about the rising storm She said that said Samara Samara that the one that kind of gets with Also, man, maybe she's kind of trying to get information from him who who knows what the motivations might be and now to know that Lorna Dee through the graph family, which is this very important family in the Republic silent They have these connections in the Republic. He's from the paper Starlight be consider some There's something there they can get to the now He wants space in the outer room to I mean in this open space to do his experiments They he gives them a bunch of credits and they keep this relationship going then you bring Chances you are we are going to this building this machine and then I got I had to close the book when I read this because I Oh, man, you know when they say, I remember your aunt Lorna like what Lorna This the aunt of these characters that's suffering so much and her mom's alive and Lorna these are all tense during both in all these I close the book say what come on just the other one so What was your reaction when you learn?

Oh, you're on to Laura now out there. Do you remember? I you know here we go again with all the family drama like we had enough of this with Skywalkers and here we go again No, it's great. It's like you know everyone's on their own side here and You know first to have her mom, you know doing this and then like oh, you know, everyone's against you now It's I was pretty upset.

I'm even so the second time. I was like, oh, yeah, this is not great Yeah, all right So jumping out to vernessar like I mentioned she's I see her almost as a co-leader of this book because we have the non-jedi with So best when you have vernessar as the Jedi that's again having some survival skill from surviving the battle of battle having trouble Connecting with her father when in England helping him can control his power sensing everyone's emotion and like I mentioned before People expect so much from her every time someone mentioned her. Yeah, this is the young Jelena Oh, you're a verness all this and that but she's having some issues and then she goes to Stalin and he's gonna Yeah, you gotta explore that thing that used to happen to you when you kind of went into the cosmic force when we're in hyperspace and kind of See what's that's all about and she's like, no, I don't want to deal with this I can very relatable, but she also has a lot of things going on because she's trying to find herself and do things on her own So she's not going to her old master to tell him hey, I'm having these visions again Hey, I have this like we which I shouldn't have because this design is more kind of dog side She told a bar, but she doesn't tell stand and so there's something there that I can't go back to my past and to my old master to find The answers I gotta go find myself at the same time if you're struggling Look at I'm acting if you're struggling you gotta look for help I'm very scared to what's gonna happen to burn next to my deannelles Oh, yeah, I mean I just made that connection in my head before you said that I mean we've seen already like soon as you start keeping secrets from your master like bad things are gonna happen here We go all over again Yeah, but then what were your thoughts we have a question about it So I don't want to spend too much talking about it now about hyperspace hyperspace is saying that at this point a lot of people Don't know really what it is. He said a wormhole is in another dimension where the Jedi the first one to traverse through hyperspace using the force And then I started thinking about the throne books the ascendancy not the ascendancy the first trilogy We have the grisque that also had a I forgot the memory the Gravity well to pull ships out of hyperspace then we have sky walking which are these chase these female cheese that till they're about 11 or 12 13 They can do sky walking and traverse hyperspace Vernetra as a young I forgot maybe a million She used to be able to kind of lose herself in hyperspace.

She had visions what could she troubles through it She lost it at her earliest same as the chase and how she's getting again So there are these connections from the Toronto G and the unknown regions or well space now in the high republic Did you see this as you were reading it? I did and I want to know what's going on because they keep bringing this back and You know hyper spaces become like you know We've always been like oh, it just it's how you travel faster And and now it's become this whole like oh, you know We're not really sure how it works and you know now people can use money to control different hyperspace lanes And it's like it's become something wait like who would have thought that like hyperspace would become this political like thing that people fight over But here we are I love it. I love because like It's also more incentive like if you've never read the throne stuff with all the skin it This is like a good motivation for you to do that because like it's seeing that connection and like it makes you wonder like why why are we spending so much time on this? But it's a good thing.

I'm very very curious. Yeah, there's also who is it? Killori or something like that in throne that is called a Pathfinder and then Marjio has the path is it all has to be some connection There has to be there are things like this. Just throw down there.

No, all right So I think we're gonna start wrapping it up because I want to get to those questions But before we get to the end so I love like I said master comic videos virus That's a pro not knowing how to say this is a master comic It's one of my favorites from into the dark It's just the way he sees the Jedi order and the force and the relationship and there's some great quotes I love my quotes in Star Wars He says a few things but the Jedi follow the force we are delight and we cannot blindly follow any other edict about that one He knew that being a knight and connecting to the forces. I will have an understanding of the galaxy There's a great deal of space between the will of the force and the will of either the republic of the Jedi order Which I think it's part of why the Jedi of the pre-cultural. They kind of they forgot all that this the Jedi order and that's it but you know there's a lot of He says a great deal of space between the will of the force and what the order and the republic wants I just see love seeing that coming from our Jedi master One thing because just to finish this up I'll let you can finish up talking about how the shadows we talk before in other shows here How there's this colonization aspect from the republic going out there and trying to bring the outer ring to our ways And I talked about this a little bit when we did our into the dark review or guess at that point address Alberts from 60 minutes mentioned how when the Jedi take the idols out of the amaxi station to the republic They think that doing the right thing But that's not yours You don't need to study it at Coruscant So it here and he kind of measures the same reason why Europe and all those places have this great Museums and art out there because they took it from other places are now suffering because they knew better and there's a line early on when komak and wreath Showing in the book that they said oh we're in this planet genet The nettii I think is called they're having this civil war and we just took Create some after crates of artifacts and they said two libraries and a museum worth of artifacts I will bring him back after the war is done And they kind of know after it stayed the government stable will bring those items back and he cannot remind that me of we know Better we're gonna take all this history from you guys But we'll bring him back afterwards and I don't think that's gonna happen I think that's gonna seem the republic is gonna be another kind of Why the outer ring doesn't trust the republic so much and this message of light and hope that they're trying to bring Yeah, it's it's hard because like they are really trying to do what they think is the right thing and they're trying to you know Bring so many different people into this like Feeling of like we're all we're all hopeful we're all together But like they're not going about it the right way and also they're not listening to you know the people like what are the people want? What do the people think is best for them specifically?

It's so easy I think for the republic to think like we know what's best because we are the republicans and we're gonna do this thing that we think is Gonna make the whole galaxy better when it's it's really not and it's not like it for some there is but not for everyone There's no ill intent like they're just trying to make everything better and unfortunately like when you really have your mindset on thinking You're doing the right thing and you're you just don't listen always to people telling you you're wrong and up That's when bad things happen. Yes. I think that's a good way to end it because bad things happen and Finishing up and I know we mentioned this a little bit at the beginning But what do you I don't want to say hope to see what what you think is gonna be the future future high republic stories? What do you think we're going after this?

I mean Starlight Beacon was a great idea You know and it's it's probably a good thing to the galaxy, but let's be honest. It's probably something's gonna have something here We go with the bad things again. It's a I don't think it's gonna make it yeah with that out of that novel for wave three Oh, no, I forgot the name of something I'm falling star. Oh, Claudia.

Great. Please don't hurt me. She's going to anyway. It's fine She'll do it in the best way because we could have a cow there.

Oh, yeah, again I don't know the now have a lot of issues the Republican did you have a lot of issues and the intersect? It's gonna be great out there for wave three and what's coming next so can't wait for it And I think with that we're gonna jump to one my favorite part of the show is when I listen get to listen from you guys You know it's segment rebel thoughts All right, there we go. So rebel thoughts and today we have two late questions that came in today one from your friend You know this guy Eric Ileerson. I'm sorry messing up the name Eric and he asked how do you feel about the continued expansion of hyperspace lore especially the importance of the Santa Fe And the graph conflict so we mentioned a little bit before we talked about the questions about hyperspace and how something as trivial a Cypress face for a lot of a security just one post-acordinates and jump to hyperspace.

So yeah, that's the highway who cares? But we're starting to see that it's not that easy. There's a lot of complications rebuilding all these hyperspace lanes So again, we talked already about that but these Santa Fe have issues the graph family conflict You can join this and again I didn't expect this conflict of hyperspace between to rival prospecting families But what are your thoughts on this this conflict now? Yeah, more family drama.

I love it. I'm here for it. I just had this thought and it's really interesting to me How you know we spent a lot of time in Star Wars like seeing like different sides fight over planets and territories and like you know Forces are on the ground doing these things or you know You're in a specific sector trying to control the whole thing and now there's this whole we can control parts of hyperspace now We can take like you can't get to this part of space unless you know you pay us a fee or what however it works I don't know What is happening like it's it just adds an entirely new layer of like people having the opportunity to do terrible things to other people and to step on each other into assert power over each other and What a great way to do that because again, you know we talked about this a little bit already But to take something like hyperspace, which you know was really no big deal. It's just kind of how Star Wars travel works and now it's like It's just becoming something completely new and it's it's one of the things that makes the higher public feel like This is the stars that we know but also here's like a new element to it that you never would have thought would have been a big deal I don't know who came up with this, but like good job because I just I want any more of this I'm just waiting for the the space will so coming to the What they play in the hyperspace battle Even in rebels it's everywhere what is happening?

So if the progress can and traverse to hyperspace is gonna be a reason and I hope we find it out in the high republic And if we talk about purgos and creatures in Star Wars is a great sacred for next question from Alan my chain and he has I don't know why I got this so here we go so Alan has Targon's char hands and now Volkaz What makes a good Star Wars companion creature and what other domesticated or companion species would you like to see in future books? Great question very difficult. He even said a picture of his cat when he did the question. So thank you Alan So for you guys have the Targons are the four outlines that translated saw keeps char hands of course Ember that's with bail and Volkaz is this cat that I can be so I've got her name.

I have it here. Don't tell me Jordana which I forgot today I forgot to say when Jordana who's your best friend she's part of the Santaica family which comes into this whole conflict But anyway, she has this Volka which is these murder cats out there that's getting lightning from their horns, but they're great Right? I love the book as in this book. Oh, so good like lightning really Yeah, they just murder everyone that's good everyone and even silent graph.

I can hate him too much He has this giant. I wrote it here. So was it a Grant the the Legion's no dog called Plinka that he was funny He wanted people to see it on him because he was a big couch. We all these great creatures in the Harry public so far So I'm loving it.

I love seeing all these creatures in Star Wars Yeah, I I mean if you're gonna have an animal that's already level in Star Wars, you gotta make it giant That's just makes it so much better much better So what makes a good creature companion Star Wars loveable giant and that they can kill someone because it's always someone's gonna try to kill That you know that's true. You gotta have that. I have like a built-in bodyguard. That's like a nice color What but also could murder someone if you did exactly we all don't have money to pay for our own bodyguards We're gonna murder cat So what other creature species that we know if we'd like to see in Star Wars all start even though we've seen some Owls out there in Ahsoka, but they're kind of they're not main So give me a bird some type of parrot or something.

That's really part of the story again Jedi do good. I lost This master that kind of deals with the dark art that Duke was really kind of hangs out with I forgot her name I'm sorry she has these are what are the name of the Alts in Star Wars Convores convores Thank you So she has this convore that she kind of gets a do con gonna be out kind of look after her and kind of use the force to kind of guide her But give me more birds in Star Wars I'm dying again as we a giant parrot Let me say no feathers give it fluffy feathers and of course giant talons to take people and pretend I'm very nice bird out there. What species would you like to see? Okay, so I mean we already have wolves so we know wolves are thing in Star Wars But being a lover of wolves and associated similar animals Give me more give me all the wolf things give me small ones give me huge ones give me I don't know give me all kinds of varieties of wolves.

They're just I mean it meets all your requirements I mean they can be fluffy and cute they can be they can warn you of something going on and then like they have really big teeth So like there's your other component. Yeah giant paws. Yeah, I think we gotta go on So thank them back to every canal and for their question very very cool something different out there today All right, so I think that's that's kind of a wrap. So thank you to you guys on the chat.

Thank you to everyone that's been there helping us Thanks Meg again. We tried to do this last month We got to do it today and we'll do it again in the future about it for people out there Where can they find you and all this stuff that you do? Yeah, you can find all of my things on Twitter at my doll Check out you teeny. I'm especially since we've been talking about the higher public.

We are all over it We have you know, what's the reading order of the higher public? What's what do you need to know? What are the characters? We have all the resources that you might need to find like anything you're curious about in the higher public But also any Star Wars book and know the whole point of what we do there is we want to meet you where you're at in the things You like about Star Wars and introduce you to new stories that you may not have known about and you know Like you said with Dooku did I lost you know take characters that maybe you didn't love in the movies or in any other medium And you know if there's a book about them, you might just follow them So check us out at you teeny.com.

We have podcasts. We have written guys. We have all the things Yeah, that's where you can find me and all the stuff that I do all right So make sure to go fall over there you teens are great place like you mentioned yours I want to know what both these writer wrote or which what should I really find this one you guys are doing great with that The interface of that website. So yeah, go check that out for myself again Radio at radio rebel pod on Twitter and Instagram you can follow us there.

I get a radio rebel podcast website It's on the link tree for my book reviews trying to get that going and again If you watch and it's now later I'm sure to like leave us a comment if you're listening to this on the other podcast it comes out on Monday on all your Podcatchers out there and yeah next week I can actually be our final episode of this season have a lot of fun next week finishing up with where to the Republic and The finale of the bad batch and I think that's it. So thank you Meg. Thank you the chat Thank you again to allan and Eric for the questions and as always stay safe be safe. May the force be with you

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