The Benin's Build on Hook. And welcome to another episode of Radio Rebele, a new Star Wars podcast. I am your host Alba Tocquedira, thank you for joining us on another Star Wars Saturday, and today I'm doing my friend Kono Sitchiti. I think I missed that all, but we'll be fine.
It's fine. Go on, how are you doing today? I'm good. I'm good.
I'll birth it. Yeah, it's completely fine. People mess up my last name all the time, and I'm just at this point where I kind of just... I just don't care really.
So, oh, yeah, I'm good. I'm excited to talk favorite Jedi show. Yeah, I mean, I've been practicing. I knew I was going to get it right.
I thought, and then the bright lights hit me and I messed it up. And I know, because I've been there also with people who just called me by other names. So, I'm kind of, yeah, I'm over it, but at the same time I also give them a hard time. So, it's a quick apologize for messing it up, but people know who you are.
Thank you for being here. Thanks for having me. Yeah, we've been trying to do this for a while. I think twice, we kind of...
Yeah, here we go. And then, light happens and we have to reschedule. But we're here today. We made it.
I'm going to go ahead from the top and start having some internet issues this morning for some reason. Everything seems to be going from the internet to our house, but from the modem, I guess, through the devices is kind of a bit slow. So, hopefully for everyone out there, there's no lag or any issues, but let us know in the chat or wherever. We'll get through this.
But Connor, we're just talking a little bit before. You're going to get us this edge in about a week. Excited about that? Yes, I'm super excited.
I said, I remember saying to friends long before, we figured we were going to go there. So, I'm going there for my birthday, which is the second of April. And so, me and my two sisters, my parents wanted us to do something big. And so, because of this pandemic, we can't really go overseas.
So, our next best option was, let's do Disney World. And so, we're going to Hollywood Studios the first two days, and I want to say, Universal and then EPCOT the next two days each, before I fly back to where I'm at. Right now, I'm just super excited to go because I'm 99% sure. I was supposed to go post college graduation, but I was the 2020 graduate.
Graduate. So, planned.messed up. It wasn't really confirmed, but I'm pretty sure it was heavily implied by one of my, one of my aunts, because I'm pretty sure they asked me. And I'm like, I'm like, some people, of course.
Yeah, so it's just exciting to go. I'm super fun. Yeah, it's a lot. Oh, I'm not sure.
Yeah, you got to record everything first. Let me go ahead and say happy birthday. Thank you. Oh, it's my wife birthday the day after.
So, April 3rd, it's my wife's birthday. So, there's no show next week, because that's on a Sunday. I can be recording on my wife's birthday weekend. So, there's no show next week.
I'm back this week. I take a little break, but very similar to you. My plan for Galaz's age was, oh, I turned 40 in 2020. So, my big 40th birthday, I'm going to start with it.
That's where I'm going. And then the pandemic hit. So, I couldn't go in 2020 either. So, we're in 2021 in the summer, which was a little bit different from what I hoped for, but it was still a great experience.
Hopefully, same for you. And it just got revealed what two days ago, the CalPestis lightsaber. How are you feeling? We talked a little bit.
You're kind of deciding are you building your saver, getting CalPestis still available. So, like, if I had the money for both, which I might but might not, I probably won't do both, but like, I'm leaning towards building my own, because like, that's, I've heard that's an experience unto itself. Yeah. That you just kind of don't get, I could be wrong, but you kind of just don't get that with just buying a legacy lightsaber.
Yeah. And I'm probably, yeah, I'm leaning towards building my own, but like, the temptation to like cancel my reservation and buy Cal's is there. I was, because I was expecting that it would be revealed, it would show up to the parks after. So, when the announcement came in that it would come in March 25th, I was like, darn it.
Yeah. I got a decision to make. Yeah. So, I don't know what time is your reservation and I can't speak to the experience of building your saver because I didn't get to do that.
But if you got time to just go into dark on those real quick, look at the savers, maybe see the Cal in person and then cannot decide. I don't know. But we'll see. Hopefully you get a chance to do both.
We'll be watching on Twitter for that and hopefully you'll get there. Yeah, dude. I'll definitely be recording. I'm probably, I'm like right now, at least at the time of this recording, I'm leaning very heavily towards building my own.
But again, next week that could change completely. Yeah. The force works in mysterious ways. We'll see what happens next week.
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Of course, you see our friend Amy, Amy, Gary, Sarah, saying hi to both of us. Thank you for joining me. Of course, it's that she was going to be here in Mo with her boys. And our friend, you know this guy from Ina Galaxy.
What's going on everyone? And our friend of course, Dale has to be here. Hi, Dale for being here. Who's your favorite fan?
I can say that, Dale. Who's my favorite fan? I don't know. My answer is yes.
Yes, there you go. I'll go with, I'll go with one of you guys. All right, so before we start, virtually, if you guys are ready, I'm not ready. Let's talk Star Wars and Star Wars news.
Star Wars news. Our first bit of Star Wars news has to be with a little cover that dropped a few days ago. Shadow, that's it by Adam Chris of a drop. It's covered during the Star Wars show, I believe this past Wednesday.
And you saw there, Luke Skywalker, Lando Calvrizion. And we still just see it. It kind of looks like Ochi, but it's not Ochi. It kind of has longer hair.
Seems to be holding a lightsaber, a red lightsaber, I should say. Cone hour before we jump into the cover itself. Were you excited for Shadow the Sith when it was announced? And then this cover when it dropped, it's also a little extra.
We might talk a little bit about, first thoughts on Shadow the Sith and the cover. So in terms of being excited for the actual book before the cover, I was pretty excited, not super excited because I sort of promise I'm trying to keep before myself is just, I'm just going to probably buy exclusively high republic books and comics for like the next few years because A, money, and B, shelf space. But the second this cover dropped and the X-Star, which I read, which I normally don't do for Star Wars books. It's tempting, Albert, so I might get this book.
Yeah, I'm right there with you in that I started reading Star Wars books with a new canon. But then really focusing this past year on the high republic. And then there's so much stuff out there that is almost impossible to keep up with everything. So when they say, yeah, Harry public, phase one ends now early in 2022.
And then we're going to be gone till October. So it's like six, seven months with no Harry public. What are we going to do? And then these three books got announced.
Pala one, brotherhood and Shadow the Sith and like, oh crap, and it's way more books. And there's a few I'm going to be, I don't know, but Shadow the Sith, when I read the description of what the book was going to be, that really intrigued me and then discovered, knocked it out the park. And yes, I'm getting this book when it comes out June 26, I believe. And you mentioned an excerpt and that you said, I stopped reading excerpts probably two years ago.
I used to read them and I decided I just want to go in fresh and not know what's going on. But this excerpt dropped and they got spoiled for me. We're not going to spoil it here just in case people are having read it. But sorry, okay, of course, he has to correct me.
June 28th, not June 26th, it's when it comes out. Thank you. Yeah, I know. All right, so he just wants to come back to the trivia.
I'm going to talk to you about that in a minute. But anyway, so the excerpt dropped, I know what happens at the end. A very big reveal that I wish I didn't knew, but without spoiling anything. Well, take us through your experience reading that excerpt.
I'm not hoping it's early on in the book. So even though I know what happens, I hope it's early, which I think those excerpts are usually pretty early on. But what were your thoughts going through that excerpt? So going through it, I was not 100%.
Just like this entire week, we said I said it in the pre-show, but just this entire week, my body was just not cooperating with me for whatever reason, but I'm getting like, pretty much good now. So when I went through that, I wasn't really like picking up on a lot of things. And then I got to the end and I was like, wow, it was one of those moments in Star Wars, where it was just like, you got to it and it's just instantaneously holy crap. Everyone that's ready and they just posted online is how it just almost changed the lives, just reading those few paragraphs, I guess.
So I don't know, I might cave, I'll try to hold on. So I was thinking about it this way yesterday. It's like, I watch movie trailers, I don't mind watching movie trailers. It's an excerpt kind of like a trailer for a book, so maybe I should read it.
I don't know. We'll see. Yeah, right. All right, so our friend also, Otis here, how you doing?
One of those strange weeks. Yeah, he's not one of our guests, but he'll be back soon at some point. All right, so yeah, so the shadow of the seat, but Adam Christopher later in June 28th, which is a little bit closer to my birthday. So I might buy that a little bit early as a birthday present.
Can't wait for that. So yeah, Ochi, Luke looking for C-Heart Effect with Lando, who knows if Lando's looking for his lost daughter, how he's going to connect to everything we know from right to Skywalker. I heard someone wrote on Twitter, maybe that mysterious seat on the cover, it snokes all the apprentice. I don't know, there's a lot.
There's a lot. So we'll see. All right, so if you guys out there, just let us know on the chat if you're excited for this book. And if not, then just find the small books coming out.
But the reason we're here today, we talk to Fran Konner is to talk JNI, I know her favorite JDI, so let's go ahead and talk some JDI. All right, a little bit longer than I usually make my interest, but I had to get all those JDI, they're gonna finish up with Kalk, we just talked about it a little bit before. All right, so Konner, this is a topic that actually you pitch to me when we're trying to find something to talk about. You basically talk about favorite JDI, and I've talked about favorite, or some of our favorite JDI, I mean, master and apprentice, pairing here in the show, we haven't talked specifically about our favorite JDI.
So I wanted to ask you, what is it about that JDI that calls to you, and then what are some of the characteristics I think? What do you look for in a JDI that makes them connect with you? So this is a sort of twofold question for me, because it really the two, oh, we're getting Yoda. He's in my top three overall, or top four overalls for the worst character.
I love that little green heart. The old green friend. When it comes to what makes a JDI so awesome for me, I gotta go back to fall in order and the High Republic, because fall in order really helped me get into the JDI as an individual, and High Republic really got me into the JDI as an organization. So when it came to fall in order, that was really my first, like, not big JDI story that I got into, but like my first, I don't know what the right word is, but I really just got a lot out of JDI fall in order as a JDI story that I never really got from the prequels or any of the other stories before that, really otherwise, not chronological wise.
And so just seeing Cal's journey as he reconnects with the force, he confronts his past in the form of the Dark Vision of Master to Paul, his own master that he's killed on the cruiser during Order 66, which I really liked, and I will say before, I didn't like his Daphne, his Daphne was really good. I liked when he was 16, too. Yeah, that's what people are gonna take away from this. Yeah, I like Order 66, actually.
No, it's just, I remember going into that game, I thought for some reason, we're gonna see Cal at the temple, 24, 66. So like the fact that they did it on the cruiser, and the fact that they were gonna go to my Gito to help out Kiyate Monday, was just wonderful, wonderful tie-in to Revenge of the Sith. But just I think just sort of his character being so unique for who he is as a Jedi, we've never seen a Jedi really gradually reconnect with the force in a way that he does, he's pretty confident in himself throughout his journey, and that's something we don't usually see, it's most Jedi are pretty unsure of themselves at the start, through the middle of their journey, and then by the end of it, it's like I'm a confident in my abilities as a Jedi, and with Cal, it was the exact opposite. And it's just such a simple switch, that's just also super unique.
And his master, Jarrod to Paul, I also really liked his sort of unique philosophy on the force, and just like how he viewed it, and just how he saw his view of it in those in the flashbacks, in those training sequences, which were just really, really good. I think honestly my favorite one probably has to be the Force Ball scene, because it helps remind Cal that the force is really connected to him, both within him and around him. And I think that's just probably the biggest reminder a Jedi can have during their journey, is that like whenever they feel, if they ever have a crisis of faith, or what have you, I think being reminded that the forces within everyone, and within everything, and that like you're connected to it, I think just helps them sort of form a luminous bond with it, that like doesn't really happen with many other force users, mainly Seth, because Seth or they try to use it as a tool. Yeah, what's surprising to you how a video game character, or a video game story, I should say, connected, just with you, with so many people out there that gravitate to not just Cal, but with the second sister, and how much you're going to connect with that story, because a lot of people say, yeah, it's a video game, whatever, yeah, it's canon, but the movies and TV series, what counts.
Well, this is a character that kind of transcended in myself, which haven't played the video games, I watched the whole cutscenes, because you told me once, I think when I was in season two, I was coming, we were speculating about what Jedi's going to come to save Grogo. I think you tweeted, I mean, I just watched the cutscenes, so you know more about Cal, and just watching that, like, oh man, this is a great story. Did you surprise you that a video game story kind of just took off? For basically, all of that was fun, I'd never seen anyone kind of talk bad about Cal or anything in that game.
No, I mean, either, and it kind of surprised me. Actually, it doesn't surprise me. Honestly, yeah, kind of, like, I knew it. So I will say the top, I think, three things.
The top three predictions I had. No, top four, or top three, I can't remember, but I had like three to four predictions before the game released, and it was one of them was like, I didn't really, for some reason, and I don't know why I didn't think this. I don't know why I thought this. I didn't think the story would be as character-driven as it is.
I don't know why I was thinking that in like September of 2019 or whatever, and so this is one of the most character-driven Star Wars stories I think we've gotten, because, wow, I don't know about you, Alberto, but I remember going through the story the first time, and my mind basically forgot 99% of the time that like, oh, yeah, we're going to get a holocron because we're going to restore the order. I just didn't care. I was so invested in the relationship between Cal and Sier, Cal and his former master, and then like that little something that was kind of there between Cal and Trilla, and Cal and Marion, obviously. And so I was kind of surprised that this character kind of transcended Star Wars storytelling for me, because I didn't really expect, I knew I was going to like him.
I didn't expect him to get to my top two or three characters, like at all. Welcome back to Kale. I'm so thankful for that. I'm so thankful for that.
So we all thought, and I'm sure we'll come back to Kale. Let me say hi to my friend Harry, she says hi to him. I'm from Emperor Holocron, saying that Jedi for the Nord, this is the best star wars content since we went to the Sith, and I know a lot of people think that way. So again, this not just a story, but a whole game, the whole story kind of just transcended everything.
I will see a lot of respect to that. Yes, here. Yeah. Like her crisis of faith, and just Deborah Wilson's acting in that game is just phenomenal.
I think one scene that stands out to me is after you leave Dathomir for the first time, and Cal is just really sad about having to relive his past, about the fact that he was told by his master via his internal thoughts that he is, he isn't a true Jedi. And like just Deborah Wilson's acting in that moment, where she just is like screw it. I'm just going to tell you what happened between me and Trilla, just the full truth. Yeah, that was like heartbreak.
Yeah, that scene was something. But yeah, we can spend the whole day talking about it. And again, I'm sure we'll come back to Cal in a minute. But you mentioned then that the Harry public kind of made you look at the whole Jedi, I guess the whole order in a different view.
And I'll give you a chance to expand on that, but I'm kind of right there with you. I'm said so much out of the Harry public right now, it's kind of my favorite era, and that Jedi inside the Harry public might be some of my favorite. But it's all because of how they all connect together and what, like all that point where, yeah, in the movies, we see the order but not really, just sitting around in the council with a few holograms, you know, that's doing his stuff over there. So they're not really connected.
And we just follow two, because that's the nature of storytelling for the movies. But here, there's such a huge gamut of characters that we can connect with a bunch of them, but then seeing them work together and the good and bad on the Jedi order, it kind of gets pushed to the forefront in the Harry public, which is some of my favorite thing. So yeah, I kind of understand that part. So what was it about the Harry public in general that kind of gave you that different insight I guess into the order?
So it's fun because I almost didn't get into the hyper public. And it wasn't out of any hate for the era. It was the fact that right now, at least it's just books and comics. And I like to call myself a slow reader, but I think the Harry Republic is the exception to that.
Because I like it's the Harry public. So I just didn't think I would get through. I wouldn't have any time or the finances to really get all the books and comics that came out. And I own pretty much all of them.
I think I just need to get Tempest Runner and the Harry public volume three when that comes out in April. But I decided after watching the live stream, like the day before there was a live stream star work. I did the day before the High Republic launched. And I just thought, and after that, I was like, screw it.
I'm getting the light of the dark. I just got into the dark. And I read all of them, read the comics, and just seeing the big thing for me. And I'm slowly going through light of the Jedi again.
I just want to kind of do like a like a sparse, not complete reread of phase one, but like a sort of sparse one. Because like the adult books, I usually forgot what happened in them the most. Because of just how big of a scale they were. Like the big, the two big things I really, really, really loved organizational wise from the Jedi in this era was the fact that they're, they deal with their emotions in a very healthy way.
Like the big example that I always go to is Rise and Storm Elzar says to Stella. And after he struggles with the dark side, he's like, I need help. Like that's a big thing to say for a Jedi. But it's equally as big that selling doesn't reprimand him.
But instead is like, okay, it might as help you. That's what I'm really like. Let's work through this. And it's just, it's beautiful, man.
I just, I love that the order in this time is just so open to being aware, openly aware of their emotions and just aware of, yeah, some of these emotions can go down dark paths. But if we control them these right ways and don't really suppress them, but we don't ignore them, but we like not perceive them as the right word, but sort of understand them and realize that they're a part of us. They can be, we can control them. You can't suppress something 100% because it's going to come back the bite, yes, some ways, some for.
Yeah. I don't remember, I don't remember exactly, but there's a passage in Midnight Horizon when Cantam is talking about emotions and letting go. And he says something, yeah, a lot of Jedi things that I've repressed, just were getting about them for him, it's a total opposite. They're understanding and then, yes, I need to let my parloungo, because I can be there for her right now.
So I'm letting go, but I'm still with her, but I'm letting her not choose her path, but she has to do this on her own. So yeah, and I think it's in the writing store more, so they talk about, yeah, there's a Jedi counselor somewhere. It's like, yeah, we needed that. What was that position in Revenge of the Sith when poor Anakin goes to Yoda, which I love.
I love Yoda also, and I don't know if people take that scene when he can't, Anakin is kind of confessing to Yoda what he's going for. He's like, yeah, yeah, just forget about everyone, learn to let go of everything you fear to lose or something like that, which is one of my favorite lines. It's like, dude, he's stopping it up to you, he's looking for something else. And we see that, like you just say between Elsa and Steven, it's like, yeah, come on, we'll get you the help.
And even the middle grade boots, because the first one I read was a test of courage. And it ends with Vernet's talking to Skier, so Skier, oh, he went to the dog side, we lose him. And Skier goes, no, falling to the dog side is not a one and done thing. It's choosing the dog over and over again.
So that's from middle grade lines. It's one of my, like, this book is for eight years or whatever, or third graders, fifth graders, I'm loving that. And then everything with Laddo the Jedi, Rising Storm into the dark, which is my favorite of all getting to that. But yeah, the way the Jedi hear, build their emotions, build a relationship with attachments, good and bad, because one of the things I love about the Jedi, I mean, high republic, is that some Jedi understand that the way they connect to the Force is different, that what the Jedi order might be telling you.
Like, eh, attachments, this depends how you look at them, because on one end, the Jedi order tells you, yeah, someone died, they're one with the Force, but we gotta move on. And then into the dark, one of my favorite reasons when all my car talking is like, no, I talk about his master that died when they're in the moon trying to save them. Oh, and I gotta leave my master here. I can't even very hurt this person that was there through my formative years, was my parental figure, now she's dead, and I just gotta forget about it.
What, that makes zero sense. And of course it makes zero sense. And that kind of goes all the way to how he ends in, in a horizon when... Dude, the way...
Yeah, the way flash was insane. Like, you go from, okay, okay, can we talk spoilers? Yes, everyone here, that's not caught up with, me in a horizon and everything, I'm probably looking at you out if you're still here, you gotta finish it up in a couple of weeks. You might talk to them spoilers about it.
Before we do, let me say any gera is highlighting high republics, shows how even at their brightest they die, I saw it from cracks and floss, I grew to, to do them then, correct. And Harry is also saying that they have republics so bittersweet, because you see how good the jedi can be while simultaneously watching it fall apart, now we're also muting, because it's not caught up. We'll let you know when we finish. All right, so go ahead.
Yeah, spoilers for the show, guys, man. Dude, like, okay, I think I got, I actually think I got almost spoiled on one of your tweets, because I saw you posted a Canon Jarrish, oh, it's fine. Oh, yes. The Canon Jarrish, Jeff.
And I'm like, oh, what does this mean? And then I got to it, and I started to bottom my eyes out, and it reached Silas night in ceremony. And then just go back, minus is like, see, you're like, what? There's no way you can't do this to me, Daniel.
Yeah, that was something, I'm going to say now, I don't, when I don't know how to go about this, we're doing a top five, top three favorite jedi, we're just talking about it. But Komak and all around my list of favorite jedi, first to third, fourth, I don't know. But I always connected with Komak from into the dark, and everything he went through, the way he viewed his connection to the fourth, and the order and all that. And when we get to Midnight Horizon, that scene, the 19th ceremony of week, was one of the most emotional things I've read, and that's why I tweeted out, oh, jedi 19th ceremony is so emotional, or something like that.
And they do the whole thing, Yoda's there, Canton, by the will of the fourth, I always forget what it is, but then he causes his braid, hands in his lightsaber, which again, from falling in the star, we also have a staill and giving his lightsaber to Elsa, so I'm really emotional when that happens, hands in his lightsaber and said, I'm done, I'm not taking a break, I'm not coming back, I'm done with the order and just spits out, we don't know what the hell happened, it's like, what the hell? It can make sense for his arc, but I wasn't expecting it to just happen there, it's like, crap, we just saw the first of the fall of the fall into any, or the last two ends, it's like, ah, so yeah, that was that. That was something I hadn't thought about that. Yeah, I'm, I'm, oh, that's it.
That's it, that's the first one. So I know, I don't know. I don't know now because I just get this sense of stories not done yet, so I don't think, so I get where you're coming from, I get why you think, like, oh, Comac is probably one of the lost, one of the lost twang, but like, with the way the high republic's just been going, yeah, I'm too, I'm gonna hold off for on, I'm gonna hold off on that. But I don't know.
Yeah, if Olaf was still alive, I think maybe not, I think losing Olaf was kind of the last throw. So I think he had a special connection, a special bond with her. You know how he was, he wanted to freakin' leave Corelli and go to, to, to help her in the foreign service. He felt that something was wrong.
And so now when, ah, started like beacon falls, he lost Olaf, he lost that connection. Someone I think he could really be open with. I think that was the last throw and he's gone, he's not coming back. Hopefully I'm wrong because I lost Olaf, which was one of my favorites.
Now I lost Comac. If they touched Bernesra, I'm done with the high republic, but I think he's gone. No, no, I'm, I'm, I'm with you. I just think that like, I wouldn't be shocked if we get some more story with him in phase three, which I hate that I say, I'm saying in phase three, not phase two.
I know that's fine. Yes, we're gonna be like a year and a half, then we get back, I think, to those characters. It's gonna be hard. It's gonna be difficult.
They have a very big undertaking with phase two, with coming up with characters that are gonna make us care as much as we do with everyone. I mean, they just did it with phase one. Brand new characters, we connected with them pretty quickly. Hopefully they can do it now that we're going back 150 years or whatever it is.
I didn't wait another year or whatever to get back to the characters that we know and love. But I don't know, very excited for it. But all right, let me just, let me right here. Let me, we're done with sport this for now.
Okay, cool. All right. Well, oh, the high republic, so just because I just love the high republic. I mean, I don't know if you get this way, Alberto, but I almost always, I almost always view the high republic in a vacuum that I most, most times I forget that like, this is before the prequel and this is gonna precipitate their downfall.
So I'm just like, hell yeah, high republic, John, I really best. And then it just hits me like, oh, wait, no, yeah, we're going to a prequel. I'm trying cause what leads cause we see Yoda again, no spoilers. I mean, for the end of minute horizons anymore.
But we see where Yoda is and kind of his mentality right now in the high republic to where we find that they're like order 150, 200 years for the Phantom Menace. What happened that made them kind of switch? There's no more attachments like you mentioned. There's a lot of no, no, no, no, just right now that pretty open.
What happened that kind of cuts that off? So I'm really interested to see what it is. I'm thinking the levelers, man. I'm thinking the levelers are going to be a big part of what happens to the order.
Theory time. This is like, this is a, this is something I just want because of what Marcheon did. But like also, I think it, um, I think it could really, really, really work in the context of showing the Jedi's downfall. I think Marcheon's gonna get killed in phase, like near the end of phase three by one of the Jedi, and that's really just going to signify their downfall.
And the person I'm picking for that is Belle. I mean, he has probably one of the most kind of, yeah, if someone's going to kill him, it's Belle. Oh man, I don't, I don't even want to talk about it. Actually, I just need to put that out there.
Yeah, I mean, it's a good choice. It's one of those characters that you could say, yeah, I see him kind of going down because of what happened to Lorde about the other side. He's also a sweet, sweet kid that you don't see him going that way. But I mean, that's what works great with Star Wars.
I don't know. I thought that by the end where we are now in the high republic, again, without spoiling, I thought Lorde was going to have a little bit more to do towards the end. I know right now she's in the comics, didn't with Ava and all that. You haven't read Tempest Runners, I won't spoil anything.
Oh, yeah, that way. I've read it. Yeah. Okay, sorry.
All the way, Tempest, you want to kind of play right after writing Storm and Out of the Shadows, I thought, okay, Lorde is ready to step up and take over the Nile, and then let all the Jedi, she's not there. She's with Ava doing whatever. So I'm very surprised to see what happens with that. Ah, so yeah, Amy's reminded us they lost when he happened.
We don't want to be the part. I'm pretty sure we're going to know like two of them. Yeah, so let's jump into, let's finish out with the Harry Potter Jedi before moving on. So you've grown pretty close, I guess.
I don't know, that's right where you put it, but with Kiff Trennis, one of your favorite out there is had a great Twitter thread that got, not Twitter thread, great write up that you did, I got highlighted in Kevin Scott's, I believe, right, Kevin Scott's, um, yeah, like newsletter, which is not going to be. I'm sure. So I'm one, I said here multiple times. I haven't followed the comments.
I've only done a few of that specials. Like I did most of the temple peak, the IOD storm two part, that temple peak. I love Tayorik. I hope she comes and we see more with her.
And then I did, I always write the name, the one with Emoryk and Trello Shadows. Trello Shadows. Yeah, which is another great talking about levelers. So I did those three.
So I haven't kind of followed everything with Kiff, I don't know what's going on, but I know if Trennis is one of your favorites. So why I guess it's the question. So, oh, basically, so I consider myself a very visual, person when it comes to stories. So when I read letter to the Jedi and I read a test of courage, and most of them are a decent part of Into the Dark, I want to say.
Why did I? Oh, I started Into the Dark pretty late in terms of like wave one. But yeah, because it's books, I'm just not great when it comes to visualizing people, even though like literally Burry, Avar, and Elgar are on the cover of letter Jedi. I still would just not like, it'd still be hard for me to visualize like them in certain scenarios.
So when I read issue one, and I maintain that issue one, honestly, issue one of the main high Republic comic for phase one is, to me, at least the best introductory issue and probably the best single issue of Star Wars storytelling. Like, Kiff just jumped off the page for me and I do not say that lightly. Just like being able to sort of see her inner thoughts as she's trying to like pass this test that her master put out for her. She's trying to also save, she's also trying to like save Star like beacon from this like infestation that comes through that she senses.
And like the final like four pages or so are just phenomenal because like she thinks she's done with the owner. She thinks she's getting kicked out and she gets knighted and it's just so emotional, man. It's probably the best knight in ceremony I've seen. Okay, just Amber.
Yeah, again, we know, knighting ceremonies, there's something about them. So yeah, I'm sad that I heard it's just phenomenal. You have to, I highly recommend it because like she really goes through a lot, but like she still maintains like this resilient hopeful and pretty humorous attitude throughout it. So yeah, and just by following people like you and some others that have gravitated to this character and kind of go through whole journey and we see on Twitter and all these stuff, having tried away from them.
We see now by the end how she's standing up to Avar and everything that's happening over there on this search for Lornadis. So you can see this growth in time wise in terms of the, I would probably spend like a year or so I think since they started, maybe a year and a half story-wise. Two years I want to say? Yeah, more than that.
Which is so insane to think about it. Like what I logically want all this takes place. Yeah, a lot of things have happened in the in the galaxy in those two years and some people in the in Kuro Center are still like, yeah, that's an auto-ring problem. Like dude, the Valo Fair, the Takahans Head South, now this, I mean, I horizon, they won't come to their core.
That's nothing is happening on on Corellia anyway. So just finishing up with the Harry Poly data real quick before jumping to others. So like I mentioned all the journeys and all one of my favorites for the same reason that Koma became one of my favorites is just the way that they have that kind of, do I follow what the data order tells me to do or do I follow my connection to the force because that's what really matters and half that kind of how do I balance this? And then she goes way seeking and I love that we got her back on for sure into the in lack of the data.
I mean in falling star will lose her. But the way she confronts Stella and kind of bringing down her peg or two kind of dude who are you without the order you're just this isn't you. This is a mantle that they just kind of put on you to be the face. You're not comfortable here and all this.
And then the way it ends we think I know who I am and saving everyone. You're killing me. But I just love her whole story and I again said that it ended that way. But I just love that character I'm into the dark to hear.
And it was great also then seeing Cantam in Midnight Horizon kind of talk a little bit about his days as a way seeker. So we see what that really is. And then and she might be my favorite is Vernestra. I fell in love with Vernestra.
I call her Verne. She doesn't mind if I call her Verne. I know some people don't like she doesn't like with me. Like I said, I taste of courage the first Harry probably bull that I read.
I just very in love with that character. And I'm very interested to see how she's gonna respond now without Stella and there which was her master, which they didn't have the greatest relationship. But I still think that she wanted to don't have closure or something with him because she kind of feels that maybe he pushed a little too quick to become the youngest Jedi Knight but she wasn't able to open up to him to talk about her lightsaber whip. And she did to Avar and I think she still wanted to talk to him about and the vision that she's having hyperspace and she never got a chance to.
And now that's Dennis going I want to see how that affects her. Now she has this connection to Marissa and Tecca and the path and everything that's going on. Who's she gonna talk to? How is this gonna affect her?
So I'm very very interested to see what happens with her. But right now she's one of my favorites. I love her in Out of the Shadows. In addition to the Sasters, she was okay.
That book is not my favorite but very interested to see what happens to her in Phaestory. So you mentioned Belle a little bit. You talked about Keith, any other Harry Polygata that jumps at you? Um, Reth.
He's basically me in Star Wars Yes. Yes. Archives person pretty big into history and he has like, one of my favorite lines in Midnight Horizon was uh, Reth decided to, I think it was like Reth decides to neutralize him like the problem of crushes by like having all the crushes and I'm just like, this man is down horrendous and I feel that. So he just loves everyone.
He sees a girl, I'm in love, I get a crush. I'm I'm I fluted? I don't know probably. I just love her.
It's like dude. Chill. Yeah. So I'm not that like, yeah.
So like I feel his pain there. But like, I really liked his arc in, um, into the dark and now Midnight Horizon. Yeah. Um, so he's another one.
I think pretty much like all the high republic Jedi I really like. Just pretty much every single one of them. The ones that will okay, like the main ones. Like there's Jedi that like I have no, there's like, there was like a quiz that someone put out on Reddit where it's like, name all the high republic Jedi.
This should be easy. There's 108 of them. Oh, I don't like what? Wow.
There's no way I could name all of them. No, neither. I'll point that they once they cover and then let's recover it. Yeah.
All right. So moving away from the high republic, who was the first Jedi that you kind of fell not fairly enough? Well, you're the first Jedi that you said, yeah, that's my favorite. That's a great question because it was honestly Cal.
Um, because like I never grew up with Luke Skywalker. He was never like the central hero figure that he is with many people as their childhood hero. So I never really cared for him. And like, I still kind of don't care for him.
So like, when I get, when I get his, I get his impacts, I totally understand why people are like big on him. I just don't really feel it. Um, so yeah, I just was like, from what I can remember, probably my favorite Jedi was Qui-Gon. Yeah.
And I think Qui-Gon was always my favorite because A, it's Liam Neeson and B, he had my favorite lightsaber hilt design before fall in order because like Qui-Gon's hilt is just so simplistically awesome. Just love the word. And so I never really, as a kid, I always just cared about the big action scenes. I never really cared much about like the philosophy of the order.
So it's just interesting going back and viewing Qui-Gon and we'll say Obi-Wan in a sense Obi-Wan, but like mostly Qui-Gon as like a sort of maverick of the order. Yeah, he was always my first one and he was pretty like, he was always pretty up there. But just through, again, through fall in order, I've just been kind of like revisiting the Jedi of like the prequels and everything. And it's like, do I really like this character now and that is like kind of know what their headspace is.
Yeah. Yeah. It's, I think Qui-Gon, the reason I like to really came out and I'm sure a lot of people, it's the first time we get to see like a real Jedi Master in action. Because we really didn't see anything with Obi-Wan in the real trilogy.
Yeah, Luke was a Jedi, he wasn't a master, but Qui-Gon is the first time you see a fully formed Jedi Master kind of kicking ass and doing everything that we always played with. So I understand why a lot of people kind of connect with him. I'll tell you the first Jedi that I love was Luke Skywalker. So shut up.
He was the only one, right? Yeah. So I was born in 1980s. Of course the old reality was my Star Wars when I grew up and he was the only Jedi so I kind of gravitated to him.
So always, every time I was as well, you know, Jedi, you're a Sith, lightsaber, a dark side, I always threw all my Jedi like my father before me because he's a great line and because Luke Skywalker was the only Jedi. So that was my first kind of favorite Jedi and then the prequels came out and yeah, I like them but they didn't kind of reach Luke Skywalker's status. I don't know what happened probably five, ten years after they came out, Kenobi just kind of took off and he became my favorite Jedi in general. So right now, Kenobi is my favorite one followed closely by those high Republic Jedi.
Well, yeah, Luke Skywalker was the first one but then thanks to everything, rewatching, I guess the prequels and with the Clone Wars then Obi-Wan can always became that guy for me. It's no longer Luke. Now I see all the flaws that he had, yeah, the whiny key or whatever. So I don't know, there's something else Kenobi that gravitates, makes him my favorite Jedi.
He suffers a lot and still goes to the light. Everything that happened in the Clone Wars, of course, losing Satin, losing Anakin and then the battle with Maul in Rebels, which is one of my favorites and then he just holding him at the end. Hey, I got you, bro, don't worry about it. Something about Kenobi just kind of got ingrained in me and that's why I'm excited for this show to come out in a couple of months.
Well, yeah, if I have to go talk about the other three of you, I'll be a little bit prequels, I guess. Look, it used to be that first one but then he just gone down to probably about five or six right now. I think he always that first one. So yeah, that's kind of where I stand.
I think another character for me is Yoda. I think I got introduced to him through the prequels. And so I just really liked how, as a kid, I was just really a big fan of his whole hermit status but also the wise old sage teacher and just like the lessons he has in Empire Strikes Back Alone, just everything he says can still be applied today, both in fandom and just in real life. And it's just, I love his timelessness and just his arc that he pretty much goes through from Phantom Menace, movies wise, like we see a whole arc of Yoda from Phantom Menace to to Last Jedi, where it's like he kind of never really realized the faults of the order.
He kind of just still stuck to those ideals until I want to say Last Jedi, where he was like, yeah, they kind of mean like we need it, we need it, we can't lose Rey. But I have to, I have to rewatch that scene but there's like a change there with Yoda. Yeah, it might be nice to know. Yeah, a lot of people gravitate to that scene with Luke and Yoda about their favorite Yoda moments, stuff like that.
But like you said, Empire Strikes Back Yoda is my favorite, I think that whole scene in Degoa might be some of my favorite scenes in all of Star Wars. Everything that Yoda says through there in there to Luke makes 100% sense. And I buy every word that he says and that's why, yes, this is why I want to be a Jedi if I could, everything that Yoda says here. And to me, that's the most kind of four centric movie.
And a lot of people say also Last Jedi, which is fine. We're just not seeing Degoa back kind of before now the High Republic and all that. That's what the Force was and it just so powerful still 40 years after. And then it's just a progression I think to the Yoda we see in the Last Jedi, which yeah, it's a little bit different that we are what we grow beyond and our students are the greatest teachers ever.
I mean, Yoda is freaking Yoda. It's one that sometimes doesn't pop. When we talk about Jedi, at least for me, I can't, my favorite Jedi are this and that, but just Yoda and the Empire Strikes Back and even though Last Jedi is in my favorite movie, that scene with Luke, you can't deny how impactful it is. So yeah, I get it.
All this adding that also can always only be a few Jedi who can be corrupted. He's the best. I agree. Amy said I was never a huge look fan either, even as an 80s kid.
Leia and Panet made me feel like they were cooler things to be than a Jedi. I mean, Leia is a pretty good, Leia is a pretty good, snapping stone there. He's a pretty good, pretty good example of that. So, okay.
So let's start wrapping up a little bit before we go to some of our fan, not question, but fan thoughts on their favorite Jedi. Anyone else? I'll just drop in real quick, name dropping, I should say. Kainan also became one of my favorite Jedi when I did my rewatch of Rebels.
His whole arc is so great. Kainan became one of the best Jedi in my eyes. So he's also in that kind of top five, I think top five, top six, Kainan Jedi, also. Anyone else before we jump to Rebel thoughts?
I gotta go with Ezra. Yeah. Oh, cool. Yeah.
I mean, I'll go with Kainan too, but like, I'm also going through Rebels like really slowly, because I was going through it pretty briskly. And then once the trailer came out for Kenobi, I was like, all right, I gotta start rewatching movies and some of the Clone Wars. So yeah, I really liked Ezra's arc. And again, I've said it before, probably on social media, but if it weren't for Kal, Ezra would probably be my favorite character in Star Wars.
I just love his arc. Who else? Rey, obviously. Just her arc is phenomenal.
There's something about Kainan and Ezra. I think it's, yeah, we got to see a little bit with the Clone Wars series, but it's kind of the, what we didn't get with Obi-Wan and Anna King. Kind of that full arc. I think we get it with Kainan and Ezra, and it's lovely.
It's Kainan, I mean, Ezra goes from this little brat that doesn't trust anyone, doesn't want to do anything to the way he ends with the series, where he ends, and we'll see what happens where he says, Ezra, hashtag where Ezra will find them. But Kainan also, everything is 19 ceremony again, especially with the Grand In-Guitar, the Temple Guard was so everything, everything that came, everything happens in Rebels, one of my favorites, everything happened with Kainan in the different Jedi temples, everything goes through, there's one of my favorite things in Rebels, and the way it ends unfortunately, but it's great. All right, so let's move on and, oh, of course, Emisa and Shoutout to the comics and De Pabilabatu. I'm sure you agree with that sentiment.
Oh, for sure. All right, so let's hear one of my favorite sections or sections of the show. segments is when I hear from you guys in Rebel Thoughts. Of course, we're Rebels, we're called Radio Rebellion, and so I posted a few days ago on Twitter for you guys.
So let me know who your favorite Jedi are, and we have a bunch of those. So we'll go through them, we'll talk a little bit about them with Kainan and first our friend, Adjidik, who says, very nice, my number one, I believe at this time. Talked a little bit about Bereness or anything you want to add about our favorite, Miriam, Miriam, Miriam, Jedi, I don't know how you can't, yeah, I can't pronounce it either. I don't really have much to add about Bereness, I think honestly, once I revisit Phase 1 of the High Republic, I'll have like more thoughts on her, but like right now, I think she's pretty cool.
She goes through her pre-solid arc, I really like that she has like a light whip, which she's on her love. So yeah, that's really all I have. One of the things I love about that Light Whip and the way she deals with it, because she talks about how that's a dodge side kind of weapon, only the safe and so Knight Sisters used to use light with, but she goes, well, that force led me to this design, who am I to judge the force? I'm like, yes, screw what did you say?
The force told you to do a light whip. I'm with it. Yeah. All right, then, Connor, Adkon, on the score, R says, Tal Katarn, K-Tarn, Tal Katarn from the old.
So did I help post one of those games? Jedi, I'll cast, I want to say. I'll cast, I don't know. I've played those games for a ton of years ago.
I know I've played them. I may check them out at some point. I don't know much about Kyle Katarn, so I can't really say anything. Like when it comes to Legends Jedi, I really have no foundation.
Yeah, I know a lot of people love him. I see the name. I think my brother likes him. All right, well, we saw our friend.
He was here. Maybe he's still around. Harry's at Fruity Monkeys says Rey, Orla, and F from Visions. Yes, Fruity.
Yes, a lot of F is incredible. I might watch, I might watch, uh, Stelj Bragg after this. Yeah, so, oh God, I freaking love her so much. She's one of the best Jedi ever.
So I like F. I love that way. She does a reveal. I love her heels that turn, and it's shape shape when she just goes full on.
Village Bragg was in my favorite episodes. I know everyone loved that episode. There was something about it that I didn't connect with it, but you can go wrong with F. And of course, Rey, we talk how much we love Rey, Great Arc, and Orla.
We mentioned I love Orla. My friend Mo, Mo's might still be there at GeneMyStar.S, Cannon, Bell, Seddiford, that Colonel has him killing. Marching Row at the end of Harry Public and head Cannon, there are also thrusting the force as Lira said. What are your thoughts on Bell?
I know you talked a little bit about him. I liked Bell coming into the falling star. I didn't love him as much as other people out there because to me, he hadn't done a lot. I really love what he went through in the falling star.
He was great in that book. Hopefully, we get to see more of him soon. So real quick, your thoughts on Bell Seddiford. Oh, no, I pretty much agree.
He was a Jedi. I really liked, but I wasn't like chomping at the bit for more Bells out of our stories. So when we got what we got in Fall and Star with his wonderful story, I was like, okay, this is pretty cool. Bell's becoming a pretty well rounded Jedi, I would say.
And so it's just really cool seeing him form into his own. And again, once I start going through phase one again, I'm going to see that with Seymour in that arc. And Lira Orso is a Jedi. I totally respected.
I'm totally with that. Yeah. And she had a light, like a kyber crystal. I know she used to work analyzing kyber crystals in the great book, Catalyst, which would be my favorite book until into the dark came out.
And who knows? She knew a lot about the force, trusted the force, head canons. That's what we love so much. So thank you more for that.
Our friend Pappy had put a reconnaissance Obi-Wan Kenobi, which we all have talked about him a little bit. And our friend Buck, the winner of the solo Rogue One trivia at high ball two, eight, one, four, says Kane and Jarrus. No other Jedi really lives up to all the ideals of the Jedi by the end of the arc. Kane manages to do it with attachments.
And I think that's something that we don't talk a lot because we all and the prequel Jedi era, the false with attachments, all these came and did it. He was attached not just romantically with, I forgot her name, she's back there somewhere, but with Hera, thank you. And the whole goes through he has attachment with, and he did it. He saved everyone.
You can have attachments and be a Jedi during that time period. So anything else with Kane and I think we covered him already. Yeah, I think that's pretty well said. I just again really like his whole arc with that.
And I think that Cals kind of going, I feel like Cals kind of going through the same thing. But I don't know. So I'll just get that sense. Yeah, we'll see.
That I found another two might be revealed in celebration. That's what people are saying. We'll see. And our friend Rachel at Build on Stardust Ray and Kane and so Ray, there's rumors, there's a ratio.
They said she'll always be Ray. How far are we from? Another Ray story, do you think? I don't know because when we're still with its marketing, we could get an announcement for a ratio tomorrow or like five years from now.
I really don't know. But I just wanted to point out the Jedi voices scene, my favorite scene in all of Rise of Skywalker. I love that Kane and he was the one to tell her in the heart of a Jedi Lyser. I love picking out those voices.
I don't know. But listen to Freddy Prisser. That's freaking Kane and they were all Kane and he has a great line. The heart of a Jedi Lyser strength.
I think in five years or so, we'll see Ray back in the big screen or I think there'll be a movie. I don't know. Maybe to show I think five years, we'll see her back. All right, Michelle at Michelle 73, Marie says, looks Skywalker.
Some people don't like him too much. It looks fun. No, I mean, he's a cool Jedi. I just don't resonate with him as strongly as I do others.
I think it's what I said. The older people like myself, he was all Jedi growing up. But now there's so many others that people can relate to that he kind of falls down a little bit. Not full of his own.
He had a great arc in the last Jedi, even though some people didn't like it. I think his arc made sense. All right, at a loss game, a ray and riff silas, your boy with silas. And finally Sam at Jedi agents, Leia again, you mentioned her Leia, great Jedi.
A lot of people wanted more with her, but unfortunately, we did pass in on a very future we couldn't get. But just that little bit in the last day, I like to let us know that she was fully sensitive. And then of course, we get her training with Luke in Rise of Skywalker. So price when we got that scene, when we see her training with Luke.
I who in rise of like it being in Rise of Skywalker, I was, but like growing up, and I'm sort of warming up to the idea of Jedi Leia more. But like growing up, I was very adamant against it. I don't know why. I was just like, just, it's not that it's not that like I thought that Jedi Leia was like a complete mischaracterization of Leia Organa.
I just wasn't like a big fan of that angle for Leia. I was like, I just don't see her as a Jedi. And so I'm warming up to it a bit more, but I'm still kind of like, I don't know, I don't know, but like, yeah, I don't know. It's because we will have this idea of Leia as his great senator and all that general.
Also, I jedi, but seeing her battling with Luke was pretty awesome. So, I'll give it like also, dude, like seeing Leia as a fully formed Jedi master, she was able to, too. She would have been unstoppable. I mean, there's a reason that that's what the other wanted.
And then all Ben can know, we know I got this whiny kid. You know what's wrong? You know, this is not wrong. No, I want the other one, not this kid.
He has no patience. But whatever, right? God, if you all that would be a great one if you're to train Leia. Oh man, I mean, it'll be a short story because you get stuff done.
Right. And I'll be finishing up saying that sequel Luke will probably make his stop five and maybe. All right. So Connor, great having you here.
Great talk about the Jedi, about fallen order, everything that we talked about today. So thank you for being here. Thanks for having me on. Yeah.
So anything, what can people find you and anything you're working on right now that we can look forward to? So on social media, you can find me on Twitter at that banana. You can find me podcasting at the Nerd Academy podcast, specifically the Star Wars show of it called Knights of the Nerd Republic. We talk Star Wars news theories.
We have guests interviews. It's pretty cool. Those release every not every Sunday, but when we do have them, they release Sundays at noon. Um, and then you can find me writing articles and stories super slowly.
What I have at SW editor IG.com. I'm part of a wonderful team of creatives where we're creating, creating our own fan universe called the SW EU or the Star Wars editor universe. And we're keeping to what is in Canon. We're not rewriting our own version of the prequels, just because we could.
We're keeping to what's in all of Canon and we need all of it. Also adding our own spin to it and sort of just doing what we can within within those, I don't want to say constraints, but within the parameters of Canon. And it's pretty interesting. It's a pretty interesting exercise with what we've been able to do.