S5 Ep16: This Murder Was Stupid

Hello, dearly detested. We are gathered here today for another recording of Perhaps It's You, an unofficial Unsolved Mysteries rewatch podcast. I'm Liz. And I'm Samantha. And we just want to say hi to the five listeners and BD Wong out there. Do you think he knows? Yeah, I'm just manifesting. Hi, BD Wong. You know, I'm sure he doesn't, but I want to believe that he does. Travis and I watched Jurassic Park last night, and I forgot that BD Wong was in that. Oh, yeah. And it was such a nice surprise. I want to see how he looks in it. I'm going to look that up right now.

B.D. Wong Jurassic Park. He must be like pretty young. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I remember this. It's a young B.D. Wong. I enjoyed it. He's so cute. Wow. I feel like we had so many updates and I didn't prepare for any of them. Don't worry. I have some updates. Okay. Good. I got you. I got you. I'm very unprepared. I just realized. I have at least probably the biggest update, which is that we have an update to a case we covered. I want to say it was season one. Yeah. It was a while ago.

That is the Dennis Perry case, which a lot of our listeners probably already know about. A lot has been happening with this case. This case was featured. Dennis Perry's wrongful conviction and investigation and appeals have been featured on a number of different podcasts, at least the Undisclosed podcast for sure. And if you don't remember, the...

The case we're talking about is the murder of Harold and Thelma Swain, who were murdered at a Bible study in Georgia. Dennis Perry was convicted of those murders, even though he had a pretty airtight alibi. I think he was at work like miles away. There was also DNA evidence on some glasses that did not match him. And if you will, if you remember, you might remember this case because those are the glasses that they sent to Unsolved Mysteries and Robert Stack held in his bare hands for the episode. He manhandled for some reason, for some fucking reason. Unsolved Mysteries called the police department about this case and they were just like, oh yeah, sure. We'll send you guys.

the actual evidence. Chain of custody? What's that? Never heard of her. Robert Stack holding those glasses did not help them solve this mystery in any way. He had his fingerprints and his DNA all over those glasses that he was just holding. Not to be all the dead, but Stack. That was a real low point.

for this show yeah uh and not only that there was the prescription didn't match dennis perry's prescription like there was well wasn't it clearly like his mother-in-law hated him or something and like like either his girlfriend's mom or his mother-in-law or someone identified him as the shooter and tipped off the police that seemed to lead them to him and then they just pursued him even though there was no evidence linking him to the crime and there was plenty of evidence that he didn't do it so he was released from prison a judge overturned his conviction the other thing about that case is that he took a deal to not get the death penalty so he took this deal to get life in prison in exchange for not getting the death potentially getting the death penalty which like trapped him in prison. Yeah, he couldn't make any appeals then. Right, but the Georgia Innocence Project took on his case. I'm reading from an article. This is a local news website from CBS.

Attorneys from the Georgia Innocence Project and co-counsel King and Spalding presented crime scene evidence to a superior court judge that ended up exonerating 58-year-old Dennis Perry in the killings of deacon Harold Swain and his wife Thelma, as well as pointed the investigation to an alternate suspect. Not sure who that alternate suspect is, but hopefully, I mean, the other thing about this case is that while he's been sitting in prison for 20 years, the DA was convinced that he had done it. So Harold and Thelma Swain still haven't gotten justice. So during a Bible study event on March 11th, a white man entered the Rising Daughter Baptist Church and shot the Swains. At the time, Perry, along with hundreds of other suspects and persons of interest, were interviewed during the investigation. Perry's alibi was that he had been at work in Atlanta, hundreds of miles away from Waverly, which is where the church was located. In 1988, Perry was cleared as a suspect, despite conflicting witness testimonies and an anonymous tip that identified him as the gunman. Yet, 12 years later, in 2000, Perry was again interrogated by investigators who allegedly posed a hypothetical conversation in which Perry speculated why the murders may have occurred.

With this interrogation recorded, his words were used as a confession, according to the Georgia Innocence Project. Wow. Three years later, Perry was convicted of the murders and sentenced to two life sentences. Now, 20 years later, the Georgia Innocence Project has successfully presented DNA that points the once closed investigation to the unidentified alternate suspect. The suspect, now linked through DNA to the scene, has repeatedly, quote, bragged about committing the murders in the years since the crime occurred. Oh, my God.

Yes. This is so frustrating. This DNA was discovered on the pair of glasses that were dropped at the scene. Perry's DNA was never linked to the glasses and his vision was a completely different prescription than those of the glasses. Basically, the Superior Court judge overturned his case. It's yet like they haven't dropped the case yet. So at this point, it's unclear if they're going to retry him. I know. That's the thing.

released from prison on bail uh just i think two days ago we're recording this on saturday i think on thursday or friday he was released and you can see if you're on twitter you can go to the georgia innocence project and see pictures of him um leaving the prison it's it's really nice this is some good news um for a case that i mean i remember when we covered this and how outraged we were yeah it's just weird that he didn't do it he's been in prison so long for nothing years which means whoever actually did it has just been going around bragging and everything about it so frustrating and until mysteries Have they solved a lot of mysteries? Yes. Did they make this case even worse somehow? Yes. Yeah, they did. So that's the update on the Dennis Perry case. Stay tuned. I'm really hoping they drop the case against him. It seems like absolutely no evidence to try him with. Everything's been thrown out. It's garbage. I mean, they better not. We'll go down there. We'll go down there and we'll have a word. I want to speak with the manager of justice, I'll say.

We need to have a word about Dennis Perry. No, he's got a lot of people on his side. So I think there's a good chance that he is free for good, which is really nice to see. The other thing I wanted to just like read from this article that I found about this UFO thing. Admittedly, I haven't been following this, but did you see that the people are going to make some of their UFO findings public? And that apparently they have otherworldly ships or something. Okay, so I pulled up this article from the New York Times. This year is so wild, no one cares. They're like, so we have UFOs and we're going to show them. And people are like, yeah, whatever. Cool. Cool story, bro.

so despite this is from the new york times article on it despite pentagon statements that it disbanded a once covert program to investigate unidentified flying objects the effort remains underway renamed and tucked inside the office of naval intelligence where officials continue to study mystifying encounters between military pilots and unidentified aerial vehicles these are the videos that i think a lot of people have seen um I don't know. I think it's been like released, but they are going to make some of their findings public. And apparently they have like, I don't know, some other ships or something. Yeah. So, I mean, that's cool, I guess. If you're looking for some, I don't even know if it's good news, but just like not depressing news. There you go. UFOs released. Maybe they'll make like an amusement park and we can all go. That's when I would be interested. When amusement park.

If there was like, or at least like a photo op spot, can we like go and like play with UFOs? Can I get my picture taken sitting in a UFO? Then I'm interested. Ooh, yeah. That would be an amusement park I'd actually go to. Yeah. If there's like the Area 51 spot where you go and like eat, what are those little dot ice creams? Dippin' Dots. Dippin' Dots. The ice cream of the future. You eat Dippin' Dots and you get, you know, you take some selfies with the UFOs and you buy like a Robbie Stacky of your own and stuff like that. Maybe there's like, I don't know, it's a whirl.

All alien-themed rides, right? I guess something I've always wondered about is I guess I don't really understand what the government gains in hiding UFOs from us. Actually, I would be more interested in that question than the actual UFOs. Like, why did you bother putting these in, like, some secret underground bunker all this time? Why did you bother building the bunker? Why didn't you just go, so this is fucking weird? Could we get some scientists over here to look at this? Yeah, and then once you... Why couldn't we know? And then once the scientists look at it, you put it in an amusement park and make some money. I don't know. I guess I just don't understand why they haven't done that. Yeah, why isn't there, like, a branch of the Smithsonian that's, like, UFOs? You know?

Right. I guess it doesn't have to be an amusement park. I guess it could be in a museum. That sounds not as exciting. So long as they are Dippin' Dots, okay? That's the requirement. I'm sure that could be arranged. The ice cream of the future. Yeah, actually, I would be more interested in that than the actual UFOs. Like, why did you... This seems like a lot of money that we could have spent on, like, literally anything else that you, for some reason, spent on hiding UFOs. We couldn't have spent that on school lunch.

if you just admitted ufos were real wouldn't that have saved us a ton of money clearly us knowing about ufos has really like not changed anything i think we would like lose our fucking minds but clearly no clearly we have other stuff going on so i don't think it was maybe that's why they just have finally given up they're like we thought people would just like i don't know riot but it turns out they're rioting because we're really bad at this government stuff so we might as well just admit there's ufos the molder was right all along Yeah. Hmm. How will this change the X-Files? That's the real question. Getting back to our episode we released last week from The Vault. Oh, yeah. Did you re-listen? I did. I did. And I didn't really remember it from before. I mean, I knew we did it, but...

It had been long enough that I kind of forgot what we said. I feel like I remember very few of our past episodes and I don't know why. I mean, we do have quite a few episodes out, but I'll be like, I was trying to find the episode where we talked about the Harold and Thelma Swain case and I was like scrolling through our past episodes and I'm like, I don't remember any of them. Like, where did these episode titles come from? They're so random and I don't remember.

We just have too many at this point and it's been too long and I don't know. Our brain is full of too much other information. I'm too distracted by Animal Crossing to remember all these things. Okay, so I thought of two things I wanted to update and then we can actually talk about on Soft Mysteries. One was I wanted to thank everyone that bought a dog bandana or a face mask in our recent sale because we were able to donate $393.25 to the Hennepin County Library. So that went to their justice for all funds to help rebuild libraries and also have...

some anti-racist programming in the libraries going forward and stuff like that. So we are very happy to give back to the libraries. That's actually where we got our start and recorded our first episode. So it seems like what we should do. So thanks to everyone who ordered something. Very appreciative. Remember, we would love to see your pets wearing their bandanas. Oh, that's actually a requirement. That's a requirement of buying a dog bandana. We have to see your pet. If you want to send us like a selfie of you wearing a mask, that'd be cool. Not required. We'd love to see it. Not required. But if you bought something for a pet, that is required. You can't get out of it. That's like a legally binding thing.

We got to see it. We got to see it. Okay. So the other thing that I wanted to talk about was that my mom read the book Werewolf Smackdown. Okay. The most important update. Yeah. The most important update. If you're familiar with the show, if you've been listening for a while, you might know that my mom reads these like really random, maybe they're not random. Maybe they are totally sensical, paranormal romances and had read a bunch of books about werewolves. I was trying to find some new books for her and sent her this book I didn't know anything about called Werewolf Smackdown. Because how can you resist that title? Okay. So I don't want to ruin it in case you're going to read it, but main character, not a werewolf.

he's a vampire shocking to me but he fights werewolves right so that's where the werewolves so the problem is there's like two rival factions of werewolves that are fighting and he's actually a vampire private detective and he gets like pulled into their drama so it's i guess he's like avoiding the werewolf smackdown or is like somehow you know involved in the werewolves i just think it's such a bad title such a bad title but in a way it's so bad that i was like this newspaper book yes my mom is getting it because i need to know what happens to werewolf smackdown she said Okay, I feel like she took this review a little seriously. She was like, not enough character development for me in Werewolf Smackdown. But she did think it would be good for young adult readers. She only recently retired from teaching in seventh grade. She thought this would have been great for seventh grade readers. But for her, it was a lot of action, a lot of werewolf fights.

And not enough, you know, melodrama. So I don't know that she's going to be a huge fan going forward. Something about the vampire private detective is like sleeping in a coffin in the mortuary, but it has Wi-Fi in the coffin. Oh my God. The coffin having Wi-Fi is my favorite detail, I have to say. Okay, I think I have a detail you haven't heard that's my favorite detail, but it's going to kind of spoil. It's a tiny spoiler for Werewolf Smackdown. All right, if you're going to read Werewolf Smackdown, make sure you fast forward. Which you should. Who's it by? No idea. There is a character, I believe a werewolf, gets killed with a giant statue of a blue crab.

did you see that coming no you know those like giant statues like seafood restaurants will have like okay at one point the vampire private detective sees the shadow of a crab and is like whoa gotta get out of the way and it turns out it's a giant statue and it falls I think on a werewolf and kills them but obviously that has to relate to something and it turns out the villains like run the company that makes the giant seafood restaurant statues which seems so random to me what who is this author this is the most random shit I've ever heard I don't know. The company they run makes giant crab statues for seafood restaurants? Yes. And I don't even think this is in like, I don't, I'm not even sure it was like in the coast or, you know, I'm not even sure there would be that many crab restaurants. Like Missouri. Yeah. I don't, I don't remember when it took place, but it was not somewhere I associated with crabs. You know, I got to go, Oh, that makes sense. They're in Baltimore. Oh, that makes sense. They're in like, you know, Panama city beach. No, it was just like, Oh, they're in some fucking place, you know, getting crushed to death by blue crab sculptures.

so okay do we need to have a werewolf smackdown book club where we i don't know okay this is what my mom said finish where i just got this text actually i was in a really bad mood and then i got this text and like turned my day around because it's just out of nowhere finished werewolf smackdown it's about a vampire pi who tries to stay out of rival werewolf factions he sleeps in a coffin with wi-fi access at a mortuary at his quote hotel book also has a diatribe about talking rings oh yeah there's like a whole thing about rings that talk a lot seems to happen in this book and it's not that long lots of actions and deaths oh and i almost forgot about the gang of vampires out to kill him so i think there's also a druid in this book okay yeah there's like there's like a group of creatures who want humans to know there's paranormal things and a group of creatures who don't and they're like fighting okay okay but i don't really understand like one group's like no we need to tell humans they're just food and i was like why just eat them who cares why do we need to know that We're weak. We're poorly organized. We can't even wear masks. Like, we're just your prey, werewolves. Don't worry about it. Yeah, humans aren't going around talking to cows, telling them their food. You're our food! Accept it!

Okay. Okay, Werewolf Smackdown. Yeah. That's amazing. That's the update on that. I asked her if she wanted to record a little review for us and she was like, yeah, no. But she was not interested at all. But I hope to be able to update you soon about The Stone Prince. Ooh, yes. A book about a statue that comes to us alive when kissed. You know, I kind of expect The Stone Prince to be exactly how I expect it to be. But Werewolf Smackdown really surprised me. First of all, the main character is not a werewolf. It surprises around every turn in that book. So you might want to check it out.

Does she give her books like a star rating? Is she on Goodreads? No. I wonder what her rating would be. She would have like 10,000 books on Goodreads. She would like rule Goodreads. She would kill those yearly challenges for sure. She would. She's reading like two of these books a day. I'm curious like what her rating of werewolves. She didn't think it was for her, I guess. I don't know that she thought it was necessarily bad. She just thought it would be better for like younger people. Okay. I don't know if that's like a read, but.

She was like, I feel like I'm too old for Werewolf Smackdown. Not for these other hundreds of werewolf books, but Werewolf Smackdown. I've aged out of this. Yeah. Too much action. I think not enough romance in Werewolf Smackdown. I like that we've been talking about this for quite a while. Okay. We're going to get to Unsolved Mysteries now. We're on season five, episode 16, which you can find on the YouTubes. This is an episode that both entertained me and infuriated me. I don't know how you feel about it. Yeah, same. It's got some very depressing moments.

I cried. High points as well. I also cry. Yeah, it's like a good episode of OG on Some Mysteries. It's a real mixed bag. Yeah, totally. But our first case is a UFO. Very exciting. Yeah, finally. This is a UFO sighting in West Carleton, Ontario, Canada that happened in August 1991. So around 10 p.m., Diane, look, I can't pronounce names. I think it's Labanik? Labanik? Sure. I'm fine with either. It's not like I watched this this morning. Couldn't remember how to say it. She had just put her children to bed and her husband was out running an errand when the dogs began to howl.

diane went to the window to investigate and what she saw she could not really explain she said i looked out the window and i saw flames on the ground which is not totally unusual for this area she said when the grass is really dry they will have like brush fires but she's seen a lot of them and they typically move you will see the fire actually advance she says the ground was really dry at this point but these flames she saw were just in one localized area so it wasn't like anything she had ever seen before um this is how she described it the fire was in one spot only i saw next i saw a ship coming down close to the flames right on top of the ship I saw a blue flashing light and another light was on the bottom the light on the bottom was very bright I didn't know what to do I was looking at it for about 10 minutes or so and then when the ship went a little bit back over the trees and disappeared I saw that all the flames turn out at the same time she also says I don't think I'd like to see it again it was very scary yeah this woman is like so polite and contained and almost like diplomatic where she was like I did not care for seeing this and I would not like to see it again Yeah. Very calm reaction to seeing a extraterrestrial craft land in your backyard. No kidding. It lended her a lot of credibility. Absolutely. She's very credible. So she decided that she would call. So she considered calling the police, but she was worried about what they would think, which is valid. She says, what am I going to tell them? I'm going to tell them I saw flames out there past 10 o'clock at night and that there was a ship that came down and then the flames went away. Right. What am I supposed to say? Also, she has the like presence of mind to realize like that that's not super believable. Right. Which I think it makes her even like more credible.

Yeah, exactly. According to Diane, 10 minutes after the lights blinked out, a helicopter appeared and flew pretty low to the ground right over Diane's house and right where she saw the unexplained lights. It crisscrossed the area, passing over her house several times, and then it disappeared into the night. The next morning, she explored the empty field around her house, searching for evidence of the previous nice events. She said there were no marks, there was no spots, there was no matches, there was no, like, you know, if you saw flames on the ground, you would expect a big burned area, but there was nothing. She said the only person that I told was my mom and my husband. It bothered me for a long time, but I didn't tell anyone. I would tell you, Samantha.

Thank you. I would tell probably all of our listeners. If I saw a UFO, I'd be like, we need to record an emergency episode. Probably. But then no one would believe us. They'd be like, they're just doing this to promote their podcast. And we'd be like, actually, we're terrible at that. So no, we couldn't be bothered to make a fake UFO story to promote this podcast. It's really true. It's really true. So because she didn't find any evidence of it, she was afraid that people were just going to think she was crazy. So she didn't tell anyone else. In February 1992, six months after Diane's encounter, a package from Canada arrived at the office of Bob Ochlesser.

That's not how you pronounce his name, but again, bad at pronunciations. One of the foremost UFO researchers at the time, the package had no return address, and inside were secret military documents. Okay, no, they were not. No, boo, no. At some point, they were like, okay, I'm totally interrupting and jumping ahead, but at some point, they were like, well, clearly, these are not real military documents, not even Canadian documents. I was like, oh, wait, I was supposed to think those were real documents? They look so fake. That never occurred to me once.

It's like, as fake as if you just like put military on top of your, you're like, they're going to believe this because it says military. You just like scrawl it in a magic marker. It's just like, I put a giant maple leaf on the top. Obviously that means it's a Canadian military document. It's like, no, it looks like you made that at Kinko. It was at three in the morning, just cutting and pasting shit.

So on the label was the name Guardian, which is very mysterious. It was accompanied by a fingerprint. Yeah, what? That's not the first time we've seen someone submit anonymous UFO things, but then include a fingerprint. I find that so weird. This is not the first time. It's very strange. Maybe it's the same person. Maybe I should start doing that when we send out Patreon rewards. Just put, like, my little fingerprint on it. So you know it's legit. It would make it seem like you were an enigma, like this guy says. Or it would make it seem like I was slightly unhinged. Well, you know what? It's a fine line.

you know what Drew this guy's interviewed for Unsolved Mysteries and he says Guardian to me was an enigma certainly nothing I had heard about in the UFO literature so it was a mystery starting from the scratch okay at the time this guy was more like UFOs are real but also what the fuck is this Okay, this seems honestly kind of legit to me, but this Guardian thing is not. But her sighting, to me, seems legit. Yeah, no, I believe her. I find all the Guardian stuff very, almost, like, annoying. I don't know. Well, it's very silly. So at the time, he was unaware of Diane's sighting, but he later discovered that there was a video that accurately showed what she had reported seeing. The tape showed a cluster of brightly burning red flames. Okay, again, the quality of this footage, which we see on Unsolved Mysteries, is...

garbage. It's poor. It could be Christmas lights. I don't know. Oh, you can see the reflection. I was like, can you? Because I can barely make out anything. It's real bad. I think it's, even an old fogey like myself, it's forgotten how crusty and musty old camcorder footage used to be. We're used to things, very high def, very clear resolution. And this is like, what am I looking at? Is this like a toy, a fire truck in the dark? It could be anything.

So until mysteries goes on to describe what you can see in the tape, which is that to the right of the flames, there's hovering a dark dislike object, which emits a bright glow from its underside. And then the object by a rapidly strobing blue light. And you do see these lights, but that's about all you can see. You see lights. There's no scale. It could be any size. Yeah. Who knows? So this was his quote. I got a sense initially that it was a real event occurring in a field as opposed to some props that up in a room somewhere. I kind of had a sense I might be dealing with something that was potentially authentic. I don't know why, but.

Okay, the map that was included in the package directed him to West Carleton, Ontario. He went there with UFO researcher Graham Lightfoot. When they interviewed Diane, she described exactly what was in the videotape that was sent by Guardian. She had not seen the tape before she described it, so that does lend a little bit of credibility to it. Dr. Bruce McAbee is a U.S. Navy physicist and photo analyst. He has also studied UFOs for years, and he says that it's one of the clearest videos I've seen that shows a structured object. How is that possible?

I mean, it's one of the clearest videos he's seen. I mean, that could be true, but I don't really mean that it's like... It's also the only video he's seen. The clearest and the foggiest. Yeah, he claims that he can see like some reflections in it and like the body of the craft. I didn't see that at all. I just saw some lights, but you know, anyway, he believes the tape is not a fraud. I mean, are lights real? Yes. So...

in a way it has to be authentic it's authentically something it's true it is a videotape robert stack holds a videotape in his hand i really like that part actually we should get a screen part of that it's just him holding like in the woods a vhs and kind of like caressing it like we have here this tape no i didn't just grab off the shelf at a goodwill this has the footage he seems like pumped about it but also like i don't know like he really wants us to notice his hands or something i guess So Dr. McAbee estimates that the object is 20 to 30 feet in diameter. Based on what? There's no reference point in the film at all. You can't like compare it to anything. I don't know. I estimate it's three inches by five inches. So make up it what you will. He also is quoted as saying that it's too big to be a hoax. Yeah, based on his own estimate.

I mean, people have used planes to hoax UFOs, so I don't know why the size of it, 20 to 30 feet, would be too big. I don't know. That seems like a silly thing to assert, but whatever. Audio analysis of the tape revealed only the distant barking of dogs, which probably were Diane's. For some reason, that's so funny to me. Like, we analyzed this tape and dogs were barking. Couldn't be less helpful. Where did dogs bark? Oh, who knows? Could be anywhere. The craft itself seemed to be silent. There was no audible trace of power, like an engine or anything like that.

Dr. Robert Nathan of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory reviewed the tape in a non-official capacity. He could not explain the images or dismiss the tape as a hoax. Because you can't tell anything from this video. He was like, it's a tape, and I saw lights. Everything else, inconclusive.

Yeah. After the incident, though, low-flying helicopters cruised over West Carleton on a regular basis. The helicopters were black, green, or maroon in color. They were unmarked and had darkly tinted windows. The Canadian military denies any involvement. Where the helicopters came from and what they were searching for remains a mystery. According to Major N.J. Patterson of the Canadian Forces, quote, the helicopters that are used in this area of Canada do not fly low in that area. There are no requirements for our military helicopters to go and fly near private citizens' property like that. Well, tell it to all these people that saw them. I don't know. Is this the guy with a mustache?

Yes, this is the military guy with the mustache that holds up the fake document. Okay, this guy is hilarious. Did you name his mustache? I did. I don't know if this means anything to you, but I named it the kids in the hall. Not just because he's Canadian, but also because it's very hard to believe that this is not a sketch. Him holding up this clearly fake document and being like, well, this isn't real. I was just like, no shit, what? His mustache is very thick and bushy and comes to the corner of his lips and kind of an M, but there's just something about it that seems extremely Canadian, but also not real.

Like, I swear that's a fake mustache on an actor. It's weird that it's not. You know what? It crossed my mind to call that mustache fake because it's so silly. It's so silly. It's very silly. It's very hard to take him seriously. And he's talking very seriously about things that are clearly stupid. And it's just, there's sometimes there are things on Unsolved Mysteries where you go, this isn't a joke? Huh? Interesting. Interesting. That's one of those things where you go, this is a real dude? Didn't see that coming.

It's keeping me on my toes. So this UFO researcher, Bob, says that the key to the entire incident lies with identifying who the Guardian is. Does it though? I like that they have an actual fucking eyewitness and they're like, whatever. The key to this is figuring out who put their fingerprint on a VHS. Why? I'm not sure. I mean, I guess if you think that the Guardian was out there in the same place filming it, I guess, you know, finding that person might be important, but how? I don't know. This is weird.

But the supposed military document that arrived with the videotape raised serious questions about the Guardian's credibility. The papers allege far-reaching conspiracies involving UFOs and nuclear weapons. This Bob guy is skeptical. He says there's some questions immediately with regard to the authenticity of documents that didn't look like typical government documents because they're not. Because they're a cut and paste job, clearly. Clearly. Military guy with a mustache, Major Patterson, reviewed one of the documents and as he's holding it up he says, quote, this document is clearly a fabrication. There are way too many errors in the document to make it authentic. Someone with very little effort could have come up with something a lot closer than this. And that's just when I was like, this is real? This is really happening? This was really on broadcast television? Huh.

And no one's getting crushed by a giant blue crab sculpture right now. Interesting. So also hilarious is that included with the videotape are images, which Guardian claimed to show an alien being. But this Bob guy says clearly this could have been someone dressed up in a costume. It is a blob. I'm not even sure you can say it's like a person in an alien costume. Like it could be a reflection. It could be a bag. You can't tell with it. You can't tell with it. It's just like it could be an air in the film. Like what? They're like, but why would you have people dress up as aliens at this real?

uh ufo landing like wow we're really like we're deep in this now yeah so i don't know i believe that's it's very it's very actually a very frustrating segment the more that we talk about it i'm almost getting like tongue-tied it's just like but that makes no sense it's just we just wanted like yell that at the tv a lot yeah i don't know and i mean on one hand i think that diane's uh her story is very credible and yeah it's also other people in the area saw these helicopters for days which was unusual for them to see during this in this area so like clearly something was going on but it's like was it some sort of military exercise was it some sort of like i don't know it's weird uh so there's a lot of unanswered questions and it's an interesting case but this guardian thing i think it's just a complete i think it's a credible story and then the segment focuses on the stupidest aspect of it i mean i guess if you think that this guardian person was out there and like the fact that diane described what you can sort of see in the video without having seen the video i guess that lends some like air of mystery to it but there's no resolution so i think it's really silly in the fact that there it came with these poorly forged government documents like what is this this just makes me want to go back in time and fake ufo footage that's my reaction it seems incredibly easy i feel like i can do it with a closet and like a toy that lights up and a camcorder

I feel like I can go to my local library, check out a camcorder, buy one VHS and some ink to put my fingerprints on it. And I, here, okay. Update. I am the guardian. I confess. I confess. I made this tape. It's a fake. I fooled you all. I also made two crop circles. I'm sorry. I apologize for my youthful indiscretions. How dare you? Yeah, I'm not really a fan of this segment. I feel like we don't, I don't know. It just doesn't focus on the right part.

And I feel like people are being very silly talking about how the Guardian must be communicating with the UFO and I don't know. They're putting a lot of credence in this just like blurry. tape that i i'm not impressed by so now we'll move on now that i've ruined that segment we can move on to the second segment this segment frustrated me oh yeah it's not good oh we also get a very unnecessary update now on brenda murrell she was the woman who had to raise all of her siblings after her mom peaced out to start a restaurant but guess what we already saw that but unsolved mysteries is i don't know why do they do that just to torment me personally probably so now we have a missing person case um this takes point place in Port Hunemi, California, back in September of 1992, a motorist came across a young woman who, according to the reenactment, is just like full-on dancing on a median in a busy street. And so I honestly probably would have just kept going about my business, but a motorist stopped to see if the young woman was okay and if she needed help.

She was not able to speak to this person and seemed not to be able to hear them, so he decided to take her to the police station. She didn't have any ID, and the only thing on her was a bank receipt from San Diego, which is 200 miles away. The police didn't have any reason to keep her, so they released her, but ended up picking her up again later that day when she was once again found dancing in a busy street, and people were worried that she was going to get hit by a car. So at this point, she was placed with a women's shelter, and a communication specialist named Chris Barrows came in. in the hopes of finding out her name and age and if they were dealing with a minor or an adult. So she sort of indicated that she couldn't hear them and wasn't able to speak to them. But she also didn't know how to write and didn't have training in formal American Sign Language. But she mimed out the letters of her name with her hands. So and then they would like write down like, oh, are you saying L? Are you saying you? So she responded to the name Luxie. But very frustratingly, apparently they decided to call her Lucy. Unsolved Mysteries says for convenience. It's not like she said my name is supercalifragilisticexpialidocious. It's Luxie or Lucy. How is it more convenient to like...

whitewash her name i swear they were just like oh that's not a name even though she was like responded and was apparently delighted that they figured out her name was luxie like she responded to that and they were like great we're gonna call you lucy absolutely fucking not what So anyway, even when you look this up on Unsolved Mysteries Wiki, it's under Lucy. Okay, cool. And then she also mimed that she was 23 years old. She also mimed out a story that she came on an airplane and she had a baby with her, but the baby was taken and then she was left behind. The shelter said that she had clearly been in a previously been in an environment where she was cared for. She was well groomed. She had grooming habits. She didn't know how to prepare food, but she didn't understand to like come to meals and like eat with everybody else. And she understood like how to function and live with other people in the shelter. She just couldn't like completely take care of herself.

So they had aired the segment in hopes of finding out where she had been living before and if she had any family or anyone that knew her. Unfortunately, this is a really fucking depressing update, which is that shortly after airing the story, she left the shelter and was just gone. And they were just like, well, we hope she's okay. Right. I mean, she's an adult. They're not like, it's not a facility. Right. They weren't holding her there. But yeah, so she left in December of 1993. Apparently, this is according to Unsolved Mysteries Wiki, and I don't know where they're getting this information, but they claimed that she had had meth on her at the time that she was found. And it had been determined that she could actually hear, but had the mental age of a nine-year-old. I have no idea. If she had meth on her, the police would have let her go? That's why I'm like, this doesn't sound accurate, and I don't know where they got that information. That's dubious at best.

Someone with the mental age of a nine-year-old also knows how to buy meth. I didn't know how to do that when I was nine. Okay. So, yeah, she had vanished again. According to some people, as of 2014, she was homeless and living in Santa Paula, California, that she communicates with grunts and hand gestures and can be seen walking around town with a stroller full of junk. How do we know it's the same person? I have no fucking clue. It's ridiculous. That's so silly. Okay. That's the only information that we have. And I find this incredibly sad and incredibly demeaning, and I have no idea why they wouldn't call her the name that she wanted to be called.

I also feel like they just went, oh, she doesn't know English or Spanish. Then she doesn't know how to communicate. As if there's not like other languages. It's not clear to me if they even attempted to find out if she knew a different language. I don't think so. ASL is not the only sign language. No. They said that her name could have had Latin origins. So why are we just assuming? I don't know. It's very demeaning. It's very ableist, but also just like fucking dismissive and patronizing at the same time. Samantha said that they were talking about her like she was a dog. And it's true. It's like, we found this last puppy.

She came from a good home. She was well-groomed. Like, it's weird. The woman at one point said she was well-kept. Like, it really sounded like they found a stray dog. I don't know. I hated it.

Yeah, it's pretty bad. She was like, peace out. I'm going to find people who actually call me by my name. You guys suck. I saw people on the internet speculating both that maybe she doesn't speak Spanish, she spoke Basque, or that maybe she spoke one of the many, many languages indigenous to this country that people always seem to forget about. Very possible. We have no idea. I don't feel like, yeah, that they tried other types of sign language or even just like other languages. It seems like they were, I don't know if impatient is the right word, but they sort of were like, well, this is a lost cause. And I don't, I don't know that that was really true, but I hope she's okay.

yeah god damn it i seconds like this are so frustrating seeing these people that just society has given up on and it's like wow we've only gotten worse at that so that's great what a lovely country and then i just salute the flag for like an hour over and over again yeah it's not it's not a good segment not a good segment i wish the becks to luxie wherever she is all right now you have a fucking depressing thing to talk about samantha good for you sure do this is a It's so bad. It's so depressing. It's so grim, and I hate it so much. Okay, I got that out. I feel a tiny bit better. So at 8 p.m. on the night of February 12, 1988, a friend dropped 27-year-old Geraldine George off at her apartment complex in Talladega, Alabama. She went to the home of her neighbor, Janice Morris, and picked up her children. Janice and her boyfriend were good friends with Geraldine. They watched her children while she was at work. Geraldine sent them back to her apartment and then had a brief conversation with Janice.

After that, she walked back to her apartment, but when she entered, she found her estranged, abusive, and stalker husband, Larry. Boo. Boo, Larry. Larry is a dirtbag. He was also described as a survivalist, which I feel like wasn't as mainstream back then as we know they are now, but this is that type of guy. He was an 80s prepper. That's scarier than a prepper now. Kind of is. He was really dedicated to it. He was figuring out how to do that totally on his own with maybe weird magazines. He was on just a newsletter mailing list. Gross, Larry.

Sinister. Okay, Larry was a former soldier who had been married to Geraldine for several years. That night, he broke a restraining order and arrived at her apartment. Boo! Sorry!

Lizzie just continually booed Larry. I'm unhinged. I hate this. It made me so angry to watch. So Geraldine tried to get him to leave the house, but he brandished a gun. She then told her daughter to run upstairs and call her grandmother and tell her that Larry was in the house, but he followed her up and pulled the phone cord out of the wall. This is just horrible for these children. It's just like an absolute fucking horror movie nightmare. I know. Geraldine rushed next door to Janice's apartment. Janice was on the phone with her mother, and Geraldine started to scream that...

asking Janice to call the police because Larry had a gun. But she was on the phone with her mother and she kind of had trouble hearing and understanding what Geraldine was saying. So she just told her mother that she was going to call her back and figure out what was going on. And her mom is interviewed for Unsolved Mysteries since the last time that she heard from her daughter, which is horrible. So sad. After she hung up, Larry barged in. He shot Janice in the chest. Then he shot Geraldine while Janice's children watched from the couch. And then finally, he shot Janice's boyfriend while Ralph Swain in the back of the head and fled.

The reenactment of this is brutal. Like, the boyfriend hears this commotion downstairs. He comes running down the stairs, realizes what's happening, tries to turn around and run back up the stairs, and just gets shot in the back of the head. It's horrible. And then, like, at one point, these two little children are, like, cowering on the couch while Geraldine is, like, on the floor nearby. Because they see the whole thing? Yeah. Ugh. Boo, I say. So, police and paramedics arrived and pronounced Janice dead at the scene. Ralph died in the hospital, and Geraldine survived but is permanently paralyzed from the waist down.

uh the next day larry's car was found abandoned in the forest six miles from the murder scene he had tried to conceal it by placing branches over it but it was clearly he's like this will work forever i saw in my survivalist newsletter they also found a campsite nearby and they found his personal belongings in and around the car it appeared that he had been living in it for several days prior to the murder a notebook found suggested that he had been stalking geraldine for several weeks they hate this guy so much clothing that he was wearing the night um was that night was also recovered sometime after the murders larry visited his sister in southern alabama he also spent time in the florida panhandle area where he attended truck driving school some more of his belongings were found near railroad tracks in roanoke virginia the last reported sighting of him was in wilmington delaware in june 1990 and he remained at large at the time of the broadcast so the result is that he is captured after yay A viewer spotted Larry fishing along the banks of the Christina River in Wilmington, Delaware. Three days later, two detectives went undercover and began talking with him about fishing. He's like, oh, God, I made some new friends. Finally.

When he went to show them his fishing poles, one identified himself as a police officer. And at this point, a struggle ensued between them and Larry. They eventually threw him in the river. And as he tried to flee downstream, they were able to grab him. They threw him in the river? That's what Unsolved Mysteries Wiki said. Why? From the episode that in the struggle, he ended up in the river. But Unsolved Mysteries Wiki said that they threw him in the river. I don't know. That's very strange. Take that dirtbag. Yeah. The authorities went to investigate Larry's campsite. They found a makeshift bunker. It had a generator, heater, television, and stove. They also found several weapons, including a spear gun and a sawed-off shotgun. What a loon.

This led them to believe that he would resist arrest if he was found there. On April 27th, 1994, he was extradited to Alabama to face murder and attempted murder charges. He was later convicted of capital murder and attempted murder and sentenced to death by the electric chair. To this day, he remains on death row. Oh, really? Yeah, this one was brutal. It's brutal. Not really recommended, honestly. Do you think viewer tips helped catch him or they just ended up catching him? I think they did because he was spotted by the viewer.

At that fishing area. And that's why the detectives knew to go to that, because that's where he was essentially living, was in the woods by the spot where he was fishing. Someone saw him there, and that's how the detectives knew. He was making his own little Animal Crossing island, and they tried to talk to him about fishing. Okay, so I had a mustache from this segment, too. It's from the update. There was a detective, Bruce.

Who had a mustache? Oh, is that the guy that said that this murder was stupid? I forgot to mention that. No. That guy didn't have a mustache. He just has gigantic nerd glasses. The biggest nerd glasses you've ever seen. And he does say an iconic Unsolved Mysteries line, this murder was stupid. Which his point was that the other people that he shoots, he didn't even know. They were just the neighbors of his ex-wife. He didn't have a beef with them at all. She just ran into their apartment and he ended up killing them. And he didn't even know them. So, I mean, are all murderers stupid?

Yes, but that does seem especially pointless, I suppose. But I do, I did take a little screenshot that's on our Instagram and such of that guy with a close captioning. This murder was stupid. Anyway, great moment in Unsolved Mysteries history. Oh, no, in the update, one of the officers involved in the arrest was named Bruce. And he had a neat little mustache, which does sort of look like two tadpoles kissing. You know, if you can pick, they're like kissing like right above the top of the lip. But I sort of, so I called it the tadpole makeout. And I was like, have I called one that before? I can't even remember. So it might be tadpole makeout too, the reckoning.

Because if you've watched a lot of bad horror movies, sequels are always called The Reckoning. Is Tadpole making out horror? No, but I just feel like that's like a go-to sequel title. So this would be Tadpole Makeout 2 going The Reckoning. Now I want to see like a horror movie poster, but it's for Tadpole Makeout 2 The Reckoning. Well, maybe the Tadpoles are more parasitic. They like attack you. Yeah, the Tadpole's making out with you? It's like a leech. It's like sucks out your blood or something. Yeah, that would be a horror. Yeah, right? I hate anything like parasitic.

I mean, does anybody like it? But I feel like I have a very strong aversion to that. So that would be a movie I would not want to watch. Anything that's about a like. yeah like a leech or i don't know is there there's probably a horror movie about like a tick i wouldn't watch that disgusting uh okay so now we're on to a lost love where eugene price is seeking his long-lost siblings after his family was torn apart by divorce he also has a mustache and it is very lightly colored it's like literally the color of straw and i am not comfortable with it you can barely see it it looks like if you're you know if you like let your grass grow too long and it starts to like seed and then it's maybe like you know is yellow yeah like my grass right now I'm not saying how I know that grass will do that, but that's the vibe I get from his mustache. Not a fan. I'm sorry, Eugene. You seem like a nice dude, but I am not kissing that face because that is going to scratch me the fuck up. Even a tadpole would not make out with that face. Yes. Well, guess what I called this mustache? The straw man to the reckoning. Oh, okay. The reckoning. Because I was like, I'm pretty sure I've already called the mustache the straw man as well. Probably. So then you just put the reckoning at the end. And then for three, you will put the electric boogaloo. So when I get to straw man three, it'll be colon electric boogaloo.

So now in this segment, we have Robert Stack sitting on a public bench because they've obviously run out of locations for shots. So he's just like literally sitting in a park somewhere or something. But he's telling us the story of spring 1953 in New York City. Harley Price, who apparently his nickname was Smokey. Don't worry, we never hear that again. Was a Navy veteran turned roofer. And he was dating his co-worker's daughter, Ronnie, who was just 16. The problem was that she did not know that Harley was a complete dirtbag and was already married and had a child.

So we hear from Ronnie, and she tells us that she was just a stupid 16-year-old kid. And it's like, well, that's not really on you, Ronnie. That's on this dirtbag. That's Smokey's problem, that he's out picking up his co-worker's 16-year-old daughters when he should be at home with his wife and his kid. But apparently she was unhappy at home, and she was looking for a way out, and Smokey. I don't know why I find that hilarious. Harley just, you know, he was very handsome and charming. The guy that they got to play him in the re-enappearance really was handsome. And that just, you know, seemed like a way out.

So within a year, she had given birth to their oldest son, Dean. And only 10 months later, she gives birth to Eugene, who's the person focused on in the segment. Only then did Harley and Ronnie get married. Over the next six years, they had three girls, Debbie, Terry, and Shelly. The family settled in Wionette, Michigan. But unfortunately, Harley's drinking became a problem and was causing a lot of fear and tension in their family. That they were worried about him coming home drunk and throwing things and whatever. We hear from Eugene that he was nice when he wasn't drinking. But honestly, I see absolutely no evidence of that. Considering he was already like stepping out on his wife and whatever. We'll hear some more shit about him. He does some messed up shit. And I can't believe he's drunk 100% of the time. That would be impressive. For example, sometimes he would drive his kids to the bar and then just lock them in the car for hours while he went drinking.

I don't know why he couldn't leave them at home. Maybe it was like his turn to watch the kids and his wife was at work. They don't really say why he would do this, but it's barbaric and weird. I assume they work opposite shifts, maybe. And so he's like, well, while I'm in here drinking and probably hitting on other women, you kids, you numerous children can just sit in a locked vehicle in a bar parking lot. In like the middle of winter?

Yeah, Ronnie once actually went looking for them when he didn't come home and found her children like all curled up in the cold in the car, just sitting in the car while her husband was still inside drinking. Another example of him being a dirtbag was that he would often make his kids play a cruel game where they would have to choose which parent they would live with if the couple split up. Yeah, this is where fucked up. Where he'd be like, oh yeah, you want to live with me? You want to live with me or your mom?

And this was supposed to like prove to Ronnie that the kids liked him, except that they were just too scared to say that they would obviously live with their mother, not their deranged dad. But they didn't want to get spanked or worse. So they would always be like, with you, dad. And then he'd be like, see, as if that proves fucking anything. Okay. In 1963, they had a new baby, Jimmy, but unfortunately he was born with a heart defect. So he had to have surgeries on a pretty regular basis. He had his first surgery at three months and that was followed by numerous ones over the years. It sounded like he would be home for maybe a couple of days and then go have to have another surgery at first. So that was obviously very stressful. And then when it just seemed like things couldn't get any worse, their house was literally struck by lightning and burned down.

So while everybody in the family got out and was okay, it did destroy all of their earthly possessions. This was apparently the final straw for Ronnie, who was tired of Harley's abusive behavior and just fled to stay with a friend in New York. But it did mean that she also gave up. a contact with her children. When she contacted social services, they informed her that in order to have custody of children, she would have to go back to her husband. And she's like, yeah, no, he will literally murder me. And they were kind of like, what are you going to do? So the younger children ended up going to an orphanage while Eugene and Dean, which is hard to say, stayed with the dad, Harley. They only got to visit their sisters at the orphanage on one occasion. And apparently it wasn't even for that long.

Like, finally, they convinced their dad to, like, drive them out to the orphanage, wherever it was. And they, like, sat and talked about, like, how they could get the family back together and how everything was going to be okay. And then Harley, like, comes in and is like, yeah, it's time to go. And so they just have to leave with their dad and they never see their sisters again. A few months later, Dean and Eugene were placed in foster care. So they weren't even with their dad. I don't understand why Ronnie couldn't get custody of any of these children.

Because obviously Harley is not fit to be a parent. So that's not. It makes no sense to me. They say you can't have your children unless you go back with him. But we're still going to take them away. But instead of giving them to you, we're going to put them in foster care and send them to an orphanage. I think part of the problem was that she was no longer in the state because she went to go stay with a friend in New York. But it seems like that's something that could have been worked out other than this. I would think so. This is a bad solution. So Eugene moved around a lot in foster care. He eventually served in the army, got married and started a family. In 1971, him and Dean were.

It sounds like he was always in contact with his brother, Dean, which is good. And then in 71, both of them were reunited with their mother, Ronnie. And I guess they were still in contact with their dad. And 12 years later, he died. So don't worry about him. He's dead. So he was on the show seeking his three sisters and also the youngest kid, his brother, Jimmy. Fortunately, so at this point, I was crying because this is just so sad to me that these kids were split up for like, really? What reason? Why can't they go stay with their mom? I don't know. But anyway, the good news is that Sherry saw the broadcast.

So she knew that Eugene was looking for her. And actually, this is also kind of good news that Sherry, Terry and Debbie had all been adopted by the same family. So they were not split up. They were able to like grow up together and have that family bond. And they had actually been searching for their brothers this whole time too. And just, you know, Eugene found them first. So we get to see their reunion when they're reunited for the first time in 29 years.

And obviously it's just all of them bawling at this like restaurant for some reason that they've completely taken over because also all of them have families and all of them have children. So it's just like huge family, massive gathering of people where it's like, Oh, I'm your brother. I haven't seen it in 29 years. And also here's my wife and here's my daughter. And here's my other daughter. It was just like, it must've been so overwhelming. The bad news is that Jimmy had died of heart disease in 1973. So they didn't get to see him again. And then I just wrote, Oh my God, with everyone's kids, there are so many people in this restaurant. The only really other update to this is that she, uh,

that Ronnie has since passed away in 2003. But I was happy to learn that the sisters got to stay together and the brothers at least had each other. I mean, obviously they wanted to all be together, but it's very moving. Yeah, that one was frustrating, but it has a happy ending. It has a happy ending. It's just like Harley, was his goal in life to be the worst dad ever? Because maybe he won. I think so. What a notorious dirtbag. I'm just going to drive to the bar and lock my kids in the car in the cold while I get drunk and then drive them home. Father of the year.

Okay. That is that episode. It comes to an end. It's been, it's quite a, it's quite a rollercoaster. This one was, it was, uh, should we read it? I think we have to by law. All right. Mysteriousness. Okay. Not very mysterious. No, I wish we knew what happened to Luxie, but I'm also just hoping she like peace out. And I don't even just like went to a better shelter. Um, that's kind of mysterious. Everything else. It's too frustrating to me to be mysterious. And we know who, we know who committed that stupid murder.

yeah it's not mysterious so actually you know what thumbs down thumbs down and the reenactments I like the reenactments of that guy being like a survivalist in the woods yeah that's kind of funny but they're not great are they overall the ones with Luxie are just there's a lot of frustration in this episode and then I just cried about lost loves so I don't know true I'm gonna feel like I say thumbs down actually for reenactments Luxie like dancing in the street I don't know I'm sure they meant well but it's also just hot garbage that's been left out on a summer day it kind of is what it's so bad One high point, though, I think is the fashion. There was a lot of fashion. Oh, boy. Yeah. There's some good looks. Particularly when the family reunites, you just get like a mall fashion show. Yep. Like lady mullets and oversized stripy shirts. And it's a cacophony. There's a lot going on. Yes. So I thought that was a positive. Thumbs up. Actually, also for Robert Stack, I like him caressing a VHS for some reason. It's just like so hilariously dated where he's like, have you ever seen one of these? It's a videotape. And you go, yes, Robert Stack. Thank you.

It's like if you've ever had, I'm going to be kind of mean, but if you've ever had like a sort of older person like show you how an iPhone works and you're like, yeah, I get it. Because it's just like blowing their mind, right? Like they can't imagine that they are alive in the time where this technology exists. And you're kind of like, I'm spoiled. I'm not that impressed. But I feel like that is Robert Stack with his videotape. Like, guess what? We got it on video. Cutting edge technology. And then it was the first time it was aired on broadcast TV. Yeah. Well, yeah, no, no other network wanted it. Let me tell you. It was not a bidding war for that grainy footage.

So I'm going to actually give him a thumbs up. Also him just like on a park bench because they're like, look, just there is fine. Where are we shooting this introduction? Like literally right there? Okay, let's do it. Let's get this over with. Thumbs up.

Thumbs up for Robert Stack using some PTO later that day. But then the question is, Samantha, how are we going to rate this episode out of five Robert Stacks? I don't know because I found this episode really frustrating at times, but I like a UFO mystery. So that was good. And The Lost Love has a happy ending and we got to see the reunion, which is always great. So I'm like really torn on this episode. It's a mixed bag for sure. I feel like...

This is a dilemma I fall into rating things for good reads as well, where I was like, well, I liked parts of it, but I also hated parts of it. Is that a three? Cancel it out? I don't know. Yeah. And then I end up giving it a three and I'm like, but that seems sort of generous. But I think I give this a three. I feel like we're in the same, the same. Maybe it's a two and a half. That's like inching up to a three, but it's not not worth watching. It's just, you know what? It's worth watching, but it's maybe not worth talking about.

If you're like binging, you don't have to skip this one. The more I think about it, the less I like it. But if I had just watched it, fine. Passable. I'm glad we got something paranormal. I'm glad that family got you reunited. I hate Larry. You know, pretty standard Unsolved Mysteries fair. Yeah. That's where we're at. So I guess a three. Sure. Yeah. Yep. Three Robert Stacks. Okay, I'm going to say two and a half Robert Stacks.

I don't know. I don't know what they do. I'll give it a three. You give it a two and a half. And there we go. It is remarkable how often we agree, actually, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, I think we do. But I mean, as you pointed out recently on our social media, we hate the same things. It occurred to me that Samantha and I don't necessarily like the same things, but that's not important because we hate the same things. And that is really the bond. That's really what brings us together, where I can be like, Samantha, look at this. Look at how much this fucking sucks. And I know that she's going to be like, yeah, that's terrible. I hate it, too.

That's really true. And then I just feel understood, right? So that's like, you know, somehow Samantha puts up with me, but I think really that's the key. That's what you need in a relationship. Do you hate the same things? You know what? Hate really brings friends, brings people together. Strong friendships are built on hate is what we're learning in 2020. Where you go, yeah. Where you go, wow, that is terrible. And then you go, I wish I wasn't alive. And then you go, same. That's a friendship. That's a friendship right there. But.

It is time for recommendations. I wanted to give a recommendations update first. Oh, okay. Because it might have been almost two years since I recommended the clothing brand Foxblood. which is a small clothing company, clothing made in California that is basically all black all the time. And I had recommended it because I bought this like velvety robe with a jack-o'-lantern on it. And I mean, who doesn't need that? We all do. But I've ordered a couple of things from them since that I've also really enjoyed. So I just wanted to like amend my recommendation to be like, I bought these more like normal clothing things. Like I bought just a black dress, like a black everyday, very comfortable, very wearable dress. Yes, it has pockets. Yes, it's cut great.

I just feel like the quality of the clothing is actually like really pretty good. So it's not the cheapest clothing. I feel like most of it's around like $60 price point, which I would consider real money. But I think you do get that quality. Like I think it is worth the money. So I really like that dress that I got. And then I recently got, I guess it's like a romper. They call it a bike shorts catsuit. But it's basically like bike shorts and a tank top that are attached. And it's the most convenient fucking thing. Like I almost kind of wonder how I did not have this in my life.

earlier because then you just like throw something over it and you're done i don't know it's so practical and so good i'm all about comfort and convenience in my clothes these days i mean yeah particularly i was like yes i need this because either i'll just like lie around the house in it right because it's comfortable as hell or if i'm trying to look nice and you like put something like sheer over it and it's basically acting like a slip but you don't have to worry about your thighs rubbing together it's it's really it's How did I live without it? No idea. So I would recommend other stuff from them. I feel like it's cool. It's made in the US and it seems like it's all pretty well made. So that was my update to that. My new recommendation was I wanted to recommend, I found this on Instagram. I think just because I spent too much time on Instagram. I think it was recommended to me. I'm not really sure. But it's a maker called Sugar Bombing that does like Sanrio, like Hello Kitty mashup with like Fuck the Police stuff or like Black Lives Matter stuff.

Was this a niche I knew I needed? No, this was not a hole I knew was in my heart. But as soon as I saw this, I went, I need this. I need this in my life. I've been looking for this and I didn't even know because the illustrations are so spot on. Like they look so much like real Hello Kitty shit, except Hello Kitty is like holding a Molotov cocktail by a burning Minneapolis police car. And the like Minneapolis police car is like in the Hello Kitty style. And specifically Minneapolis police department, which I think is amazing.

So I ordered a bunch of stickers from them after finding this. They have a sticker sheet that's a benefit for Black Lives Matter. I got that. I got their sticker zine, which is just like a little sticker book that has like pages of stickers in it. And I got another one that's like all cops are bastards or something. Something along those lines. I think you have pictures of it on our Twitter for sure if you want to see your haul.

Right, because I was like, where's a Republican? I want them to know that I bought these stickers with unemployment money. And you know what? No one said anything. So I guess I didn't find a Republican. But the quality of these items is like really pretty darn good. It really seems like a Sanrio thing that's just Hello Kitty with a Molletop cocktail, which makes me insanely happy. And really, I cannot tell you how much I love stickers. I think this is something I had repressed about myself for a long time because I am a grown-ass adult.

god damn do i do they make me happy okay i need to know where you put your stickers though because this is my problem i love stickers but i buy them and then i'm like too nervous to like commit to sticking them on something i totally understand so this is what's happened in quarantine is i years ago bought just a white ikea desk that mostly honestly just has crap on it most of the time but it's supposed to be where i like paint and make stuff in theory um and just being stuck in the house all the time i was like i'm so sick of looking at this white stupid ikea desk so i've been covering it in stickers stickers that i've hoarded for years and years like you know, band stickers and yeah, actual Hello Kitty stickers and just whatever. My sticker hoard is now completely covering one side of this desk, which means that I look at them all the time. It's great. Great decorating tip right there. I like it. If you have something plain you don't really like, have you considered covering it in stickers? Like completely covering it like a club bathroom. Where's that HGTV show? You could host it. Yeah, my show. I think I wanted to call my show You're Welcome, but then someone reminded me that's what, because I wanted it to be where people came home to their house and they're like, oh my God, Liz, you just put...

lawn flingos everywhere. And I'd go, you're welcome. But someone pointed out that was what John Hodgman's segment on The Daily Show used to be called. And I was like, oh yeah, that is absolutely where I got that idea. He would just give people like unnecessary information and they'd be like, you're welcome. So funny. Okay. So yeah, cover things in stickers, possibly from Sugar Bombing, which is based in Mexico. And every time I've like posted on social media about it, they've been like, oh, thank you so much. They're like so sweet. And I was like, don't worry. I love these Hello Kitty Throwing Molotov cocktail stickers. I will give you all the free press you want.

They're pretty amazing. They're pretty great. All right. I have a recommendation that sort of also came from Instagram and also came from you. This is a shop that, and I wasn't going to recommend, well, okay. So I was going to recommend this last week because the item in particular that I'm recommending was supposed to be in stock again on Friday, but of course we skipped recording an episode. So then I was like, oh, this can't be my recommendation. But then I was looking at their Instagram today and unfortunately for them, but maybe fortunately for you, if you want to get your hands on this item, their restock was like delayed in transit. The shipping, probably COVID related. They had a shipping issue. So they're, as of today, this is the weekend. So this is a pair of slippers that you recommended.

to me i'm recommending the whole shop really this is um m and sprout on etsy and instagram em and sprout like sprout um liz sent me this link to these fuzzy house slippers that are bright orange jack-o'-lantern oh i bought them yeah yeah they're so soft and cozy and just like So extra, this bright neon orange. They are very orange. They're the orangest thing I've ever looked at. It's like high-vis orange. Like if you were on a construction site and you were wearing a vest, that's this orange. But they're so comfortable. I've been wearing them nonstop. It's like my new work shoes now since I'm working from home. I love them. And actually, everything in their shop is adorable. They have stickers and pins. Most of it's spooky. I'm looking at some alien earrings right now. I actually bought a sweatshirt from them this weekend. I bought this cute gray hoodie with these little bats on them. Oh, yeah. I know exactly what you're talking about.

They have also these jack-o'-lantern shoes that you can buy. Anyway, the slippers were supposed to be back in stock last Friday. And I was like, oh, perfect. If we record an episode, I'll recommend them. And then the episode will come out on Thursday. People might actually be able to get their hands on them. But according to their Instagram, the slippers were delayed in transit. And there's no date for when they'll be back in stock. But it doesn't seem like it's going to be super soon. So keep your eye. Again, you can probably follow their Instagram because I'm getting a lot of updates from there.

It is mandsprout on Instagram. If you want to maybe get some of these for yourself, you can keep an eye on there. And for updates, it's just everything. I love cute, spooky Halloween things. I feel like I always buy a lot of Halloween decor and things around this year, but I feel like I may even, like, not being able to go to the stores may actually drive me to buy more Halloween shit this year. I don't know. I'm already starting and it's not even August yet. This is supposed to be our Halloween prep season before our busy social season, but that's not going to happen this year. So it's a good thing we really lived it up, particularly the past two years, where we had sort of a...

unsustainable level of Halloween activity. We did a lot of Halloween activities last year. We were doing like three things a week. It's like, we're really, I was like, okay, good thing Christmas is coming. I got to slow down. Right. So yeah, that's not going to happen this year. So we're gonna have to think of some other ways to celebrate, which is probably just spending money. I mean, crafting maybe baking, but honestly.

You can watch some movies. But you should watch those movies wearing these house slippers because they're very soft and comfortable. And they're, like, slides so they don't cover your toes, which for some reason I like. Well, I like it because my feet don't get too hot then. Like, even in the winter, wearing, like, I like to wear slippers, but wearing ones that completely cover my feet, my feet get sweaty, and then the slippers get gross. Like, these ones are perfect because they're soft, they have, like, a rubber bottom, and they're, like, warm enough but not too warm. I don't know. I highly recommend. And they're a little silly because they're bright orange, but I kind of love that about them. I like that we ordered these in the summer. Like, yep, need these jack-o'-lantern slippers. I mean, obviously I did, but even you did, so that's great. This maker...

Kevin Sprout is like an OG Etsy person. They've been on Etsy forever and ever. Like, I don't know. It seems like decades at this point. Um, so I've ordered a few different things from them over the years and they've all been really good. Like just really good quality, super cute. Like I've given stuff as gifts. People have loved it. So that's a, that's a solid recommendation. Yeah. I think they're, you know, they have good stuff and I think they're very reliable and, and all that. I had a shirt from them that had bats on it.

years ago and i got so many compliments on that shirt my bat t-shirt have a shirt that has a haunted house on it with yeah it's so cute i can't believe i don't have that yet well so i was really torn between the bat sweatshirt and the haunted house sweatshirt and what god i don't like wearing hoodies with hoods i don't know why i just never have and does anyone actually put that hood on no only m&m so i don't think so but for some reason the hood just dangling there for some reason i just don't like that and i own hoodies that i never wear and so i was like okay well I'm going to get the ghost, which the ghost is adorable. But I'm going to keep an eye on their Etsy to see if they get a hoodless haunted house hoodie because they're so cute. Their stuff is super cute. And yeah, I love these slippers. Yeah, they're great. I don't know how you get something like that made, but I'm super impressed. I think they're really good. Yeah, agreed. Is that everything that we have for today, ladies and gentlemen, of the werewolf smackdown book club? I think so. Ladies and gentlemen, friends and enemies, I mean. Yeah, I think we're going to wrap it up. So we want your five star reviews. We want them. Give them to us.

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