The Rebellion's Build Con Hub And welcome to another episode of Regal Rebellum, a Star Wars podcast. I am your host, I'm a Doctor De Rón, I am almost asleep, what I'm here, we're doing this today, we have friends, I co-hosts, I think that's what we're doing also, they are always and I guess leading the city to a collider, rider, actor, most importantly, our friend, and great overall great person, Maggie Lovett, Maggie, how are you doing today? Pretty good, I'm so happy to be back! Yes, it's been a while, I think it was like the book of Boa for Finale or something, last time you were here.
Yeah, it was a while ago. I didn't work, life got in the way, we had a couple, I think Harry probably shows you couldn't make, but it's Andor week, if it was one person, it was, it had to be you, if we only had one guest for Andor, it had to be Maggie, we'll get to it, I mean, oh thank you for doing today. I'm fine, thank you, thank you for asking. Yeah, I didn't forget you, you're there, survive this storm, family soon will.
I technically wasn't here when it happened, but yeah. But still flying there, not knowing why it's going to be waiting for you. It was impressive because the planer to Puerto Rico was always like kind of cool when you get to the down, see a model, everything was like pitch black. Wow.
Yeah, I've done that flight after Maria five years ago, when I went to visit my dad. Oh, you came here after Maria? Yeah, my dad was in the hospital. I can see that day before he got moved to intensive care.
And I tried flying like two days after, of course, like couldn't wait a whole week and then fly over and I was, I was bad. All right, so we're here. No, sorry. Talking Star Wars, talking Andor, we'll get to you in a minute.
And always, we always start. Also, if you're new to show thanks for being here, make sure you subscribe, comment, thumbs up, all those fun things that we're supposed to say when we start our episodes, you know how to do it. If you listen to this later on, the audio podcast, thank you also. And just it was a great interview, all that stuff.
And we always kind of don't forget about the Amidale initiative for equality, text, what shows, all the great fundraisers out there that I needed a lot of people need help, but also this time, all the myself being Puerto Rico, take a couple minutes. Just talk about where is this? So yes, just mention it a little bit. Hurricane went through the island last week.
It's now going to Canada even stronger. So I'm sure, I always thought that we didn't have everything's fine. But all day we know Puerto Rico wasn't bad shit before Maria. People forget that Hurricane Irma was, I think, category four, hit like a week before, then Maria, then the Great Square, Puerto Rico never recovered.
And even before that everything was bad. And nowadays even category one still hurts a lot of people. Category one, barely hit the island. And you know, there's still like 55% of the people still don't have power.
I think like 50% of the people don't have water. It's infuriating, man. It's like we had five years after Maria to prepare. There's $11 billion for the power grid.
No one's using them. And here we are, man. Like, we'll talk about it when we get to the episode. I was so cranky when Amber premiered.
You know what? I'm going to watch it, angry and impress me on it by the end. Yeah, you're cheating. I haven't ever.
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, it was great.
I can't wait to talk about it. But yeah, down there just scrolling down a bunch of places. All day you tweeted out some of it. My friend goes from childy forest to it out also.
So there's a bunch of places for help people. If they need any type of legal advice also for displaced pets, there's also links. And in that description of the video, there's a bunch of links that you can go to. And so it's helpful if you can, spread the word, whatever.
I'm from animal associations who don't need to go to food. Just don't give it to the government. Yes, all these are links for people working boots on the ground like they say going straight to the people that need it, FEMA, all those places weren't the best before. Just go to the people like, actually, that's why we totally were able to try to do a fundraiser.
But a lot of these places don't have to go from me straight to them. So let's just spread the word a little bit. Yes. So again, links down in the description of the video.
This will also be for the audio podcast. We'll be all the links there. All right. When I have your notes, Star Wars.
So if you guys are ready, I'm no one ready. Let's talk Star Wars and it's the Android files. I've been in this fight since I was six years old. Six years old.
Ah, a little bit older, but we are not a whole story. We'll learn more. All right. So Maggie, I said, when we started, if we were going to have one guest, it was going to be you to talk about our friend and or you haven't back there.
I see that new one, which I don't have the bearded and or it's funny because in every show when they want to have someone appear older, they just put a beard and he's younger. He and his full beard. Oh, man, I wish I had that at whatever age he had. But Maggie, anyone that knows you know your love for one, your love for this character.
Not just a Star Wars family, what it meant to you in your personal life, advocating all that stuff. And you have the opportunity in Star Wars celebration to meet Deolun and to interview him a little bit. How was that like, again, as a Star Wars family, just as a person in general? Oh my gosh.
As a person, I was like, I just couldn't believe it was happening. Like just being in that room and being like, see, could they hand you these little sheets when you're in the press room? Like, who's going to come through the line? And I was holding on my hand and I just could not believe that his face was on the sheet.
Like he was going to come down the line and it was such a magical experience and he's so nice and he's so kind. And he seemed like genuinely because I got to talk to him a little bit about like how Row 1 and Cassian like really like sparked me to get involved with politics and to do all this stuff. Like I talked to him about like how that was so relevant in 2016 and it's even more relevant now and like how Cassian's story coming back and like being told is like, you know, so important. And he seemed like so generally like thrilled to hear that and to hear that character could have an impact on people.
Yes, I saw those photos. I saw you. I saw Arsu and it's one of those. Oh man, I feel so good for them because they're great people and they're getting to meet all these characters and real people that mean something to them.
All the I mentioned here that Deolun will be, if I could interview a meet as Star Wars actor, it would be him just because Deolun has for these franchise. If you could ultimately meet or interview someone for your show or just down the street, Star Wars, who would it be? I'll start with this story. I got to meet my favorite drummer and musician at a while time and I was a nervous wreck.
I couldn't talk. I couldn't keep myself. So no one probably. I don't know if I could talk to anyone.
Deolunun could be up there because he just seems like such a cool dude. I'll go with Deolunun. We can talk to him. I'll be able to relax.
We can talk to him. I'll be able to relax. We can talk to him. Relax.
Talk about why these shows. Oh no, Jimmy Smith. Yeah. It's a freaking vibe going.
Yeah. All right. So Android dropped like four years in the waiting. We've been waiting for this show to come out since it was 2018.
I said it here 20 times. My most anticipated Star Wars show, try to drop everyone. When crazy how good it looked, it's the story gonna be delivered. Overall thoughts, Maggie.
They didn't deliver these first three episodes. Oh, it delivered. So I watched this like 50 days before it ended up airing. Because I got it the week before they made the, we're gonna push it off until September and do a three-hour episode.
Oh wow. I was like, of all the shows to get that I can't talk about for like 50 days, it was, it killed me. But it was so good. So again, before they came out this week, and it's just so good.
It's everything that I hope for for Cassian's character because there's so much good, meaty character development, like even in those first three episodes, seeing his childhood and the very specific point yet way that they have approached his childhood is just everything I could have asked for in Star Wars. Altye, for you. You mentioned you were a little bit cranky. Getting back to the island.
What you finally sat down to watch Andor. How quickly did that frown turn upside down if you want to be a little bit cheesy here? Well, that wasn't that quick because the first two episodes are kind of summer. But as the first episode ended, I was, you know, as the first sequence of the first episode ended with the music and the Blade Runner elements, I was like, kind of into it.
So I just want to say like, someone who literally had Maggie on the show to have some positivity around Rogue One because I don't really talk that much about that movie. I remember when Maggie said, oh, and there's my most anticipated Star Wars anything, I was like, at that point, I wasn't like that high for the show, but as like trailers and pictures and everything have been popping up, I've been getting so hyped. And I was afraid I was like, am I too hyped for this? And like as the three episodes and I was like, nah.
Yeah, especially like Maggie said, she got to watch it a month ago before he was supposed to, but then a lot of people were able to see like a week before they got to see those first episodes. They started hyping everything's like, Oh, man, though, we don't need the hype right now. We got to go into it, not low expectations, but kind of even kill. And I think it helps out.
It's like so different that you really can't get your headspace around what you're going to see until you actually see it. So let's talk about before we go into each episode. I don't think you think. Yeah, you can give it to us.
I'm trying. I'm sleeping. No, I love it. I put it on Twitter two days ago.
This is my most anticipated anything Star was when it was announced because I love, I really enjoyed Rogue One. I like the character of Androbo. What it meant that sent it, I said everything I did for the rebellion. What was that?
Right? I want to see what that word, how the rebellion got to that point. And then what I think we're going to get and I really also wanted to see at that point was this from the Empire side. How does it the Empire deal with all the rebel cells are starting up?
Among them, people in the Empire, not everyone is talking or a krenic. And we saw a little bit with some of those koi posh, just it is spaghetti. I do just let it go. I'm the chief.
I'm going to a convention meeting with the Empire to tell them everything's okay. Don't mess up my graphics. And they say, I can't, I will get to that. But overall, I love that.
We'll get to it. I know Mo is in the chat. Mo, let us know. Yeah, I'm out.
Yeah. I was reading the Empire article about Andor and I saw a quote from Tony Gilroy that I thought was such a good summation of the show. These people are the gravel that the Rosarvelli was paid for. And I was like, that is such a good description of the show.
The more you read all these interviews now that Tony Gilroy has been doing it for a few weeks. And I told you about the month ago, we know more about season two already, that season one. I'm afraid to talk about it, which I think is such a nice, refreshing breath. Like, you know what's happening.
You kind of have a field of what's going to happen. And like, who's going to be back? I was like, but I was like terrified that he'll be like, Oh, Marva's such a great character. Yeah, Marva dies in episode eight.
I thought she was going to get a heart attack or something, but I'm worried for her. Yes, she's cold. She's cold. She's cold.
She's from Mac. Yeah, we'll get to that. But I think universally or for the most people it's been great reception for the reviewers and for defense. It's pockets fermenting out there, but nothing major.
Some of the... You mean the booklickers that were talking about the core codes are great and like, you're calling that cops? No, I'll talk about the core codes and I'll be the defender here. All right.
So the big complaints were all lack of Easter eggs and French service, which again, it's the first couple of days on land. I got point to all the different aliens that I saw from every Star Wars saga and from solo. We probably use the creature stuff that they have. They have so many creature costumes.
They just recycled that. Yeah, I saw the guy from Force Awakens that has the yellow thing, the big one that drags the stuff, the metal vulture sitting on the ships. I saw those guys. I saw freaking Tito also.
There's a lot of stuff. And then the other... I'm not like it when there's that weird guy with a smiling bass just like ambling along having the good man. It was like...
Yes, I mean, yeah, just when you met that person. And then, and Maggie, I think you tweeted something to this point that at once it was a lot of people said, oh, you can't compare this to all the Star Wars show or don't use this to compare to all the Star Wars. I was like, okay, there's a balance. Don't say everything else sucks.
This is great. But of course you can compare this. They're doing this better than the other. I mean, I do.
Guys feel that those two kind of complaints are valid or people just... That's the only thing they could... The Easter Egg complaint? The Easter Egg complaint, I think we kind of mentioned it, but yeah, thank you.
I'm a huge fan of comparing contrast. I mean, I have a literature background and that's what like a bulk of what literary analysis is, is taking two similar books and comparing how they do better or worse. And I like doing that with Star Wars too. I mean, I even compare Star Wars to Star Trek.
I think that Star Trek does really well with their animated kids show Prodigy or the things sometimes like Clone Wars and like Bad Batch doesn't really achieve the like teaching kids things while entertaining them and including them in a franchise. And I think that comparing contrast is the most natural thing when you're watching things that you love and you see like, oh, this is doing really well whereas this other show did a little bit better. Like, I instantly loved Andor when every single character had a name. They had a character motivation and you can see the trajectory of their like art where like almost three seasons of Mando and there's still like, you know, kind of nothing about any of the characters.
Like you have like hints of things but they're still so underdeveloped that you would just crave more and I love that instantly with Andor. That was like my big thing where I was like, this does it a lot better and it's different story teller styles. I mean, Dave and John are very different from Tony Gilroy. I mean, he is indeed like a legacy style like franchise maker.
Yeah. Okay. For any of these complex value, how do you see those points? I mean, I get grumpy when it's like purely like bad faith like like, I'll take that man.
That was like the same company do like, yeah, it's fine. I guess. Different creatives. Yeah.
And like I'm a fan of variety like I'm not like the biggest Mando fan, you know, whenever it comes on, I like it and watch it. But I don't need everything to be like, you know, before example, like I was over the moon with that show and I'm happy to get and or that's totally different and the vibe is totally different. So I get grumpy once in a bad, bad faith way, but you know, comparisons are natural, especially in the same fandom, like, like it's going to happen. So like it's not that you can't compare them just like be conscious of how you do it and what you're comparing because sometimes people compare apples and orange.
Okay. Yeah. They're both great apples are great. I mean, so great.
Everyone to like everything like that's what's so great. It's the same with Marvel. Like you're allowed to like some things and all like other things. You don't have to like the entire franchise.
I mean, geez, I mean, it's like more of the rings books. I like some of them more than I like others. Like children with a K, but I love the original trilogy. You know, like it.
Yeah. Yeah. No, it's totally for me, at least the Easter egg thing. I don't care.
Give me all of them. I said, if you're a fan service Easter eggs, I don't care. Oh, there's any other background. I don't care.
I don't watch it. And if not, they are kind of an Easter egg for Rogue One, right? Yes. I mean, but we talked about it when the article came out like, it's only go to say like, Hey, we're not going to have like, we're two of those Easter eggs.
They'll be there for serving the story and the article's like, he says never. Yeah. Again, it's people just here reading the headline and not when you read to it on Twitter. Are you sure you want to read it?
No, I just want to scream at the point. I just want to set up the Aki Aki in the background. Like they said no Easter eggs. I'm like, is that even like a show?
Just have a black background and just voice over it. Yeah. Whatever. Nothing in the background.
Yeah. We're so great. And same thing. You can compare shows and I said it.
Same like you said with Mando. I like Mando. I love when he showed up in Book of Effect. You know, my thoughts on Grogo.
Grogo can stay on the back. Whatever. I have them. I just...
I just... That's me meditating the negativity. Where's my life size Grogo? I got one back here.
It's right there. Next to... I can actually... I think I'm...
That's look. Anyway. So last thing before we jump in. Oh, actually, because you mentioned story Trek and Lord Dax, the animation how great it is.
Do you think it might be even a younger crowd that Star Wars, young Jedi Adventure might be kind of leaning that way for Star Wars universe? So hopeful. I'm so hopeful. I love stuff that introduces kids to franchises and much more friendly and more consumable ways.
Because like, certain Clone Wars is fine, but there's a lot of big themes that might lessen like how much they understand or how much they care about it. And I think making characters that are their ages that are like facing big situations is like the perfect way to bring kids in. Because pretty much everybody except for Anakin and Phantom Menace is a child. It isn't a child.
He's like the only child. And then you have him grow up and he becomes a really bad person. So it's like, I want kids to have like characters their own age. Even Baby Yoda isn't their age.
She's 50. So there's no real child characters for kids to be introduced to. Yeah, I know. I don't say I hope so.
That's so what I'm interested to see what it is. I saw the goofy creatures. I'm like, yes, I'm so excited for it. I know.
What was it? Never something? Blue little bear. Yeah, no good.
And I love the shorts they do on YouTube. They have some really good. Yeah, they're all awesome. All of that.
And those are fun. Yeah. By the way, so Mo loves how unapologetically political the show is. And she also loves that it's about people and their decisions and how that pushes them.
Totally agree. So let's jump into episode one. So price that they did three episodes, but it was the right decision because they just flow together. And I know I want to say what's for season two that when you say that was the idea that every three episodes that one year arc, I'm not sure if it's for season one, every three episode will also kind of be back to back.
I have a theory that it is because it seems like the directors are directing three episode segments of this. So I have a feeling that like it's very much the three act or kind of thing going on. Have you seen episode four? Yeah, I thought so.
Okay. And does it give you that vibe? Yeah, completely different. So I'm going to say that you and good morning, America, when they changed their mind and they're doing three episodes and I'm like, that makes complete sense because episodes one through three are one contained story.
Episode four goes a completely different direction. Okay. Okay. All right.
We'll talk after the show. No, no. It's not even that sort of a children trailer. So it's like, it's not that big.
So episode one came in with all her. They said this late running vibe. There's allusions to sex in Star Wars. They don't want crazy.
Forgot about everything. Oh, no, it's Disney. How can they do this? They said shit.
Yeah, there's brothe flare. So a lot happened that in the story is five minutes. Like you said, Oti, if you make cash on, you're going to die. The first person he meets and wrote one dies.
The first person here dies. Again, they were asking for it. But and then of course, we go and we're such getting those flashbacks, but Oti just overall impression of that first episode before we jump into some things that weren't any that didn't work. I love the first episode and especially like that first sequence, like just the vibe and you know, the sneaking around everything's like very dark.
I don't know. It really, really sets the mood to the era that we're in. Like they're not directly hiding from the empire, but it sets that mood. Like we have to sneak around and then when we get to the ferrix and everything.
But I was really impressed, honestly. Yeah. Maggie, the same thing. And also when we started seeing the corporate sector police or the corporate whatever the name is very long and we started seeing those policemen or detective or chiefs, whatever I call them, they're just pencil pushers or paper pushers.
Dude, I just want to get through my shift. I don't want any paper. So how was your vibe after watching this first episode? Just general thoughts on it.
I was obsessed with the Blade Runner vibes. I'm a fan of Blade Runner. I love the aesthetic. I loved the scene composition, just like the lighting with the blue.
I definitely was really excited about the canonization of brothels because I don't know if either of you read fanfics, but the Star Wars fandom, particularly the Mando fandom, is very into brothels. And I was like, they're going to be the Tumblr girlies are going to be happy. It's canonized. They exist.
I need to go check. I was really full of it. But I was just so surprised. That's why I was like, okay, this is definitely going to be a different kind of Star Wars.
They felt very mature, very gritty. I was like, okay, Tony is tapping into the things that I've loved his previous work or like taking a story and like elevating it to this much more like dangerous, like gritty realm. Right from the start, I love that it didn't like lure you in with like, sweet and innocent. It was like, this is a man who kills when he has to kill, which is the same thing.
That was why I loved him in Rogue One. Like he went instantly and they're like, yeah, he's an okay person. I thought he murdered people. Like he has to do a yes to you.
It's interesting how they portray that because the first skill it's an accident. But the second one, like you're like, oh, he does it. Okay. He's not going to go with him to police.
Yeah, no, but us fans were like, where is Andra at this point? Is he because leaving him alive, I think it's kind of a mistake. And then, but you see as the episodes go on that he's not proud of it. He's suffering from when he and Marba have that talk.
He's like, I messed up. I don't, I gotta get out of here. He's not like, uh, another one for my show. I really appreciated that.
It's not portrayed as him being this hero that killed the bad guys. Like, no, he's screwed up. And then you see an episode three, he doesn't kill Carl when he has the opportunity to and in fact, we simply kill him. Kill him.
He doesn't. And so it's interesting to see that like, I feel like that moment in the first episode is very much one of those situations where it's like, they see my face, they know where I am, they know where I was looking for because they were listening to my conversation. I can't leave this. Like, and I'm trying to steal money from him and just being awful.
So I found the credits. Just to tell you. You have to do a murder. Yeah, that's fine.
There's no cameras. There's no cameras around. There's no CCTV at the end of episode three. I was waiting for someone with a cell phone to get all the police brutality.
Oh, no, no, no, this is not real life. What did it do to the X and Tim? Tim, Tim, right? We've been talking about freaking Star Wars names.
What voice was done? And we get team with two. I'm just strolling down messing it up with two you. Tim, we'll get the team.
You should put like an apostrophe or something. Yeah. We'll get more. Let's play the accent.
This is his last name. But then Cyril Khan, our friend Cyril Khan, who handled his suit. I love his love works so much. I love him.
I just want to like. Because during all the trailers, I think he's going to switch. At one point, he's going to switch. And now for this, I'm like, no, he's like 100%.
He's chronic 2.0. He's trying to drive through the ranks. But the thing about him is that he also is completely unprepared for the consequences of action. Yes.
He did nothing. I know we're jumping ahead to episode 3. But he did nothing. He was like, yeah, like three times by this guy that just showed up.
Oh, I was all on the way here on the right. Oh, pockets for mountain. Oh, yeah, I know something. Sorry.
You need that crappy speech. I know. That's because of my favorite scene. Like, you're going to give a speech and he's like, what are you doing?
You're going to arrest one guy. No, 14 people to be sure. Yes. This is police brutality right there.
That was for me, like one of the most like over the head things. Like we're doing like, we're going to arrest one guy with 14 guys. Like, what is this? Yeah.
So there also like, like, like, blast rifles and everything. Again, it's just one guy. They got rifles. They got more and more paranoid.
Oh my God. There's more of them. They're everywhere. I love that sequence.
I love that sequence. All this escalation that we've seen. A lady. Just put it in their way in.
Not actually showing their warrants. Mm hmm. Premore security. So every single woman.
Oh, what's he saying? When he says that he like took his uniform in or whatever, because he's like, that's what he is. My mom, who is a costumer, was like that is disgusting. I hate this character.
Two eight up in his own. Oh man. There is one of those things that just make you not hate this guy. A lot of people love him.
I adore him. But in my instantly new, I instantly knew I was like, the fan girlies are going to love this one. I love him, but in the incompetent idiot kind of way that I love Star Wars. He like hucks light.
Yeah. So, have you guys in the office? For me, he's white. He's white, white fruit.
Yeah. They were company men. They were under the Mifflin men. Like, do what the hell?
When they put him as a man, he doesn't know what to do. Yeah. So, again, if we go deep, deep into every episode, we're here three hours. I can't.
So, if you have to choose three things that you really enjoyed from this first episode, what were they? So, so, so, so, so, so, um, no, um, him, I, every scene with him, I love the, what's the great, um, how, how, how, how, how, so he's fantastic as, as this character. Like, I believe him. I believe what he's portraying, like, um, I believe he's a twerp, um, so another thing I love, as I said that first sequence and be to emo, how does Star Wars keep making loveable droids?
I don't know, but here we are. Look, be to, I was afraid. I was going to be one of those droids that didn't do it for me. One of the first ones because yeah, he looks cute.
I thought you were going to read this BB-8 type in terms of that. He's just chirping around. But when he started talking and the way he talks and he has to make sure you have enough power and you're great. And with the yellow, yellow threads, it's like, oh, it's trippy also, what's all this?
When he's like, I think I have enough charge to lie. I'm like, yeah. And you like too? That's two lies.
I got a charge before this. Right. So for you Maggie, there's three, three things you can point out. And or doing murder.
Um, uh, brocco. I thought he was a fantastic character. Uh, and Vix. How can I not, how have we not mentioned Vix yet?
Yes. So, brocco, I'll say, when I saw him on the trailer, I'm like, there's T-Vic. We're gonna get that reason why he meant T-Vic I friends. Oh, this is Brazil.
Oh, sorry. It's not him. But he's great. And he goes, and like you mentioned at the beginning, we need these background characters that have a purpose.
They have a name. Their story is with our main characters. And we see this throughout the whole three episodes. And I'll get to that at one of my points later.
But yeah, it's so great and Vix. I think I thought that we talked about him with our kind of and our speculation that how much is he gonna be there? He's gonna suffer like some of the characters are gonna die quick or is gonna be there for one or two episodes seems to be a very important character going forward. Uh, did you enjoy Vix?
Yeah. She's the kind of characters that you like immediately love when they show up. Like Adir Hona has like that vibe to her. And, and you know, I'm definitely interested to see where her story goes because she apparently knows Lufen.
So, but she stays in there. So let's see how she'll be like integrated into the rest of the story. Yeah. So for me, we're testing story, taking shape early on.
We don't have to spend 30 minutes kind of him working at this shop before the story kind of goes. It starts. We know where the story is going. Siro Karn, even though I hate him, I like that again.
He's introduced quickly early on. He stole brushes under the rug. I gotta do this report. They were that they die because they jumped the wrong person.
They shouldn't be in that district. Forget about it. And it's like, I can't. And again, it's that side of this not really empire yet.
It's kind of three runs down. But I wanted to see that side of it. The people that just, I'm just here to get a paycheck and the others like, no, no, we gotta do something about it. That's why I love that whatever chief I don't remember the name of the guy.
I gotta go to the empire and give this report. Remind me of something I had to do early, not murder anyone. Just don't call the cops coming. But I had to do a presentation.
I had all my data from like months ago and then something happened that was going to skew it. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I can't do this again. Forget about that.
It happens in real life. So I love seeing that all the aliens, like I mentioned, there's aliens for all the different sagas in Star Wars. I saw their in from solo. And of course the music was great.
The writing and acting. I said, wrote one for me is the best active star wars movie. And this is right there with some of the best TV show in Star Wars acting was everyone wrote their agent. So those were kind of my three things.
Any dislikes or anything you didn't like? No, man. No. Maggie, anything for you that you wish was a little bit different.
No, I was really happy with this. And I should say, I know a lot of people are like, oh, it's so slow to start with. But like, and which is another reason why I was so glad I decided to do three episodes in first is very slow. But I like the pacing because I think there's something interesting about the concept of this and the way that it's been conceived.
I also love that it's 5 BBY because it's like a countdown because we know, we know where it's headed. So it feels like a countdown. And I think what's interesting by the much slower pace of these first three episodes is the fact that that that's how situations like this go. This is the quiet before the storm.
And it's that he's living, he's not living a quiet life because he's causing trouble. He clearly has like a history of like getting into trouble. But he's not, this is like the rumbles before the actual storm arises. And I think that really, there's layers to it.
Like the structure of the show is so fascinating to me, especially since we know season two is going to be a much more like expedited process. I think that anxiety will be like pulled through. Like it was slow to start and now we're racing towards his death. Yeah.
When people, that's something I never kind of understood too much. And people, oh, this was too slow. It's like, it's kind of stuck in the current use of the story. It's not action, actually, even though there are action pieces set out through it.
And I guess for the most part for this Star Wars show, we're kind of more kind of used to all the action around it. But I love the way that it went. Maybe if it was one episode per week and we'll see now with episode four, maybe it feels different. But like you said, having all three maybe helped that.
But at least I didn't care about it because it's totally wasn't there. It wasn't just like I mentioned before him working on nine to five years for 20 minutes and then jumping to what happened in the brothel. This likes, I don't have any really to say what's most most saying. Yeah, most says she, the three things she loved.
Casa and the canary scenes, Brasso and Cassian yelling to the cup. That's here. Oh, yeah. So he took that gun away.
Oh, man. Yeah. That scene, everything in that brothel was great when the woman comes out and is trying to explain what he's looking for his sister. And then the interaction with the two guys.
When he gives them the hearts, they're all, that's a hard look for a little thing like you or something. And then the confrontation at the end was so great. That's why you bring people like Tony Giro and all the writers behind all the directors. When you look at the rest, it's like, oh, yeah, this is going to be something different.
All right. So I think episode one, we can't accord it. So episode two, not much shorter, but it was a 35 to 37 minute length. I was a bit worried about it.
I still am with all these different episodes. I just watched Ringo Power. That's two episodes. It's a 73 minutes each.
So now then go to 35 and then a four is like, dude, come on, give me a longer one. I'm like, just make it however long it has to be. Don't concern yourself with those things. I have because I thought there is three minutes of previously on then five minutes of credits and I start doing math, which I don't want.
Don't do that, man. Don't do that. Turn it right off. All right.
This is a math rebound. I'll try that. When I start looking at the unknown, they say math three. I think about it.
So anyway, episode two drops. Did you notice any difference? Or did we talk about this one of the interviews a while ago? Every episode of the interview, a little bit different.
The theme is going to have little notes. You notice any of it now jumping to episode two? So with episode two, not really, but with episodes three, a little bit. It's not that drastic though.
I forgot about it. After I watched all three, then, oh, yeah, that was a cool intro. A little and the moon change. I love the shot of the moon.
It kind of gave me like 2001. Five. Yeah. It's cool.
It's cool seeing a star where she has a little intro. Everything now has all those moon and half into the school. So episode one, like Mosse, we saw a little bit of Cassian's early age in January. Indeed, you notice people know adults around?
Only the kids. Who knows what happens? That's the flies, baby. I have kids running around.
They're creepy. You gotta be careful. Chiller on the corn, all that stuff. I've been watching Delo jackets.
So I'm kind of into that. I'm like, oh my God, what are they going to do? I'm not watching. I don't know.
But episode two, Maggie. We know this story. We know that people are after Cassian. Zero corn went to the spaghetti eating cups to the other guy over the TV screen.
Find what that is. Do it now. But it's going to take forever. Also, I'm going to take your chair.
The story is going. So episode two, just overall thought sign. I loved it. I absolutely love the canary stuff.
I love the intentional decision not to have any sort of translation of the children and everything is very much like you infer and like they're such good actors because you understand exactly what the conversations they're having and they're like little ceremony and going off to look at the crash site and all of that you understand. And what I thought was interesting was seeing the mining facility because this is something I've always been really fascinated with. You see it a little bit more in the prequel, not the prequel sea, sea bulgeology with Rose talking about what happened to her planet and what the first order did stripping it of all of its minerals. And so I thought the mining stuff with canary was really interesting because that's probably what happened to all of her parents.
They probably all went to work one day and never came back. And now they've had to form a society to move on. But that's probably been a few years. And that's why he's been in the since he was six because the empire probably caused his family to die.
And I just think that is so fascinating and the way that they're constructing it just threw into episode three with Marva and Glenn and all of that. The stuff that Diego said about this being an immigrant story is so interesting because it's also forced assimilation basically. He was taken. And the way that it is constructed as an anthropologist is fascinating.
I want more of this in Star Wars. I want to see the fallout of the empire on people. I mean that's why I like about the hieroglyphics because you're seeing the stuff out of random colonization and all of that stuff that makes it so interesting. That's why information is a role character.
I was trying not to blame them. You see Cassianne. All that they do is to keep you away from your family and your sister. But yes, we've been from the trailers.
We were waiting for this. This is a kind of an digital story, colonization, how is this going to happen? And all of the being in this rising six years. So what does this mean?
And then same as you know, I love that they kept it just a different language and just back tracking a little bit to when you say we got the data fired. I love also in this show when we get a rubbish and they translate it for important things. I don't have to go, let me translate it like Mandalorian and all those people that love doing this. Yes, tell me what the important thing is.
Yes, the kids, we need them to be that way in that plan. But I don't need to spend 30 minutes to learn that in our website. Can you tell me? If it's important, we're looking for a hand or we're looking for someone called us now.
Yes, let us know. We don't know everything. I'll take it for you episode two, even the worst shorter. You don't care about it.
You love this episode. Yeah, I have to be very honest. All three episodes mesh into one. So I'm having right now a hard time separating what was episode one, episode three, episode two.
But yeah, I had no complaints when I ended going to the Kanari stuff. I also like, as I'm pretty sure they was connected to this, but the whole thing of the Amazon's burning and how companies and corporations have slowly destroyed that forest. And so seeing that, seeing these indigenous kids, that shot of him looking at the mining facility was very shocking. The ship crashing, the technology arriving to their space.
So that was for me very interesting. And I really want to learn more about what happened in Kanari and to what Maggie said. That shock of suddenly being with your tribe or family or whatever. And then being with these two dudes that you don't know that speak a different language.
And yeah, she took him for very good reasons. But it's still a shock and it's going to have a trauma on him. And I can't wait to see that. Yeah.
I'm looking at the way that he saw himself for the first time. I had no reflection for the first time. I was just like, this is a masterpiece, this is a trauma, this is everything. It was so good.
Because I feel like we always see planets where people speak basic or everybody knows how to communicate with each other. Or they have something that they can translate. And this idea of an isolated place that has been ruined by the empire, these children are without their family. And these people are coming in and be like, oh, he doesn't speak basic.
I guess we should just take him with no thought. He's got family here. He's got people here. I know she did a good thing, but still she completely changed the entire trajectory of his life because of one, you know, the real-to-hell is paid with good intentions.
Yeah. If we need to make some episode, we'll make some episode. I'll try to keep it. It's so connected.
Sorry. It's fine. Also, you didn't get the show notes. We're going to have a few survivors.
It's fine. So episode two for my notes, the first thing is the canal reminding disaster. Because then it connects to catalyst, it connects to rock one. Even though no Easter eggs is there.
Every time the empire messes up a planet, just shock it to a mining disaster. No one's going to ask. It's always a mining disaster. So I love seeing that it's still falling all that.
But like you mentioned, just walking in the same-year planet, whatever you leave, just to parts. Like you said, it's real life, the Amazon and what's happening everywhere. And of course you have to know about it. Here's another show on Amazon.
Pan and Zico, which talks about communities and all that. I mentioned it because at least in Latin American culture, something that's very present, very much talked about. So, again, one of those things that we're not used to in Star Wars and having those connections to real world issues, but it's done in a way that means something. It's not like, ah-hah, look, this cup is hitting on a minority.