The Rebellion is built on her. And welcome to another episode of Fright O'Rebele, Hey Star Wars, Mokas, on program everyone, on program. I'm here on this tour over Saturday with our friends this year. How are you doing, how are you doing, how are you doing?
I'm crammed in here, as you can see, a lot of boxes. Alright, hopefully a little bit better than last week when you're still fighting COVID. Oh no, I feel great now, but look, I'm standing desk. Oh, oh my goodness.
That's not what's right there. You have the technology, finding no more pillows, no more floors. Yeah, I have. But we have a great guest, your nose again, in the rebellion.
Roberto, and I guess how you doing Roberto. Hi everyone, I'm doing great. I'm excited to talk about Andar, especially this freaking episode. Right, man.
Where do we go from here? It's like, how do you top this? But I have all the companies in the world. Yeah, it's gonna be difficult.
And of course, getting to a few minutes, we've talked about this three kind of episode. Or is it gonna get repetitive? Or are we just gonna know before it happens? And I wasn't jumping out of my chair when all three episodes of a prison break.
But man, they don't miss. And this episode was another quality episode. So I will get to it. I love how they said they were gonna like drift away from the three episodes.
And now, yeah, every song, that's a standalone. No, come on. It's the first one. All right.
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Not just the hurricane. Everything happens over there unfortunately. Things haven't gotten better in the years than years have gone by. But eventually...
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Vote. Vote. Have your conscious clean, at least you did your part. So I voted by mail early.
If not go there, do it first on Tuesday. Yeah. And drag your friends, your family members, your boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever. Drag into the polls with you.
Yes. I was going to try to put the little... Fat omenas vote. Vote in the Senate when vote of no confidence vote.
That let the Empire end. We don't want that. All right. But before we...
It doesn't go well. No, no, no. All right. We're going to start quick.
But before we jump into Andor, Roberta, the first time that you were here, which was, I know, a year or so ago, maybe a little bit more. You mentioned that you and some of your friends were working on this Kickstarter or working on a short animated movie. And it was going to come back with Kickstarter at some point. We've been waiting and it went live a couple of weeks ago.
Can you talk a little bit more about what it is that you're doing out there? How can people help all those... That fun stuff. Yeah.
So let me give you a little bit of a back story. So this is the short film and animation that we're working on for... It's called House de la Mancia. And this is a project that we've been working on for over 10 years.
I think I worked on it for nine years, but it's 10 years and I'm making. And this is just a bunch of artists wanted to make something. And this is a time where Hollywood was still Hollywood and not being so inclusive and all that. So we just wanted to start making something.
And during the whole pandemic, yes, but some people decided to start a studio and try to work and making this actual movie, this actual short film to life. And so now we're at the point where we find ourselves a really interesting position where we have a little bit of funds, we're still need to raise more. And we started this Kickstarter for a plushie. The goal is to actually not only fund the plushie, but also fund the movie and to get a little bit of word out that this project we're working on.
So this project is coming regardless of how much we are in. Because we've spent so much time and passion and hard work on this that it's going to happen no matter what. So if you have time, just please, we appreciate anybody sharing our story, putting our kicks that are out there. And yeah, just spreading the word for this.
Yeah. And if you're watching this, I put all the links down in this video. So then I developed apart from all the links of all the places you can help us link to the Kickstarter to fund center. Look at that cute little plushie dog out there.
Who doesn't want one of those? I want one for my kids. No, we might not put it here somewhere. But yeah, guys, if you can, if you're a Star Wars fan, you know that laboratory is one of our best out there.
It's a great artist. I have one of his paintings out there, Dark One on his phone. So if you can help out again, spread the word, do what you can. So yeah, check that out description below.
You can find out those links. Alright, Oti, the right door, if you guys are ready, I'm not ready. Let's talk Star Wars and the Endor files. I've been in this fight since I was six years old.
Hasi? Hasi? We don't know. We're going to find out.
I mean, 10 years they'll do another canon shuffle and we'll have a discussion on like tells of the guy like, Oh, what an episode. You look like you're like, like, little car moving out of your apartment back to your parents' place with all the buckets down there. That's actually the opposite. Yeah.
We know your parents out. Hopefully they didn't get any Star Wars couple with I know you don't like too much. I don't like to. But I think overall, quick toss on the episode before we jump in.
It was great. Like, I know it's a boring answer, but I love that there's a lot of more. I love the title of the episode. Ever since I saw it like scrolling through this thing, I was like, Oh, that's interesting.
And then when we got that scene, I was like, Oh, okay. Like, this is why. But then there's other things that I think helped with that title. So that was cool.
I love the episode. Yeah. Right. First time here talking about the Endor in general, we see your tweets.
You seem to be very excited about this show. Where do you stand just in general and then this episode? Sorry. I can't stop passionate about this show, but this episode in particular was at another level.
And the reason is because, you know, not only do we see great character arcs, but you see things that we've seen before, you know, start making sense into this episode. And little things like that just makes, just me start to join me with this whole show, especially this episode. Were you excited for Endor? It was announced.
I know some people were kind of, eh, whatever. We know this story, Rogue One, maybe another favorite. Were you excited for Endor before you got announced? Yeah, absolutely.
I think this was my number one anticipated show, just because it was something kind of different, you know, out of the Mandalorian, you know, I was excited when that came now, but I really didn't know what to expect out of John Faroe. And by now I know what to expect of Aloni. So this was something completely different. So I have, I just really had no idea about that.
Cassian had a rich story to tell, but I just wasn't sure how it was going to come about. So the fact that at one point, once I got a feel of John Faroe and Dave Aloni, I was like, okay, I think this might be the best show Disney, it's not what it's done. And every episode it just proves that it has, that it is. Yeah, every episode I'm waiting for that one is this gonna be that week?
They said, oh man, they let us down. This episode wasn't as good as the other one, but every week, I don't want to say, oh, this was the best episode yet every week. But it feels like every week they find a way to kind of step up the game and this week again, just trust it. And you mentioned, we didn't know what to expect.
And I also have said here, 20 times, it was my most anticipated show because I wanted to see the difference between the Empire and the rebellion at that point, how the Empire kind of was taking over, not taking over, kind of dominating or controlling whole galaxy. And we're seeing that, but on a different version of the idea, especially for Cassian Andor, which even when they said, oh yeah, this is not the guy you made in Rogue One, he still hasn't figured it out. I'll just tell you like two or three episodes I thought and then he'll be jumping to the rebellion. We're nine episodes in and he still has, he doesn't want anything to do with the rebellion at this point, completely unanticipated by me.
But let's start there, Otty. Start with the ISB and just how incredibly evil they are at this point because we're used to, I don't know, it's bad. They just show you all the RAM. They just kill a whole planet billions of people, but we don't see it, right?
A planet exploded or something happened off screen and we see Darth Vader and the Emperor do all these horrible things I'm talking about. Seeing like regular people, meet level managers, basically at this point we did run some of those guys just straight up planning on a board meeting on a Tuesday afternoon. Yeah, let's just kill a pilot and put him back on a ship and we'll make a look at an incident who cares, we'll just kill someone. It's like, how can you be that you're dressing, you're a tuxedo or whatever, and you're planning a murder and nobody cares.
It was just pretty bad. But of course he starts on ferrics. Dr. Goist and his torture techniques, we kind of now know why Pac was almost stopped when at the end of the last episode that when Bigg is brought in.
So the learning that the Empire just, genocide, just massacred the whole civilization, recorded the screens and then used them to torture the people. And even the Empire, the Imperials that were kind of compiling all these screens just were nuts. We just hold on to the rap reach or something. This just take that level of hatred or how evil the Empire is in your eyes.
I mean, I think so. I think the show is an great job at doing that. Like you mentioned, I talked about this in the Galactic Podcast with Lauren and Andrea, how this show has made the Empire's cruelty so visceral. It's no longer because as you mentioned, it's always these big things that are very hard for you to wrap your head around it like going up a planet or maybe destroying a complete city.
Like, yeah, it's big, but we don't see the impact of that for per se. We never see the impact of the destruction all around, maybe in books with Leia and how that affected her. But we've never seen it in this scale. And in this show, we're seeing like the day-to-day effect of the Empire and how they disrupt ferrics, how they're making these prisoners' lives just miserable.
And you know, with that thing of the scream, hey, that was horrible. Like, yeah, you're listening to children dying. But it's also, it's funny because this show has been very grounded and people have been like praising it for that. But it's also like, yeah, the sound of this species is going to be mental torture.
So it's also like very pulpy and very fantasy in that sense. It's kind of Harry Potter with the, I don't know if you guys remember the plants in Harry Potter that they haven't screeched that they have a torture you. So it's kind of like that. But again, it's terrible.
They have no value for life whatsoever. It's just a number and you're, we'll use it until it's inconvenient and then we'll dispose of you like if you were just like a can or something. Yeah, you mentioned last week that it's difficult for us as fans. Oh, yes, this was a great episode when this last episode had been so depressing.
And you know, I loved it, but it was so hard to kind of go through it. Wait for you. Is it the same that now the Empire's brutality seems even worse? Because we hear when did rise telling Dr.
Goh to go ahead and do his thing, the other guy that had brought Pac in the day before, he goes to the day, hey, can I hang him just so people know not to mess with us? He's like, yeah, whatever, what you want? I got to get my stuff going on. Oh, yes, right.
I'm just going to hang someone for nothing for just being there. That's evil. That's worse than the other envelope. Yeah, no, billions of people.
But I don't know. This just sounds worse. What can happen? All these are wrapping my head around someone, exploding a planet.
Yeah, that's fantasy. Someone murdering someone else's to show up on that can happen has happened in real life. Yeah. So happens to me, you guys were talking because I absolutely am loving the ISB and I'm loving because what they're done is give us a different perspective of the ISB.
Before we thought these, you know, the Empire is the stumbling idiots that, you know, mess up. But now we see that there's a group of people that actually know what they're doing and actually work well together. You see that in the beginning of the show where Bidra is explaining everything too big. You know, she knows everything and that is Gary because you see that she's an apartical.
She knows what she's doing. And then the whole story of the aliens. There's one thing that actually put a little theory on me and that was the use of the word children when they came to the sounds that they discovered. And this whole thing was just completely, just completely out of a horror movie.
And one of the genius things about this whole scene from the start is that Bix doesn't say that much. She doesn't say that much on purpose because not only doesn't want to give any information to give her card, but because it also puts us in the place where a Bix is, where she is. And that is a scary, scary thing because now we're feeling what she's feeling. We're feeling the fear.
You hear her breathe and that's almost like you're breathing and you go almost hear the sound when she starts screaming and screaming. So the brutality of the Empire is ragged a lot, a lot, just in this first scene alone. But it's just fantastic. Yeah, go ahead.
I just want to say I'll push back a little bit with that. I think we still see them being extremely incompetent, especially in those early episodes when they weren't paying attention to D-ROP because of the paperwork. Come on guys. And with the prison, they will talk about that.
But they don't need to supervise you because you're not going to do anything. Yeah, no. We're not seeing the whole Kenobi thing like Leia and Kenobi under the same trench coat. But what I did when I mentioned was we're also seeing, they're just so horrible.
I'm not seeing what the bicks. I'm sure she would maybe sell out something about casting. But she does tell D-ROP that I don't know what you believe me. And D-ROP is like, nah.
I think D-ROP is kind of the believer. But she's like, I'm just going to push you until you blow up like a zit. Yeah. I love everything about that scene.
Like L'Oitos said, because every time we see these types of scenes on TV shows or movies, I'm going to break you. And the person that's when the heroes are on their interrogation, they never break. They're able to get out. And I'm like, here we go.
She's going to be able to hold off and not say anything. But when she starts going down the list of everything that Paq said, we know, he met with this person or this woman that recruited him because the planet, his position in trading was good. He was recruited by this guy. And you've met him six times.
And you're the only one that goes out the tower. You're there for hours, like listing every single thing that he knows is true. It's just not lying. It's like, oh crap.
But yeah, when she says, oh, you're not even going to release me, believe me. She's like, nah. I just want to make sure that what you're telling me is the truth. Because when I go back to my bosses, I don't want to be that bumbling impreo that we're used to.
We're going to be able to give them correct information. Nick is here, Nick in the house. Not for your nose, Nick. Who has got about his year row?
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One of you can. We can go ahead and manage to just give praise to the new faculty in that room. Because one of the things that a lot of performance and love that this show does is that they let the characters have their amount of their crazy speeches. And the big red character is fantastic with the actress there.
You see her? She makes little facial kicks that tells you that she enjoys what she's doing and that she's fully confident in about what's going to happen. Her performance throughout this whole season is one that I absolutely love. Yeah.
I mean, Nicole Gower, I think it's her name is. I might be kind of missing the names, but I love Nidra. I love her since the first episode when we say it. And she's evil.
And I say she's the worst. But I love her. And I say the acting from the actress. It's just great in this role.
For me, if there's like one actor in the show that should be considered for an award, it's her. She's outstanding. She's so bad. She's so evil.
I don't care. I'll go down over the clip with her. But sometimes that's the kind of roles that gets you awards. Yeah.
For example, for me and House of the Dragon, the two main contenders are Otto and Allison because they're horrible. And they sell that role so perfectly. Dude, I hate Otto. He's so good.
He's insane. Oh, and that's for another reason. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry.
We miss you. But we'll keep going with the ISB before jumping to Andor in the piece. And we're also most standard. Then just we meet Cyril again with his mom, who just pays at him for just being here.
If you're talking to me all the day, you're going to have cocoa, puff, blue ones. And all you do is, you know, chant, I mean, he's looking at my secret box. And then she only perks up when he says that, oh, I got up for motion. That's the only thing she cares about.
And I love that she goes and just puts him a little bit more Cyril. You deserve it. You finally got another job. You get a little bit more.
I say I'm helping him. He's like, yeah. They're horrible. She's like, you just get why Cyril is how he is and why he has a fascination with the empire because she's training him like shit until he tells her he got up for a minute.
Yeah, yeah, social status. Yeah. Man, what the hell? Yeah.
Oh, yeah. It's like, I don't want to hear this. So the stimulus that like one she said she gives them two meals a day is a stimulus one of them because that's all he eats. But so I actually breakfast and dinner and he eats lunch at work, which might be Cyril.
He might just put in his little empire lunch box. But that's all we see them eating that blue milk. But yeah, like you say, that's the only thing that brings you to her face is, okay, you're contributing something to society. What does he have in his secret box?
In his private box, essentially, snoop. And you think it's something to do with Andor, a lot of someone's hair. I think it's a little bit of everything, right? Yeah.
But it has to be his aspirations because he's, it has to be a picture of a sexy cup of tea or something. He's like, that's what he wants to reach. Yeah. That's the goal.
Yeah. Othi, this scene between Cyril and Didera when he's waiting for her outside of work, he's been stalking her. A lot of people have taken issues with this scene, not that it was bad about what it really meant, especially a lot of women fans have said that they've been in similar positions. People just stalking there.
And then also the progression of Cyril going from maybe losing it up here and becoming radicalized to a point where he says, oh, I thought my life had no meaning that I met you and he keeps escalating. What were your thoughts on this scene? He was so creepy and seeing how he, he's, um, the story thing what happened in his mind when he's like, oh, when you came to talk to him, he's like, we didn't go to talk to you. We were interrogating you like, what the hell?
So he's basically like, you know, I want to date with this girl and oh, she goes to another school. So yeah, so very creepy and just him putting all that weight on her. Like, like, I even got biased that he was like, yeah, if it wasn't for you, I would have maybe killed myself or something. And just like, and a lot of people do that.
Like a lot of guys I know have done that. And you know, it's creepy and maybe some people take issue with that, but some people need to see this and some people need to see this and feel uncomfortable with it. Like maybe, maybe you're another person that needs to feel uncomfortable with it, but some guys really, really do and some girls do this also. But, um, yeah, so it was creepy.
It was very, very creepy. Yeah, we said here, it's probably every week, especially past three or four episodes, how real world examples you can take from what they're showing on Anna saying, oh, it's pretty literal what they're doing. And this might be another case of this guy, Loner, single family, homewear, his parents cannot treat her down, lose his job, and then just going up and up to, unfortunately, we see here with people doing mass shootings, all that stuff. Is he going that path?
Wouldn't put it past these type of writers because that's what they've been great at so far. And by the way, thanks to those scenes with his mom, we get why he's this way. It doesn't excuse that behavior. We get it.
And again, the show's done a great job in doing that. I, yeah, no, it's creepy. It would rate. Yeah, yeah, everything you guys said, but the scene is so necessary when you put it in context of what's going on, because sometimes success is, you know, I didn't mind.
And you kind of, and they're kind of both, you know, two sides of the same coin, you know, they have this passion that drives them. But, you know, one successful, the other one isn't. And, you know, Cheryl sees Deidra as everything he wants to be in life. And Deidra, at the end of that conversation, she looks at, she looks at Cheryl, like, pretty sorrow-wise, the sorrow-looking in her face because she realizes, I think she realizes that she's one mistake away from being Cheryl.
Like, she's playing in this world of men, where she's making enemies because of the noise she's making, you know, the people that she's challenging that are probably above her. And, and nobody kind of, and you can see the empire kind of nobody liking her for that reason that she's making headway where others aren't. So she probably has her target on her back. So she sees herself that if she makes one mistake, if she makes one horrible mistake, she's going to be in this position.
So you see that, you see that economy of these two characters that are driven by the same thing going in opposite directions. Yeah. I'll come back to I have a question for you guys before we finish over the ISB. And I joke when that episode, when that scene happened, oh, maybe there is something there dramatically, obviously not.
No, no, hey, man, I still ship them. I do. I know what people say, they shouldn't be a ship after that scene because of, again, how real these can hit to some people. At the same time, it's always, I don't ship people too often.
Let me have this one. I know. I really see her taking advantage of him, honestly. So I'm going to go.
Yeah, we'll get to it. I want to ask you guys, but there was a scene where he grabs her arm and she looks at him like, I can have you arrested for that. I'm like, whoo, I'm going to arrest me because I don't know. But then they walk into the ISB, she walks into the ISB, telling him, don't come back here or you're going to be in trouble.
What's he saying? It's zero bringing Beadahol to his mom. Oh, my gosh. They just gang out with him.
Yeah, I think it would be the entire episode. Yeah, she'll kick zero out and adopt Beadah. This is my daughter. This is what I want.
So why can you be like her? See you. Yeah. She's the most horrible love her.
I'll call her a cat or something. So they walk into the ISB or maybe it wasn't that point. But yeah, they went to the ISB and she goes step by step. Like I said, right.
She's nailing down everything, that big set connecting and to what happened on all that and connecting to bigs. And we're there. We're almost there. We just need some resources and all get them.
But let's just talk real quick about they got this pilot that was from Anton Krieger's group. He was going to Katherine's or little now there to Rogue One. But before so get rid of it, I said I don't want anything to do with Anton Krieger, he doesn't know what he's doing. And now one of his guys has gone missing.
And this is where also I got the Empire is truly evil. When did I can say is why don't we just damage the ship, kill him, put him back on the cockpit and just let it kind of me anger into Kaffrin and you get told in and we kind of create one knowing thing. That's when I said, oh man, this freaking Empire is evil as hell. Well, again, all the ISB scenes have been great.
What do you guys that are seeing in the ISB when she's going down the list? Partly gas is kind of, oh, you're connecting and all this. What are your thoughts on this thing? Yeah, yeah.
You know, this is, you know, to go back to seeing, you know, the ISB actually functioning and working. Yeah. It's a great thing for not only for us to see that, you know, they're not just in company pools. It's like seeing how they work together and how they put in all these things.
You see their evil plans together. It just sets them apart and brings the stakes that the stakes that they're placing that more, you know, real because if we just see them fumbling and shooting and shooting their lasers in different directions that that dangers doesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't register. So seeing how well they kind of come off as is really, really kind of breath of pressure to kind of see them work like this and just and just and its efficiency. There's a bit of efficiency going on there where, you know, they're they're trying to figure out what's really going on kind of flying blind blind.
But it's actually really enjoyed and I don't know the name of that actor too, but I love him that that is be the head of the ASB. I love his tone. I love how he's sizing years. I love how he's like, get on it.
You know, what are you? They're just waiting for you to do. Yeah, he seems like a real boss that you're like, okay, he tells you something you run into it. And that's something that I'm actually enjoying so tremendous to see in this empire be working like this.
Yeah, another game of thrones. I love nine. Kyvern. Kyvern, another evil guy.
I was going to post this question to both of you. I thought you said that did I scan off on the toe in the line that anything that she does, she might just be pulled down and people might be going for it. Oh, you said that maybe she'll use zero at some point. So my question to you guys is, where's Blevin?
Right? Lieutenant Blevin was in charge of the Molina sector until it was given to either and we haven't seen him for about three episodes. I think he's going for her. I think he's going to be the one to pull her down.
Something goes wrong. He's going to start pointing fingers and maybe he's the one. Maybe he'll use zero to bring her down. He knows that zero might be a little cuckoo in the head and kind of push him towards the red one that all thing blows in her face.
Then he can come up and say, see, I told you she didn't know what she was doing. You think that might happen or even her assistance that kind of stood up in the middle of the meeting? Hey, he shaped his face. They did this.
That already saying that the girl's over there is he trying to now jump into it. That's who I'm going with. Yeah. I'm going to be there to show us how the empire works.
You know, you need to take the person above you down in order to go up. So I don't think he's coming back, but I'm looking at her assistant and being like, is this person going to be the one who's going to take these right down? And maybe that's how she ends up with Sarah again? I don't know.
But I'm looking at him because I think that's who we should look at. But you think you're right. Anyone of those still trying to bring her down? It has to be him.
There's no question the way he kind of school came in front of the bar kind of is a little bit of a, you know, something that stinks to him I would imagine. But, you know, I'm surprised that we haven't seen more of him, you know, maybe because they're they're using it as a, as it's kind of maybe a surprise to kind of bring her down type of thing. But yeah, I'm surprised that we haven't seen much more of him. And I wouldn't be surprised that what you just said using still as a way to get to and or first because who else knows and or besides him.
He's the only person that has been close enough to Cassian that he could recognize him that he knows where he's been. It's like no other person has that information and it's a little bit of mistake and the drug not maybe not to use shrill more because of what he knows and what he could possibly leave. But yeah, I can see completely those two guys teaming up on the drug just to just a proof of point because he still is looking for a way to move up. He's not happy where he is.
I'm scared to get it from motion. He doesn't want to be there. He wants to be where where the eyes be. You know, so watching the episode I was with you.
I thought this guy I've known those people I worked in offices long, you know, you know, as a supervisor, I'm not going to wear those people below you. They just want to move up by bringing you down and he's that guy. He, oh, let's send out to go somewhere already there. And then when she's kind of stomped when part of the guy says, Oh, you're connecting and or to all Danny.
That's kind of a jump. He jumps up. Oh, he was in shaving and that's kind of made much of description of the old Danny rate is blah, blah, blah. Maybe maybe he's doing something.
But when I then go back to a bled in is a few episodes ago when she got the al dentisector, the more lana sector, part of the guy's told her, good job. Watch your back. And I don't think these writers will just throw that line and forget about it. I think that's coming back to buy her at some point.
And that's why I kind of lean a little bit to bled in. The second she makes a mistake, someone at 11 or her assistant, someone's going to be like, Ah, this did look a little bit like target. Was it like a young target? I can't remember right now what he looks like.
It's ice be though. Just white pasty. I see why to. All right.
So let's jump from there to the prison. That's why I miss you. I miss you Lauren, by the way. I know you learn this.
I see with the best part of playing a chemical. I'm listening. Oh crap. I got to buy something.
That's just jump to the prison. So we get there and let's start with it's all and or and kinoloid, right? They go Luna and. And the circus.
They just killed the whole episode. But even that scene, they're just in their bunk at the end of the shift, just talking and he's asking, have you ever thought about escaping? And he's like, take that thought out of your mind if you want to stay here. And he's like, I'll take that as I know, we get the whole no one's listening to you.
Think they care and goes back to those first couple of episodes when he told whatever his face was. Luton Luton to steal from the Empire. It's easy. They don't expect someone like me to get there.
They're fat, happy, content, whatever. It's the same thing, right? I'll take take me through this scene and then that big. No one's listening.
They don't get his yelling. No one's listening. I love that. I love a lot of things about the first moment we see under like, I think they say it's been like a month since he's been there.
Yeah. He's learned the rose and we see apart from him yelling, nobody's listening. He's openly trying to escape. Like we see him talking to a person from another table like, Oh, look at the railings and again, going back to last episode.
He's just paying so much attention to everything. Look at the railings. They don't have shoes. And you know, with the tubes in the bathroom, he's we say he's been doing that for a while.
And it's not a secret. And I love I love that moment with Keynote when he asks him, they're asking him if he's ever thought of escaping because I think he has. And I think because he's telling just forget about it. Just forget about it.
I think maybe he tried and it went horribly wrong. And that's why he's just so into just let's do our sentence and let's get out of here and just forget it. But that moment when he's screaming, it's he's kind of trying to prove a point to him. Like I can just yell this out and nothing's going to happen.
But I also think it's kind of a little bit of desperation. Like that's really when I got out of here and you know, maybe you start yelling to a point and then you get like excited and start yelling out a bit more. So I love that scene. Yeah, for Eurobaita, what's your take on that scene?
And also, how are you going to escape during the middle of the ocean? Even if they manage to lead off a city, how are they getting out? They have Michael Phelps with them. Oh, man.
Okay. So, oh, okay. So this this we can this we can see that happen. I was a little bit perplexed.
I was like, okay, why is this conversation happening? It's like Cassian Norris, who you know is he knows he's not going to give him any information. Why is this happening? So, and it ties back to a little bit of what you said is that of course he thought about, you know, about escaping.
But there I just thought it was a little bit a little bit weird and it just moved a little bit forward. I'm going to keep it on. You know, is that there was a moment where the whole chaotic thing was going on that you see any circus just acting as part of it. And you see his eyes moving back and forth as he's trying to get everybody in line.
And then and then at that moment I realized why that conversation happened. And not only to set up, of course, the ending, but because it also explains his character. His character is okay. So I don't know the name of this of this, but it's it's when you're not it's something happens when people are in a cold and whatever crazy thing they believe in doesn't happen.
Instead of just turning around and saying, okay, it's been a time to move on with my life. They instead of doing that, they double down and make up excuses or why it's going to happen and what and it will happen in the future. It's kind of like what we see with the whole, you know, election denial instead of saying anything happened. Okay, they double down.
So I think that's where keynote is coming from there where he's been in this for so long. He puts so much work, so much time, so much effort and he sees the goal of him being released there that he's ignoring his past experience. He knows that little voice in back of his head is true that he can get it now, but he doesn't want to believe that because he put all this time and all this work effort and all that, all that time will be for nothing. So he's not listening to and or because he sees himself in and or and he doesn't want to get that hope up.
He's just convinced himself that this moment of release is near and he knows is not true. I also think he's maybe in denial of the empire is changing, which is something that we're seeing with this show so far, especially with that scene in the end when they ask if they're ever leaving and the doctors as like not for now. Yeah, so I think we're also seeing a galaxy trying to adapt to that, which is also very real world. A lot of people can't accept that the current parties are shifting and that party is losing its mind.
Yeah, it's like like buts and last week the left they can get on program. They can get a message and the right is just down. Don't change. Well, the conversation is not freaking working there.
Yeah. Oh, I think you know how they're going to skip? I think can always down there under the water. Oh, yeah.
So anyway, yeah, hello. Listen, listen, if can only shows up, it will make literally no sense, but I will lose my freaking mind. Then we'll be with them. Hey, maybe it's like the Colossus.
Maybe those stations are just jump-resetship and they can get out. I think they'll kidnap like a shuttle or something. Yeah, unless I'm fun with it. Anyway, great scene.
Now she to me looks like Ben Affleck for some reason. I clean shaven Ben Affleck looks every time I see. Just Ben Affleck. Where's he going there?
Mr. Cast Ben Affleck, actually. I'm a big fan of this. Yeah.
But yeah, that whole scene. Come on. I think Ben Affleck's entire empire isn't watching them and going down there. That bathroom, that panel, that's the jankyest panel ever.
The underbidding of it's almost all just taking a couple of years. He's killing your quarterback, right? It's falling apart. So you know the empire is in there because you know, if you see that, this prison is falling off to something.
Yeah, let's just go. On program. But I know- There's no doors or anything for private where you're taking a poop. It's like, you're not saying it's here.
It's like a regular prison though. Yeah. Even though, it's right there. It's open.
You're looking at two people across from you as you're doing your business in the food from that tube. And how's your hard time in that prison? I'm the kind of person of your, your neural system walks in. I'm like, I can't.
I'm gonna, okay, three, six, one eight or whatever. I was at a rock concert, rock festival, years ago, 2002 or something, whatever. System of a down, not the arts born, black, they both decided it was great. I had, right before, before, uh, system of a down went on.
This is when the second album came out. I went to the bathroom. There's a line of like 30 people's in front of the side to the back. Dude, I stood there like five minutes.
I couldn't. I was about to pee myself, but I couldn't because I'm one of those nervous. I said, I got someone next to me. I can't go.
So I had to come back afterwards. So yeah, I wouldn't be able to last my blood will version that prison. And I don't know where we were going from there, but we'll, we'll, we'll celebrate it. Um, so yeah, oh no.
So King or Lord, cause let's just go with him. You guys have said it great, but he's, he's been there so long and he's basically one of the guys there, right? That's his job. As long as I do my job and I keep my people in line in 247 days, I'll be able to leave.
Just everything needs cupacellic. I'll be able to leave. That's the whole thing. And we see when they bring the new person down, he goes to the whole speech level five, flow two or flow five level two, whatever, took to these four days.
If he goes through the same thing, this is my job. I just want to make it through the day when the other guy, um, who will have almost chucks sit down. Okay. We just got to make you through another 45 days and you'll be out of here.
That's the whole thing. But when crap goes down on level two, something's wrong in level two, like you said, right? He's trying to calm everyone down. He's freaking out cause he can't, something is happening.
And then we started seeing that shift that he's not in control. And when he learns at the end, no one's getting out. And again, they bring this prisoner to serve as a doctor because it's not a guard. They're using this prisoner's as labor.
So price, right? Then he basically just gives him a humane euthanasia. He just killed Poodle after cause we're not going to treat you. We could cause it's not worrisome.
Sure. There's some drug or something medicine for strokes. He just, it doesn't matter. I'm just going to give you, he's better than us now.
No, control your person. No one's leaving after what happened. And then we get how many people on his level. How many guys?
Never more than 12. Othy, did you expect keynote to not turn, but kind of be now on the side trying to arrive? This happens and we're not going to get in outs. We have to take matter into our own hands.
So I don't think I was necessarily expecting it, but I think at the beginning of the episode, we kind of see a sweetness to him that we haven't seen before. You know, there's a scene at the table. He's like, guys, come on, you guys can win this. And then when Olaf has his thing, he's like, yo, come on.
He's almost out. Let's help him. So I think they actually prepared that perfectly well. But that scene was, that's why you got an actor like Andy Sargent.
And I'm so glad people are seeing him because he's an actor that people don't really think about him. He's just sensational. Him as Alfred was great. So just seeing that shift in him and having that realization, that moment he goes like, we're not getting out of here, aren't we?
And he's like, not for now. Just perfect. And as we were mentioning, that just fizz-bumping moment at the end. Yeah.
I mean, you know, almost every episode, I come here and I say the only thing I didn't like about Andrew is the way that it ends. It's always kind of, it doesn't make sense. But this was a perfect ending. Roberto, we go from a clerical era, basically, that the empire, which we've been praising, goes back to the bumbling ways because they moved someone from, oh, yeah, your tummy's up and they put him back on a different floor and everyone knew what was happening.
And then they just killed the hundred people. Again, this whole episode is showing how we will go ahead. Question. Do you guys see it as a clerical era?
I think the way I see it, I think they're purposely moving people around and telling them, hey, if they find out about this, we're killing all of you. And I think that's what happened in two. So the first time I saw the episode, I'm like, crap, that's what they're doing. Yeah, your sentence up.
No, you're going to a different floor. That's what I was thinking about. The second time I saw it, I think that doctor says something. Oh, they made a mistake and they put someone back in.
So I'm kind of confused, but I want to say that, no, this is what they do. And then someone just spoke up. What are your thoughts on that, Robert? And again, how evil freaking empire either by mistake or because if it was a mistake, okay, sorry, we'll put you back.
We'll have to kill everyone. Not if we can kill everyone because they found out that this is what they're doing. I think it's a mistake in a sense that they put them in the wrong place. You're breaking up.
That's a make any sense. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, I don't I see it as both kind of like an error and not ever because they're, of course, this is the empire is not going to release, you know, relabor. But I think they messed up in the wrong place.
Yeah. You're breaking up. That's a make any sense. Oh, I'm sorry.
Yeah. They're not going to release, you know, relabor but I think they messed up in the put them in the wrong place in a wrong place where the work can get out so frequently about, about that mistake that you're not doing that. I don't care how many, how close you are. You're not getting out.
But one of the things that I kind of, you know, interesting with this whole scene, you know, the social scene in being in this corridor is how intensely those things were, especially when they were communicating through a site language about the information because they're not getting the whole picture. So it puts you in a little bit of a panic for everybody's going is all this whole scene just work so well to that moment where you have that Cassie and Anne Dore talking about how many men are there, never more than 12. But it's just how that shows out how people that are buying into the system, they're buying into something, I just agree, and there's really no plan for them other than just work, which is kind of just sad because you see any circus characters just kind realize that. And then we see that his house character just goes from one end to the spectrum together and it's so freaking, so freaking good.
Yeah, I mean, it was great. I think you might be right, our friend Mo kind of said very similar to what you said that she thinks the era was a day placed on a level where people, they could recognize what happened and maybe that was it. And our friend Dale is here, thanks for joining us Dale. Ah, what yeah, that empire.
What do you think is going to happen? How are they going to create chaos or create a commotion? I'm guessing it has to be with this pipe that Anne Dore is kind of shaving off. I was thinking that in that past episode, when he's going to be putting to place in the prison, they're waiting for one of the guards to get there and he said, oh, there was a technical error somewhere.
I had to cover for someone. They're like, oh, no, this takes precedence. I think it's something that is going to create some mechanical issue. They're going to have to come down on that.
So like he told the other guy, when it's halfway down, they will jump in and go from there. But it's going to be interesting and a complete faith in the writers. I don't know how they're going to do it, but I kind of think it'll be like a, you know, boss level kind of thing. Like, I don't think it's going to be a secret thing.
I think they'll take the first chance they can and then they'll take the next and the next and the next and make 100 10 people feel like 100 maybe maybe 10. There's 100 people in that room or between the day shift and the night shift is 50 peopleish. Just 100, you get 10 or 12 to help make 10 people feel like 100 men feel like 1000. Yeah, whatever.
If you think about it, if one of them gets a pair of boots, all bets are off because they don't have weapons. So it's like if one of them knows how to fight, like then you get one pair of boots, then you get two and we saw that. That's the first thing he looked at when he came in. The writer is going to eat it.
Is he going to escape or is this la sura? He's gone. That's great. As great as at the circus as an activist, his career is over time.
So, you know, I would like for him to survive and, you know, go somewhere where he could drink margaritas and live the rest of his life, especially after having such a such a death in this episode that kind of things a little bit because you were rooting for him. You know, you wanted him to be free, but it didn't happen. So somebody, it would be nice if you know to give us a little bit of hope and have characters survive. But you know, one thing that I would surprise that, so I would surprise how another character in that scene that you were describing, okay, about with the panel and making his way through that fight is like how many people are in his plan?
Like, I mean, what's it's how big is his group? And you see them communicating through across the, you know, through each section. So how many people are involved in this, you know, in Cassian's plan? I think a lot, honestly.
I think they don't know. I don't think they're afraid of anyone finding out honestly. I love that scene because when he goes to the bathroom and that other person are kind of different this look and looking at what they're all doing, I thought it was just gonna be one of these precincts and scenes that someone goes and they start a fight in the bathroom or whatever. But no, he's part of the plan.
It's someone from a different table, which like you said, he shows that he's working with different people and that's gonna pay off. And everyone knows about the sign language thing because it's that same with Keynos, like how much time is it gonna take for information to come through? So they all know. Yeah, because the first time I thought it was your scene on the other guy, like how are they not seeing that they're doing sign language?
Everyone knows that's how information goes by. Like you say, it takes days for things to get from floor to level, whatever. But by the way, I got the feeling that the doctor is also a prisoner in there. Yes, because he didn't have shoes.