The bell is built on us. And welcome to another episode of Radio Rebellion, Star Wars, but I am your host, I will talk a little, and thank you for joining us on this great Star Wars Saturday, after a Thanksgiving phase, if you celebrate, congratulations, if you're not, that's fine, people that worked, are so sorry they had to work, but we're here talking and our finale, not just and our finale, this is the season five finale for us, you're already revealing, we'll be taking a break after this, so thank you everyone for joining us. All this now here, well that's fine, we got two great guests, some of our favorites, Maggie, Lovellis, Machiran, how are you guys doing today? You good?
Of course, thanks again for joining, it's always a pleasure to have you guys here, and especially to get something like that, I need a good guest today, and who else? Thank you. Alright, so like I said, it's gonna be our season five finale, when I take a short break, we won't be here next week, then we'll be back on the 10th, December 10th for our trivia finale, also I know you tried out twice, this close, so close together, so close, but we have our finale December 10th, and then we're taking a big break, I don't know, mid-January or late-January, we'll be back, and we'll see if we bring out the back, I don't know, we'll see how we feel about it. Whoa, it's me.
Also, I wanna apologize on his behalf, not that he's not here, but I heard that he went on Space Waffles, he flaked out twice, when he finally got there, he was a disaster, and I thought, I know, I'm joking. Didn't we cause him to disassociate? Yeah, we didn't get cancelled, because that happened the next two weeks. I heard.
So let's see if we can cancel. Hopefully no one gets cancelled today here with us, but yes, I heard that, some takes on Perrin, Machiran, my gut, you and some other people cancel, we might talk about Perrin at the end of the show, see where we landed, but if you're watching this today, live, thanks for being here, make sure that you like, comment, subscribe, that fun thing you're supposed to do when you're on YouTube. And if you're listening to us, or watching us later on the replay, make sure that you subscribe to our channel, there was a comment down below, whatever, you know, what's, you know, what's here. Let's just go ahead, I think it's time, let me check Uzi, Uzi, actually.
Our friend Andres Alvarez, of course, from 60 Minutes, I see how you're doing Andres, bring those bricks, we need those bricks, and Mo is here, always thanks for being here, of course, we gotta have those bricks, and a few fashers, there was a great scene, you don't expect that. How can you know someone's ashes, how to remember them by a lecious brick, someone said that was great. I don't want to become a tree, I want to become a brick to be a fashers. Yes, there you go.
All right, so before we start, everyone knows down the, the future of this video, you can find different links to help for the Midali initiative, our version funds, national network of our version funds, sorry, and we've got initially for quality Texas, a watchful race, there's a different ones to help with the record from the hurricane, all this stuff, so please go ahead and check those out. But if you guys are ready, I'm not ready, let's talk Star Wars and the Andor files. In this fight, since I was six years old. Has he, we gotta say it for a friend, Oti, he'll be back on that 10, he'll be back.
I know, I tell you about you. If he listens to this, he'll be mad that I said all that stuff about him. Now we love him here. All right, so Maggie, I'll start with you because you were here for first and kind of recap.
We talked about those first three episodes. I can't believe it's been like nine or ten weeks. I don't know, it went by pretty fast. Every episode that we were here, this is gonna be the one, this next week, the one that's gonna deep down, we're gonna not enjoy that episode, it's gonna be filler, nothing.
It just kept a roller coaster that never kind of went down. Just, if you can, just in a couple of sentences or what are just recap, what these first season was as we came into this finale. This first season essentially paralleled Jen's story in Rogue One and taking somebody who is perfectly comfortable with being complacent, even though they shouldn't be and showing them why complacency is not the right path and putting them onto that path towards Rogue One essentially. And just the way that Tony Gilroy has constructed this to tell that story and to see why Cassian is the man that he is when we meet him in Rogue One is just the exceptional.
Yeah, it was something that, and I've said, I don't how many times I thought, yeah, by episodes three, episode four, we'll see Cassian turn into that person we see in Rogue One. When we just kept building and building, it's what's gonna be that catalyst, it's gonna turn him and then it had to all kind of come down to what happened this finale. Also, I've talked to you again, I had a privilege of being on your show on Space Path for a few weeks ago, but just coming again to the finale, just your overall thoughts on the season and then very quickly what your thoughts were on the way that for season ended. So my thoughts on this season overall, I am consistently impressed with how they resisted the temptation to make it bigger because I think every Star Wars story wants to tie into the large narrative and we kind of have that with like my Mafma and Sagarra and all of that, but they're outside of Cassian's immediate story.
So he's not part of the bigger story yet and they kept it very focused on him, on his home, on Barracks, on his problems and they did that consistently for 12 episodes. So I remained very, very impressed that they didn't give into the temptation to go bigger, go home because it was a pretty, now it was a pretty impactful finale and it definitely went big by having this full-scale brawl kind of breakout on Barracks, but it was big for them, but it wasn't big in the grand scheme of things. Sure, and it kind of leads to one of the notes I had that the finale gave us what the story needed, not maybe about we as fans or some of us can expect it. I expected Cassian to be in the middle of the Fairrix, leading the chance, Stone Sam's Kai, leading the charge against the Empire.
I know he was nowhere to be seen, he wasn't part of that, he was doing something, getting big, that's what the story needed, right? It was this community coming together against the Empire that's kind of taken over the Fairrix which then goes back to that speech from Marva, they just kind of forgotten that the Empire will get to that. But for you, of course, Maggie also then to you, how did you fail seeing this community kind of riled behind one of their own, not just Cassian, but Marva and even B2 because when B2 got pushed down, that's when all hell break loose and you don't do that for a story. No survivors because I heard B2.
I feel like everybody in the Star was meaning to stick up hearing you say it, but the fact that Andor has so neatly paralleled very real-world events going on right now that impact me very personally with what's going on in Iran seeing like everybody sort of rally behind one of their own, basically tear everything to the ground in the name of justice. It hit in a way that I don't think it would have hit at any other time. If it had come out when it was supposed to come out in August, I don't think it would have hit the same. And it did.
So it was not in a bad way, but it was definitely very intense. It was a difficult watching it having those real life experiences kind of not just, okay, that's what's going on because I can say, yeah, that's what's going on in Iran. It doesn't affect me obviously the same way as it was a difficult seeing that and making that connection. It was a I don't know once in a positive light, but I don't know.
It felt blurry for me, like going from like the news to this and back it there. Like if I had gone from the news to like Obi Wan Kenobi, there's a very clear cut there about what the news is and what the show is. But this kind of it just melded so seamlessly that like I watched it every week. I was keen to watch it every week and talk about it every week.
It was hard to get quote unquote excited every week because it was just seeing. I mean, it was a good thing in seeing that these kinds of people, these kinds of movements have not gone unacknowledged by the wider world and everyone does see what this is. So that was a good thing, but not a particularly happy thing. Yeah.
You know what I mean? Yeah. How do you see a magazine for you just against the community, rightly around Cassian, the people of ferrics that many of you believe in the United States for five, six years, since like every couple of months or whatever, there's a new protest people just in the street for the government has been doing just different police brutality and all that kind of hits home for a lot of people. Did obviously I'm guessing you kind of fell that way and then how did you see these just in the Star Wars universe?
Oh, yeah. I definitely you can tell that this was made in that 2020 period of time because like it's impossible to look at police with riot gear and not remember the pictures that were on the front pages of all the newspapers. And it's interesting to see how like somebody who was very thoughtful and intentional in the way that they craft this story can take those images and apply it on Star Wars and not seem like grotesque, but it doesn't seem like a mockery of anything. Like it was done so smartly and so respectfully the way that it pulled from a wide variety of things.
I mean, if you read any of Tony's interviews, he talks about like 3000 years of history and how this is like consistently just been a repeat, unfortunately, because society never learns. And I think it's interesting. I said this last time on Space Waffles 2, I think it's really interesting how when Rogue One came out, I know for me and a lot of other people it hit so hard because it came out right after Trump was elected president. And you know, we had that like the election day and then Rogue One came out, but that was made two years before that.
So it was like it predicted this like this feeling and like struck a chord. And yet again, we see and or made two years earlier comes out like within three weeks of something that strikes such a chord. And it just shows like this is why I love this kind of Star Wars because it's cathartic in a lot of ways to like process the things that are happening in society through like a science fiction space opera like lens and showing like the stories because it's services about like the empire is like there's no mistaking that. And so often I think we get lost in like the lightsabers and we lose sight of the fact that like really bad stuff is happening in the Star Wars galaxy.
I mean, so we're sort of with Princess Leia being like, you know, interrogated for information and it's like it gets lost and like the fun. Yeah. I mean, I'm reading conversions right now. There's these what is it that forever war between these two planets because of something that they can't even remember.
And it keeps going into face from phase one. We know this unfortunately one end here. No spoilers will get into that some point. So just one thing and I want to jump back to does it feel like Star Wars is the way that Star Wars should go moving forward.
But it reminded me seen when when the people of various came and then the police had just kind of start just kind of meet them in the middle of the start kind of escalating everything. Six years ago, five, six years when I heard him, I came in for it went back to the recon then the government over there did a crappy job with time to help everyone. And they were daily or nightly protests every day in the island till the governor had to say, okay, I'm done. I'm gonna step down.
They made the governor step down because of just the way he handled the situation. But every night at the end, police escalation and a lot of violence, it kind of reminded me of it. Like you said, my again, check all the collider articles that my husband has written down because there is that quote. Yeah, that's a lot.
But they're great. And there's those schools from Tony Giorgio. And this is go back to history. Yeah, it takes from this part from this one from this.
So it's not just, yeah, I got inspired by one thing. It's just how she's written itself, unfortunately. Before we go back to that question, let me say hi to our friend Nick is here saying hi to also and Maggie. That's of course.
And then and then address adding the bittersweet on at least any moment. Everyone say morning. Yes, Bren Mar is a Brennan. Sorry.
Thanks for being here. And page Turner. Page Turner's that we're not thanks for joining us today. But yes, again, it's Star Wars.
Because we'll get out again how serious it is. But the other side is how one little silly common page Turner's there were not is something that we all cannot relate to. But Maggie, you mentioned that yes, Star Wars sometimes we get lost in the Pew Pew's and the lightsaber, which I'll say it's my favorite thing about it. But it's Star Wars for a reason.
It all because it's there because there's a war between the Empire and the rebels. And then a lot of not a lot of criticism against Andro since the first episode was it doesn't feel like Star Wars. And I'm not talking about the ground it or to really people just saying it doesn't feel like Star Wars. And the other side saying, oh, this is what Star Wars needs to be moving forward.
Do you think there's a balance that we can strike between having the campaign is that a lot of us grew up with Star Wars to this serious side? But I think at least on my end, of course, we can have that balance is just the care that they took with Andro. You can apply that to everything else in Star Wars to be Mandalorian, Boba Fade or something new with Lightsavers. You apply that type of care in production.
All that stuff. You can still have the same impact. Where you have to be serious as Andro. Right?
Yeah, definitely. I mean, there's aspects of Andor that I wish other shows would take. Like, I think that the practical sets make for much more compelling locations and much more realism. I love the volume.
I think it can be used in a lot of really interesting ways. But every set does not need to be the volume. Every character in Andor had a name, a family, friends, connections. They went out after work for drinks.
You know who these characters are. Whereas other ones are like, here is Man 2. Oh, yeah. So he's a man.
So of course, he's named Man. Like, that's the kind of care that I want to see them learn from. We don't everything doesn't have PS5, but everything should have characters that are like not just an action figure on screen. Yeah.
Are you feeling the same way? I'll show you a week way that gives you a dream. Should he just be called week way? I mean, listen, maybe that maybe doesn't trust anybody.
And that's just I think I agree. I liked the fact that you could really feel the environment they were in. I liked that everybody had a name in life and habits. I also think what we mean or what I don't want to speak for everybody.
But what I mean when I'm like more sorry, we should be this way is like it should be intentional no matter what story you're telling. So just this is your thesis, whatever your thesis is, and stick to it and really commit to telling that story in a way that makes the most sense for that story. And don't worry about, I mean, I understand from a corporate perspective, there's got to be some connectivity, but don't get so lost in it that you lose sight of the story you're telling. And I think if you do that, then it could be any genre.
It could be a five-riller, a romance, a pew-pew story, it could be anything. And still have that Star Wars heart if you commit to what you're trying to tell. I love subtle connections. I don't like feeling like I have to pull out one of my random Star Wars guidebooks to go back and look for a character and be like, Oh, that's right.
I think the little subtle ways they connected things or having a showrunner that was like, Yeah, whatever. I love my prop people put all the artifacts on their own. I don't really care. I love coming because every interview doesn't care.
He'll tell you what he thinks. Everything he tells you is coming. I love his way. I want to open this.
I've said it before his, I think before season one started. We've learned so much. I was season two. It's like, okay, we're there.
It's five years. It's going to have this jumps. They to be there and all this other stuff. I'm still all those interviews talking about it.
Yes, great. I don't need to. It was just after the secret. Yes.
But same like you said, when Anton Krigger or that name was mentioned, I went through Wookie Pedia. I went back to Catales. I look at all the way. Who's that person?
I know that's a new guy we just went. Oh, okay. I'm wasting time then because yes, we're used to that, but it doesn't matter. It's a new character and they build that story.
Go forward. All right. So jumping down to the episode also, I love that we didn't start. But the first time that we see Andoy, he's visiting Clem's brick, like his father's brick and going through the history of him just cleaning these old items that people discard, all his light calls.
What does he say? He's going to look down. Yeah, people don't look down and it keeps your eyes open. There's possibilities everywhere.
It cannot start pushing Cassian to that person we'll meet later. I love seeing that. And then of course going to Nemex, my face on everything that talks. I'm just going to read real quick.
It goes, freedom is a few ideas. And this is just some snippets from it. Freedom is a few ideas. Even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lives forward in pre-only for control.
It's so desperate. It's so natural. Operation is the mass of fear. I know you like this one, but I can remember this.
Try. So also for you finally hearing more about Nemex, my face though, kind of in the background as Cassian is visiting his father's brick and we get a little bit more of his story. What were you thinking from this and Nemex? He's still around.
I like that Nemex spirit is still around because I think we were all talking when we first met Nemex that him and his manifesto were going to play like a big part and you can cast in the man. He is when we meet him later. But what I like is that we have this big climactic fight. The empire has come to ferrix.
Everybody's fighting them. Cassian is not involved at all. He is still looking out for number one and then maybe like number two, three and four, like his immediate friends. He's just to be carried out on the side.
But having Nemex manifesto play and having visiting Clem's brick and remembering Clem's thing, like look down the possibilities are everywhere. People don't pay attention to people like us. They're planting the seeds for the person he's going to be. And I like that in a finale and a season finale, they didn't feel the need to have this huge tada kind of character shift with Cassian and it's really just laying around work for like where he's going to go in season two.
Yeah. So I thought that was really cool. Yeah. And all the episodes through a lot of people is, oh, it's going to be maybe the one that has rebalance or built on hope and all this.
And I'm like, wait, he comes to you and I'll be built on hope. It doesn't come. But the message is still there. You've tweeted out that that last bit that remember this try was one of your favorite.
What about it kind of cut your eye? I guess I think that because that was kind of the vibe that I got when I came out of Rogue one, like it doesn't matter as long as you try. And so hearing it repeated like the feeling it was like this is the feeling that Rogue one made me feel and then to hear it brought into like the groundwork for Rogue one. I was just like, yes, it just hit and such a way actually made me cry.
That whole like manifesto was just like it was the look on Cassian's face while he's listening to it, like a recognition that he's realizing like, Nemic was right. Like this is something that we have to do like we're morally obligated to try to make a world a better place. It just hit the right boards and just left me with the good feels. I'll be a hypocrite if I wouldn't say that.
I mentioned here I wasn't that effective andemic beat the dust. And I'm like, okay, well, you play your part. You're that thanks for playing. His death was so fascinating too because he literally died under the weight of money, which is like any person who's read Karl Marx who was just like, I would be able to do that.
I was impressioning you. Yeah. You turned that into an editor after anything like this is too on the note. I was like, no, I'm going to take this out.
Yeah. And I was one that said, okay, once that happened and then Cassian was taking prisoner, the manifesto still on Nokina. So that's not going to play anything. So I love that came back.
We saw that he went back, grabbed the gun, the credits and the manifesto was still there. And I love that he still played a part here, moving the story forward. We go from there to then Cassian trying to find bigs at her place. Peg was there.
He said, what the hell is going on? And I kind of know, he's told that was happened then. He's done in the tunnel. A good boy.
Brasso comes there and they give the best hugs. And I'm like, I need one. But it also was, and I 20,000 people have said, we don't see this in television in general, install this type of male relationships, right? And it was great.
And it wasn't just like, okay, you're fine. You're good. That's tough. It was a I feel it.
It was a hug. It was a hug. It was a hug. I'm so glad you're alive, like this kind of genuine affection.
And then goes to, I guess what, the second of three, I don't have any great speeches. They were in this episode, which is something just every week, there's two or three speeches, but then just him recanting what Marga told them. And of course, I'm going to read it because as a parent, I need to to me was the last line of this one that got to me. But she's like, tell him he knows everything he needs to know and feels everything he needs to feel.
And when the day comes at those two and those two pull together, he will be unstoppable for good, which of course we know how that's going to play out. I lost my, okay, tell him I love him more than anything he could ever do wrong. And then as a first as a son or a daughter, you want your parents to always feel that for you. No matter how much you're going to screw up, they'll be there for you.
And as a parent, at least myself, it's no matter how much my kids, which I love you dearly, how much they'll screw up, we're always going to be there for them. I don't care. We're going to love you more than anything you can ever do wrong. So that's like, and of course we're casting him to hear that they left after a fight.
Like I said, we were fighting, we're arguing he tried to get the message, she'll be proud of me. I'm doing good. So he doesn't know how she feels about to hear that is what he needed. And of course, everything else before that telling him she's going to be a force for good when all this comes together.
Maggie, even in death, inspiring and all of us to move forward. Oh, it got that line is just everything. I wish we had seen that more in other parental units throughout Star Wars, not to mention it's solo, but like it was in the way that Leia, or they found out it found happened. It's that kind of unconditional love that I don't think that we have necessarily seen in Star Wars.
It's certainly been implied, but we've never gotten this direct correlation and heard it. And it makes looking ahead at Row 1, I'm going to keep talking about Row 1, so much of the stuff with the way that Cassian approaches Jen and her father that much more impactful because he says the things to her that he needed to hear when he lost Marva. And the way that Tony has just completed the circle with that is just, again, I'll just say magnificent. Like this whole scene, this whole scene, this whole scene, this whole scene, this whole movie crying.
It was like the manifesto started making me cry, then he had to go talk about Marva and that made me cry. And then Marva started talking and then I was crying again. It was an episode. Yeah, also, so we got Mike and Aloudet to it.
Finally, a modern Star Wars, not dying, but inspiring her son and just later on the whole people of Eryx. But again, I know you guys have mentioned this 20 times in the issue. It's like people don't need to die to kind of move the other guys, the stars or the protagonist story forward. Even though she dies here, at least it's natural causes and her story moves on, she's still alive, giving all these speeches.
These, again, live in each and every single one of them. Like Andrese is saying, Eli would never. Like Eli Carr, you're on eight years here and get the hell out of my house. But this interaction that Tonal first with Cassian, Brasso, and then the big speech by Marva.
I think the other speeches like Nemex Manifesto and Armiste speech in the swear are the kind of, they were very well written and they're very moving, but they're the kind of speech we get a lot of, like rebellion. So it's not probably we have this kind of rally call to arm speech all the time. But we have never, to my recollection on screen, had a parent express this much unconditional love so intensely. And I think that's really been missing because a lot of the characters, what messes them up at some point in their life is this idea that their parents don't love them.
We see it with Ben Solo, we see it with Poe Dameron. Like he doesn't think his dad loves him. So he runs off to be a spicer and like, they, which is like a thing that teenagers do. They don't think their parents care about them.
But Cassian at this point in his life has, I guess, reason in his mind to think that his mother would be disappointed that she doesn't love him, that she regrets the dog. Like he has, he has reason to believe all of this because he's just spent a month in prison because of everything he's done wrong. So to have Brasso say no, even at the end of her life, she still loves you more than anything you could have done wrong was exactly what he needed to hear. I think it's exactly what we needed to hear because we don't get enough genuine prolonged parental affection for like adult children.
Yeah, that's all the time. But for adult children, you have like Shimi and Anna can obviously, she loved her child. You have it like with children, but you haven't seen like a grown adult son having that, you know, affection. And like whatever a kid does wrong is for the most part to scale for a child, like their idea of wrong versus what an adult is capable of doing are on two completely different goals.
So I think for like, like you said, like as son's daughter says, adult children, seeing this kind of parental affection expressed on screen where no matter how old you get, how much you mess up, your parent loves you more than anything you could have done wrong, hits very, very hard. Yeah. And we know Cassian's been up to no good his entire life. Constantly getting into trouble.
He's what now to prison twice that we know. So that's not real. Well, clean his late and that's what I'll say. Oh, but Mo is adding that the only thing that comes close to her memory is that message within Kaylin and Jean, of course, going back to Rogue one.
I don't know how much Tony Gior had to do with that message. Oh, no, it's not me. He wrote it. But yeah, again, I'm past 42 years old.
I am, but you always want to hear that from your parents even if you're 18, 20, 40, if you're parents are still around, you still want to hear this. I'm pushing my parents. Sorry, not around anymore. We had a great relationship moving forward.
But time to time, you can't be my, what if they were still here? Would they still be proud of me and all that stuff? So it's great that I show like this that young middle age, not middle age, but you know, 20, 30, 40 year old, France are watching, still can't connect to that. It's not just for kids.
We don't need to hear that once in a while. But the Empire thinking they can't control everything. It's like, yeah, we're going to have a funeral procession. Only 40 people are going to show up.
I heard that number. Like that's funny. Oh, man. And then we have this brass band and the whole marching band starts when there was a great scene.
I'll say I've been a little bit critical with the score that it works for me on the show, not away from the show. If I just listen to a piece of music outside from watching the episode, doesn't connect to me too much. But this whole funeral procession was beautiful. The music was great here.
Everyone just walking down the streets was perfect. And then the Empire and having no idea what's going on. Where they coming from? What's happening?
There's like 150 people there. And in cotton, even before this, I think it's the way the show started. It's packed on building this bomb, right? Which I noticed that good guy is fighting the bad guy is the Empire.
If this was zero car and building a bomb, we will all be here. See that's indoctrination, but just going more and more into madness. I don't understand where he's going from because his dad was hanging the middle of the square, but it's still a little bit close to long as I haven't been there. But with hurting the news, people just making this homemade bonds and then blowing half whoever's around, not caring if they're going to hurt any innocent people.
So that was still kind of jarring to see even if it was from the good guys, going on cold, kind of point of view. But what were your thoughts on this? Also this funeral procession just emerging by and going forward as we're getting ready to hear a more of a speech with brass again, just carrying her brick leading this possession. I was surprised the Empire let it go on as long as it did.
Yeah. I kept expecting for them to intervene and then they just kept getting closer and closer like down Ricks Road into the swear. I'm like, OK, I guess they're going to like I knew they were waiting to drug assing out, but I was surprised that they didn't meddle sooner. And then I also thought it was very funny when the speech started and the guy had to cover beat his photo over to have the hologram thing.
And then his coat slides off and he makes no effort to push it back up. I thought was very funny. But yeah, I like the music too. Like you said, like it was the one that really kind of stood out for the season.
Yeah, that Imperial Tigo is a word. It's right next to the Emperor right now and people are heading Star Wars. But Maggie, same thing just hearing that music. Everyone, you mentioned it.
For the people, come on, that's dumb. Everyone's going to show up. She's a prominent member of ferris. They said like two episodes for two straight episodes and then just getting there and then be to, of course, just we love him so much.
Like Andres said before, yeah, this is a serious show where it can be too. We all turn back to those kids where we love Star Wars and droids as that message plays on. What were your thoughts? You want to say anything as I was right there.
I was like, why are there these guns for so long? Because that guy, he just wants to kill everyone. But it's deal. I kind of say, no, no, stop.
Don't put no snipers here. I need them alive. What are your thoughts? You want to see them play this hologram message going back to the bomb building.
I thought that was a fantastic way to start the episode because it's start like it's set a stage and like the tone for what was going to happen. Like I told you something is going to blow up some point in this episode. And I also thought it was interesting how it was used to show like the different ways people react to grief. Because like Cassian's form of like grief of his mother is I'm going to rescue you, like that my prime like focus and then you have woman who is reading his father on such a large scale of like looking for a way to punch back.
Like you took my dad. Okay, I'm going to take out like all of your people and I like the way that they set that up and I like that there was no dialogue at all. You instantly know what he's building. Like, you know that's why.
And I like the follow through of that. And I also love like when we hit the inciting moment of that how brassa was like nothing's happening to this kid. I'm getting this kid out like the way that the community like going back to the other conversation. But I love that they're terrified of a marching band.
The way that they reacted to hearing music was just hilarious. And again, went back to like the whole like powered on the panic and they are freaking out of a marching band. They're freaking out over anvil guy like and again and the way that it ties back into that three episode premiere with them banging on things and the way that so unnerved them. And then when you look at what the empire looks like on the inside how very sterile and clinical and like devoid of personality.
Not these people are listening to music out their desks like it just shows how like they're so they've lost like the soul of themselves because they're like they're afraid of music. They're afraid of a marching band and off to a marching band. Yeah, when they started, I guess we're practicing and tuning up. I like to be in my high school band.
I played from bone. I was better than this, but then they're practicing. They got better as they went along. To that point, Maggie Andress is saying that packs on building the boundary, my scene of every response is in mercenaries.
Why should they have any morals if the empire doesn't? All this year, all defense for joining us. Don't listen to the first. Don't listen to the first.
Hey, Emily, isn't he lucky? Yeah, I know. Yeah, just making us feel bad. Don't listen to the first five minutes of this episode.
We didn't say anything bad about you. I took it back. No, I can't wait to have you back here in two weeks. But yeah, all the build up to it was great.
And I know more than something to read anymore quotes, but I have to cause the funeral procession and then more of us. Make me cry. Yeah, sorry. We're trying to finish this by six.
I have to go through this. So every time and again, I'm just not reading all of it. Just pieces of it. So every time did that leave me with their truth and then she goes about talking about herself, not because I want to shine her and be remembered.
I want you to go on then she's talking about the empire and they forgot about the empire being there because they had each other. We were asleep. There is a wound that won't heal at the center of the galaxy. The empire is a disease that thrives in darkness fight the empire.
They knock down B2 and then so on. Gotta kick to the chest and a brick to the head and we all cheered for violence. Big big waking up and going mother. I crave violence.
It was great seeing because B2 was just walking down and then it's going to be the one to carry the brick at the end was his purpose there. Everything always gears are moving and then we get this giant hologram that for some reason, so it's not how to use their holograms to inspire others. But the whole speech was great and it's everything. It's not just the people from ferris the empire by this point.
Luton is their vell sinta. Didra everyone's there listening to this or it's kind of that catalyst that feels so just like the light of use and go on. So I love everything about it. We were talking a bit about it.
But also just finishing this message kind of the rally cry in front of the empire telling everyone fight the empire is going to happen. There was no other choice at that point. I so about this rallying cry Maggie sent a post where apparently the original word is not fight but something far more I can't say it on YouTube. Which honestly either way what a brilliant note to go out on where it's not she is not giving the empire any space to think that they can work with this that they can spin this somehow into like the ravings of an old woman or something pro empire she ends it with like fight the empire burn this down.
That is my last message to you and I was like yes, a clear sharp call to violence. Yeah, like I don't know two or three episodes ago when Cassian and her having that touch is like I've been sleeping too long I'm ready to join the fight again and he's like you two just go you get cold you need your blanket forget about it but then it comes to this and I'm guessing another word that started with F instead of fight but it's listening we can go that far but we can all play with it in my mind. I'm guessing. Yeah, it's just impossible.
I just did play they can do everything see they recorded it. It takes a few minutes. So my before you just listening to this and then just the fight starts action so I forget his name just throws that bomb everything blows up up and then the empire just says truly so we're just going to kill everyone. I don't care fired will see the answer getting shot again showing how evil the empire said care.
They should kill everyone there to kind of them push us everyone to hopefully join the fight with the cast and I did. I loved everything about this the the action was perfect the camera work was perfect with the big visual entry and everything like the smoke the flashes everything was just so good. I didn't go back to Marvos Beach because I loved I don't know the exact quote but it's like dies in the darkness essentially and I love that it's very clear that Tony got that from the Washington Post because after Trump became president they changed the tagline for the Washington Post to democracy dies in the darkness and so it was like the fact that I could see that echoed into the way that he wrote this beach made me happy because it's again I love seeing like the real world like follow through into it and seeing where he picked up those threads it's just very fun. I love that speech to me to cry.
I love the idea of somebody who knows that they are getting ready to die and they're like I'm going to go out with thing like I'm going to I'm going to make this be the rally and cry because she knows that she's this prominent person in barracks they're all going to come to her funeral everyone is going to be there so like what can I do with my dying breaths to inspire everyone and it's just fantastic. It's also the scene apparently Diego Luna cried on set over. I can understand why. You said all this smoke is going off and we have veil I think it is just running into the smoke.
I said Bruce Wayne in my mother's room and just running through the smoke. We need her hero moment. I'm going to talk about balancing time. But we while all this is going on.
Cash and is underground getting people mixed up. I was going to be over here. He's already on the detour going to the hotel to rescue Bix which Bix is so messed up mentally at this one. She is still I had a dream that you were here when he's trying to take it.
I said no no they get angry. We can't do anything. It's heartbreaking to see her that way especially for him. But a great play like we said before that he wasn't part of this big very fight against the Empire.
He had to take care of Bix because she's here because of what I did and then also the episode and then he takes her to this not Junkyard but with the other star she just to get there. But that was a great scene and as the whole crap is going down our creepy friends zero CC did wrap this walk. Oh she's here and even the other guys are like what are you talking about just just. I'm good.
Is every instinct is immediately overridden. He's like is that Cassian? Cassian who? I don't know what that is.
Why am I here? Oh no my girlie pop is here. Does that look good? Yeah I mean I understand people have issues with shipping them and I get it.
He's creepy. He's a stalker. He's still and I don't ship people. I didn't say.
I love him. No Iky I love him. And that scene and I going back to your articles I saw one reason from Tony Giro saying yeah I was supposed to make you Iky but who knows how this is going to apply season two and Ikyard. Ikyard.
He's a swipe right joke. He's a steal on an alt right dating app. But I said at the beginning we haven't seen Imperial romances. I don't know if this is going to lead to it.
It's really bad. I'll take it. It's so bad. It's so bad.
I want to see it happen just because I love being uncomfortable. Also you don't come somewhere. She's panicking her eyes on the desperation she's getting dragged around and then he comes to the rescue. She's trying to kill him.
You it's Cyril. I know who the hell you are. What the hell are you doing here? She's like there's nowhere I can go to this man.
I feel like in the moment she's glad he's there but whatever was happening with him in season two. I feel like she's going to kill him at the end of this. She's going to shoot that man in the chest. I don't know.
But that's my thinking. It's going to wear off at some point. I just want to see him bring her home to Edie. We think those morning breakfasts are uncomfortable.
Imagine a morning after breakfast and her being like, Edie's going to try to make her eat Cyril. She's like what? What is happening in the household? This is why your son's insane.
You know how outside he is listening to everything. He's criticizing his technique. I'm sorry. This is an afterdock.
I'll say that. It was uncomfortable to see. But at the same time I had fun with it. But even though he was sitting there, there were bad guys.
You said it might be at some point. At least everything gets shot. The way that scene was shot. Not just her but the other team.
I don't know. The way he was crawling through the feet of everyone. As people from Phaix were just falling down and they got killed or shot or whatever. Pretty stressing to see leading to that uncomfortable reunion.
We'll see where it goes. Nick is adding that it was. I'm happy they didn't use big society as one dimension of love interest. It's an independent business one who has relied on.
I'm always leaving. I got tortured because she knew too much. Correct. And I love that none of our main characters died.
To push on what's going forward. Or they're not in rock one or they're not in a new hopeless. What happens in season two? Whatever happens.
The one that had a story moves on with them leads to Belan Sinta. A lot of people were wondering, is one of them not going to make it this lesbian relationship in Star Wars? We've never seen this really obvious that is happening for me just in Bela. Because Sinta is just about the cause.
Of course there's love there but she's just always going to get you but there's ISB, supervising. And I was like I don't walk here myself. Yes. But you can see this is not very thing in her.
I think Bela when she's talking to Sinta trying to communicate something else. Get yourself out of the window. There's something there and then I love that by the end they're still around. Hopefully we'll see them in season two.
We can get more with them. Would you surprise Maggie that not just that we got this type of relationship in Star Wars So obvious about that they're still around and they'll hopefully play a big part in season two I think because I had such high expectations and was so optimistic in the start I assumed that everybody would mostly make it out I didn't go into the finale the final two episodes together Like two weeks ago, so I watched them together and I was like I don't think anyone's gonna die I know like everybody was like theorizing the people are gonna die But I went into that completely expecting that because so many people's stories were not finished yet that he was going to keep them At least through part of season two, but we do know ultimately that it casting is gonna have to lose everyone because he says he's lost everyone Which is not great, but I did go into this expecting everyone to survive and I liked that we got sent to the Shanking That was magical that was a great moment. She did so she was just like No expression at all and when she's back and they're like little house and I was like you're bleeding. She's like not my blood.
Yeah Yeah, also were you as hopeful as Maggie that everyone's gonna make it while he's balancing that they were gonna make it I think at least someone wasn't are you happy? I guess I'm happy everybody made it. I think I didn't think anybody was gonna die Purely because Marva had died And I'm like I we know these characters are we kind of know their vibe But I feel like yeah Cassian doesn't have as much of emotional connection with any of them that dying would mean something sure Because even if Marva dying isn't like she didn't die to further his plot She was elderly and sick, but like there's nothing it wouldn't benefit the story for any of them to die So I'm just like okay, they're gonna they're probably gonna happen to season two, but for now. Yeah, yeah Bell and sent a died it casting would be like who died.
I don't know who people are. Oh, yeah Which one were they? Oh Like but once I feel like those characters are all at risk in season two Once Cassian's working with them and like has connections with them and we know in road one He says he's lost everyone so like everybody on that Little bus at a dodge and you know has a target on the wrecks. All right, so that boss as they're trying It wasn't I don't know what shit there was we have Jesse was just one of the daughters on ferris pegla brasso B2 And again, I forgot will mom and Maggie and mocha's mocha's my just my book if he's never gonna name all your stealthy Who is I'm glad I don't participate in my own trivia because I wouldn't do too well But they all make it out of ferris Cassian's there.
We're also happy to see him Biggs is still Cassian's always comes back. You'll find us. Oh, we always love yes Even be to I didn't get to see you. I know you're leaving and he's like, oh, you gotta I'm counting on you Oh, you always say that and you always come through it's like that love there also that poor droid But they all make it out and we'll see what happens for season two which you know a lot of them won't make it But before we jump real quick to a different place not ferris is Cassian is waiting for lu-then in the fandor lu-then gets there cuz he had a lot of here full stealth and Kid it's kind of other something wrong here and Cassian's there basically kill me or take me in What do you think also change?
Luther's mind instead of killing Cassian you think just Cassian saying that he wants to join the rebellion or was it maybe hearing Marva's speech for me at least if I think hearing Marva's speech that Cassian comes from this woman that has these ideals very similar to him Kind of made him realize okay. He'll be better an asset better than I just killing him here I think lu-then was shocked like just absolutely shocked into inaction because he had this idea of Cassian being like the mercenary The guy who doesn't care like we can pay him to do the aldani job and then we got to take him out because he knows too much But Cassian just kind of showing up and being like well Me or kill me. He's like hang on I have wildly underestimated this man So I think I think that was lu-then's primary thing like that's the episode and it wasn't just pure shock Okay, Maggie and for Cassian Because I took it the same again the whole season is in going down this path But was there something in Marva's message or that final message the hologram that pushes him to okay This is where my path lies. I can't just be going and running around doing jobs here and there's something bigger That should be part of you think Marva's message helping kind of finally jump make that comp I have the definitive answer of that since that's collider S.
Diego about that So I brought up the breakout about that But yeah, essentially I believe in terms of what he said was like the drive was Marva And also like the the fact that he's reached this point where he's realized this life isn't worth living unless I'm living for something Like he's so he's been so broken by all the events that have happened that he's realized that like well I guess what lu-then's at the beginning of the series about like do you really want to just keep breaking off parts of yourself? Or do you just want to give it all? I think he's finally reached that point like he's seen he's seen what the Empire will do to people who are innocent He's seen what will do the Empire will do to his community and he's heard what his mother It's like dying wish was and so he's pushed finally to the press this Yeah, and I swear this episode is not sponsored by collider But go check all those articles I've read 25 articles this week about the end-or so I like just everything I'm trying to close my eyes I just see like the words Captain and or Yes, but they've been great and I did read a few of them before they just so much sure and I read this and yeah He talks about this. I think there's something else I see two different things have pushes him but again great thing about Star Wars and the series we can all make our little assumptions of what was All right, so moving And again, that's why I don't write TV shows because if it was me episode three games already part of the rebellion we're on our way to To get you slow burn.
No, no, no, I'm giving my door episode three already on fifth planet or seventh mission No, I love I told you that when we took the first time I love that we got these three episodes all because all the shows I love them, but we have gotten this enough very middle episode We have gone to the whole thing we needed this low burn. Can we look at how many hours of and or we got when you calculate These 12 episodes. It's like it's like a movie and a half it's We're only halfway there But then we jump to Coruscant. That's not real quick as we finish up The Empire went after Krieger a history man didn't put up a fight We found out that 11 which I was missing bleving for a little bit We show up.
He was part of this well Let's talk about our favorite couple out there Mon Mothma and Perin Farta Farga Farta, thank you. I'm thinking I'm done Did you guys pick up when they have that argument when she goes to pick him up? Oh you gambling again, were you getting all your money? Oh your line?
Tell me who said this? I'll tell you why blah blah and all the he's not hearing of course he's hearing Did you guys speak to that? This was all a force just because they knew they were being spied on cuz I'm like whoa whoa Come on Perin, don't be so bad. Maybe he's telling that truth when I watch it the second time.
I okay They said it later on I missed it, but was it that obvious? I don't know I mean it was set up in I think episode four Ramon mentions that her driver is listening It's always listening so she can't really have conversations in her car So I feel like they drop that and like such a minor way early on and she obviously needs a cover story This is why I was like parents on all that because I knew this poor man is here to get framed Yeah, so I can use I don't do slow burn so that's why I didn't pick from four episodes. I mean six episodes But also then are you surprised that Perin is in on this helping in Monmouth my cover where older for a thousand four hundred thousand credits went Cuz leading up to this at least myself and a lot of people are like parents that were he doesn't cover anything He's gonna be the reason Monmouth my little family. Well, actually he might be helping out a little bit covering Well, this money is then when they go meet with freaking Davos Colton's family He doesn't want to be there.
His eyes is like his face is like this sucks. I don't want to bring my daughter into this We heard that in the previous episode and we turn in a corner on Perin was in not as bad as we thought Don't get my reading on Karen until this serious second was but I didn't even clock that he might be in on this I thought she just threw him Completely under the bus. Okay. I'm so I'm so I'm so excited and he's like I literally don't know what you're talking about What's the way to like get she's thinking that the driver's gonna tell the empire and then that will account for her Money thing and parents just the fall guy He just happens to be in her way.
It didn't even occur to me that he might be in on it until this second Because we're late it's I think it's again one of those things were the left up to you interpretation because I see like my initial I was like oh my god. I can't lose you. She's making you a fog guy for this and he's like taken aback because she's been like Sulting in the car like she does everything about And then re-watching it. I was like his it was so scripted But you know it is a TV show so it's like it's hard to tell like how much of it is like actual surprise and so much of it is Could be this ruse.
Yeah, it's a mean you have to know that his kids getting ready to get married off I mean she would have had to have a conversation at some point so I Want to say that she's not trying under the bus. I don't know maybe I don't know why I'm turning the corner on Perin I don't know He's not the best husband. I know Maggie had your own your shows He doesn't want to be in the same situation That's I think that's it but again when I watch it the second time and it again I didn't know what to do the first time I read some article saying that all this is the way them On one month I can hide all her money issues and like oh, okay makes sense and then I start to think what's very In on this I want to give him the benefits read of the doubt all if he's still out there I think we talk at some point can there be a redemption arc for Perin I said no way maybe maybe All right, so I forget seemed and die We get a kiss of gratitude before the We have to you guys mentioned something earlier. I know I'm full circle as we finish up So again, we're finishing up Maggie last kind of thoughts season one and then I don't want to go too much into What you hope to see in season two or at least one thing that you hope to see next in two years from now Oh gosh two years and now I'm really excited about whatever they're gonna do on the oven I secretly hope that we're going to get some like connections to the damrons That's like my one wish and I think there's a there's potential for that to be a cameo.
That's not aggressively annoying Because those are characters we've only ever really seen in books and have heard about we've never actually seen I could see those two being Introduced in a fun way on yavin and that's like if I want hydreme, I'm sure what happened, but it's what I would like to see happen But yeah, the season has just been unreal on so many levels Yeah, and that would be a good one It like you say won't be something that other people we kind of waiting for and for some casual fans I don't read the novels or the books they might not even know who they are till the last name is spoken and then they can go on Those stories are so for you just final thoughts in this whole for a season if there is something that you hope into see next next time I thought Percy's it was really good. Uh what I hope to see next season is they were gone. Yes It's great. There's nobody came here Even just a one-off even just him like like in rogue one.
He's just kind of in the room and then he's the room like I don't know if it's a failure again. Yeah I mean for myself this whole season worked perfectly It was everything that I hope the series will be in terms of showing us both sides of the empire and the rebellion Um, and now the rebellion we didn't get to see it actually full on I think see some two with all these times We'll get more into it. I was one that was saying we're gonna get one bell again I we're getting credit. Of course we're getting the emperor makes sense for him to be in the senate Uh, we might get it so everyone else But I'm glad that we didn't but I I'm hoping that we get at least credit kind of makes sense now that we had that post-trad scene We didn't get to talk about it They were building parts of the desktop which what a lot of people kind of thought was gonna what's gonna happen I love that they were till the end it just is minimal part that goes into the big radar This is in consequential, but they need so many and of course that's what they hadn't worked in Basically 24 hours everyone over there, but I think makes sense of being credit at least for one scene Um, but yeah, better again has to be there has to hopefully Alright, so for everyone in the chat and the rest nake mo Observer do they just got here.
Thanks for joining and we talk about the prequels. We all love the prequels Oh, sorry, I took it out and so if I miss someone else that was undressed, I think I mentioned Anyway, everyone does on the chat stand for being here. All the of course, all the was there and Maggie also You know, I love when you guys come on here. We'll have you again next year.
We'll come back Uh, what can people find you Maggie? You can find me on twitter at Maggie of the town for the time being And you can finally treat my bio as well my other various things. You want to find me on hi I'm also Maggie of the town there. I'm also Maggie of the town on tumblr.
Uh, so yeah, you can find me out there bright And go read all the great collider articles about and or anything else also same what can people find you while you're working on? So I'm on twitter at ours. I mean I'm at rzd2 everywhere else so tumblr hive instagram if that's your thing Uh, you can also find me a collider you can find me at rzd2.com. I finished the kennobe dead i've prented series I'm very slowly posting that so that's my comfort for All right, so everyone go check those out those links at this other twitter link is on the description down below You can follow us at radio.com on twitter instagram also high also my only moon period on have is kind of coming down and like, okay It's a good twitter substitute if it ever goes down but I'm kind of like over it a little bit right now.
But anyway, we're not here to talk about it Um That's it time for janine s season five was great all I guess for and all and for the 27 episodes We had make sure to be here in two weeks for our trivia finale. That's gonna be great a lot of great contestants Have uh, have have a happy holidays christmas and everything else that you might celebrate Thanks for being here stay safe be safe. I made a force be with you