S5 EP7: Review: Kenobi Part 4

And welcome to another episode of Radio Rebellion, a Star Wars podcast, and thank you for joining us on another great Star Wars Saturday. How are you guys doing out there? I'm here with our co-host, how are you doing today, Otis? Yes, that's the way.

Go ahead, introduce our guests. Go ahead, introduce our guests. Oh, we're joined by the awesome Norhaa, how are you, Norhaa? Thank you so much for having me.

Hello there. Hello there. We're almost made, a little bit late almost as we're all showing our canopy towards before we started. Oh, yes.

Yes. We got that close word, Clone Wars flashback that I was saying we were getting. Oh, oh, oh. It's been a while since we started.

It's been a while since we started magazine. But yes, Norhaa, thanks for being here. I always enjoyed it. We got to talk with you.

So thanks for joining us tonight. Otis cannot throw you, not throw you on the bus, so he cannot say, hey, I've been talking to Norhaa. She wants to be on the show. Yes, we're talking soccer.

A couple of weeks ago, he was mad, but the team was losing. No, my team wasn't losing. The team I hate was winning. Which so happens to be the team Norhaa loves.

I was actually going to wear a Barcelona shirt just to honor our guests. I'll be able to talk. Yes, this is over. Yes, this is over.

14. 14 champion. There you go. All right.

Let's get him out of here. Sorry about that. Yeah, talk about sharing a new shirt. Oh, that was very cool.

So shout out to my wife to get it. Give me three weeks before Father's Day. There you go. Can you hear me?

Yeah. I have the lame shirt now. Oh, come on. It's Darth Vader.

This is really cool. The... It actually never is for me. Yeah.

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But yeah, Otty, it's been a week since last week talk. I was a little bit under the weather, but how are you guys doing? How are you guys doing? Many Star Wars stuff before we get into everyone you guys have been experiencing this week?

I... Not much Star Wars really apart from Obi-Wan. I've actually played and finished Dead Eye Fallen Order. I actually finished it like the minute Kenobi end that I started playing the game again.

Because I was in the last mission. I started playing last weekend and I finished it like Kenobi. A lot of timing, like the episode that came out, right? It was perfect.

Yeah, what a coincidence, right? Nora, have you played Dead Eye Fallen Order and watched this episode just one night? I haven't, as a matter of fact, but I was aware of the storyline on the put in a... Wait a second, that sounds so rare.

Wait, definitely now my interest on playing the game has increased tenfold, so definitely not. I'm right there with you. I've said it, I don't know how many times I have, I haven't played the game, but I've watched all the cutscenes, I know these stories. So I kind of knew a little bit when it came out, they said, oh, there's a couple of things, ten of my interest with Fallen Order.

But then you went on social media and everyone was freaking out about all the connections. Alright, so let's go. Let's not wait anymore. Before we start, who's out there in the chat?

Excuse me. Maybe I'm not as... I was not there. So as always, we have Dale somewhere around here.

Hi. He's saying hi to Norho. He's saying hi to Norho who's also here in the chat. Hey, hi, Norho.

We also have emotional level. We also have emotional evolution, who's watching... I think that was all of us. We all went through emotional evolution watching, we can always so far.

Yes. So sorry. Yeah, I mean, it's a lot. That's why some of the complaints I see for the show when people say, oh, if they just fix the story or the writers, I'm like, what they have on you guys watching?

That's the best part, the writing is the best part. Don't get me sorry because I'll go out in a big rant. Maybe at the end, I'm getting very angry at the... Like, the discourse around it.

We'll save it for the end. Talk about some of the criticism out there, see if anything is valid. Or if it's just people wanting to complain. I'll tell you how time we're doing on time.

But before we officially start, know how we thought a little bit before we started. How are you feeling about that series so far coming into episode four? Well, again, thank you for having me. Definitely, I've been pleasantly surprised.

I tried to get a hold of my expectations because I know we've been waiting for this, you know, be serious for a long, long time. And of course, a lot of things come into my mind. Like, I want flashbacks. I want this.

I want that. I gotta say, I've been pleasantly surprised for the way the story has been developed so far. Yeah, it's been... It's awesome to have you and McGregor again back into Hayden as well.

And well, we've been pleasantly surprised. Like, I have to mention Lil Lea. I love her so much. Years ago, I wrote that I wish we had a young Lea in live action.

Of course, influenced by Lea Princess of Alder and for the book, because I love that book. And... But this is way better. I mean, having a 10-year-old Lea in played fantastically by Vivian Leora Blair has been the icing of the cake.

Which can we? The fact that that girl has Leora in her name is like... I know! What are the odds?

Yeah. Man, it's something we talked about this before, Auti. If you had told us before this show started, oh, there's gonna be a young Leora. Oh, no.

What are you doing? Leora needs. And even when she showed up, that first episode, I'm like, oh, I don't know where this is gonna go, but she's been great. And the evolution of the actual, just the character, but the actual scene from that first couple of scenes to the end of episode four that we'll get to it.

But of course, Mo loves the name Leora. She's a great actress for being 10 years old and what she's bringing to the show is great. She's been awesome. She's Lea.

She's Lea. Lea. To the tee. Alright, so I think that's...

Let's get on. Let's go with this. I don't have words anymore. Sorry if you guys are ready.

I'm already last talk Star Wars. And all I said, man, comment on Kenobi. Nothing wrong with a little order. That's where you...

Nothing wrong with a little order, right? Okay. Come on, Fregch. I was telling Norah how before we started.

I was just being so for episodes this morning. I just seemed frecked again. I'm like, oh, Fregch, you broke my heart. We were there with you.

Yeah, his pee is a vermin, but I gained great characters. One of those characters that we all gonna remember forever. Oh, for sure. He's gonna be like, what Ben Quadeneros is doing.

He's gonna make this on one ankleboard. Yeah. So I almost, I tried to find, I couldn't find one of those red noses on Red Nose Day. I had a pink wig.

I put on my clown makeup because all day last week I was here. So when we're getting flashback to the Clone Wars, the Grand Inquisitor is coming back. Yeah. Queen Lam Ball is gonna be at the end of this transport.

We're getting everything, hit me with all the fanservice. The show starts, can always, dreaming, having all these nightmares. I'm like, here we go. Okay, come see flashbacks.

Yes. We didn't get it. But that's fine. Yes, I'm sorry.

But we got something that might be a lot better. And it's that back to scene when we get Obi-Wan. I don't know if he's sensing Vader the other end. Vader's on back that time.

Both of them are suffering trying to get better. What do you think about this scene, Oti? And that we didn't get those flashbacks right at the beginning. I was waiting for them.

The minute we see them in the tank, I'm like, here it comes. You can't see it. But there's so much here. And it can't be me just reaching.

I tweeted out yesterday that people need to stop forcing these connections. But the way I saw it is this parallel of Kenobi and Vader, both in their back to tanks. And there's something very interesting about it. Just notice how they're in this pit of water.

And the difference is Kenobi can take himself out while Vader needs someone else to take him out of the tank. And it parallel to me, in the sense that Kenobi right now is in this dark place. And he's calling to Qui-Gon to help him get out and go back to the light. And for me, it's parallel to this thing that he has to be the one to take himself out.

Versus Vader who will need Luke in return of the dead. I took him out of his pit. So I, just like that, many scene gave me all these thoughts. And I thought it was so interesting and how they cut between them.

It was so, so good. Yeah. You're reaching. Don't go that far.

No, maybe. One of them saying that if you just want to watch it and just enjoy this scene, it's great because you see both of them. Kenobi, okay, he's suffering. He's getting better.

Vader's in there. He needs to be there for the rest of his life. He's never going to get better for all the things that can we put him through. But just a way that it was shot just went from the shoulders down.

Then you can see Vader's on code at the elbow. Then you see Kenobi's hand. It's like, okay, he's suffering. And he went through all this.

But he's still, like you said, he can still pull himself out while Vader needs help from machines or whatever. And then you get into the motion. But nor, nor how, when you saw this scene, do you have any one of those connections or do you just saw it as two old friends kind of just broken at the same time? Well, I gotta be honest.

I mean, Otib makes a really great point that at first, I just saw like this two old friends master and apprentice and brothers in arms. And we're seeing they had the story and we see the parallels between the back of the time he's seen. But I think, Otib, you made a great point how he's on a dark place. Then he's on a dark place and he needs to pull himself out of it, whereas Vader can't and will not until return of the Jedi.

So that's a fantastic perspective. But, and yeah, I was waiting for the book of Bobovette as spoilers. Let's be honest because we're waiting. But I think maybe it would have been nice to have, but I think it was, it's a good point in how himself goes above the back tank.

And like, yeah, even when he like, Talah said, hey, you're still your burns, you need to cover. And he's like, no, let's go. Let's go save Leia. Yeah, he had that kind of same one, when Finn wakes up from the last jail and the first thing he does is has worse rate.

And here we go, you know, worse Leia. And it had this very similar effect like in like last year, I where they go, where's Rey? Boom, we got to, oh, where's Han? We got to Kylo and I really like that.

Yeah. Oh, it's just rhymes. Yeah, well, before we go to worse Leia, they finally get, I guess I got to Jabbin, even though it's not confirmed that they made it to Jabbin, but they're in this place now. And we get broken by Australia, Jackson.

Oh, you know. No, we love us. It's very fit. We all again, clown makeup, what is it?

But jokes aside, I think our friend made that we'll twirl it out something, and I replied, well, everything I thought was going to happen, it shouldn't happen, but it's better because then I was surprised with everything that came. So we get broken. We get some of the other people are helping out the other path. And he's kind of getting mad off here.

We can help too much too many eyes on him. They're going to come shut us down. We need to get getting mad off here. And through that conversation, we learn, hey, Lauren, how are you doing Lauren?

Thanks for joining us. We learned that he was married to a Jedi, so when it was for sensitive and taken by the inquisitors. I'm not sure how they see in there with Rogen learning a little bit about his past. Did you enjoy this?

And do you think it's going to come back at some point that we learned more who his wife was? Well, it would be fantastic if we learn more about Rogen and his wife, but I think it's fantastic to show the extent of how the empire and the inquisitors, what they have been done so far. Right now, we are at the middle of the journey between episode three and episode six, and that we obviously have more we have learned from Rogue One, Rebels, other media. But so far, I think the wizard has been chasing Jedi, has been chasing for sensitive people.

It shows you the extent. I think my theory is that Rogue One's wife was a Jedi, Padawan, or a jungle, or maybe a Jedi Knight for all we know. But because of how he refers to Kenobi, General. General Kenobi, like the Clone Wars.

It makes me feel like there was certain connections he knows who's going to be. But yeah, it shows you the extent of how at this point, they're just like this underground rail work helping people, helping for sensitive people run out of danger, rather than being like a rebellion like this rebel cells we've seen, like with a sobriera or with. I love that. And what?

And this nest. And with the rebels, the lost of rebels. But it's more like, hey, we're just helping people, saving people. We're not fighting like directly the engaging in a fight.

Do you see what Soli says later? Hey, we're not soldiers. We're just helping people. Yeah, I was going to go there because they're not soldiers at this point till the end when Tyler goes there, Soli is now, I guess.

But yeah, they're not soldiers. They're just moving people. But yeah, Oti, did you catch that when he called General because I haven't seen people talking about this. When I heard they're like, wait, wait, wait, they just finally said, General, it's like, oh, flashback.

Yeah, it's one of my favorite little moments because of the reaction because he doesn't react. He just takes it. And I think that's something that if it happened in the first episode, he would have been like. Or maybe in the second or third episode, he'll be like, no, no, no, no, no, Ben Kenobi, Ben Kenobi, not General.

And here he just takes it and runs with it, showing a little bit how he's changing and maybe accepting his role and what he had to do back in the day. So what are my favorite little moments? Because it's almost blinking. You'll miss it.

Yeah. And to your point, Norhal, I really love seeing the first building blocks of the rebellion. We've seen them here and there with Enthas Nast, with Sagarera and seeing other parts. We'll talk about the ships later, but it's so, so awesome.

Yeah. Again, little notes, like you said, all the time. And there's a lot of episodes where we had so many, many subtle notes in dialogue. I guess your soldiers now don't so much work in the end.

Yes. And again, this is what K2 says, right? To, to, to, to, again, yes, yes, yes, you are rebel now. It's like, uh, Norhal should be back.

I guess everyone's having connection issues today. Well, then here we learn when Rogue can kind of start getting in my help. You got it. I'll help you out.

And let's talk about photos and cohes tutorials. This is in the Moosta Voice system. Oh, that's Vaido system. And then all we kind of pricks it.

Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. It's Vaido. It's Vaido. No, no, no, it's coming.

And then they started doing this classic Star Wars rescue mission. It's, we know, we know what's going to come. Did you enjoy this kind of setup to what was coming? Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised how quick we got into it.

Yeah. Because, you know, the first thing I do when I turn on this, oh, this one's short or. And then I'm like, oh, and the lines like, can all be devices apply or I don't know. And I'm like, oh my God, this is going to be like a planning episode.

And like 10 minutes in and we're already in four dozen quilitorias. So I was very pleasantly surprised by that. Yeah, because last week when we were trying to figure out what's going to happen, you were saying, oh, this don't expect a lot of action. This is probably going to be a slower episode.

Just can't know. We cannot try to rebuild himself. And we went straight into the action pretty quick. Even though it was a 32, 35 minute episode, I didn't feel it to be that short because we got into what was going on pretty quickly.

There wasn't a lot of planning. But yeah, I was kind of surprised when I read the little things and there was going to be just a rescue mission. What is Lauren saying? Yeah.

So she says that when they mentioned fortress inquisitoria, she was screaming cow. And yeah, and I love that they mentioned like fortress inquisitoria. They say my name. Yeah.

And also I'm going to show this because and then I know what a T-47 speeder was until they pick up Kenobi and same. That was something that just went over my head. All right. Glad you're not participating.

There will be a tree that is coming out soon. But I knew there must no speeders. They say T-47s are like, wait, is that what? Look, used to fly.

Oh, there's his bag. No house bag. So they leave the little base that they had. They go straight, not to this rescue mission because Stella said, I'll take it on my ship.

I should have my clearance. Let's go do this. Then we see Kenobi trying to use the force to pull that little communicator. He still doesn't have it.

He's like, I'll be all right. I'll be all right. But Stella, do you need more time? Do you need to be forgotten?

What is it? The past is a hard thing to forget. And then we go, something can't be forgotten. And that's what he's holding on.

Since the beginning, you're going to move on. That's going to show his building. We're letting go of the past. If you're out there, you can hear us.

How did you look at this scene? We're still struggling to use the force to move a little object. It's not ready for anything at the moment. No, I think we lost her.

But yeah, he's definitely still working on that connection, but starting to come back. He got to pull the thing. But the force is way more than just pushing and pulling things. I think he'll get to where he needs to be by the end.

It reminded me of, I used to take kickboxing back in 1998, 1999, so 20-some years ago. I still think I can do it. If two people joined me, I can still have my... I remember when I was supposed to do it, but my body can't do it.

I think that's what Kenobi is like. I know, I still know how to use the force. I know what's behind it, but I can't tap into it. Do you remember an old man like me?

No, no, no. We have a bag. We have a bag. Yeah.

Right. No. Can you hear us? Yes.

Sorry. No, no. Take your problems. It's everywhere.

But just so we're starting to talk about when they leave the little base camp heading to Fortes, in Victoria, Santa, and Obi trying to use the force and still struggling to move that little object. It's a conversation we've talked about for getting about the past. Where do you see Kenobi at this point? Well, I think it makes sense because, I mean, 10 years have passed since episode three, and the place where he's at, obviously, he has lost pretty much everyone who was part around, of his cool suit around with him.

For example, going back to part two, how Riva connected bail was someone close to Kenobi, and obviously because he served, he was a close up senator. But anyway, if you think about it, everyone else who was close to Kenobi's death, I mean, Padme Anakin, he thought he was dead, but the rest of the Jedi and even Satean, he's lost everyone. And I mean, our two are fantastic points on Collider on her article about how after he faced a loss, for example, in episode one, when he lost Guaygon, it's like he owns six ownership of that loss. And I mean, I'm going to train Anakin because that's what I was asked to do as a way to face his loss.

And so and so, but in this case, when we see Return of the Sith, he thinks Anakin is gone. He goes and saves Padme because she's about to give birth, but then she's gone too. So basically, we see that he says, yeah, I'll watch over the boy. So maybe his plan at that moment was, okay, yeah, the Lars are going to take care of him, but then I'm going to train him.

He's been 10 years, he hasn't been able to do that. So of course, he's in a dark place. He's just surviving as we saw on bar one. He's just trying to pass the time and he's made the force aside because he still has issues to confront.

And I think Tala makes a really valid point. Like, yeah, you have to go over that, mate, because if not, you're going to have still struggle like you're doing right now. Yeah, go ahead. So, to the North House point, the thing I keep reiterating, I see Kenobi not thinking he can't go back to being the Jedi Master.

I think he's terrified of doing so. We see him the minute he nights the lightsaber he can kick ass again. But I think he's terrified of that because he could train Anakin. He trained the best Jedi of all time and look what happened.

And I think that's his mental block. He's just so afraid of what can happen if he helps that he can't even pull the communicators. He's getting there, like you said, but he's like, I don't want to say 50%, maybe like 45%. But I don't know who it was on Twitter.

I think I saw a couple of weeks ago. Someone cannot say how each episode is mirroring one of the movies. Like episode one mirror Phantom Menus. I can't remember how about episode two, Aetacolic loans Kenobi on this mission to rescue someone, get information.

Episode three, just fighting against Anakin and Vader going to the fire. Now episode four, rescuing Leia in an empire kind of base. Episode five, oh, that's going to be that confrontation. And then six, kind of bringing back to the latter, something.

So I love that someone kind of pointed that out. And I want to know if that's what the kind of creators kind of mentality going through this. But then we just talk about Leia and where we're poor Leia. So I can please her again, she's learning and she's great.

Again, we said this at the beginning, but I love that she was kind of a princess at the beginning. I was very, very privileged. Like princess of all around. Again, just a delivery.

She was great. And then Rebecca comes in and is like, we don't care. Here, we don't take kindly to your kind, basically. Oh, they were you scared for a little Leia?

Probably a little bit as he was beginning to get interrogated. Because I mean, don't you'll be fine. But I love all those scenes. Like little Leia is so like sassy and she's not taking.

She remind me with her the, it reminded me of Grogu with his. Yeah, it'll be. Yeah. But I just love seeing Leia and then like, paralleling doing the parallel with Luke sitting in top of the bone.

Yeah. Look, right now, I remember because before this everyone was like, Oh, Luke Skywalker was taking to the desk where he has to work and Leia. She said, please, just hanging out and there's a reverse. No, no, no, no, no.

I was like, I'm not going to tell her twice and Luke is still playing outside. There's no worries. No worries. Yeah.

But that Rebecca cannot tell her, can always dead. No one's going to save you. That people that were supposed to help in left in there to die and she tries to break her down and she's like, I'm not telling you anything. Okay.

But then she shows her the Jedi symbol from the path and goes through. We know about this. I love that. Because Leia doesn't know anything about the path.

And instead of saying, I don't know anything, she's like stringing her along like I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to tell you. We see those inklings of what she's going to become later on when she goes like, oh, the basis I'm dancing. Yeah.

And I love that. Like the minute she started in Turkey, I was like, she doesn't know. It's like, oh, it's my cookie. Yeah.

It's just what Tala said five minutes before they she got kicked up for the second time. But nor are we, I talked with Othi and with Lauren last time talking about when they went into the path and. And Reva sees the Jedi symbol on the wall. And I think it kind of broke her down a little bit.

And here that's what she brings to Leia. Hey, we know about this. There's more out there. We didn't take it.

I'm not into anything. Do you think there's a little part in Reva's not nice stuff in Reva's mind back there that when she sees that. Did I see more she kind of comes back a little bit to her? It's some good times.

I know. I think and I still believe that that beginning of part one where we saw the Jiangling straining and order 66. I still think that has to do something with Reba and especially with her obsession with Kenobi is why she's so obsessed with like, you know, and I think that my theory is that she was part of the Jedi. She was a Jiangling or something.

And we have to remember that this message that Kenobi that wanted to be saw in Reva's that he sent everyone like, yeah, run away. Like just stay away from the temple. So in some way it can be interpreted as a key of I don't know. He was one of the leaders.

I love that. Yeah. And I think it has to be because then she keeps talking about, oh, I had a droid once. He was taken from me.

I know what's going to save you. Like I've been there. I've been waiting. I've been left behind.

So I think that's going to play a huge part of it. Trying to unfortunately make an overfill guilty again, which is being his whole life unfortunately. And that's why he's the best. Because he doesn't let that take him to the dark side.

But all day then, I was saying, what does he just use mind control? We saw her use mind control again, Haja. And then she goes, okay, I don't play games, but she resisted mind control. They told us in episode four her resistance to the mind pro is considered or whatever.

So we know she's strong. And then she goes to I used to have a droid once and all that. Taking through this scene as it played out. So I also say like she doesn't notice that Leia's were sensitive.

And that's also like part of the Empire helping competently are like. So do we think she's resisting her because she's very she has a very strong will or because of the force like pushing back with everything we know now is because she's strong with the force. Sometimes she's always been kind of strong will. Yeah, my control is with a weak minded.

Yeah, and for sensitivities, not like yeah, like immediately you're gonna switch and detect it might be imperfect. It's like well later on when she faces, like you're a liar, but I don't know if you're lying or against. Yeah, but that thing was great because I don't know what they were planning to do with little Lola. You're just gonna ram into into whatever.

Oh, yeah, like they're gonna she's gonna crush her again, but she didn't cross low which played then to the end of the episode. Do you think all the at any point that she might break? Yeah, because I thought she was when she started kind of talking a little bit about her past I thought she had her for a second. I if they broke her I would have been a little bit upset because I just I just see like as this like in corruptable person like even as a 10 year old like maybe that's too much to put on a 10 year old but that's how I see like.

I just hear as like the perfect person ever but we're on the same side help me help you the only yourself. But she's so smart and she's like, oh, you're right. Let me tell my father. I love Rella because she went like, oh, I'm just so frustrated by like kids.

She's like, but she's also like impressed. He's like, you're good kid. Yeah. Yeah.

But nor how when then she goes, okay, let's make those tears real take her to interrogation or whatever. Were you at this point, were you kind of concerned for Naya? I mean, I was afraid that they were going to like, don't don't dare touch our baby girl torture her. But one funny thought came into my mind like obviously weeks or later on, Vader facing a river that I was thinking just imagine Darth Vader at this moment of his life.

He finds out at this very point that. Oh, no, making a great point and this connection. I have a lot to elaborate on what she was saying. All right.

She'll be back. Let's say hi to our friend Star Wars. Now they said, oh, how you doing? Hello.

Yeah. And then the rest is agreeing with all the incompetent empire theory, which is funny because they were people online. Yeah. Oh, in a big way.

People complaining online that the empire is incompetent. The story is going to be scary. No, that's the whole point of Star Wars. Oh, they are in protecting secure communication.

That's the point. And they even mentioned that like the whole reason why they don't have security in portrait because they think it will be crazy to go there and they probably are right. But that arrogance is their downfall at the very end. Yeah.

I mean, it's been since 1983. Like Luke says, it's like, oh, you're arrogance is your weakness or something. It's been there all along. I mean, it's since before since two people on a walkie head inside a millennium Falcon and they went with status.

Oh, just flew here. Yeah. Oh, and they have story to promote. I guess they're so much.

Oh, sorry. Just like all right, nor sorry. We have it. Okay.

Yeah. So you cut off right as you were making your points. Can you try to elaborate a little bit? Are you still cutting in and out a little bit?

Yeah, just try to connect again. Sorry. I'll look at the preview. Yeah.

Okay. So while we wait for know how to come back. So, okay, let's jump now because they take a little layer. We'll turn that torture chair.

We're like, no, don't torture it for baby. All right. Okay. Can you hear us now?

No. Yeah. So my point is that can you? Yeah, I can hear you all.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just imagine that.

Yeah, just imagine that. Be their new Leia that the Leia was her his daughter at that point. Riva would be already dead. That was my funny thought at the middle of that scene.

But yeah, I'm glad they didn't torture or little baby. I actually turned out like this question of like, what if he found out like what if. Because for me, it's like more than your daughter that's Pat me his daughter. Like she's like, like she's just like Pat me.

And like, I could just imagine this thing like him just turning to remember just like. Fifteen years from now, he will know, oh, you remember that day back in four, just think of the daughter was there. Oh, and now thinking back, like in return to Jedi when he reads, read Luke's mind and goes like your sister and he's like, wait a minute. Wait, her name is Leia.

No, my. The girl I tortured in New Hope. Yeah. We told me I mean that they were holding my leash.

Yeah. Which again, she doesn't care. She doesn't care about Riva. Like, you know, I can bait us.

We just move the floor with them. Quick, quick point. Like, have you guys read Bloodline? Yes.

So in that book, she talks like years later after everything that where everything comes out about Vader. And she talks about like Luke told her about Anakin and what he was, but she could never forgive him for everything he did for like every time she thought of him. She would think of them all when he tortured her. So like, you know, that book was read of course before this book.

But like now adding all of this into the terror she saw him do like just choking people on the street. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, torture.

The Empire. Not the good guys. No. But okay.

So we get now a group gets into fort I love that because I was thinking that how the Empire, their tool that remain to interfere all over the systems of the Empire, you see all is a fear on. But like we just said, the Empire, the members of the Empire are incompetent. So many ways. And you see how she, that's a weakness because we've seen it on a non-ins You can see how people is driven by fear in the Empire.

Yeah. Yeah. All you need is a little hat, a little markers on your shirt, red and blue on your part of the Empire. That's enough.

But I love our source now saying this. It was a very suspenseful episode. Even that little scene when she's like, Oh, is there any trouble or any issues? And he's, Oh, this isn't your sector.

You got to get out of here. Well, then Tala in the great character that she is. Who are you? I'm your commanding officer.

You're going to address me at Sir. And I'm going to increase it to get out of my face. I just love like the realization her face on her face. He's like, Oh God.

Oh God. Wait a minute. And I love that little checkpoint just me sign. Why is that the red thing just?

Can you go like around it? Everything is always that everyone. So we're just around it. It's like a big haul.

Yeah. I mean, we can see that again. It is a really big place. I didn't see a trench show guy working around, which I love.

And I can people complain. It's stupid Star Wars, right? I love that. Yes.

But then she gets into this communication center. Sorry, I know we again for anyone that played for an order. Same thing that tell the just swimming down there. A bunch of big fish.

Everyone said they're both right when they come out. I mean that that. Come on. Do you think that in Star Wars that fabric is in moisture, resistance or moisture, weekend, whatever they call it?

Anyway, can only get in. And what I love about this show or this episode, again, stupid thing, but just watching Tala talking to Kenobi pretty loudly. And I like nobody's listening. But then she turns and there's a guy looking like, Shwinda, middle of the library or something.

And then similar later when she calls Kenobi back and then the stone to perceive them. Okay, at least it's a little bit of realism there. For people watching for this first time, when we say Star Wars, we're in it with all the love in the world. Oh, yeah.

I say that we are the better, stupid thinking Star Wars are the best. All of us have love Star Wars for many years. Maybe in the oldest, maybe for the longest. But we don't take it too seriously because Star Wars has never been Shakespeare.

So when people talk about writing and all this stuff, just have fun. It's Star Wars. It's experience, it's not Shakespeare. Yeah.

Come on. Whatever. Yeah. Very silly.

Silly Star Wars is the best. What was just leave it there? Yeah. And then it's made out of Goitex.

Ortex there. Yeah. All puffed up. But then we have Kenobi facing, oh, we got a secret droid, which reminded me of the Seven Sister in Rebels has secret droids.

They're smaller. This word a lot bigger, which I love as we mind them, they probe droids. He's hiding and then we get these stone troopers. And he has to use the force again.

I don't know what he called back to a new hope when he makes a little sound and sends these stone troopers on their way. Yeah. At that point, where you kind of, okay, he's getting closer and then lightsaber fight. Yeah.

No. So I was just so focused on the, and actually for center focus on a lot of this, but I just stopped the line of the random stormtrooper. We're losing all day now. No.

Man, I'm next. I'm next. No, don't leave. All right.

Hopefully he'll be back in a few minutes. But no help from this. It was really nice. Yeah.

So then at this point, he kind of goes, oh, so, oh, so he finds that secured area. It's like, oh, I think I found this a cute area. And then it's all these, you know, the Jedi and just people out there that we don't know. Oh, they are you back, otherwise?

Yeah. All right. Anyway, so, nor how he says, I think I found the secured area. Excuse me.

It opens up. And then we have that Jedi's people just being preserved. This is a tomb. Thank you for your service.

There is a new way. You're gonna be missed. I really want like, there's a new way. Yeah.

Yeah. That was like, this is not a fortress. This is a tomb. Oh, and then I think, yeah, we saw the person at the end, the little John Ling is out.

Did you, was there anyone else in there that you recognize or that you were maybe since someone? No, I was, I was wait, every time they kind of lingered on can always face a little bit. And then it turned, I think people throw out different names of who might be there. But I don't think there was anyone else of impotence.

I think they would have mentioned it or something. I mean, it's good to like, it took a maybe think of rebels where they may think that it was a master Luminara. Yeah. I mean, I reminded me of that that, hey, how the empire was kind of keeping this Jedi in some way at a certain extent.

That was creepy. Yeah. When it's pretty my car, if you're killing Cosden, Reva, when she's talking to Leia, I'm gonna do the same thing I do to anyone that opposes the empire or something like that. We're gonna kill you and just keep you here and preserve you.

We're not showing it to anyone. We're just keeping it here for, I don't know, she's a giggles, but yeah, I was pretty creepy. And I don't know if it's gonna come back, but he then, Kenobi then hears Leia screaming, tells Tala to just create a distraction and Reva gets called away. Othi, with this, not always, you know, anything, but the lights go dark, so it's going on.

And then it's blue lightsaber. That was extremely cool. And there's a little like this parallel with the previous episode where the lights are light in the third episode is like blinding. And he's in the dark, but when he turns it off, he can't really see around him.

And in this episode, it's a source of light. In that darkness, I love it. The minute we get this shot of the room with the dark lights, I'm like, oh, it's coming, it's coming. And by the way, this time I moved the lamp for the camera to get the picture, but I forgot to turn on the lights so you can't see my face.

It's a great way to hit that for next episode. But know how you like this scene? Oh, I love it so much because you feel the desperation that poor little Leia eyes about to be turned into a river has to leave, and then everything suddenly goes dark. You see the blue lightsaber.

It's like, wow, this is fantastic. And I love that because how Ben, Obi-Wan is going, like you said, it was a good comparison from the previous episode where we saw that he had to turn out on his lightsaber to like, like, us from Triad of the Force, to defend himself from Vader. But in this case, he's attacking in order to save Leia and rescue her. So it's like he's taking ownership.

Like, yeah, you know what? You're gonna come up and do it. Yeah, I will do what I must. And he had to do a lot because at least for me, that first one, he had to hit him three times to calm down.

It's like, dude, you used to do this in half an ocean. And it took you like... That's a year, it's like a practice. I know, I understand.

But it's again, he's building up to it. He's getting better. Second one, only two blows. So he got better.