S6 Ep21: How Does Blood Work?

Why, hello, friends and enemies. Welcome so much. It's Perhaps It's You, an unofficial, unsolved mysteries rewatch podcast. Now, you may know that I'm Liz, and I usually host this show with this total deadbeat named Samantha, but she couldn't even bother to come in today. She's probably hung over somewhere. Yes, as we know about Samantha. Always out partying. Yep. Bye.

Who knows what gutter she woke up in this morning. Poor Elfie having to hold back her hair with his hooves as she pukes. Yeah, Elfie's a donkey, by the way, if you don't know. We have a friend of the pod, Arden, in the podcasting dining room today. Hello. To fill in for her.

I don't know if that's funny to anyone else, but it's always funny to me to call Samantha a deadbeat. Because she's just like the most on top of everything person. She's just like so practical and reliable. And if there was even a hint of truth to it, it wouldn't be funny. It would be mean. Right. Like if you called me a deadbeat, I'd be like, yeah, that's fine. It's okay. I'll get it together. I understand. But it's just like, Samantha, fucking get your shit together. My God. Yeah. You're 30 now.

Be an adult, Samantha, as she's like getting into bed at 830. Oh, I also wanted to take this moment to clear something up for the five that I'm not actually like a five-year-old child, as is alluded to many times on the podcast when I'm not around to protect myself. I don't think I pretend you're five per se. I remember 2010. I'm not Arden. It's like, wow. Wow. I'm pretty sure I was like working full time in 2010, but okay. Who's to say? This is Arden, adult fill-in podcaster.

Adult woman. If you say so. Yeah. I'll take your word for it. Yeah, again, those are jokes that are funny to no one, except myself. Doesn't want me back, though, for making the quality content that I want to hear. That's all that matters. It really is. If only Samantha could have joined us, that would have been nice. Wow.

I don't know how Alfie does it. Yeah. That poor donkey has to put up with a lot. For a miniature donkey. Yeah. Has a massive, massive load of baggage to deal with. Carry around in a little cart. Oh, that would be so cute though. It would be really cute. You're showing up at the airport with a donkey pulling your luggage in a little cart. Note to Samantha. Yeah. We need a cart. I forgot to make a flower crown in the spring for Alfie to wear and then eat. That's so cute. I know. Next spring equinox. We should have a ceremonial donkey flower extra dance. Can we put up a maple somehow? Yes. We'll make it happen. And dance around it? Yeah. And drink that midsummer.

Hallucinogen dandelion drink or whatever that was? Since I have the witch planner now, I'm actually much better on staying on top of when the equinox is. So I think we can accomplish this. We just had a lovely fall equinox. Yeah. I made a big dinner and I had a bonfire. And I actually remembered it this year. So not just like day of. Like, whoops. Worst witch. Me. That's what I always say. That's why I don't live in the witch district. I'm not allowed. Wow. You have to fill out an application. That's not true. Very welcoming environment. We welcome all. Yes. All right. I have a couple of updates before we get started today.

One is that this podcast somehow was briefly the number two TV and film podcast in Sri Lanka. Ooh. How? Uh-uh. Why? I also don't know. But if you are in Sri Lanka listening to this podcast, goddamn, I would like to hear from you. Perhaps it's youpodcast at gmail.com. Let us know. How did you find this podcast? Did you watch Unsolved Mysteries? It just, it kind of blows my mind that people so far away in a place I've never been to would be sitting around learning about Samantha's doggy alley.

Hearing about the witch district in Minneapolis. Last time I checked, we were down to number 44. But even that. Why? But we were number two. Just accept your success. We were number two. Thank you, Sri Lanka. Yeah. Your fans. Thanks for listening. I don't even know what to say. It's pretty cool. Humbling. Do I think that somehow it's an error? Yes, I do. But it's unchartable. It's a thing everything goes by. And we've been on the air for a while now in Sri Lanka going up and down. I mean, it seems like a...

If it is an error, it's happening a lot. Is it just one person that listens to our show a lot? Well, if that's true. Thank you to them. You're extra appreciated. Yeah. Let us know who you are. Kind listener. Out there somewhere. Over so many oceans. Okay. Update number two.

is that there's a soft deadline for zine submissions, October 15th. So if you're working on something for the next issue of the zine, try to wrap it up, send it in, wrap it to you, podcast, gmail.com. We've had some very good submissions already. I think it's going to be a great issue of the zine, particularly if you like cross-stitch. There will be two cross-stitch patterns. Wow. I know. It's amazing. Fascinating. But if you have any artwork, if you've written anything, we had Rob from Our Strange Skies write a thing about how everybody's sick of hearing about Roswell. That's going to be in there. Our resident history nerd, Rochelle, is writing something. Our resident librarian, Megan, is going to write something.

So I don't know if you have a poem or a paper doll you want to draw up. I'm a deadbeat and did not submit to this one. So you better. Wow. Though Arden did write an entire booklet of cocktail recipes for us. I'd actually not announce this on the podcast. I'll announce it right now. Well, eventually, once I figure out how I want to do the layout and such, to be worthy of this great content.

We all have an entire booklet of podcast-inspired cocktail recipes to be called This Podcast is Dangerous. All the recipes are going to be written by Arden. Well, they're done. I just need to make this stupid book. That's all we're waiting on. So that will be forthcoming in the future.

We'll look forward to that. Various themed. Perhaps it's new themed cocktails, both from references to the show and also the hosts and various banter. You're going to like it. Yeah. Will we have to have a book release party that's just us making cocktails? Also, yes. We should definitely make the Hedgehog Truther. That one looks delightful. Don't you want to drink a cocktail called the Hedgehog Truther, everybody? I know. You can't wait for this book. Who can? Okay. Last update is that for the month of October, we will be having a sale in our tea spring store, which I think is just called Spring now, which is confusing. They took the word tea out of there, but there's a lot of spring.

What? That could be anything. It's a whole season. It could be a thing in my couch. Like, it's too many films. I don't like it. But anyway, that's where we sell our t-shirts and mugs and crap. For the month of October, you can get 10% off code Halloween. Ooh. So if that's a little incentive you need to get a sweatshirt with me and Samantha and Robbie stacking on it, so be it. Yeah. Type that in. Get 10% off. Okay. Those were our updates. Yeah. You know what we should do? Even though Samantha's not here. We should eat chocolates from Lords. Ooh. Hold on.

okay i just thought of this as i was talking but i had ordered some of the lord's chocolates which i thought were also made with miracle water like mints but there's no reference to that i mean i think they kind of like are meant to look like little rocks too and they look like pebbles And there's a picture of, I guess, St. Bernadette on them holding a sheep. Sure. So anyway, we're going to try these chocolates and we're going to see if we get cured of anything. Yeah. I mean, it's worth a shot. This was holy snack time. Yes. I think, as far as I know, the only podcast to have a holy snack time. I mean, it kind of fits in with some of the topics of this episode. So it works out. Yeah. I'm excited about this episode, actually. This one's pretty good. All right. I want to move us away from the so freaking wild. Crunch, crunch, crunch.

This is from directionlords.com. The candy shell is hard. Okay, so this is kind of like a sacred M&M. Confirmed. But more delicious. A little caramely. This one looks like a tiny egg. It really does. They're classy looking. More so out of the bag.

I don't know if these were supposed to be plain chocolate or what, but they taste kind of caramely to me. They're God chocolate. Yeah. I can really taste the God. I like them. They're very sweet though. Yes. Yeah. Even for me, a sweet tooth, I can really feel that sugar impact. Yes. Especially the shell. Like, whoa. Did Bernadette, St. Bernadette really like sugar? Is that what we were learning? Maybe. Okay. I'm honestly going to wash that down with some fucking root beer. Yes. I don't think my dentist listens to this podcast, so it's okay. All right. I don't feel cured.

But any craving for sweetness that I had, that was cured. Yeah, that, I mean. Is that a miracle? Kind of. Well, we have some dubious miracles to talk about today. That's true. Okay, so we are on season six, episode 21. Season six just keeps going and going. Yeah.

doing this for like the whole year because we've had so many breaks there's been a lot of stops i know i was gonna say how long is this season this is not even the last episode i checked no okay so i'm starting off today with the unexplained which like any good episode of unsolved mystery starts with robert stack in a trench coat in a graveyard i've got to say a classic stack god damn do i love it so much they could have really piped in some like purple fog it's the only thing that made it better But, uh, that's how you start an episode. And he wants to talk about what happens beyond the grave when life is over. And I'm like, damn, Stack, that's what I want to talk about all the time, too. Stack, keeping it real for spooky season. Yeah. And he wants us to know that research found that seven out of ten widows and widowers report that their spouse has come to visit them after death. I wanted to know how they're collecting that data. Does the Pew Research Group call me like, hi, are you a widow? Hi, do you believe in contact from beyond the grave? So, uh, I heard your spouse is dead. Have you heard from him it goes for? How did that conversation start? Because I feel like that might be a little rude, perhaps, but... I...

Honestly, I'm very interested in this topic. So I'm glad I got this one. Suck it, Samantha. So Robert Stack asks, is this a hallucination? Or does the bond of matrimony transcend the grave? That's what this is about. So we've got two ghosty stories for this unexplained segment. The first one is back in January 28th, 1989. John and Patty Eggleston and their two sons.

are traveling home after a lovely picturesque day of skiing. And they had 70 miles to drive back to their home outside of Seattle from skiing wherever they were. They're driving at night. And unfortunately, I'm assuming they hit some black ice or something. The car slides off of the road and they're on a bridge. So they veer off the bridge, dropping 80 feet. Such a nightmare. Literally, I have had nightmares about this. It's an actual living nightmare. They drop 80 feet into a freezing ice-cold river below.

So in the absolute pitch dark, with the car rapidly filling with icy water, Patty was badly injured. But instead of panicking, she felt this like wave of calm. I definitely think she went into shock. I don't know how that wasn't brought up on there. No. She feels a wave of calm and the intense feeling of pure love. And from this, she is able to rescue her children and get them to safety. Which is heroic and amazing just in and of itself. Yes. Okay. So the theory put forth by Unsolved Mysteries and not Arden.

is that she didn't realize that her husband immediately died on impact of the car. And so what Patty believes happened is that... It's fine. It's that her husband, John, so he dies on impact. She feels that his spirit guided her to safety and to save their sons. Which is lovely. Which is lovely. I mean, who's to say what's true? Who's to say? Who's to say? They were also aided by a brave passerby who dove into the river to help. I feel like that person should have been talked to or something. Made into a statue, perhaps? Yeah, given some medals. Like in the middle of the night, you dive into ice-cold black water to save strangers. That is so heroic. Yeah, but that's just like a passing mention. Oh, there was also that guy, but mostly the ghost. Mostly the ghost, but the true hero.

The actual sculpture they put in the square is just like a cartoon ghost. Okay, but that would be great, though. I would please do that. I would go to the town. So we can go take pictures with this ghost statue. So later, after Patty's home from the hospital, she sensed John's spirits again. She was woken up from a sound sleep to the feeling that John had just been there. And she describes it as if she could feel and smell him as if he had just been in the bed. Which I know what she's talking about. Yes. And honestly, that's a little bit creepy.

those smells yeah that's it's like she rolled over and like her it was like her husband just like got enough to go to the bathroom or something like he was right there especially when you sleep in the same bed as someone all the time like you even if they're not moving like you can just like feel that they're there yeah yeah Okay, so that was one instance. Eventually, her story gets back to Seattle physician Melvin Morse, who has documented hundreds of after-death visits. So he's been researching these experiences, and he believes that they are real, and he bases this on the fact that they have an actual impact on patients' grieving process, and that they have these extreme emotional reactions to them. So he cites that as proof.

That they're as real as, quote, as any other human experience. I wrote that down too. I thought that that was really well put. The experience is at least as real as any other experience. And I'm like, that is true. If it's having a real impact on you, who is to say that's not a real experience? And I feel like this is really, I actually had a very similar, like a very similar experience to some of the stuff that Patty describes. And it is really common. Like so many people specifically, like the skeptical answer is that you're dreaming, right? But specifically when you're not quite asleep yet is when most people say that this happens. And I had a very similar experience with my grandmother.

that it was like it was like she was sitting right next to me yeah like it wasn't a dream it wasn't like fantastic or weird it was just like she was like on the edge of the bed just talking to me normally like as clear as i hear liz right now how old were you when that happened um uh like late teens okay yeah so i wasn't like i wasn't a little kid either like yeah because actually i think i've talked about this on the podcast before but i've had a very similar experience with my grandmother but i was probably nine yeah so it's um Like, my mom has told me about it and how, like, I was, like, elated that this had happened. But I don't really remember it that well myself. And it's always that tricky thing of, like, every time you rethink about a memory, it changes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Also, so I once talked to someone that worked at a hospice. And she said that's super common, that people have these. And it's often someone sitting on the bed, that someone who's just passed away is sitting on the bed. And you're able to, like, communicate with them and that you feel this sort of relief afterwards. And I was kind of like, oh, well, I guess, you know, I must have just dreamt it or whatever. And it's this process of grieving. But I sort of look at it now, like, maybe those are the.

maybe people are describing the same thing like that's just different different language to explain the same sort of experience and whether you're saying like this guy isn't necessarily arguing that ghosts are real no he's arguing the the experience what people are experiencing is real yes and that that's the important part i do think ghosts are real i don't necessarily think that this is at least always ghosts i think both can be true yeah i don't see i don't think i feel like some people are are just very strong like one way or another either everything is ghosts or nothing is ghosts i don't see why there can't be a combination of like yeah there might be ghosts but not every experience is necessarily ghosts you know i started off this podcast i think saying i was agnostic about ghosts And just, you know, open to the idea, but not. I do not believe those children were saved by a ghost. I do believe I have literally seen ghosts. I can feel both ways. Yeah. This podcast has definitely made me more open-minded as we go on. Whereas I'm just like, sure, why not? Who knows? Yeah. Who knows the mysteries of life? So this goes on where Patty is at one point reading on the couch and she just looks up and sees John. He's just sitting there. Yeah. Apparently it progresses, which I thought was interesting. Yeah. And he isn't, he doesn't talk, but he's able to communicate with her kind of like telepathy. And he's like, oh, it seems like our son so-and-so is doing so much better. And she's like, yeah, me too.

have a conversation about child rearing yeah and um and he's like consoling her and encouraging her that she'll be able to parent on her own because she's so scared about doing it herself and that this apparently goes on for more than a year that you can see him and she says that once she was kind of like in a good place and felt more secure that then it stopped which i think is really interesting it's super fascinating that either like he is staying on this earthly realm for a year to like make sure she's able to continue without him it's unfinished business or it's like her grieving process takes about a year before she's in a like really solid place yeah or it's something kind of in the middle i was gonna say i feel like both both could be true okay so um so that's the first mystery of the segment and then robert stack tells us that 50 of the population has been visited by a deceased loved one Including me and Arden. Yes. So there. Okay. So the next story is about- 100% of this dining room has been visited by a deceased loved one. If Mac was in here, he'd be like, no. So, you know, there's- That's why he's been banished. Exactly. That's why he's not here. So now we're going to talk about the story about Paige Rourke, which is really sad. So this is on April 14th, 1984. Teenage Paige left her home in Falberg, California to go out with her friends. Six hours later, she was dead. Her and one of her friends were killed when they were hit by another vehicle that was being driven by a drunk driver. Please do not drink and drive. Wisconsin.

Okay, hear me. So the ghost part of the story is that her mother, Cynthia, was trying to escape her grief by running. They said, but it's only two days after the crash that this happened. It's not like... I guess you just have to like...

I can't understand running to process. It's 5 in the morning. Oh, God. But I do understand. Like, I just have to do something that I'm not focused on. Yeah. Yeah. So it's two days after the crash. She left her home at 5 in the morning to go running. Apparently, this is something that she used to do with Paige. And so she runs for more than an hour, something I have never done in my entire life. Is that humanly possible? Don't think so. Sounds fake. But OK. It's a form of torture. The ghost are real. The running for an hour fake. Today, Mac was asking me some question about insurance. And I was like, I don't know. You could just call and ask. And he was like, Liz, that's the worst possible answer. Why don't I go tell you to go run a mile? And I was like, OK. Well, that's not going to solve that problem, is it? OK.

Why don't you go jump into a pit of snakes, Mac? Seems unrelated, Mac. Why don't I go take a seventh grade math test? I'll walk a mile at a leisurely pace. No one is chasing me. No. And you know what? Even if they do, I'm just going to lie down. Humans are persistence predators. We were not meant to run.

Thank you. Okay, so this woman, probably not human, runs for more than a mile. At one point, the sun is coming through. She's been out before sunrise. So the sun is now coming through the trees and it looks really pretty. And she stops to look at it. And then she hears her daughter's voice reassuring her that she is okay. I thought this one was interesting that she was outside and fully awake, which kind of makes this experience different from the ones we were previously talking about, which I feel like in bed is much more common to hear about this. Also, this one has a more specifically religious connotation because she's like, Mom, I'm with the Lord now.

Like, that's part of the reason that she's okay. And I'd be like, well, you also, like, didn't get to live your life because you died as a teenager, but have fun with the Lord. I'm glad she got some solace. They show the photo of the car crash in the episode, and it is rough. I was like, oh, I did not consent to see that mangled car even. Like, that's not great. As it turns out, either because ghosts are real or by extreme coincidence, Cynthia's mother, Paige's grandmother, who lives a thousand miles away in Denver, had an even more visiting experience at the same time.

So, Paige's grandmother is in bed when she wakes up to see Paige, like, floating and glowing like an angel according to the reenactment. We don't really get a description of what it looks like, so we just have to go off that. Yeah. It just looks like a teenage girl standing there with beams of light shining out of her. Well, it's like all those, like, religious paintings where Jesus is kind of just, like, hanging out floating in the sky. Yeah. It looks a lot like that. Yeah, but it's like, if you sit up in bed and you're like, what? My dead loved one. And then your dead loved one is just, like, kind of floating in the hall with light shining out of them. It's cool, Grandma. Yeah. Everything's okay. I'm okay. And also, I'm taking care of your mom, my great-grandma now. We hang out in heaven.

And grandma's just like, all right, I guess. Yeah. I mean, it brought her some relief. I'm happy this family was able to find some solace, I guess. After such a fucking horrible thing. I do.

There is a skeptical part of me that thinks that, like, maybe both of these experiences happened and then their brains kind of, like, mushed it into one, like, more concise incident. Yeah. Also, it's just so common that, like, yeah, these happen at the same time. It's two days after this girl died. Yeah, you probably haven't been sleeping well either. Your brain is scrambling to, like, survive this terrible loss. Well, now we hear from a guy, I think he was a psychologist, I don't even know, this guy Barry Burstein.

He had a mustache that I called the wet blanket. He's just there to go, ghosts aren't real. That's his only purpose. Okay, Berenstain Bears. Rude. Yeah, he just shows up and he's like, look, I feel bad for these people. And they clearly thought they experienced something. They're not lying, but ghosts aren't real. And that's why he's the wet blanket. Yeah. And he just has a pretty big mustache for his face. There's a lot of mustaches in this episode, but no, like, good mustaches. No, they're there, but they're not. But should they be? They're not really noteworthy. Okay. Oh, yeah. So he was a psychologist. He doesn't think these are real experiences, blah, blah, blah.

He thinks that nothing has happened outside the theater of their own mind, which almost isn't different than what the other guy is saying. No. It's kind of just a spin you put on it. Yeah. Yeah. Again, I don't think that needs to be necessarily...

different you know I think this guy is just kind of a party pooper but they wanted to have like the believer and the skeptic but I almost sort of feel like they're saying the same thing yeah it's just one of them is like this is worth studying and the other guy's like it's kind of not yeah especially like the believer isn't someone coming at you with like I don't know like Chris like from their crystal shop like no this is all real like he seems very even keeled and like reasonable and like we should look at this as potentially just a mental phenomenon or it could be ghosts let's figure it out like he's not right yeah I thought that the skeptic was not really necessary for this episode. I would be kind of interested in that guy's research because, yeah, like... He seems cool. Even if there are no ghosts, these incidents seem to really help people with their grieving process. So there's something there worth studying, surely. Yeah. And, I don't know, we don't get to judge these people's experiences.

Right? They had them. Yeah. I agree with this. It's real to them. They're not lying. Yeah. And I wasn't there. So who knows? Robert Stack says, perhaps we will never know the answer. Perhaps it does not matter. And I have to say. Agree. And then he quotes Albert Einstein. And I don't know if this is a real quote or one of those things. But it is cool. People just attribute to Einstein. But he said, perhaps the greatest experience we can have is the mysterious. I was like, it's amazing that's not the catchphrase for the whole show. Seems very on the nose. Which I was like, well, I'm going to have to put that on some t-shirts. Right? Yeah. It has perhaps in it and everything. I thought that second was great.

Yeah. And I have to say, we don't know. It probably doesn't really matter. They were cool ghost stories. Yes. All right. Now Arden is going to talk about another unexplained. Yes. Yeah. I feel like Hidden Heart. And there's some some kind of beyond the grave elements to this one, too, a little less classically. But it is interesting. So it opens in 1957 to people gathering for this huge funeral at a cathedral. And it turns out a priest has died. But instead of being they talk about like instead of being like a cardinal or someone with like a lot of clout, it was just a humble priest, Father Solanus.

who was we find out was a priest started from pretty like humble beginnings but really spoke to people and there's a question of was he giving them courage or was he maybe a faith healer or like actually you know healing power yeah so it goes i have some of my own opinions on that but you know he at the very least seems like a very nice man he was At least a good listener. Yes. Which is hard to find. Which is a power in and of itself. And if he could also cure people, that's pretty cool. Yeah. So I was a little confused at first because we're like, okay, 1957, he's dead. And it's like, now skip forward to the 80s. And he healed someone. I was like, wait, what? Yeah. It's a little indirect, but we get to David Whitcock, who has a, I wrote, has a mustache that I hate. Thank you. Yeah. See the scribble? Yes. It's very accurate. Very accurate. It says gray, bristly, David. This mustache is called prayer guy, apparently. Wow. It's amazing.

I know, I'm just, the words just flow out. The muses visit me. This is an artist, everyone. Prayer guy. It did look very...

very prickly like very well i would not kiss that mouth i can't say it's unkempt clearly like but the hair is okay it's the hair is too thick for that length and it creates almost like a shelf of mustache like you know like a push broom yeah it's gonna bump up on your face if you kiss that mouth well if you had any crumbs like maybe you had a snack and then went to kiss your husband like maybe you could just like brush them off you it's like in you probably never saw this movie the brave little toaster but i did again adult woman Yes, I did because I was alive. It's kind of a crap movie. But, you know, all the kitchen things are alive. And I think there was like a dustpan broom. Yeah, he lives on that guy's mouth. Yes.

Anyway, yeah, so we agree the mustache is terrible. Yeah, terrible. For the prayer guy. But, so his wife found out that she either had breast cancer or at least there was a lump that was undetermined. So they were going to go into surgery to do a biopsy on it and make sure that they either could get it out immediately or determine if it was cancer. I just want to note that it was not determined. It's not like she had cancer for sure. Yeah, they didn't even know. They did not know yet. I think that's important to the story and they kind of gloss over that. Because it takes out the miracle part. If you go, this is a blur on an 80s x-ray. And then they...

So they're at the hospital. They're preparing her for surgery. And they see a painting of Father Solanus in the hospital. There's like a little chapel for people to go in and pray. And for whatever reason, that hospital was like, Jesus, who cares? Father Solanus is where it's at. I wanted to mention that also. It seemed very centered, but the doors were open. It was like a shrine to him, which I'm like, there's nothing wrong with that. It's just...

odd in my opinion. I'm sure there's some artistic liberty taken with this hospital setup. But also, the funny thing to me is that it's not like they were going to the little... like hospital chapel to pray. They were just like walking down the hall and glanced in. They're like, let's just do a quick road stop to pray. We're here. You're having surgery. Let's get a few prayers. You know what? It can't hurt. And that's totally fair. But it was just funny to me. It was like, since we're swinging by. It's like how you would walk past a drinking fountain and go like, oh, I could use some water. Or like you buy a Snickers at checkout sort of vibe. What if I was like, oh, you never look behind this door and I open it up and there's just a shrine to Father's Lawn right here. You're like, I never knew that was part of your house, Liz. Yeah. I hope it would be one of those like paint with gems pictures of Father's Lawn.

on us if we could if first that existed uh i think we found this winter project for this year but uh so what if this podcast somehow gets me like into church really catholic all of a sudden yeah i've gotta say it's been a slippery slope so far there's some lord's water right above we have lord's chocolate lord's m&ms I think somewhere I have a picture of St. Bernadette now. Cool. I mean, again, it can't hurt. But he sends a prayer to Father Solanus, which, again, I'm not Catholic. I get that there's different saints that you pray to as well as, like, Jesus. But it just seems very specific to me. But, again, whatever. Hey, Father Solanus, can you do me a solid? Can you have a hospital chapel devoted to you or something? You must be pretty cool, which is fine. But, like, he prayed specifically that she wouldn't have to have surgery. Which, okay, yeah, you're scared for your spouse. It makes sense. And then.

like 15 minutes later she's like wheeled back out and he was like oh god are you going into like surgery they want me to say goodbye or whatever they're like oh no she's good to go there's no cancer we were wrong that was a thumbprint right like i was and my house was like oh she didn't have cancer um i feel like i'm obviously happy for her but for the miracle scale a little low on that yeah i think they just wanted to talk about father solanus and this is someone they found they could talk to I feel like it's interesting that they went with this one first because there is a second thing they mentioned that's much more direct. Yeah, but those people are not with us. Yeah, maybe. I think they wanted some living people to talk to. Even if their story was my doctor made a smudge on an x-ray. And then we prayed. And then we prayed and then she was fine. It was fine. Which, again, I'm very happy for her and her broom husband. I hope they're doing well. I hope he doesn't have that mustache anymore. I hope that. Yeah. And then we get some background. For the sake of her lip. Ow. Yeah, so prickly. Maybe she has a guard that she wears.

Like a wax strip, but. She puts on those wax lips. Yeah. That's how they kiss. Yeah, that's hot. Maybe that's their cankles. Don't kink shame. Don't kink shame these. I don't mean to yuck their yum. Very religious people without cancer. Yeah, you're right. And their wax lip. And their wax lip fetish.

Which, I don't know if that's a thing, but now that I've said it, someone's into it. Someone's like, this has awakened me. Someone is into that. I think those things taste bad, but... I was always confused on how those are supposed to be candy. It's gross. Who is wax? It's not even edible. I don't know. The past was weird. People were desperate. Speaking of the past and people being desperate. So we get some background on Father Solanus. He was born...

I think it was, like, in the 1870s, they said. Sure. One of 16 children in Milwaukee. My poor uterus. I know. I think all to the same parents, too, and I was like, dear Lord. Maybe there was some godly intervention, just being okay after that.

Yeah, really. He can't hear people like his own mom. Yeah, it sounds like his family was pretty, pretty religious. And they're in Milwaukee. They're German Catholic. That's all like very standard to that area. It sounds so he went in. He didn't finish high school, but he went into seminary, which, again, especially at the time was really not uncommon, but is still done, actually.

And it sounds like he may have had some form of learning disability. It sounds like maybe ADHD or dyslexia or some combo. It sounds like it was very hard for him to focus or remember information. So, like, he was very, like, highest, but he wasn't doing well with the actual, like, schoolwork part of seminary. So then – Which you kind of need to be able to, like, recite scriptures and stuff. Sort of a – I don't know. So he leaves seminary school and joins – and, like, goes to, like, a monastery of some sort and to, like, continue working on it. And it sounds like they could tell that he was very into it.

but not just great at this art, which I think is fair. It's clear that he's trying really hard. He's devout. We're not all good at school. That's also fair. So he was ordained, but he was ordained kind of like a...

Like a baby steps version. He wasn't allowed to take confession or to preach. I found it weird that he wasn't allowed to take confession. Isn't that mostly just listening? Yeah, and he was great at that. So that was weird to me. He wasn't allowed to do the important priest stuff. All I could think of is Star Wars for this. I was like, we're going to make you a member of the council, but we do not grant you the title of master. Priest Anakin. Anyway.

But he seemed fine. He was very humble. Yeah. People said that this was kind of, a lot of people would take it as an insult, but he didn't. He was just grateful that he was able to be ordained. And even though he wasn't allowed to take confession, people really liked him and would go to him for advice, even though it wasn't in that setup. He did a lot of just one-on-one talking. People would just come to the church, and he would be there as a greeter or whatever, but then people would want to talk to him. Yes. So it does sound like he was just a really good listener, and that can be so important. Yeah, it's really valuable. Especially when you don't necessarily have someone else doing that for you in your life. So that's great. And then it goes into another family story.

This was in the 40s, I believe. Yeah. And there was a polio outbreak, which it happened and it was terrible. And vaccinate yourself and your children for the love of God. I don't know.

I've never had polio, so I feel like we don't need... This family seems pretty blase about their child that almost died of polio, too. I shouldn't even joke about that. So we get to this little boy, I think he's like seven, and their family doctor's like, yeah, you need to get him to a hospital. He's probably going to die tonight of polio. His whole body is shaking. Yeah, it was really bad. But the dad was apparently like, eh. We'll leave him home and pray on it. I'm like, okay, so you invited the doctor over, but I was just like, hmm, what does he know? That makes sense. So he went to the church and asked Father Solanus to pray for him.

I put, wouldn't be my call. I'm not even sure he went. I sort of think a friend of the family went. I thought it was him, but I could be wrong. My recollection of the dad was like, whatever. It's fine. We have too many kids. And then someone else was like, please, Father Solanus, pay for this little boy. His father won't bring him to the hospital. I don't know. Our health care system is terrible. So this. Yeah. I mean, what has changed? Coming attractions. But apparently he.

He prayed. He was like, don't worry. It will be fine by tomorrow. Which I'm like, that's a very specific promise. I sort of feel like he would not have said it. And he's no longer around to dispute this. So it seems like a very specific deadline. Like, I don't even usually give my boss. It'll be done by tomorrow because then there's expectations. You say, I'm working on it right now. Yes.

That thing that you just asked about? Oh, I'm totally working on it. I'm actually waiting to hear back from someone else. The ball is in their court, but I am working on it, yes. But sure enough, the kid just walks down these great stairs. What a beautiful mansion these careless parents look in. They save a lot of money not going to the hospital for their kids. That's why they have that mansion. They have all that great woodwork. I also noted that the mom is wearing this vintage dressing gown robe. It's beautiful, and I want it. She doesn't deserve it. Yeah, especially because you're like, oh, my kid's dying upstairs? Better luxuriate.

Give me another dry martini. That sounds pretty great, though. But yeah, the little boy just walks right down the stairs. He's like, oh, hey, guys. I'm good. How's it going? They're like, we thought you were basically dead. I was building you a coffin. Right now, yeah. But he was fine and apparently lived into his 60s and had no further health consequences from this, too. Which also, if you don't know, polio was super deadly in children. But a lot more kids were disabled for life or just in very poor health the rest of their life as a consequence of polio. So thank you, polio vaccine. Yes. That was invented and given out for free. And people really appreciated it.

Big fan. Yeah. Big fan. So, and then we go into, so Father Solana himself got super sick at the end of his life. They said he looked like a lobster, which seemed mean. I was like, leave this old, pious man alone. They did say that. Yeah, they were like. He got really red for some reason. He has some sort of skin condition. Yeah. He looked like a lobster. Rude. Rude. I don't think God would want you to be so rude. Yeah. Other priest, but okay. To this person you're praising so much, it just, it was funny. He was like a holy lobster. Right. And then he, yes, he did pass away in 1957. There was huge.

Huge funeral for him. So many people came to pay their respects and pretty much immediately they tried to get him canonized, which is actually, I looked it up. He is not a saint, but it is still being decided on. I think he should be. It's a very long process. He would be the first male saint born in America if he is granted sainthood. It's just a really big, especially we used to canonize a lot of people. They kind of stopped doing that. So it's very difficult for people, you know, the last couple hundred years even to be sainted. But I think actually only a few years ago, apparently he passed like one of the last steps.

I saw. But they also, so this part I didn't know about being canonized. So they exhumed his body like 10 years, I think they said after his death, to see like what the corpse was up to. Because apparently that's part of being a saint. I didn't know about this part. And that's real weird to me. But why is that like the only part I knew?

That makes perfect sense to me somehow. If your body isn't decomposing as expected, that's believed to be a sign of something. How do lobsters decompose, though? In my belly. So apparently, even though he was so lobstery in life, he looked fine as a corpse. He was decomposing, but apparently he looked not bad. He wasn't decomposing that fast or something? Yeah, that seems rude to me, but you do you. And yeah, there's still a lot of talk of making him a saint. He seems like he was a very nice man.

don't see why not canonize him he was popular enough to get this segment on unsolved mysteries i feel like that's enough have a chapel in a hospital for him yeah i feel like he's already effectively a saint at that point so you might as it's weird he did that before he was a saint right right that that part i was like oh maybe he did become a saint and that's why no no they're just really they're just like his fan club all right yeah samantha's not here but we're doing lost loves i was jealous of this one this is a good one okay So we go back to May 1988, Plant City, Florida. A nurse named Kathleen Belcher got an urgent call from her mother that Kathleen's stepfather was about to have surgery and needed several pints of blood. And they were seeing if he could get it from Kathleen and her sister. So during this discussion of blood types and who had what type of blood, it became clear that Kathleen did not share the same type of blood as her mother or the man she believed to be her biological father, her deceased dad. Her mom was real suspicious on this call. Yeah.

I don't know. I don't know how blood works. I need to go. Bye. What are you, a cop? She was like, oh, mom, I thought you had the same blood type as me. And I don't remember what it was, like A or whatever. And she was like, oh, no, I have this type of blood type. And then she was like, oh, well, it must have been dad who had it. But dad was like, oh. And Kathleen's mom should have stopped talking. Like, oh, yeah, it was. Goodbye. Goodbye. You'll never know what he said. But she was like, no, no, he had O. And she's like, well, that's the same blood type as one of you. And she was just like, I don't know about these things. And they're the devil's work. And she had to go. She got real defensive really fast. She got very defensive and hung up. And Kathleen was like, oh, I guess my dad is not really my dad.

It's like something is amissier. Yeah. So this had been accidentally revealed to her that the man she believed to be her biological father actually wasn't, and that her mother, Marion, had kept the secret for nearly 40 years before accidentally spilling the beans. And being real sus about it. Yeah. We find out that at the end of World War II, she had made an agonizing decision. So Bud Terry was the man that Kathleen had known as her father growing up.

He had married her mother before the war. But apparently, after coming back from service, like so many people, it really was not the same. And she said that he was a really great guy when they got married. But by the time she got back, he got back. Not so much. So one of the issues was that he had a very serious gambling problem. So in 1945, they gave birth to Kathleen's older sister. In 1984, Bud re-enlisted in the military, hoping that the discipline would sort of straighten him out. Did you just say 1984? Oh, I might have. Yeah, in 1984, he re-enlisted. Otherwise known as 1948. Okay, so he's like...

Look, I can't stop gambling all of our money away. Maybe if I go to the military, that'll straighten me out. But I don't think that works, like, ever. Well, it didn't work this time. Because he, like, immediately goes AWOL. And no one knows where he is. He straight up just disappeared. For months. And after a couple months, this guy's parents supposedly encouraged Kathleen's mom Miriam to start dating again. Because they knew their deadbeat son was not coming back. So funny. I was like, wait, his parents? Wow. Maybe he always sucked and they knew about that.

Or maybe they saw him come back from the war and they were like, this guy is no longer a catch. Or maybe she's just lying. I don't know. So supposedly, here's Kathleen's mom. She has a young kid. Her husband, who's gambled away all of their money, has now just like straight up taken off and nobody knows where he is. As of the 40s and being a single mom was still not great, but was extra not great at the time. So after a couple of months, his parents were like, honey, it's really time to get back out there. Like, put on your best bra. Right. So they wanted her to meet.

The bartender at, like, their country club or something, this guy named Chet. And I'm going to want to say Chuck because his last name is Norris. But it's Chet Norris, not Chuck Norris. Okay. So they become fast friends. And she actually is so smitten with him that she wanted to officially divorce Bud and marry Chet. Their friendship quickly blossomed. Is that what we're calling it these days? Yes. All right. So they start thinking about a future together. He's going to, like, help raise the kid. He, I think, stops being a bartender and gets a, like, more practical family man job. Yeah. He seemed really nice. We hear nothing negative about Chet.

However, about six months into this relationship, Bud is arrested by military authorities. And it turned out he'd just been straight up living with another woman in Indianapolis. Super chill. Thanks for nothing, Bud. So Miriam is completely uninterested in going back to Bud. And she sort of correlates this with she was like, look, I let down my guard or something and I got pregnant. I wrote this down because this was such a great quote. She said, I guess I lost my cool and got pregnant. I'm like, I don't think that's how it works.

Look, sex education really could be improved in this country. I get that. I feel like she's a little embarrassed by this. She's on national TV. I get it. But just like the way she phrases, some of these things are hilarious to me. What's blood? I lost my cool and got pregnant. Our friendship just blossomed. What are you? Why are you grilling me? You came on the show to talk about this lady. But no, I lost my cool and got pregnant is so funny to me. Well, it happens, you know? And there was no point in B. So she ends up pregnant with Chet's baby.

Which, and I also think part of the complication here is that at least according to the reenactment, Chet didn't think he could have kids. Yeah, possibly because of polio. So I don't know that they were being like super careful. Right. Because he didn't think he was going to be knocking anybody up. Yeah. So then she is like, look, Chet, I got something to tell you. I don't know that it's good news, but I'm pregnant. He's like, what? I can't have kids. She's like, I don't know what to tell you. I lost my cool. Well, whether or not you can have kids, I'm having your baby. And Chet apparently was like, great.

Let's get married. I wanted to marry you anyway. Let's go get married right now. And she's like, well, okay, I'm still technically married to this total deadbeat bud. And he was like, whatever, divorce him. How hard can that be? Right. Which I feel like actually hard because it's the 40s, even though he's like walked off and been with some other woman. I feel like, I feel like, you know, Chad is just, he's been wanting to marry her anyway.

He's been, like, basically already being a stepdad to her, like, existing daughter. And now she's pregnant with his biological child. He's like, no, we just need to get this done. Right. You know, like, and I think, too, in his mind, you know, he's clearly been terrible. It shouldn't be necessarily as hard. And it shouldn't be. No. But, you know. So Miriam goes to see Bud in jail specifically to ask for a divorce. But he won't go for it. And he's kind of like, look, I know I've been bad, but you have to take me back. He threatens her, effectively. To, like, keep their...

older daughter right she gets concerned about custody of her older daughter if she does go forward with divorcing bud and we see this bad reenactment of her telling bud like look you know i don't think she wanted to tell him this but i'm actually pregnant with this other man's baby so you should just divorce me let me marry him and you know i'll go off and have a baby right it doesn't seem like he wanted to be part of this family anyway yeah you're a deadbeat let me be with someone that's actually going to be like a family with me so we get to see bud turn around and like punch the wall but no he was supposed to be like bashing his head into the wall Is how she described it as like, wow, I'm really, I'm sure that really helped your issues. You're like, this man is definitely a great father. I can't wait to keep him around. Okay. So Miriam has to go tell Chet that she's actually going to stay with Bud. So to make things a little bit easier on him, she lies and she says she was wrong and she's not actually pregnant. However, Chet is, you know, obviously not thrilled. He thought he was going to be spending the rest of his life with Miriam and his now daughters. It's so unfortunate. And I think they really were in love. I don't know. So anyway, she tells him that she's going back to Bud and Chet, the last thing that Chet ever says to her is that she's going to have a life of misery.

just you wait and see which is which is rough but also like that would be really hard like you go from like oh i have a fiancee had a baby on the way to like she's leaving me for her terrible not even ex-husband i guess but yeah the guy who left her for some other woman and is always handling all their money whose family showed up and was like you this is a lost cause his own parents were like you should see this bartender chat So, okay, that's literally the last. I wonder if that made for some really awkward Christmases. Oh. With your in-laws who, like, set you up while their son was. I'm guessing that never came up. I really hope so. I bet he never asked how she met Chet and the parents just declined. That's a really good point. I just thought about that. I'm like, hey, honey, you know how you just AWOL'd and we didn't think you were ever coming back? We definitely told your wife to meet this bartender. Oh, my God. So funny. Hilarious. Who looks a lot like your daughter.

Come to think of it. Yeah, come to think of it. Does anyone in your family have a nose or ears like that? What's her blood type? So, okay. So Kathleen was born. Bud did stick to his word and he raised her as her own. She said he was a good dad and she never had like a little deep feeling that she didn't belong. He didn't like favorite her sister over her. I think he did try. However, he continued to struggle with gambling. It seems like there's a lot of financial strains on the family. And in 1969, they did finally divorce. Miriam remarried in 74 and it was around the time that Bud committed suicide. It sounds like he had...

A lot of demons and issues and just was not getting the help that he needed. It is really sad at the end of the day. It sounds like he was maybe not the best husband, but it doesn't also sound like that was entirely his fault. No, I think he clearly didn't get the help that he needed. I mean, did anyone. Yeah. And I also feel like, you know, at some period of time he was a good guy and Miriam loved that guy. And it sounds like he was a pretty good dad even still. So it seems like he was trying. It just didn't really work.

Anyway, after he died, Miriam was like, aha, my secret is safe forever. No one will ever know that my daughter has a different type of blood. Blood knows about blood. Blood, the ultimate mystery. But no, she accidentally revealed it during the phone call. Super suspiciously. Yeah. So Kathleen spends, at the time the segment was made, six years searching for Chet. But guess what? No Chet. He literally just vanishes. I don't understand. We have a photo of him. We know where he works. Is that his real name? Like, that's the only thing. Chet kind of doesn't sound like a name. It does sound fake in general. Is that even short for something? Chester? I'm going to look that up. Chesterfield Couch? I'm going to look that up. That's a great question. Because what kind of name is Chet? Chet. It's like when I figured out that Peggy was short for Margaret. And I was like, excuse me? But then I was like, what did I think it was short for? Pegasus?

like i guess that's short for charles huh that's even but it can't but also people are just named chat yeah i guess english origin meaning fortress or walled town Okay, who wouldn't want to name their kid after a walled town? I think I'm going to just name a kid Fortress. Fortress? Skip the middleman. I mean, if you're going to name a kid Arson, might as well name a kid Fortress. Oh, God, Arson. So there is no update. Yeah, which is sad. I was really excited. I was like, this is going to be so cute, and then it wasn't. I mean, at least she was longing for this idea that she would look at Chet and see this family resemblance, but she did have a good dad. Yeah, she was like, there's nothing really missing in my life. I never had an inkling. Although she did say that now that I think about it, I don't really look like any of our family, and now that makes sense. Right. She seems pretty chill.

about this, I guess. Yeah, I can understand why she would want to know them, particularly since her mother loved him so much. Yeah. But it wasn't meant to be, I guess. No one knows about blood. Goodbye. I don't want to talk about this anymore. Okay, so we are still recording. So now you can talk about...

Your fourth real downer of a wanted mystery. I was almost hoping that we just wouldn't have to talk about this somehow. I'm going to put my notebook way over here because I feel like it somehow hit stop before. Okay, yeah. So we are going to talk about the Interstate 70 killer. Oh, yeah, because I had said, what if they just hadn't built that interstate? This could have all been avoided. Yes, that's the reason why. Cursed interstate. That's how these things work. That would be way more fun. Could you imagine if we were just talking about a haunted interstate right now? Can I make up a different segment that sounds better? No, we can't. That would be rude to these murder victims.

That died the most senseless deaths imaginable. So we open up to Robert's deck just like in a police station. He just broke in. I think he's probably trying to find his own parking tickets and throw them away. That checks out. Do they give tickets to yachts? I have some yachting tickets. They must do something if you like go to a harbor. You don't have a... The Coast Guard ticket you? What's the thing called? Your docks slip. We're clearly not rich enough. He goes to the thing and he hasn't rented the space at the dock and he just parks his gold-plated yacht there. There has to be some sort of fine or... I don't know. He's in there throwing all those slips away. Someone knows.

Seems to have worked well for him. And he's telling us about a series of senseless, senseless crimes that are thought to be by the same person who is still still wanted. So there's very little details except for some pretty questionable sketches of this suspect. And yeah, that is where we begin. So.

through several states in the Midwest, I don't know if I would classify all of these states as Midwest, Midwest to West, Western states. To Robert's back, they're all flyover states, they're all the same to him. Yeah, along Interstate 70, hence the moniker, there's been a series of seemingly random robbery-related but strange murders. Yeah. So, and there's four women that are in three states, almost back-to-back, like not even a few weeks apart. All of them were shot in their place of work, and then all of them, like there wasn't a lot of other reason.

The first victim is named Robin. She is shot while working. It seems to be a robbery gone wrong, but there doesn't seem to be any real reason. She was the only person working. There was no surveillance. I don't really know what happened. Great. But then, on the other side of the state, Patricia Smith and Patricia Majors were working at a bridal shop. I was also like, is this guy just murdering people named Patricia? Yeah. Which, that would be a weird MO. At least that would make slightly more sense, I guess, than this. We're working at a bridal shop. It seems to be close to close. It seems like it was in a strip mall, though. Yeah. That's the weirdest part to me.

is like none of these murders are anywhere secluded or like when you think of like you're gonna rob a business i don't know like that a bridal shop is not the one i would choose i wouldn't i mean when is this 80s or 90s 80s okay it was more of a cash business than i was gonna say like i would expect a bridal shop to be almost no cash these days yeah you're like two grand cash don't ask oh yeah all the die on these don't worry about it but back then maybe more so maybe more so but it doesn't so i noticed they didn't bring this up and there was there was no like assault of any of these women however it is almost exclusively women with one exception and I feel like this killer may have been also like you don't need to murder everyone you're robbing most robberies do not involve murder I feel like people at this bridal shop were like no don't take the register kill me they're like oh my god here's the entire register plus five and he brought them to the back before shooting them too like I feel like he was targeting businesses that were more likely to have women working alone

And I think that was definitely part of it because it was really senseless. His face was not, there are some like brief witnesses and his face was not covered during any of these crimes. So I think he was using it as like an excuse to murder people, but it really seems like he wanted to murder women. And the robbery was kind of just a bonus onto this. Because again.

It's much easier to just commit a robbery. So they are both murdered. There was a witness to this crime. A customer came in for, like, a cummerbund or something, or a vest. Oh, yeah, he had a mustache. Yeah. Mr. Cummerbund. He was pretty attractive, or at least that actor was. Every actor was. Yeah. We don't actually hear from that witness. No. I think they wanted to remain anonymous, because I'm sure it was very startling, who basically, like, he tried to get him to come into the store. I'm sure he would have also been shot if he hadn't. He was like, nope, I didn't see anything. Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye. And just, like, noped out of there. That was the correct move. This man lived and called the police.

and gave a description, but nothing came of it. And then a state over, Nancy Kitzmiller was murdered at her job. And it's a similar situation where she was working alone, Robert comes in, she's like, take the money, but then he kills her and gets away. And then the next one is at a, I think it was like an auction antiques type place. So the place had like a big open warehouse? It was, again, it was like a busy strip mall sort of scenario. It looked like there was a lot of businesses like attached, right? And it was also the middle of the day. And several people saw.

the killer enter but didn't really think much of it just like noticed oh there's a stranger it sounds like this might have been like a kind of a small town stranger would be more noticeable yeah because people are literally like i saw a guy i didn't know out the window like to them that's no that's no well i'm glad it is not that much came of it but uh yeah they hear like some popping noise and they go to look and sarah blessing had been been killed and he had like already someone saw him going up like a hill back to the interstate and just took off He's also, like, wearing a suit or something. Yeah, Tim. Yeah, he's, like, kind of well-dressed. But at the same time, like, a well-dressed white dude just going places. Like, you might notice him, but, like, I think he did a good job of, he wasn't wearing, like, a balaclava or catsuits or, like, anything. One of those, um, striped, uh, hamburger outfits. Yeah, no, he did a good job blending in. Even though from the sketches we've seen, apparently he looks terrifying, but I think that's just bad art. He looks like he's part of a mouse. Yes. Is he? Perhaps. He should be easier to find. The mouse alert.

If you want the rights to the title, The Mouselor, you have to give Arden 15%, okay? You can make that into whatever you want. You can contact me at my intellectual property, The Mouselor, a redheaded mouse that murders women for no reason. I don't know why you want to adapt that into a cartoon. No, no. They can use the title for anything. That's true. You just created the word Mouselor, and that is worth 15% of the profits, I would say. Yeah, no, fair. Go ahead.

MPLS underscore mermaid at Instagram. DMs are open. Do not be a creep. Anyway, so we talked to Tim, who's a witness to that, who has a mustache. It also didn't seem very noteworthy. I called it something really boring. As I was writing it down, I went, Arden is going to be disappointed in this name. Can we call it the Mouselur? Yeah, let's call it the Mouselur now. Because you know what I wrote down? Blonde witness. Wow. Worst. Wow. I never cease to be amazed by your creative prowess, Liz. And after I gave you the Mouselur. Wow. Disappointing. I'm sorry, five.

She's got to carry this episode, I guess, for Samantha being a deadbeat and how Liz shirking her duties. Blonde witness. Blonde witness. That's clever. Yep. So there was one male victim, Michael McCown. I think they didn't originally connect him to the crimes. Because the MO was different. He was murdered in a ceramic store, which, again, weird business. It seems like maybe he was even more wrong place, wrong time. But all of these are really random. They're all strange businesses to rob.

they're all like like a single or two people it's thought that the second patricia patricia majors may have surprised him in the bridal shop killing because it she might have thought there was just one just one person because every every other killing seems to only been one but i don't know maybe it was like oh there's stores like one person working there's two people working by them there's two women working by themselves now i get to murder two women they're both named patricia this is perfect who knows who knows it seems michael really stands out every other woman it looks like they were all like white women under 40 working alone It seems like a pretty specific MO and then just Michael's kind of in there. Please don't kill me at work. Yeah. I don't really want to be murdered at home either. That's a different plea. Please don't murder me at work. I would like to not be murdered.

Yeah, it's extra sad. There was a decent amount of evidence from the bridal shop. Again, because he was interrupted by that customer, I think it was a little less clean. They found a shell casing. Mr. Cumberbund. Mr. Cumberbund got a good look at him. There's multiple people who saw him, and yet this is still unsolved. He just gets to go around being half a mouse, half a person, and killing people. There's another possible, it's unconnected because there's not much evidence, but there's another possible murder in Arlington, Texas that they think this guy also did. But it is to this day unsolved. Do you think he eventually picked a different interstate? Maybe. And that's why we haven't found him.

Yeah, or maybe he died or something else happened. It seems weird that it just stops after, like, so many back-to-back. And it's possible he switched M.O.s or switched areas. Got arrested for something else. Yeah, especially it was the A's. Got arthritis in his trigger finger. You know, they did say it's, like, serial killers don't just stop. I was like, but sometimes they knew. Yeah, other stuff happens. Yeah. Or they find a different creepy outlet. Joseph D'Angelo just, like, chilling in his house in California, thinking he got away with being the Golden State Killer. Sometimes you do just stop.

Yeah. So it is very disturbing to me that the mouse alert is potentially still out there. This case reminds me of there was a shooting in Elaine Bryant. Oh, Jesus. In Tinley Park, Illinois, in 2008, which was in the morning. It was in a strip mall. I extra hate this because I used to work for Elaine Bryant.

Five people died. Oh, that's so sad. Including the manager. Yeah, most of those, they're generally, like, in strip malls or stand-alones. I was in, like, a mall mall, so. Well, I'm glad this guy did. They never caught that guy either. Ugh, I hate it. They thought it was a robbery gone wrong, but five people? Again, it's like, how bad are you at robbing people? I don't know. It kind of seems like you wanted to murder people. That's what happened with that infamous Brown's Chicken murder. So many people got murdered at that. Yeah. And then that turned out to be a robbery gone wrong, and you're like, how? It does happen, I guess. How did it go that wrong? You know, maybe some people just aren't cut out to be robbers. Yeah, it's really true. You know? Just unprofessional.

Sloppy. Yeah, please stick to robbing. Jesus. Yeah. I was reading the most hilarious thread on Twitter the other day of times people, like, reasoned with someone trying to rob them. Like, this guy was in England, and this guy was trying to take his laptop. And he was like, there's a lot of, I have a lot of work on this laptop that I, like, really need. If you take it, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna have to try to fight you. And the guy was like, oh, fair enough, mate. And just, like, laughed. Went to rob something else. I mean, that's so British. One. I love it. It's so good. My mother wants to guilt trip someone out of mugging her. I think this is a thing. Yeah. And we should all, if it applies to you, if you can be like, look.

I am broke. If you take this identity, you have to keep it. You have to pay my bills. Like my mom was in her early 20s. I was a baby. She had just gotten done. She was waiting for a bus after working at Marshall Fields in heels all day. And pantyhose in the middle of summer. She always stresses that it was like 80 plus degrees and she was wearing pantyhose. And just like, just done. And some dude, it was night and some dude like comes out of like a dark corner. Like, give me all your money, bitch. And she was like, no, you listen here. I have a baby. I've been working. I have blisters on my feet. Have you ever had your pantyhose stick to your own blood? I don't think so. I make minimum wage. How dare you?

dare you and he was like i'm so sorry like he just like apologized and like ran away i mean try it depending on your robber give it a try yeah yeah be like you can take these credit cards but they're maxed out so good luck with that like best of luck bell my mom used to carry these um toy cars for my brother to play with at restaurants when he was little and one of them was a police car and when you squeezed it like a little siren would go off and my mom was on the bus and the guy reached into her purse and instead of grabbing her wallet grabbed The siren started going off and he was literally caught with his hand on her purse. That's amazing. Yeah, it's pretty funny. Wow. Okay, so I'm glad we could lighten up that really, really horrible. You're welcome. Horrible ending. Yeah. That is where that episode ends, folks, with this unsolved interstate murderer. I hope he's dead in a ditch. Yeah, it ends really sad, but I will say this episode overall, pretty classic, classic unsolved mysteries fair. Okay, let's read it. So, oh no, Samantha usually says the categories. Okay, so first up we have, what, reenactments? Reenactments. Um, they were pretty good. They were kind of unknowable.

I'm going to say sideways. Not good or bad. Yeah. No real memories of them. Yeah, it's fine. Robert Stack. Robert Stack. He was great. Yeah, yeah. In a cemetery. In a church. In a trench coat. In a police station. Talking about how we can't judge people and life is full of mystery. That's what makes it great. No, excellent. Thumbs way up. Yes. Fashion?

Most of it is pretty unremarkable, but there's some really good 40s fashion. That's true. I also noted that Patti, who was the woman who saw her deceased husband, she had a cool robe at 1.2. Yeah, there were good robes. Good robes, which Liz and I both are big robe fans. We sent each other lots of links of robes if you're wondering what we're doing when we're not recording this podcast. It's going, should I buy this really expensive robe? And me always being like, yes, you should.

By all rights, we should both own about, like, 1,500 robes by now. Just having a robe closet. Just living on the street with a bunch of, like, Catherine Delish robes. What a life that would be. Okay. So I'm going to say, actually, thumbs up just for the robes. Yeah. Solid. Okay. Oh, mysterious. Mysteriousness. Pretty mysterious. A lot of this is unsolved or unsolvable. Yeah. I mean, is Father Salon this a miracle worker? Who's to say? Did those people see their deceased loved ones? Who's to say? Who knows? What happened to that interstate killer? What happened to that? Oh, where's Chet? Chet, where are you? Chet, come in. Chet. Everyone knows Chet.

Please. Yeah, I'm going to write in. Yeah. Please. Chat. It's perhaps as you podcast. Gmail.com. God. Throw us a lifeline. I would say it's pretty mysterious. It's not always like we're happy. It's mysterious, right? No. But like it's pretty mysterious. The mysterious factor, I feel like, thumbs up. So how would you rate this? Five Robert Stacks being the best. Zero Robert Stacks being Alcatraz. I feel like this has to be solid like three and a half to four. I agree completely. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know that any of these are like such a standout one on there alone. Yeah. But the combination really works well. And there weren't any like really long.

Like updates or anything? No. Update free. Yeah. And even though we had to hear about Bud going to war, was that really part of the segment? No. Yeah, they really held back. No war stuff. I appreciate it. I think it's because he wasn't a great guy. If he was like a war hero, Robert Stack, oh, you know, he would have been like, oh, the tides of war. Here's 500 pictures of him in military uniform standing by flags. Did you know about the world wars? I'm about to tell you. Wait, there were two? Tell me war. Wild. Michelle is like cringing right now. Michelle's crying a little bit. I mean, pretending I don't know there's been two world wars.

It's okay, Rochelle. I know the truth. We love you, Rochelle. I know that Hitler had those sharks. I know so much about it. Oh. Okay. We love you, Rochelle.

Maybe say four. Yeah. I think four is – there's nothing I, like, hated about this episode except that that interstate 70 killer isn't called it. But that's not the episode's fault. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true. It might be those police sketch artists' fault. How do you have so many witnesses in that terrible of sketches? They're real bad. I really think a child could have done as well. I'm just hoping that guy – I don't know. But then when your child, like, draws that, you're like, do we need to think about therapy? You would absolutely bring your child. This is the mausler, mama. My child is communicating with the mausler. Things are not okay. I like how we managed to make it worse somehow.

He only comes at night. No. Okay. So what did you want to recommend, Liz? Oh, my goodness. I am scrambling for recommendation this week. Though yesterday, I will say that I made two children watch The Secret of Nim while eating some Hawaiian pizza and drinking a root beer because I was really trying to get back into a childhood. We're in the library and it's supposed to be recess, but it's raining kind of mode. That's a vibe.

And it was pretty delightful. Yeah. I love The Secret of NIMH, I've got to say. It held up. The animation is beautiful. Any movie that people, other people are like, yeah, that movie kind of disturbed me as a child is my favorite movie as a child. Absolutely. Like, that's just that category of films. This was, yeah, definitely something that used to show to us in the library if it was raining. And I always wanted it to be this and not Homeward Bound. And those seem to be the only two movies that they had. Yeah. Given the choice, I would also choose The Secret of NIMH. I was like, please be The Secret of NIMH. I want the creepier one. I want the one about creepy rats with electricity. Nicodemus. It's so pretty, too. The animation is beautiful. It's so beautiful. The Christmas lights. That's my favorite part. When, like, the Christmas lights are, like, blinking through, like, the dark little, like, tunnels

Love it. There's just a charm to that hand-drawn animation that you don't see anymore. Oh, they don't make them like they used to. I was definitely more of a Don Bluth child than a Disney child, and I think maybe that explains a lot. I would say I was like a Henson child. I absolutely made my extremely religious grandfather watch All Dogs Go to Heaven, and guess what? I don't recommend that. That did not go well. He was quite puzzled. That's hilarious. And slightly angry. I don't know why that's such a controversial take, I guess, but again. There's a lot of weird stuff in that movie. I'm not really sure why you make a movie for children about dogs with a gambling problem that are like...

Running a mob racket. But you know what? I don't see why not. I thought it was interesting. It's okay. Yeah. Show children. Force children to watch The Secret of NIMH. Yes. Also, I wanted to recommend that Ben and Jerry's now makes cookie dough you can eat. Oh, yeah. In the freezer section. Yeah. They have the cinnamon roll one. Ooh. And I wish I could give you some Ardent, but I ate it all. I'm not shocked. Because my reaction to it is, where have you been all my life? You complete me. That sounds delightful. It's so good. Ben and Jerry's, please sponsor this podcast and send me free cookie dough. Yeah.

Okay, that's my recommendation. That's, I mean, those are solid. Maybe you could make children, watch The Secret of Nam, order Hawaiian pizza, and then eat that cookie dough. Yeah, that sounds great. Holy shit. That's not your life. Yeah. Do you have a recommendation for us, my dear? I do. I had to think about what to recommend. I was like, what have I been even doing with my life lately? But I got a order in the mail, shocking, recently, and I thought I could recommend a company. Oh. So I really love the, and it's getting into, like, colder weather for a lot of us, too, so I feel like this is a good, like, seasonal.

seasonal uh recommendation so i have loved for several years now the company snag tights oh yeah big fan and they actually just released their halloween collection which i got uh several of and i'm very excited about um they have a lot of different ones i got ones that look like it has like skeleton legs like painted over your tights and then i also got some that have little glittery stars and moons all over like black shears they're beautiful they also have like ones with little pumpkins and little ghosts and spider webs they're great um but just overall i really recommend this company they have truly inclusive sizing not like oh We have, like, a slightly less small person. We made one extra large. Aren't you so impressed? By the way, extra large fits a 12-year-old. And they're also very good not only with their actual sizing, but with their branding, with their photos they show online. I feel like it's very easy for most people to see, oh, that's how this will look on me, which I think is really good. I think they have, like, extra, extra small through, like, I think about 4XL, and those sizes are very accurate, which is great. So they also have, like...

a pretty raw range. They also recently had a Care Bears collection. I saw that. Yeah. They have some cute, like, limited collections, and then they also just have really standard ones. I have some of their, they have wool tights, which I love for the winter because they're extra warm. It's like a sweater for your legs. Yes. So I got a new pair of those as well, but I thought that would be a fun recommendation going into colder weather, but also some Halloween fun. I actually recently ordered.

I'm waiting for my order right now. Yeah, if you get regular, I will say, if you get standard shipping, it takes a while to get here. Because it's not coming from Scotland or something. Yeah, it's coming either from the UK or Australia. They have two bases there. I think they're working on setting up one here. But I definitely got the bat tights. Yeah, those are super cute. So I'll update people on how those are. And then I got some green ones and some polka dotty ones. Yeah, they have a lot of really fun stuff. And I feel like I've always really liked novelty tights. And for a long time, they're like, oh, you're over a size 12. No, black only. Yeah.

That's it. I got some really cute ones last Christmas that have, like, gold metallic polka dots on them. They're very, very cute. But, yeah, no, I've ordered from them a ton of times. I've liked everything I've gotten besides some kind of slow shipping. They do have faster shipping options if you want to pay for it. Obviously, I'm cheap. I picked for cheap shipping. Yes. I mean, no surprise there. All right. Wow. They really should pay me at this point. I've worked for them a lot on Instagram also. That's how I feel every time we're doing these recommendations. I'm like, and I'm talking about polar water again. Why? Where is that?

Where's the polar water money? But you know what? It means that people do really respect the recommendations. That's true. Integrity. We have that going for us. We cannot sell out no matter how hard we try. But that means that we get the integrity. I suppose it's worth it. Well, somehow we made it through this episode without Samantha. It was a struggle. We don't even need her. Yeah. No. Come back, Samantha. I'm going to make her edit this. But we don't even need her. We love you, Samantha. Yes. Come back to us, Samantha. We miss you.

Okay. She's fine, everyone, also. She just has a lot going on. She's not, like, dying. She does not have COVID, I promise. She just didn't need one more thing to do. No, she did a little break. Okay.

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You get 10% off Halloween. That's good. And we'll have zines for sale. Hopefully in time for the holidays. Maybe if I can get my shit together. If Samantha isn't a bad influence on me and I don't really drop a ball on that. And, uh, God, five stars. Do Samantha solid and hit that subscribe button so hard that you, your finger, you're like, Ooh, do I have arthritis now? There's like kind of a twitch that wasn't there before. That's what I want. I want pain. And that's how we're going to end it.

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My Instagram is at MPLS underscore mermaid. I'm not very active on it these days, but you can follow me there. I am pretty active in the Facebook groups, so. You'll see around. Yes. And try, if you write any poems, try to keep them not so creepy. I've been feeling burnt out on the affection of the internet lately, so. It's a lot, folks. It's a lot. I keep, okay. Well, this is like so random, but when I watched that horrible Netflix reality show, Too Hot to Handle, where they put a bunch of people on an island and told them not to bang. Yeah, rude. They just didn't. It was very boring. But there was this woman on there, Francesca, and she was like, I have this many followers on it. Because she's like.

Very beautiful. She was like, I have this many followers on Instagram. And then I looked at Arden's Instagram and I was like, my friend Arden has more. She's not on Too Hot to Handle bragging about it. But then I just watched the update for Love is Blind and they like brought her into cause drama. And I was like, oh, that girl, Arden has more Instagram followers than? Probably not anymore. Probably not anymore. It was a funny moment. I would never brag about, like, I have a decent amount, but it's not like, oh, I have millions of followers. Like, that's so sad and weird to me. It was a funny moment. Mostly for me personally. And I was like, you know who's better than you? By your own weird, stupid metric, Arden. Yes. Okay, now on that note, we will really go. Actually, goodbye. Goodbye.