I aren't you, a Jedi, why aren't you a Jedi, or something? Because I've dealt! I understand, I've lost everything. Oasha, look when you lose, everything, that's when you're finally free.
That means built on hope. What a 150,000 people. And welcome to another episode of regularizing line star voice podcast. I'm your host, I'm your host, my boy Kamsaraan.
No one did today, what's fine. We're joined. Bye friend. I'm special guest Norlhau, how are you doing today?
Hey, hello there! Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, happy to be here. I mean, we're happy that you're here.
It's not just me rambling for an hour. Especially, look at that intro. That little bit that we just saw there. We're gonna sell out this week.
I mean, these past two weeks have been hot in Star Wars 2 or the Star Wars in general, but this past week, oof, I'm selling out a lot out there, but we'll get to all the ocean mirror, all the ships, and it's gonna happen. But, Nora, are you thankful, Jono, so how are you just in general, then enjoying this show so far? Well, again, thank you for having me. I feel that I've been enjoying this show a lot.
And I, it's a different period of time in the galaxy, a storyline, but I'm really enjoying it. I've been pleasantly surprised. I was like, yeah, I'm gonna watch it no matter what. But I've been enjoying the characters, the story, the way everything is being unfolded as we go.
So yeah, I'm really enjoying this ride with the acolyte, to be honest. Yeah, it's been a good ride. It's been, I don't say up and down, there's some things in every episode, anything that you watch out there. I prefer that they weren't this route or that.
They didn't hit the way I wanted to. But in general, I've been enjoying the story, I've been enjoying the characters. Only two episodes away from it. It all coming to an end.
It seems like we waited so long for this show, like four years since it was announced. And we're almost at the end. It's sad. Yeah.
I know, I know. Hopefully, I'm hopefully crossing my fingers. We get season two. It's been implied, of course, with the interviews, with the creator, Leslie Hilland, Headland.
But I really hope that there's a confirmation soon. Yeah, I think so too. Me too. Me too.
Especially when you see some other shows, for example, How So did you drag on season two? Just start on before season two started. Yeah, season three is already confirmed. I want that for Star Wars.
Then we already got in season two. There's so much, but we'll get to it. We had to all that. Everyone that was watching, I was trying to be here with us.
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You don't know me, special episode. So anything when we drop like this past Wednesday, we had a good fortune of having the second-raton, the author of some high-re-poly books out there. She was here last week or actually like two days ago. Or three days ago, there's a link to it in the description of the videos.
Why not check that interview? I was pretty cool one, but we'll get to that in a minute. And my friend Mo is here. Hey Mo, all the people.
Thank you for joining us, Mo. We'll have fun with this one. So let's go ahead and start. If you guys are ready, I'm ready.
I think I'm going to repeat that because I'm not ready. I love my stuff. Let me do this. Okay.
If you guys are ready, I'm not ready. Let's not Star Wars and Star Wars on TV. All right, there we go. I got to make sure I got all my stuff set up before I asked.
If people are ready, because I'm not ready after time. All right. Now, we can't imagine it a little bit. Let me get this out of the way.
So people can't. There we go. So we talked a little bit before we started. Or as we started, we really enjoyed the act like so far.
Two episodes before everything ends. But we just got a very big episode that we needed. After last week, which was just an action pack 30 minutes, like, say, we fight, everyone dying. We had something to cool down, quote unquote, because no one was cool after this world.
Everyone was flaming hot after this. But I'm glad it was more of a character driven episode. Just we'll talk about OSHA. We came here and then we saw La Mae.
But did you enjoy that this episode was kind of, as I laid back, it wasn't as action pack as before. Just let's get to some character motivations out there. Yeah, of course, I agree with you. I think we needed a little bit of a cool down after what happened.
And yeah, sort of like, I think the closest thing we have had to a red wedding and Star Wars because of course, we know maybe these characters were not going to survive. But we didn't, we didn't, we were not waiting your and getting to buy the Dosto of course. But yeah, it was a very necessary episode with this character, some characters 30, like you said. And yeah, I enjoyed it, to be honest.
Yeah, I mean, we expected some July to die, not all of them, not that way. On the same episode, it's like, we went ready for the next, red wedding, maybe not as bloody, but emotional. It was so very... Hello, General, that's right.
Yes. Yeah, well, especially when we're so connected to your and Jackie already. But let's go into episode six, teach, corrupt, who's doing that teaching, who's doing that corrupting. It's Star Wars, it's all, you're from a certain point of view, which one you want to follow.
I will start with the obvious one, which is, there's just OSHA mirror, elder, cameo and OSHA. We can't be speculating, not speculating. After last week episode, OSHA make and switch places, that, okay, next one, probably Kaim is gonna try to turn OSHA to inside and solve maybe reveals the truth to me and then may switches. But I didn't expect it to go this way, where it was very different.
But are you just gonna ask, are you on the shipping, these two new characters, the new, I don't say the new Raylos, they're different factions, some different reasons behind about, are you one of those other shipping, though, these two characters? Oh, of course. I'm giving a good, I'm giving a good enemy to lovers. And I'll say yes, definitely, especially because we are, these characters are new, so they're not connected to any of the OG, any previous characters that we know before.
It's not like, oh yeah, that's the great, great, grand mother of, I don't know, saying or whatever. Right there. No, we don't, we have no previous knowledge of these characters, so I found it really interesting to see that. Yeah, and also it brought some levity to social media, especially after this past few weeks, which all being in attacks and activity and all this stuff this week.
And I tweeted out, even though I'm not the biggest shipping personnel there, it was so positive. It just, and it's fun. Even if I don't participate, I just found some of the theories and everyone just going nuts about this, especially then, like you mentioned, interviews with the creator, let's say, hell and shout out to our friend, Maggie Love and I grated into with her for collider. I said, it was great and also bad because she answered a lot of the questions that we have, so now we can speculate, that's all the answers are there.
I was like, oh, would that be active now? It's not active. Oh, I have to chase my notes. I said, actually, I'm missing, okay, she doesn't miss the planet.
I will get to the missing planet, you know, I mean, I'm sure. But so yeah, everyone's 13 of we came here since last week with the by 70 shoulders and now basically everything is just, talking about Red Wedding almost went full, Yamathrones, Bora's Naked, unless they stopped it at some point. I know. But yeah, right.
And like I said, I wish I joked on Twitter that I wish that LeDly Hadlam had directed the living waters, it's in in the glory, because yeah. We won't go with all the whole armory, we'll just be no armory for either of them. But let's just go right, there's that cave scene. I'm not taking Ocean Witch's up in the cave, kind of finds Meg's diagric leaves it behind.
Yes, Red Wedding is close as she finds, and then goes finds Kaimir and he's in this little beach, or farther, whatever we want to call it. Like we said, extremely vulnerable in more ways than one. And just kind of sensing that she's behind him, she's got the light saber and then all the induendo star, the algorithm does it feel the whole one again? And just that scene in general, I mean, we can go to that mindset, if we want, but just what it meant was, because, and I think it was already interviewed, just people talking about it, is that with Mae, he didn't even show his face.
And I was, Ocean, he's a completely different person, completely naked, completely vulnerable. Bringing her out of her shell, more or less, just that whole scene, kind of your interpretation of it. And that's interesting because you mentioned a really very important fact. Both Ocean and Mae are different people, even if they have the same appearance.
So they did this parent trap kind of thing, or Mae did this parent trap thing, but because they look the same. However, they're not the same person. And we see it from the perspective of Kaimir, like you just said, with Mae, he didn't show his face. So Mae had no idea who was her master, whereas with Ocean, he goes to this extreme of being vulnerable, like, get naked and getting to the water in a vulnerable position.
And so, rendering his weapon, or not to run the bat, leaving it there. Yeah, knowing that she was going right for it. Exactly. So it tells you a lot of, and I, there of course, you mentioned Twitter coders about, ah, he's manipulating her.
And I know we want to talk about more a little bit, but it's interesting to see how he exposes himself, that being vulnerable to her. Yeah. Yeah, we'll get a little bit more, a couple of minutes of how he treats, and he even says it, how he treats Mae, or the purpose that he had with Mae, and she can only want the revenge, and we'll come back to that and something different with Ocean. But also, again, thanks to that interview, because I don't pay attention to stuff like this, when I watch it the first time, he goes dressing his all black cloak, very dark side image.
Or when he comes out, after saying, hey, if you're not going to join me, let me at least get dressed. And then he's dressed up all in white, less intimidating, kind of this color visual to the audience, that's also kind of a different character, that with Mae, he was very dominant, and very aggressive, very dark side leaning. And now he's dreading this kind of just white t-shirt almost. I'm not a t-shirt, but kind of a throat, silky, kind of relaxed, no, nothing aggressive about it.
It's also give, I guess, ocean impression, like, he's not a threat to her. Like she said, oh, am I your prison? Oh, you're the one holding the weapon. So he's changing her mind.
Yeah, I just killed like 20 Jedi. I'm going to be a little different with you. No, I agree. And I wonder, because you made a very good point.
I wonder if that's because him, and that's what we kind of learned, that he was a Jedi. He had this Jedi background, which is something he has in common with OSHA, whereas Mae, she wasn't a Jedi. So I don't know if that's something that he finds this commonality with OSHA. Like, oh, if we have something in common, we were part of the Jedi world.
But that's very interesting, how he, the way he treats social, the way he treats me. It's very interesting. I'm so interested in how we know so much about soul, and how does he know so much about Mae, because maybe I know she's been separated for eight years or 16 years or whatever. 16 years, yeah.
So I don't know how she knows all this stuff about her. So it's going to be very interesting to find out. I think so far, a lot of the questions have been set up in previous episodes, have been slowly getting answered. But yeah, when he reveals that he's a Jedi, I can shout out if all it was here, when we had our speculation talk a month or so ago, he kind of has to think that Darkseid is going to be one of the Jedi.
I don't think so. He turned out to be a Jedi. Which is very interesting, of course, that brings all the questions about who his master was, and all that stuff. We'll get to that in a second.
But yeah, find out that he was a Jedi, was very interesting because like you mentioned, another connection to OSHA that he can, he may not manipulate, but he used to get her in that mindset that maybe that Jedi weren't the best, in general, maybe weren't the best to you as they were to me, which will of course, will be fine enough. And also like he uses when she asked, oh, did you kill Sol? No, oh, did you kill May? No, it's very interesting that you asked about him first.
This is more than just your master, basically his father, he brought within cannot do care of you. To then throw later or the Jedi didn't like you, they threw you away on that stuff. It's a different type of, it's not manipulation, I guess, was just, I don't know, probably telling her what she needs to hear, even if it's my detail to a wrong path, I would say. Yeah, and I feel that it's more the way to, I don't, I mean, some people say, he was manipulated, not exactly, I feel like from his perspective, from his perspective, from his perception, the way, I mean, how things went with him, with the Jedi that we don't know yet.
He says, okay, they rejected me or they abandoned me, so he's the same with you. So, but of course, we don't know what is the extent of the relationship he had with Sol, he, my head, we don't know, like we speculate with Bernesser, but of course, we know that at a certain extent, the Jedi and the attachment, what is the perspective about it? And that's the way, like, why he tries to book, like, like, yeah, you're, and maybe if it was another Jedi, let's say, I've heard from the beginning of this year, oh, Sol reminds like, Qui-Gon, but we know Qui-Gon, he was not the most orthodox Jedi, and he was more like, he survived, he would be the father figure that Anakin said, well, we're gonna need it. But in this case, we are no different, period of time of the Jedi, so maybe Sol was lacking that.
Yeah, I mean, we all, after the first two episodes, we were like, Sol, you're all dead, we love you, of course it was that to me, I mean, to Osha, who knows if also to Kynia, because a lot of people are speculating that Bernesser, man, being his master, so the scars, he said that his master, that person threw him away, gave him these scars, I'm telling you, I'm jumping ahead a little bit, Osha says your master, he never answers, but we're not speculating, because we also saw the light whip, but maybe Sol, maybe Sol was his master before Osha was, and discarded, like he said, and then discarded Osha, so maybe he's making that connection. Before we continue, don't throw from Berness, are they? First of all, it's very interesting, every so time it was, it was. It was so high to our friends, how the master, that was, that's what John, your guys.
So yeah, talk about masters, and if he was a Jedi, let's believe him, you know, this is like, I don't think he's lying, I mean, in that interview, I left the headline, gave she don't say that he's standing her the truth. What do you stand, do you think his Jedi master is someone that we've met already on the show? Being either Sol or Bernesser, or you think might be someone else that we haven't met yet? I feel that either it was Bernesser, or he knew them, maybe someone we don't know, but I get the feeling from his first, his discussion, and I know we're going to talk about the power of two.
Yeah. I get the feeling that he had, there's another, I mean, there might be a Sith master. Oh yeah. He was rejected because from the last episode, the way he mentioned about himself, he said, I'm what the Jedi would call a Sith, but he didn't say I'm a Sith.
So I don't know, it gives me vibes of Maul during the Clone Wars. Sure. He was a abandoned, like I left out apprentice. So and I remember Sol, sorry, Maul trying to get an apprentice of himself, of his own, like, but he would have a surprise.
So it kind of gives me vibes that he wants to put people to do that, give me the role of two. Yeah, we'll get to the power of two. And I mean, I agree 100%. We've been saying this forever, it's not going to change my mind till the season ends, and everything's in my face that there's a Sith master out there.
So actual Sith Lord out there controlling everything. We'll get to that. And I mean, it might be what you just said, maybe he was an apprentice to the Sith Lord, that Sith Lord said, like, eh, you're not doing it for whatever, went to find another, and then he's once abandoned by that master. Even first by the Jedi, now by the Sith, it just keeps being abandoned by the Wanda.
Maybe we'll see. I don't know, I don't want who, if it's one of those two Jedi, at first, even last week, I thought maybe Sol used to be Chinese master. Like they should not recognize each other, even though he said last week, oh, I sent something at present. I think if he was Sol's apprentice, he would remember who he was, even if he hasn't seen him for 16 years.
I think that connection will still be there. So I don't think Sol is, it was his Jedi master. Kind of makes a little bit more sense that it's Vernezra, because Verne and I'm jumping all the way to the end of my notes. Vernezra's the one that said in those, I think episode two, when all that freaking kia di Mundi stuff happened, she said, oh, this was, she was thrown by a Jedi or something.
And someone says, oh, I think I did this. Oh, I don't need the hologram to tell me that. So I think she knows that she had an apprentice that kind of left. So I think some little hint here on the other might be Vernezra's apprentice.
And that why Scott Diaz on his back, the same time that the whip gets introduced, I think it's a misdirection. I'm going to say that Vernezra didn't hit him with the light whip. I think if you get hit with a light server whip, you're going to have a straight back from your back and you're according to. But I don't know how they work.
Oh, maybe I saw somewhere, I think on Twitter that, hey, maybe there were like the lightning that said lightning, but we don't know. I went on such a rabbit hole. I went to Google, I searched real lightning, like scores to see if anything matched with kimeo. To say, of course it's a sit lightning.
I couldn't find anything exactly like that. There were a few that maybe, but yeah, it makes sense. At least for me, it means that there was a sit lightning. This series of us, everything's been misdirection.
So I think this is another one, just making us think that Vernezra here with the light whip. I want to say no, I think there was some sit lightning. And we'll find out maybe next week. Yeah, I get the feeling that next week we might get that, some kind of Rashomon effect flashback.
I mean, what happened in Brenda from the perspective of Seoul. Yeah, I hope we get that should be it. And I guess we might get a little some background in for Kimeo and his Jedi days. I don't think can I completely be wrong that the whole episode's gonna be that same flashback since the beginning just when someone else is gonna be a problem, it'll be bits and pieces.
So we'll go through everything. Then the other half might be Kimeo telling Osha his part in everything. We'll see. Very something that a lot of people have kind of picked on is when Osha saying, oh, so he's very strong in the forest.
He found me once. He'll find me again. And he's like, it's not his strength in the forest. It's your strength in the forest.
The Jedi only teach. You can use the forest one way. There's different ways to use. And we saw this with the witches that we're doing something different.
And of course, that leads a little bit later on when it's that anger lost all that. There's other emotions out there. She's like, oh, that's the path of the dark side. Well, semantics depends on you.
The Jedi view thing that was one way. There's other ways to view the forest. Are you starting to kind of relate to what Kimeo is telling Osha at that point? Of course, because I feel like at this point in time, the Jedi, of course, we have the golden age of the High Republic, but they're kind of going down to this place where we found them on the pre-episode one.
That yeah, they were still the Jedi order. Like with all the like the Coruscant. But they are so astonished on their ways that yeah, and there's this dichotomy of, oh, Jedi, not Jedi is sick. So there's only one way to handle the forest.
And I feel that yeah, it is interesting. It's an interesting approach to see that, hey, it's not only one way to address the forest or the threat, what the witches were doing. Yeah, and also around that point, that time is when he's saying, oh, that Jedi don't allow me to exist or something like that when we only can only use the forest one where the Jedi tell you also when she, oh, I haven't used that 14 years or it kind of just fades away. Oh, that's what the Jedi tell you.
There's another way to access it. And that's when he kind of doing his dark side preach about this more on the dark side, more power, more emotions. So what did you say? Yeah, no, no, but the Jedi, not from the Jedi.
And one thing again, even though I still see a manipulator, she's a wrong word, I wish I had a better one. But he's when she's, oh, you killed the Jedi, you killed your, he's kind of justifying his way. He's reasoning for killed the Jedi. Well, if I hadn't killed, Jake, he was gonna kill me.
Your, actually, he was gonna throw you in jail without knowing that you were innocent. And that's when he said, oh, the Jedi don't want me to exist. So he's still justifying his, no, not his existence, but his actions, which is something that Sif do a lot. Oh, I had no other option but to kill everyone.
Once you're free, you'll have to worry about the rules, which is, you know, getting to her head again, why do you care so much about being a Jedi? What did you tell? I told you because they discarded you. And then that leads to that scene outside when she has the lightsaber to his neck, pushing OSHA to accept the DJ that kind of left her out or through her out, which at the beginning of the series, he basically told Jackie, oh, I wasn't the perfect Jedi or the ideal Jedi because I left because I couldn't, kind of, my emotions and my attachments to my sister didn't let me be that perfect Jedi.
What we see at that point, you see that she just left on her own balloon, not that she was kicked out. So I was a little bit surprised to hear that, what does it kind of, oh, that she failed. Oh, I failed. So I had to leave.
Yeah, yeah, it's an interesting scenario to learn from her that, okay, she wasn't as far about the Jedi. She decided to own the decision of saying, you know what, I'm not the perfect Jedi. I don't fit the mold of what a Jedi should be. So I'm going to leave.
So I guess that it's an interesting truth to learn. And like you said, manipulation, I don't think that would be the right word. Of course, some people will throw it like carelessly because I'm manipulating. No, he's at the end of the day, he's justifying you said it perfectly.
He's justifying his actions. Like, ah, it was them or me. I was just defending myself. I felt like that.
But he had a certain extent shows that, hey, and from what we learn, it is interesting from us as viewers, because we have that knowledge from what happens through like 100 years later with the Jedi. And we have an extensive knowledge from all the prequel, the Clone Wars, the Jedi after that, how they behaved and how that question, okay, what is the, how are we going to handle the force as are we going to use the like the, this Orthodox way, like the Jedi or are we going to approach other, and I feel like older, even to the sequels with Ray and Tiger Ram and Solo, they face the same, the same issue. Yeah, by the end of the sequel, so even from the last Jedi, I don't want to get into the last Jedi fight with anyone else. But we started seeing that Jedi, I'm sorry, turning that turn, sorry for repeating it.
To go back to maybe what it was or what the high recall idea were at the beginning, which is everyone felt the force at different ways. Anyway, Chris felt the song also manual, it was an ocean. So everything everyone connected to a force different, there were all these other forces factions out there. There's the Convocation of the Force in general, all the different force religions or force views come together to discuss the force.
By the time of the prequels, no, it's the Jedi and the Sith don't even exist anymore, I want the Sith demo. Oh, everything went to hell. So yeah, we're starting to say something that Leslie had last since the beginning, we're going to see how the Jedi went from the human shot at the beginning, kind of the high standards that they were, the Golden Age to where they went, prequel to it really not knowing what was going on during the universe. And we're still getting inching closer to that.
So even though I'm a Jedi apologist and I always say that the Jedi are good guys, doesn't mean that they're bad Jedi, so that the order doesn't need to kind of rethink its ways. I was trying to see that. So yes, not many players are basically telling her the truth, and having her admit what she might be kind of re-repressing. Maybe not the healthiest way, but just, hey, get all your emotions out, be true to yourself, and let's see where that goes.
And that's where we're kind of, it's not telling her join me and together all these sort of, all the universe. Well, really like the yeah. Yeah, accept the truth, and then we'll see where it falls. And I think that's a very interesting way to do this Sith recruiting of someone else, because it's always, oh, you'll be more powerful than you ever was with the Jedi.
This is a different type of recruitment speech, which is, was done pretty great. More understanding. Yeah. Yeah.
So yeah, Jedi is discarding Kaimi, which is something that then leads to, she's saying that the Jedi threw her away. That great line, once you lose everything, you're finally free. She's again, great line, but also very dark side that now you're free to do everything, like me, just misleaving, justify your actions. But the way, the delivery, money has been, we said it last week, we'll say it again.
Great body, great face, great actor, great delivery lines, we'll take it. Of course. All right. So, OSHA, how did you tell Mayo, give May, basically the same speech?
And he's like, no, I made a mistake with May. I thought she wanted something more than just revenge, but we made the only thing she wants was to kill the four Jedi because they took her sister away. And once she finds out that OSHA's alive, everything changed for her. And that's in episode four, I think, when Kaimi was like, no, no, no, you might not deal, you can't go back on it.
And then everything leads to where we're at. To announce an amen mistake with May, she only wanted revenge. I want something else. How about it?
One. The power of two. The power of two, yes. And then first I went to all the power of one, the power of two, the power of many.
And then, of course, it is the rule of two. The rule of two, yes. Which is kind of obvious. Then it goes again to there's another Sith Lord out there.
But does he want the power of two, him and a pupil, to then kill the Sith Lord that maybe threw him away? Or maybe it's actually the Sith Lord that he needs that apprentice, as we know, to be able to kill the master to then have the power of two between the two of them. So, this is your reaction when he says the power of two, like you mentioned, we know the whole history of Star Wars, and when we hear that, like, gear starts turning. It's poetry.
It just runs because, like I said, it made me think a lot about Mo, that he, in a certain way, he also was from a Force religion, a region from the Knight Sisters, the son of Mother Tossing. And in some way, he wanted to, he wanted revenge. He wanted to own his place as the Sith Lord, and his apprentice. Whereas here, I mean, it makes me, and of course, it could be that way.
He's the Sith Lord, and there's no another. He wants a pupil. He wants to apprentice. But I don't know, it makes me feel, and like we said, from a certain point of view and written in Star Wars, it makes me think that it's, he wants to take over somebody else.
Yeah, I agree. It can be, if you want not to change things, but maybe he's the only Sith elder, right? He wants the second one to have the, the rule of two, and then move on. I think that's, I hope, and again, who knows, who's how the story goes.
I hope that he needs someone else to help overthrow the Master, because then all my theories are getting closer. But then he connects to what we know of Star Wars, where the power of two and the apprentice trying to recruit someone. I'm very interested in what he never says, apprentice, even when he's talking to Ojavad Jela. She says, oh, you were his pupil.
And I hear he says, I want a pupil, I want an acryl, it's never apprentice. I'm sure there's a reason for it. I can't get it at this point, but hopefully to find out soon. But to me, I keep going to Plagueis.
I still think that Plagueis is a big bad out there. It might be wrong, but I hope, I hope, I can, it connects everything at that point. Then we have that great scene with the helmet, it's kind of fixing the helmet a little bit. Try it on.
It's kind of sensory deprivation, like we use as young liens plus it's quite tosy, so we can block the light sabers. And Mais Ojav's like, no, I'm not going to try it on. And then like any good kid out there that you tell, don't touch it, she won't touch it and put it on. And then we get reminded me of Darth Vader, of course, you're through the breathing out there, and you can't see anything.
Oh, yeah, the sensory deprivation. That was a really good way to finish the episode. Yeah, I think that when my kids were young and just hearing, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just put my good tosy on it.
I'm free, I can't hear anything. But real quick, we talked about the interview when Leslie Helens said, yeah, it's not a toe, it's a misery planet. So everyone's kind of divided through the middle. Oh, of course it's acto, the only half, it's this planet called Delnik.
Well, definitely, yes. Yeah, because he calls his mind, which is again, goes through the plague, which is not canon. But all my theories lie on that non-canon book at the moment. There's a little bit of through-thing legends.
There's a little bit of through-thing legends. Leslie Helens says she's speaking from the EU, but everything connects, so I hope it is. Yeah. And it's just a little bit, you don't need to know anything.
Just, yeah, there's some cool tosy there. That's why he used to build his helmet on his arm guard. He can't use that to build an armory. People stop asking where he doesn't have a whole armory.
Just a little piece there. He doesn't have the machinery to it. It's not a dwarf from Lord of the Rings. He can't just mind the whole cave himself.
Yeah, he doesn't have an armory. Like the armory. Yeah, go forward. I wonder if he's 50 years, I'm going to bring the armory back to help you.
If you get an armory quick. Another great scene and just deliver it. And I don't understand. Again, if people don't like the show, that's fine.
But when people say, oh, it's bad writing. No, a great language. You go when he tells, oh, you should try it on. And she's like, oh, I don't trust you.
Oh, and you shouldn't. You should trust yourself. I get bigger than that. Trust yourself.
Forget what did you like told you? Yeah. Trust yourself. And now you're good.
Yes. And I have to give it because it's from a certain point of view, of course. But I agree, it's the lines and the way that this plot is great. I think it's good.
And how it's been delivered by the actors. I mean, Curtis too many has since because first we saw him as this. And I was rewatching the first episode. And you see this like this point, you're kind of like goofy guy.
And then he completely changes. And also to Amandla, they did a perfect job because they are two different characters. Like, oh, she's more than two characters. Exactly.
And some people said like, ah, they're acting. But it's the character. We're talking about sometimes you have these characters that are kind of guarded and kind of repressed. And they're the way to interact.
So of course, it goes, it's like talking about Twilight. And you talk about Kristen Stewart and people would give her a bad attitude. But then you see her afterwards. Oh, it was the character.
It's the character. Yeah. It's like, they're actors. They have all the movies because go watch all the work.
But with Kamehir, like you said, and it works because you believe both guys. You believe that he's the little shy crime. Hello. I want to work here.
And you believe that he's this bad assif, lying naked in the pool of water. Oh, feels great to have in your hand. It's like, if you're not going to join me, let me get my hands. Okay.
I know your eyes are going back and forth, but that's fine. My eyes are up here. So for you guys already, Chad, what are your thoughts on that Kamehir and Osha interaction? What do you think she's going to fall?
I don't. I mean, last week we said that maybe she joins him. I mean, that was even before this episode. I don't know where I fall.
A lot of it's going to depend on next week. What the truth on Brandoque is, what if the dinner were involved, especially soul, what are they hiding? To then see where Osha falls. I mean, like we kind of speculate last week if Osha then turns, that's actually too dark sand may goes to help soul, which we'll get to it.
And I'm going to, she's tied up to a bed, which is very different to what Osha. I know some people want to know. Before we get to that, I rather Charlotte, Night Sister, the World was asked, what's your rating for the acolyte so far? I tried to wait till the end, but like if you said so far, I'm very generous with my rating.
If I like something, I'm going to say around eight, seven, I have to eight. Oh, I say eight because last week's episode was just one of my favorite Star Wars TV episodes of all time. This week, although not my favorite, it laid the groundwork for a lot of stuff that is going to hopefully get a good resolution in the last two episodes. The first two episodes I love completely.
Third episode, I'm trying to think, well, that's what's okay. Fourth one was okay, three, I think might be my least favorite. But so far, I'm really enjoying the series. I will get all between seven and a half to eight, closer to eight, I think, so far.
Yeah, I'm saying myself, I feel one of my biggest criticism is that give us an hour of episode for episode 30 minutes, 35 minutes, like what? I'm so proud about it. You want to finish it? No, no, no, it's like, yeah, I would love to have a one hour episode.
Let's have it. Yeah, it's difficult when you watch all the TV series and they're like 45 minutes to an hour constantly, not to compare it to House of the Dryone. That's totally a different show. That's an hour plus then 15 minutes behind the scenes.
So you're an hour and 15 minutes of that show. And then here, the first two episodes were around the 40 minute mark, which was great. And then the other, these last three have been 32, 30, like 34. So it's kind of feels, I don't want to say rush because even though they're short, I'll say I don't feel that they're rushing.
I think it's everything's working so far. I kind of made my mind already. I'm not going to argue about show length because this is unfortunately, this is what episode length, I should say. This is what Star Wars TV showed us.
I wish I would give us at least 10 episodes. If you got to give us 30 to 35 episodes, give us 10 episodes instead. And there was 12, right? And then the Bad Bash was like 15 or 16.
Give me 10, 35 minutes episode. I'll keep my mouth shut. Yeah, I agree. I mean, it feels like, of course, we could have a room for more, like give me 10, give me 12.
And especially because I keep reading on Twitter, all the other Instagrams, just comments like, yeah, back in the day, we would have 24 episodes on a year. Like, oh, that sounds really nice. But it has this from some comments, but yeah, eight episodes. Like you said, we are just two episodes away from the finale.
What's going to happen? What's going to happen? Oh, 24 is too much. I grew up in those times.
24 is too much to me. And it's funny because I used to say that just give me one season. I like give me one season, 10 episodes or eight. I'm good.
I like those type of shows. Don't go over like three seasons. And now I'm like, just give me more seasons. I need more seasons of show and more season of something else.
Just don't go over where I think if you do like 10 seasons about TV show, okay, yeah, it's too much. I agree. It feels like the fans of the format, if it's a sitcom, of course. Yeah, it's fine because you have this every episode is not that connected.
So, hey, hi, Otis. Sorry. I'll be married to the channel. I'm sorry.
Yes. Sorry. Everything's okay. You want to say we start?
If you can say, you want to say a quick start on the OSHA and chimier relationship right now. All right. No, I'm sorry to come. No, you're good.
Let's go now to the other side of the galaxy, basically, when Seoul and OSHA or May passing as OSHA, they're leaving Brandoque. Sorry. They're leaving Kofar all this early with OSHA. I mean, we love it.
Yes. We love it. Yes. One thing that I'll say just to start last week, I was very hard on Seoul that he left Kofar.
He didn't seem to care about Jackie's body or the voice body. He just kind of left and left. And they're like, what are you doing? But this episode, he's feeling that loss so much.
He's a motion to processing the loss of his team, where he goes down to reset the computer or something. And he just needs a moment to himself. And I'm like, OK, I'll shut my mouth. Please be good because I love you again.
We're starting him process again. We just talk about Amanda, Amanda, and she's interviewing great actors here, Lee John Jay doing another incredible performance. Amazing. It's amazing because like we said, it's within the limits of the character, how they're expressed.
Like I said, maybe he's more like fit in the box yet I compared to quite a couple of others. That of course he left Jackie. Maybe he left her body, but he's processing the way he knows. That's his...
Oh, fuck it. I left Jackie's body. Yeah. He's not here.
He gets his F bomb. F bomb, exactly. So I get it's right. It's like sometimes it might be just shock.
Sometimes you're in shock, the state of shock. He left and they're like, oh, he processed it. So I feel like it goes along with the way we've seen so as a Jedi and how he's processing the grief. And we saw it from the moment he saw Oce and Carla.
Like the way like, oh, so happy. I noticed that coming here. Yeah, but yeah, with this. Why?
I don't know. Again, we don't know about Saul because even in that episode, he's fresh again, Lee John Jay gave it to him. His face, like, he's fresh. He don't know.
Oh, he's so sweet. Oh, no, he's evil. No, he's... Yeah.
So we still don't know where to fall. But I'm like, how can he be bad? Because some people think that he's the Sith Lord, either Vanessa or him or the Sith Lord, which is, again, half your theories. They're sorry, I've turned around in my eyes.
But why is he calling Coruscant? Tells them my whole team is dead. Then goes down, basically cries there because he's... Oh, his team is dead.
If he's the bad guy. If he's the Sith Lord out there. Yes. And I'm really, I'm really interested to see how that's going to be played out at the eyes of the Jedi Order.
How's... What is going to be the official version of what happened and go for? Because I guess that goes along here, here you go guys, your explanation why Ke'adi Mon de Things, they haven't been a Sith in a thousand years. I feel like that.
It's like, what was the official version? No, no, that was something isolated. So one thing that I saw someone out there say, which again, goes against what I know of Vanessa, the character to be from the Harry public, but we are keeps saying it's been 100 years since we're the Harry public is right now to where the show is 150 years. People change and we don't know how the Harry public is going to win.
But it's also something that makes sense, but not for Vanessa to live, but who's he? It was that maybe they just been everything on soul and then that's how they hide it. So a Jedi Master was behind it, they just keep quiet. And that's why the Sith are never brought up to the general Jedi out there, maybe.
I hope not, but that's the way that they kind of explained it. But we've seen again going to Harry public that there are high things when they think it's going to help the original. The bigger. That's the greater good, which is going to live in force when Qui-Gon says, just help one person.
You don't and they, oh, we got to think about the cosmic force and everyone. That's great. But that person over there is suffering, let's go help them. Stop thinking about the greater good and just focus on one.
That's what they need. I still believe in soul. I don't think it's a big bad out there, but he's hiding something. That's obvious.
We'll hopefully we'll find out next week. And also I thought that, oh, he knows that Osha, that may, is passing his ocean, he can pull her clothes just right. Oh, you saved me. That guy just got in my head.
He manipulated his sister. Well, you brought me back. I'm like, oh, thank you. So you didn't go full dog to kill him.
And that's why he says he needs to confess to the high council. I need to tell them everything. So it can be the bad guy. If he's ready to confess everything to the high council, that's my point of view.
We'll see. And I'm really interested because everything goes back to from the certain point of view, because I wanted to learn and hopefully we get that in the flash wreck. What happened from the perspective of the Jedi? And maybe it's this situation.
And I've seen that speculation back to the episode of Brenda that maybe there was some kind of situation where there was a third party involved. And people have been saying, hey, maybe the sis, maybe somebody else cost the fire. But at the end of the day, there's some degree of responsibility from the Jedi. And because we think about Master Torrin, it's like, okay, if they were innocent, why he killed himself about that secret.
So I think it's going to be very interesting to learn what happened. And maybe they made a bad call. It's possible. Next week is going to be an episode that goes in a make-up break, I think, series for a lot of people.
Because that truth, again, from a certain point of view. So we don't know if this is false version or is this the actual truth for someone else. But whatever happened on Brenda, it's going to be very important for the show in general. And how we see those four Jedi, how we see kai meri facing involved.
And I said it a couple of weeks ago, they didn't come from me. They came from our friend, I was swamming, which was here, talking about the brand-new episode. We just all go to all these comments in a minute. They can wait there for a while.
Now, we just hear something. And they kind of look to the side. There's no one there. We know it's not the Jedi show up later.
And we're like, maybe that's it. It's the one out there, the stranger. That one, we didn't know it was kai meri. Maybe the stranger was there.
He's the one that starts the fire or creates chaos. Maybe. And that's the third party. And then bringing Varnettra into it.
If she's involved in all this, the only way I can rationalize it. Maybe Varnettra was there with the other four Jedi. We just didn't see that flashback. And he's the one that creates all the chaos.
We know from the previous week episode, when he all this and all he got into my head, oh, she says, oh, my mother was able to do that. I remember seeing that. Maybe it's kai meri, the one that processes. Did I just mention that he killed a token?
Maybe the one that processes the token. It wasn't the witches. Maybe it was kai meri. And that's when Varnettra has to do something to stop him.
Hope not. It's a way. I think there's another party there. Like you said, I think there's a third party that responsible.
And maybe the way they did I reacted led to a lot of people dying. Yeah, crossfire and there were casualties. Yeah. And then they covered it up because that's what they did.
All right, I'll tell you what you say. It may seem to know to not know about what happened on BrainDuck because when Solsé is going to complain, she said, yeah, completely right. She's like, I don't know what happened. And I feel like everything kind of fit into the plan of whoever caused the fire because she was just having this tantrum from my perspective.
Like, ah, you're my sister. You're not leaving and I'm gonna lock you in whatever. But yeah, like Otis said, that's interesting. She doesn't know the whole story as well.
Yeah. It's remembering from the first few years I've been talking about this, Mind Trick theory because yeah, I'm very quick to go to the Mind Trick. This show like the oil went through it a couple of times at the beginning, like trying to get the audience to talk, Sol used it with the prisoner to see where Otis was. He was trying to get into May's head to know who the master was.
So there's been and then we saw the witches, that one, being the witches getting to Tobin said and I think from the flesh from the trailers, we know that also Calnaka gets, quote unquote, possess. So there's a lot of mental manipulation and then goes to the court. Tossi's helmet that Camio has, oh, it just blocks everything out. So I think that's the mental manipulation probably from both sides.
The court is helmet remand with the sensory deprivation reminds me of the magneto helmet. He's like, he's like, he's like, Niro, he put up to protect himself from Professor X. Yeah. And then he's even floating down just like my needle kind of floats and I do not gonna get in my head like he tells Sol.
So there's a lot of mental manipulation going on. So I wouldn't be surprised like Otis said that maybe Camio manipulated May's versions also. That's why now he's been more open with OSHA. Like everything I try with May didn't work.
Yeah, because especially they weren't young. How old were they? Like eight, nine years? I'm not.
Yeah, they were eight years old. Yeah, your memories might be Tossi. Yeah, I don't remember anything that happened when I was eight. I remember one of my favorite scenes on my favorite guy is Basil.
Basil's a little tracker comes in with a little piff. So silly. It's like, how do I plug this guy on? Nothing works and they just, oh, look, I get this much.
So I'm just put it here and then we go to fight. Oh, I'm going to fight May. May. Yeah.
That's the best scene in our series. I love it so much. So silly. So Star Wars, which is why the Star Wars is great.
They're like Basil. Oh, he's so good. And I like that it's a even hip soul. Let's assume that he didn't know from the beginning that OSHA, that May was OSHA.
No, that OSHA was May. That it was May instead of OSHA. I feel like Basil as a tracker. Yeah, of course.
He immediately knew that, hey, this is not the one we came with. It's funny. Yeah, no, go ahead. No, just going to say it's funny.
Last week, he was saying, oh, how did he so know that that was in OSHA? It was May. I mean, he just went through battle. He didn't say no, but like you said, when Basil went into a ship, like he's a tracker.
Yeah, 100% knows. No, I was joking because people assume the Jedi have this Bluetooth. And they immediately, oh, this is the person or they have a Bluetooth on. Oh, yeah, she's social.
No, they're not two sayers. They're not. It's just the first. To keep going with the X-Men conventions, they don't have a professor XL made up points for all the mutants are.
The cerebral, yeah. The cerebral. They don't have cerebral to tell them all the Jedi are. Well, yeah, 100%.
I, as soon as Basil was there, he had a little pip set. And they're going to figure it out. Yeah. So yeah, what do you think soul knew?
Was it when he saw Basil, I mean, clips red eyes or something that Basil told him? Because when he steps, Oh, I mean, May, and she falls down, Basil's right there. I think Basil told him. Or did he just figure that?
I think it was there or when he hugged May. Okay. That could be. I mean, especially because if Oh, she left the Jedi order because she didn't fit the mold, because she was, she developed attachments and she wasn't able to let go.
I felt that he knew that Oh, would hug him back. So that's a possibility. But I'm okay. I'm totally okay.
You bet. Basil wasn't one who a that's not your girl. So oh, Basil, I hope nothing happens to him. That's all we could get anymore.
So that thing with soul, we've been saying, I've been saying there's no way he's bad because he's the one that told Coruscant and he's crying because of his team. But when he power comes back on, I finally has the Jedi there, Mogg, whoever it was. He turns it off. He just sucks up and flies away.