The Bellians built on hope! And welcome to another episode of Radio Rebellion, The Star Wars podcast, I'm your host, Albert Gondadona with us. It's back, my co-host, Audie, it's back here, how are you doing? How are you doing?
Nice to have you. And don't upset, I'm working. They don't like you. We finally take a while.
I'm doing good, suffering, Florida's hot day. It is very hard, we just left all these storms with Hanford the past two weeks, and I was just sweltering over here. I may or may not be wearing pants, obviously, without that. Don't move your camera angle, just leave it where it is, we're good right now.
Over here during the week, there was some heavy rain days. I had to drive my fiance to the airport one day, and there was a five minute period where I'm not shitting you. I could not see anything. And she suddenly looks at me and she's like, wow, I can't see anything.
I don't know how you're driving, I don't see anything. I'm not really sure. I thought about stopping on this how the road gets so bad. Two or three minutes and then you're fine.
It's weird, it happens like that. We have random rain and then sunny. But over here it's like random hurricane weather. Nowhere.
Yeah. It's for example, it's a hurricane coming, category one. You're cool. When it shows up, I don't know where.
I think I'm understanding the memes of Florida people not carrying out hurricanes. Yeah, yeah. Depends for you. But we can always for you guys.
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All right. But before we start, I start every episode. Hey, my name is Alberto. No people don't understand my name.
I was at a, I'm freaking called out a drive through this afternoon. And they all can't with your name. So yeah, Alberto, I get my receipt back. It starts with an I, they put like in Bertha, even with an OA.
What the hell, why can you just not understand what I'm saying? I mean, I mean, when I'm over here in the United States, when I'm asking my name, I always say Jerry. Because people don't understand. My name is Alberto.
People don't know how to say that. They'll say Gerald, but I think Jerry is on school than Gerald. So yeah. And I was like, got a word thing in the DC a couple months ago.
And I wrote down Jerry and they were like, oh, are you sure? And I was like, yeah, what are you fucking up? I don't want to hear my name. But it's funny.
Othi, which is so simple. I used to go by Othi like from high school all the way through college. And at Starbucks, they would never get it right. They were right with an H, they were right with an Y.
Someone wants to wrote Othi and he'll. I don't like this. I don't believe your name is Othi. It's just not a couple letters there.
Yeah, but it's not. I'm sorry. My God. It's very.
Yeah. I hear it because some people just call me Albert. Just I don't know at the end. It's not that difficult.
It's not even close. If they're close, I'll let it go. But this wasn't it. All right.
So let's go ahead and start. No, no, no, wow. We didn't have a chance to talk with you last week. So we'll do it to a specific guys already.
I'm already less than Star Wars and Star Wars on TV. All right. Episode seven of the iconic choice before we start with choice. What were your thoughts on the previous week?
That's the main episode, I guess, where in cameers, all this road, we didn't have no pants. Same as maybe you or they went into that pool of water. What were your job thoughts? Yeah, I have to apologize.
I was supposed to be here. A certain canine of mine had a skin issue and we had to take her rush to the vet. That's why I wasn't here. So I really like the episode.
There's some discourse going around. That's really the wrong way and we may not be talking to a big proponent of that discourse next week. So that's going to be fun and respectful of course. But I really like the, that's why I was so pissed off that I couldn't be here because I really like the episode.
I'm entranced by Kaimir or Kaimir or whatever and how manipulative they are. How it's like that classic state. Of course he has a point, but that's not what he's really selling. For me, it's very much like Mark Young-Rill.
He's talking about the republic and the Jedi who are stepping their bounds and he does have a point and coming to different planets and telling them what to do. But that's not really what he's selling. He's trying to do something else. I really like Kaimir.
I love how he's constantly deflecting blame to anyone else. He's just getting in her head. But again, he has a point. I love that line when he's like, it's so weird.
If you killed me in the battle, it would have been completely justified. But if you killed me here, after I've done that, that would be wrong. And semantics. I really love everything that Manny Jacinto and Lassie had and came up for molding that character.
And everything with May and soul was very interesting. Having that moment of him breaking down with the ship breaks now. And having May, there's a moment that I really like, now we're starting to get the pieces. But when he's like, I have to come forward with what actually happened in Brand Dog, he's like, yeah, what actually happened in Brand Dog?
So she doesn't even really know what happened. So that was what I loved everything with Brand Nest for by the way. So, yeah, seeing her, I don't know what's up with her. I don't know if that's going to happen to something, but everything with the Senate being like, we're going to have to have some over time.
And then the campaign to review or something. And of course, the whole hype wrist space. I don't know what she said. I'm not afraid of it.
I'm just nauseated about it or something like that. That was of course, up on connection to the place. Yeah. Yeah, I don't want to go through everything we talked about last week, but I know everything after last week is not manipulation.
It's not manipulating hurts. It's a different type of manipulation. I may not join me. I will rule the galaxy.
Let me tell you from my point of view what the truth about the data is. I'll let you come to your conclusions. But like you said, you're stiff. Like, oh, you killed my friends.
Oh, she was going to kill me. Oh, but you did this. What's going to happen? If I just kill, I mean, yeah, I can't.
You help me kill two other jellies. You're blameless, I guess. But like you said, that's all the, that's all the, that's all the truth. Like you want to hear it.
So you can come to the side without being forced to it. For me, the biggest one in that's from an episode ago. Like when he kills Jackie and you kill the child. Oh, you brought her here.
What does that have to do with anything? Like he asking you that why does Jackie have to die because of that? And why do you have to kill her because of that? Yeah.
I don't know. All right. That was weeks ago. Like you mentioned next week, we won't have an episode on Saturday.
We'll come in a couple of days before you're on Thursday. So Thursday at 7 p.m. We'll do our act like finale with my friend from Collider Maggie Lovett will be here. She has some great thoughts on her ideas of what's going on the show.
So check and she's had some great interviews with Leslie Headland. She'll be here on Thursday. So that's going to be a fun episode. We'll be starting the evening.
Who's out there in the chat? I see a couple of comments. Yes, we have Brendan in the chat. Hello there.
He's saying that he thought. Wait, sorry. He thought it was a fantastic episode and we can't actually realize what we thought had happened. This episode shows that nobody was blameless in this tragedy.
And I think tragedy is definitely the key word here. We wrote that so much. We owe a certain master on apology 100% agree. They owe him the chat.
Hello there. Hello there. We also have a console on the chat. Our participants in discussion reading the chat.
Yes, we are. We're going to have fun with you guys. Give us all your theories. Everything from this episode next week.
So, let's start with episode 7. We have a mix of the other side on brand is it a truth from a different point of view getting to it. before we start digging it into another source from the first episode we have, people were faced with the pacing, the Bunny episodes, the doof sky. Just watching a live action on high subtitle.
after halfway through the book. It feels like a book so I don't have an issue with people with the way some are talking about the way that show is structured. Do you find any problem with the way that episodes have been going? No, it reminds me a lot of Andor with the abrupt ending.
And the 100 years and very abruptly every week. It's clearly like this long story that's caught in strategic moments. And yeah, it feels abrupt but I honestly don't mind it. Like I know there's an episode in the next week.
So yeah, it's more common. All right, so Lester, before we go into who's to blame, if anyone's to blame like Brandon just said that maybe not big misunderstanding. But I love seeing that. I do in science collecting mods collecting using their it looked pretty not crappy.
Right? That's a metal detector. All right, that's a metal detector. It was so weird seeing go back all the metal.
All the people that working with the metal just go to the beach and get some some lost key chains or something. But I love seeing the it's so collecting most within it's a little bucket. But the big thing to start is yeah, this planet was lifeless because of a certain hyper space disaster that happened 100 years ago. And I can say, Oh, that's from the books.
And my wife is like, what are you talking about? The mark? Back. Mentioned on mentioned is there.
That's a great mention. But all right. So already, did you like to blame? I'm for anyone out there that might be the first time listening to watching to our record.
I really want you all seen by seeing just kind of different incidents or different things that happened during the episode that will cover everything. But I did you like to blame is that big? I don't say this question. But that big question out there this week is who finally saw what happened?
Why did you like hiding what happened on brand? Why is storming killing himself and doing doing the barrage about? And we found out and a lot of people or some people I should say went to say, yeah, they see that I responsible for it. All they have.
Well, actually, maybe that we just had a party to play on it. We'll cover the witches later. But so the R.D.J.I. bad, they kind of broke into the mountain and killed Naka as a lice the door instead of just ringing the doorbell.
So I was kind of creepy following Ocean around and having this quick connection to where I need her to be my part of one and in Dara, like Brandon said, we have we're sorry in Dara. You're a great master. We hope you still alive. But just watching the episode the first time, or the you thought, oh, maybe the J.I.O.
was stepped or is there more to it? And there's more to it. But I remember when we talked about the third episode, I mentioned that I was very uncomfortable with how the J.I.O.D.I. represented that episode.
And that there was a specific moment when they get there, they're like, oh, we have a right to test them. And I liked in this episode how after that moment, Mae goes to sort of like, where's my coming up with that? Like, so that's clearly not a J.I.I. policy.
They don't have a right to anything. So just make that up at the very moment. That they overstep they did. But my main issue with being like, it was a witches.
It was a J.I.I. It's an ultra oversimplification of what the episode is trying to tell us. And it's telling us that it's way more complex than that. Are the J.I.I.
to blame? Yes, they started it 100%. But it wasn't the order per se. The order actually is like, leave them alone.
You've done enough. For the first time, I looked at Council finally did something right. In our confront soul, you are forcing this. So it's, I don't want to go with the bad apples thing, but it's certainly bad apples.
I kind of lost my train of thought. But I'll start there. Like, they definitely overstep. And that was of course the inciting incident for everything that happened.
It's like, like you said, like, Jose San always oversimplification of the episode. And even the discussion on Twitter or just social media in general, I'm kind of thinking, this is the point of that episode. Like, there's not a clear answer. Like both camps did things run.
There was a big misunderstanding between everyone. And people inside each, both of those camps took it a little bit too far. We'll talk about Modricoro later on, and basically soul and Torbin. Or Torbin just wanted to go home.
Just when not, oh, I gotta go get the twins because that, you know, shows that there's a virgin, so we can go home and just do what are you just gonna steal? But was that accentuated by Anisea? We'll talk about that. It's forgotten.
But that's what I'm getting to. It's more complicated than being in the city. No. And because if it was all for Jedi, we're like, yes, we need to kill the witches.
We need to take the twins. They're like, yeah, the Jedi, you're clearly wrong. And yeah, you're the villains of this series, which may be by the end, who knows? But it's not that simple.
But yeah, it started with, and I'll say, I say when it's positive, I'll say when it's negative, it's not negative to the show. Just I think it worked for the, let's say hello, wanting to show. I always say my family is kind of the normal friends that if they like an episode, not, I don't follow too much what Twitter is going on. My wife and daughter, seeing the way soul was reacting to Ocea and following her and saying, oh, I feel it's a connection so quickly.
They felt a little bit quick with the way soul was read, which is the way that let's say hello wanted to, because real life here in my community, something like that just happened recently. I like it's cool. Yeah. So it's like ingrained right now.
Yeah, of air. I'll tell you. But when they saw that, it's like, I don't know, he was acting kind of weird. So if the comments is it that way, it's like, yeah, they want to protect himself against the jealous.
I understand that part. And he's climbing the temple and climbing the mountain. He's the one making the noises that chill out. It's not that important to have a part that one.
And but counterpoint to that. Like soul. And here we can get into other things, but to soul's defense, every time he's seen the girls, what he's seen is them in trouble, of course, completely out of context, completely 100, 1000% out of context. And maybe if he was more in tone with the force and less in tune with his eyes, more in tune with others feelings instead of his own and projecting those feelings to others as as in Dara is telling him, he would have probably seen because in that, I was kind of like, I know, like, I believe you, but I'm not sure.
So again, to his defense, yes, he saw some things that creeped them out, maybe and thought they were in danger. And it doesn't help, of course, maze butchering of what the ascension is. We don't know, maybe they were going to be sacrificed to have a son. Next, a big hole.
Maybe we don't know, but Anisea and Coral seem to love those girls. So I don't think that's what that was. It's, I'm actually still don't understand the ascension, because I don't know, hopefully at some point in the future, they'll talk about the ascension, what that means, all the point all the witches are dead. So that's going on.
I just want to mention, there's some comments in the chat that we'll get to when we get to certain topics. So okay, I'm not ignoring them. I'll come back. So yeah, so I had the missing interpretation of the ascension, what May says is, oh yeah, we need to like sacrifice ourselves for the greater good or something.
Oh, everyone, everyone must be sacrificed to fulfill their destiny. So there is when in Dara's like, yeah, maybe, maybe we have to go and see what's going on. Because like you said right before, souls are looking at mountain and they're chanting next to a big hole. So it's like, I've seen this before.
This is where the dry one comes up and kills someone when you sacrifice them. So again, a big huge misunderstanding. Maybe we'll just talk one on one. Like in Dara, let me go by myself.
If we go as I grew, it's going to be challenging. Oh, there's 50 women and children. So chill out. By the way, that just would comment that reminds me of something I did as I could.
When I was a kid, I thought all adults drank beer and smoked cigarettes. And I remember I once told my grandmother like, oh no, because my dad, he was smoking a cigarette, my dad has never smoked. And she was, and she was like, I can't believe like smoking. Like what the fuck?
And then my mom was like, why did you tell your grandma, your grandmother father smokes? You've never seen him smoke. I was like, no, but that's what all grown up's doing. She's like, no, not funny.
But then my dad was the other way, he's more like too much of his life. So maybe some of them do. Yeah. That's right.
Some cool stuff and we'll break it down a bit later. We just kind of all the time, I like to blink out this dog we're doing now. After he takes the twin's blood, we get mentioned of high income, that we just heard that in the bad bash, staying away still for medical or even high income with that for the twins. That's where Tobin kind of goes nuts.
And so kills and he say, yeah, and we'll talk when we talk about the witches, we can talk about it right now. Because we're talking about misunderstanding and things out of context. I understand so. Okay, he went a little bit before he killed it.
Yeah. He's the one who's wrong. Well, you killed someone who's wrong. But like you said, and we like we've talked in his eyes that twins have been in trouble since he knew that people were there.
Tobin had just got in his mind, take over and he tells him, block your, this can happen again. If we're going in, you gotta send to your thoughts. My mind is fortified. He's ready to go.
Corals, right to fight. She goes into a stance to stab Torben, who put Ignatius lightsaber and he says, yes, I was transforming into this black smoke. Me, who he thinks is social, started turning into black smoke. So he's like, Oh crap.
Something is happening to the daughter. I'm gonna do something and freaking stabs her. Probably should have maybe thought a little bit, but in that state of mind that he was, that he was the only play. So I understand why he did it.
It's still wrong. I don't want to, I mean, I'll blame him, but it's not evil. It's can can have talking force in for center said like, so it was wrong, but mother and I say that was not the moment to take out a phone. So going to real world things.
Um, I agree. Like mother and I say that was not the moment to turn into a creepy smoke once the smoke monster of lost. Um, but I really think she was trying to protect. Uh, may I kind of saw it as a Dragon Ball C thing?
I thought she was meant like instant transmission her and may something come back. Um, I don't think she meant any harm to anyone in that moment. No, then we saw later on, I'm on the coral. I'm gonna do the same thing.
I basically just vanished. I wanted to inside the temple. Uh, then, uh, Hansa saying when mother and I say I turned into black miss, it kind of resembled mother Thompson from the Clone Wars, but also made started to turn into miss. So I kind of thought I thought of essence transfer interesting.
I for sure like in the moment, and that's I don't give soul a pass because he killed her. Yeah, but at the same time, I was like, what the hell is she doing? How would you react? Right?
I probably jump out of the way. But yeah, and again, like tensions were high. I'm not making excuses for soul. He was a trillion percent wrong.
He should have faced consequences for that. But again, it's all part of the tragedy because he is this mother trying to probably protect her child and dies because of it. Yeah. Uh, I love that soul.
He never wants to go to the council. He always wants to act act. And as soon as he does something wrong, I guess I gotta go to the council and do it. You're like five steps behind before.
And then just gonna finish on up with the Jedi for these parts after Konagavo, talking about Konagav later, kicking ass and then he comes in data with a matrix move to free his mind and then basically ends up killing the rest of the witches. Again, I do understand why then OSHA, I mean, may might be having this resentment for so many years. Does she still go the rest of the witches? I'm saying yes, because of the interview that Leslie had long gave.
Okay, she confirms it. Yeah. That's what I mean. But she was she was free in Konagavo.
Like I'll get out in Dara Passover there. Yeah. Yeah. It's I love the Leslie Helens.
You're now giving this big long interview because they she doesn't answer the questions. I put things to ease or maybe stir it most of up. Right? Same time, I wish it happened a little bit later because it's like the day after.
So all the theories of the things we can discuss, like they've been answered already. And they haven't they come out like two hours after we go to my episode. So it's like, it's not October. No, no, it's not.
I'll be honest. I don't like that she's doing this. So quickly after the episodes, I like mysticism. I like, you know, Ryan explained a lot of things, but I like the JJ approach that, Oh, what does this mean?
And him being like, what does it mean to you? Like at the end of the day, yes, it's some reality tales, some things should be clear. But I do like some things of interpretation. There are some the octal thing I don't really mind that much.
But I think you're killing some of the speculation, which is a huge part of the franchise. Yeah, I agree. I wouldn't mind if this was like a month after or maybe after the show end that she gave this long interview. But there are things like even October, which doesn't change anything, it'd be cool to your speculate for years.
And then her being five years, I know. No, then some other TV show movie comes out and we go back to the planet and we find out it's something else that's because people were, Oh, maybe even this other planet from the sits side is acto, but they call it something different. And the jd I collect overnight is not acto. And we just did.
Yeah, just leave it up. If it doesn't come back in the show, it doesn't but now it kind of killed any more future stories with the carbon at least. Hear me out Leslie and Disney instead of doing interviews, get Maggie and do episode commentaries for each episode. Do it like a Blu-ray thing.
Yeah. All right. So we already covered a lot of it, but throughout Soul Sub session, we already kind of was a little bit creepy following the twins, failing this attachment to us so quickly, especially after the conversation he just had within that about maybe wanting a father one and that this is what you don't have a father one because you just want to imprint on them what you think or your thoughts and your feelings and just let them figure it out by themselves. Always thinking that that twins are in danger.
And then of course, we're gonna talk about it now. Only saves OSHA instead of me letting me drop. What's the bad chance I could have saved before I get to that? Something you mentioned before, remind me, someone I don't know what that I follow, put a comment on Twitter that maybe this is the that the team for the Jedi.
They're not the brightest bunch that they say now this is just busy work. This is not the eight in this or not real master's out there. I mean, they're scientists. I did the Star Trek kind of comparison, you know, the prime director in Star Trek.
Oh, it's on the show. Yeah, don't interfere. That's to just stay away. Yeah.
But yeah, I found it weird that he led me to because at that point that maybe just the way it was filmed, it didn't feel like those bridges were collapsing or that they waited too much. Maybe they collapsed. I know. I don't know felt out.
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
I'll leave it there. But I understand he couldn't let both of them die. At that point, it's like, I'm straining too much. I don't have enough force to hold to both of them.
But again, just a visual of King cannot decide I'm gonna let one die or let one drop and then save the other. You know, difficult visuals, basically. I don't know what other options he had at that point because if not both of them were falling into the flaming pit. Yeah, like for him, it's a different goal.
Like I think I have a connection to this girl. This other girl lied to us and probably is too committed to this coven. So I'm just gonna say one. It's gonna be okay.
Yeah. I love that May was straight up line for five minutes. Hey, what's the ascension? And then she just reveals everything about the ascension.
That's full on truth. Instead of don't worry about the ascension. That's not for you. Oh yeah, we do this.
We do this. We're gonna sacrifice ourselves. Don't you just like for five minutes. But let's talk about Indara and Sol and their difference of opinions.
We already covered a little bit. And like Brennan said at the beginning, man, Indara and this episode killed it. I fell in love with Master Indara. Karion mostly like great job with this character.
She's a character that felt like the prime instigator in the third episode. Yeah. And here we learn she was like the only one who was trying for the escalate situation. She's the one telling trying to put Sol in his place.
That was a wonky moment. I will say like when Torvans like we gotta go and they're like no. It's like force portion. Yeah, but whatever.
I really like Indara in this episode and just seeing her you know waving that flag for what the judge would actually be. I owe her an apology. We all do. I mean she was like you said that first episode three is just like I'm like yeah that's a really good first.
Yeah, and this one she's the boss of Rishon. She's the one with the parlor one there wanting him to learn by himself instead of explaining everything. Which other Samra at the same time you can tell hey we've been here for seven weeks just we're looking for a virgin. I don't know why they didn't tell Paul told me what they were doing.
They were looking for a virgin. I know what they didn't tell him. It's like if I knew what I was doing here and then so we're looking for a virgin's and a virgin's distant the other. Oh, that's what that's for us to find out.
Yeah. Oh, no. We gotta it's like what did this happen? Because the story needs to happen.
The story needs to get to that point. So that's what that happened. But yeah, it's in the other telling Sol not just at the end when he she's pushing him on ocean that's a close connection that they have when Sol goes oh he was disturbed and that's why he couldn't figure out with the asset with virgins. I said, no, no, you were disturbed.
Like don't don't confuse Torben's feelings for yours. And then again, don't want to say for think that she wants to be your father one just because you want to follow us. I love seeing that. No, no, no.
No, just seeing two day like masters have that difference of views just what the judge should be doing and how to deal with the father one deal with attachments or whatever in not in a law of connection but just that type of relationship. Seeing two day like total total and then at the end almost get into a fist fight in the middle of the ship cool to see that in Star Wars. Oh, I love what he's like, please naps at him. Yeah.
I think my favorite armament is that then part which we'll probably get to and after Osho's trial or he's like, see, see, she fits and he's like yes, because you gave her all the answers you moron. I think we talked about after episode three is like, he's like, he talks about all those, all those have children like you. He's kind of pushing it. He's literally like going like, oh, it's this new world.
Isn't it fun? Isn't it fun? And like, yeah, it's way better than you. It's not a smoggy.
You don't have to kill yourself. That's right. And you get a cool lightsaber to play with. So I love that they're talking about needing a palamu Reiko that and again with when Soul comes back, hey, I saw this case.
I mean, they do get it. I need to contact the council. I said, no, no, no, I know you want to. We got to go back.
We got to go now. You know, goes back to every time that Soul talks to Bernestra. I mean, that's okay. Come back.
Let's report or come back to. No, no, I got to go. I got to go. He doesn't.
He wasn't. He hasn't learned that lesson. Sixteen years. And then that's where he comes up when he messes up.
Let me confess to the council. Do it now. Stop and think. Yes, and learn that yet.
Coaching Housha. And forming those attachments with Housha a little bit. I don't confuse what she wants. She tells her, oh, and I love this line also.
Do not alter this ghost destiny because you have form an emotional attachment to her. That's kind of hit hard. I think we go to the parallel of this episode with episode three. The third episode is framed from a destiny, we're appealing.
This all happened because it was meant to happen. And this episode shows and it's like the contrast in Star Wars. Star Wars always starts out with destiny. At the end of the day, it's all about character choices.
And here we see like this close to destiny. Wasn't series of choices characters made? Probably incorrectly. What is about the thread said in episode three, like the force doesn't, the force is not this destiny.
You get to choice to choose what your life is going to be. And then unfortunately, it lives to this. And then that leads to that fight at the end. And so saying, I wanted that to be safe.
And then in there goes without thought of the consequences. And oh, I had to make a choice. Before you throw yourself at the most of the council asked yourself why you made this choice. He still has to figure out why he had to work that way.
And then again, at the end, Swain Dara's this skill has already suffered enough. She lost her whole family. Why are we going to put more on her? And then in there, I kind of decides to like to make, I mean, like to OSHA and like to the council.
And then again, that I think that's her fault in all this was that part there. I'm still torn with that. Yeah. Because I think she's, again, it's probably a mistake, but she's also kind of telling.
So like, you're not getting the easy way out. Now you have to stick with this girl. You have to live away. Is it?
And it's up to you to tell her at some point, what happened? Yeah. So because I don't know, I, I don't know, I think it's more complex than just being like this is correct. Because he has a point like you did this because you wanted to force this connection to her.
And now you're gonna deal with it. Yeah. Well, he forced it or not. They have a connection.
So you're also gonna break that now. So it's messy. It's messy. Yeah, it's almost even though for a lot of people confessing that truth is extremely hard.
At that point, it's the easy way out, right? You just want to confess to it. So you don't have to deal with ocean, any other truth with almost same thing with Tobin because May told her, confess to the council or kill yourself. I'm gonna kill myself.
I might talk a little bit about that later. Was it really needed? Harold, just make this point. Now we're always working with himself.
They actually killed everyone there. And yeah, I'll be honest. Porvans, that that's kind of a trap the show walked into when you have a situation like that. The reveal has to sell me on it.
And I'm still kind of like, why? Then he convinced suicide though. Like, it kind of was him, but not really. So the first time that I watched the episode, like, for Tobin, just you didn't have to kill yourself.
I'm even going to a barrage of wealth with the past 10 years. So he's rolling this. He kind of initiated it. So you can say that if you didn't go rush into that tempo, maybe none of this happened.
But there were a lot of things also happening. Like, I think Saul probably started everything before with his, kind of the twin star in trouble always. And then once both of them were there, Tobin, which again, his mind had just been invaded a couple of hours before. He's defending himself from all the other witches are shooting and freaking plasma balls at him.
He didn't kill anyone. He didn't kill anyone. So I don't kill him. I don't kill yourself.
But anyway. I think what I was saying was, yeah, for Saul, maybe just confessing to the council was the easy way out. Like you said, in that, especially, no, now you got to live with the consequences. Like she said, why did you make this choice?
Figure out why you decided to rush into there, kill Mo La Insea, unfortunately not be able to self her sister. And now you have to deal with just Oh, she'll by yourself, no other family. Figure it out, which is not an easy thing to do. All right.
So they're in Brand Dog looking for a virgin's in the force, which is something we don't hear too often. It's great to hear a virgin's in the force. My first reaction was where the twin saw a virgin's in the force. And that is the, the commission that interview came out and let's say, no, the twins are not the virgins.
There's a virgin surrounded that then help whoever created the twins. Does the episode flat out say that they are the virgins? I kind of thought it. Okay.
So when they get a blood result, Tobin says, Oh, this is proof of the virgins that twin saw the group. And that's where he goes. They have just taken the samples, the blood samples and say to the council, Hey, look at the results, the divergence, we can go home, they have to go and get the freaking kids bring them to Curzon, say, holding by the neck, the emergency here, just think of not sample and the results you have proof right there. Why did you go all the way to being homesick, for homesick, to be.
Yeah, going to the virgins, I, where is it? Harrow was saying, I think he's talking about the virgins here is not the twins. It's the Jello tree, like the cave and they go out. I think I agree.
It's that tree has like kind of like that game of their own street vibes. Oh, so I had it. I was gonna ask, is it the Bunta tree or is it that cave where the ascension is gonna happen? Maybe.
Maybe it's maybe that the whole thing is the dark side version, like the dark side cave in the in the shed. I know about it. And maybe the tree is like the tree in octo. Maybe it works with the whole episode of twins and one consciousness dividing to two.
Yeah, give me two virgins in the same place. I love it. Staying the topic of the virgins and the twins, Han saw was asking earlier. In the seventh episode, Ocean and May are stated to be consciousness went into two into two bodies.
Ocean light made dark. Isn't it a parallel to what happened with Revan in Star Wars the overgolic video game? Han saw I haven't played that video game in a couple of years. So I'm not super Uldra duper fresh on it.
It wouldn't surprise me if it is a parallel to that because Leslie has hadn't has thought extensively about being a legends fan. So it's it probably has something to do with that. So or probably that's where she took it from. Maybe May is May and Otra are Revan.
Who knows? By the end of this. We'll find that out. I love that description.
When the blood is the same. Yeah, the twins. No, no, it's exactly the same. It's exactly the same.
It's one conscious dividing to two bodies. Again, I love from Star Wars. He was all this new type of lore and weird voice things happening out there. Yeah, it's not anakin.
What happened where there's just something different. I want to figure out and when soul goes to her, how are the twins created and chorus like, I told you they're gonna find out and we still don't know. I want to know hopefully by the end. Yeah, Han saw how the question here that thought it was interesting.
The question is why Kel'naka let himself be killed by Kaimir on Kofar. Why was Kel'naka drawing weird symbols in his heart? I think maybe the witch has a number on him and that was stuck in his head. And yeah, he probably felt the same Kel'k as or maybe he was taken by surprise and before he could turn skill by.
Just take a little nap in his heart after he ate something. Just take a little nap. I mean, it's weird because he didn't put up any fights. Maybe he's just similar to Tori.
I've been waiting for you. So just kill me now. Oh yeah, you're here. Weird person that I don't know who you are, but yeah kill me.
But yeah, I love seeing the symbols in his heart. I think there's no going to be a explanation for it. Just remember just kind of putting the audience in that mindset. He's still thinking about what happened so many years ago.
And he's just doing his own kind of repentance, I guess, in Kofar, wherever he was. I talk about the high end count, the blood samples. Again, virgins. I love every time I version something weird in Star Wars.
I like when we get into a mysticism. Yeah, that's right. So I love Ahsoka because he gave me a lot of that Star Wars and just I missed it out there. Ahsoka the television show.
So we spent a lot of time talking and blaming, not blaming, but talking about everything that I did wrong. Let's talk about the carbon for a little bit and what role they played in the destruction and this tragedy out there. So Torbin got possessed. We know that already.
But now we got to see how everything played in his mind. Visually, it was great. The way that was shot and the organization extremely cool. And he's saying the only God, he said, she knows his past.
He knows that his parents were impoverished from whatever planet. So he knows not just take over his mind, like read his thoughts, past memories or whatever. So I understand that he might still be kind of my stop for a couple of years. Mother Coral, since the first time we see her, she's ready to fight.
She's telling everyone get ready, the Jedi are coming. Freaking me, you don't want Ahsoka to leave, get mad. The Jedi won't announce themselves where they're going to attack, stop her from leaving. So it's like, agitating everyone.
So when the Jedi got there, that everyone's already itching for a fight. And that's why, again, it's complicated because I get wanting to defend yourself, but you're clearly having a fight with your wife, maybe settle that because your wife is saying something and you want something else on your solution, it's over my dead fucking body. That's my second up. And again, like the whole thing of she being like agitating me and pushing her being like, go ahead, take this match, kid, there's a gasoline.
And I think in that case, she is at fault because again, maybe settle your things with your wife first. Yeah, which May started the fire. We talk in episode three, we don't know. She kind of burns the book or then the camera cuts out.
Now we see that again, by mistake, that book burned a lot quicker that she thought, kind of mistaken later, started that fire that led to everything. But also when Kaimi sort of went toorbing and soul, get the onto and soul session about how were the twins created. And then I say, I kind of goes into all those no-one tasers of yours, I get every day I killed. You want to take my daughter away instead of being raised by a family be raised by an institution.
So she's kind of also pushing all of these. She has a point, but then after unfortunately, she gets killed, she's like, oh, you won. I was gonna let her go with you. She wants to be a young guy.
Why was it putting up old man? Why then you tell him, you want to take my child away? You're gonna take away from her family? Oh, I was gonna let her go.
Maybe it's over with that. Maybe I think she's accepting that OSHA is going, but I don't think she's happy about it. I think she has her concerns and her not only concerns like well founded concerns. Yeah, so we could see and she being like you freaking idiot.
Why are you back here? Because she doesn't stay white. Why are you guys back here? You shouldn't have come back.
So yeah, again, more to that tragedy. Yeah, you shouldn't have brought him here. No, my mind is 45. Not you.
That freaking wookiee that's gonna kick ass. Cool. It was one of my biggest fears every time I come to the United States is saying a bear because it's the animal that's here that's on the border we go through. And I think that was a closest to America.
We're gonna start with this. Yeah, it was horrifying. For those who get away, he just beat Tobin to a pole. Almost played him in half.
I love that shot when Killnock has him by the face against the wall and just turns his lightsaber and the Tobin out of habit, I guess, just turns his lightsaber was able to block it. And then saw just building on me. Killnock and let him go. It's not gonna work.
For his wishes, both of them have to be saved by in Darabat, a great scene. We want to see a wookiee in action. Here we go to see it delivered. I think it really delivered on the disappointment.