And welcome to another episode of Radio Rebellion Star Wars Podcast. Hey my boy Toph, that's Otty, I'm your host, and it's Star Wars Saturday. As we're back on another week, we've got Star Wars Otty and it's Star Wars Podcast Day and we're gonna be, I'll talk a little bit more about that then, I mean, but this is our third year in the Star Wars Podcast. We're gonna have a world where Star Wars Podcast Day comes around, but we'll get into that.
I mean, thanks for everyone for joining us today. How are you doing, Otty? Doing good? How did the pretty chill day?
Oh, Star Wars Star 1, I went to the gym. I'm kind of hungry, but... No, no, that's... That's a way to speed up the show, right?
If someone's hungry, we gotta go, we gotta get on this and we gotta get moving. I'm not that hungry, I didn't win this. It's been a while since I had some of the time. I forgot to turn my light on, because I got to charge it, so it might die at some point, but anyway, it's not too late today.
How are you doing? I think I already asked you, but anyway... How are you doing? It's been a week, it's not been my favorite.
I'll say that, but I had a great email. You know when they said, how does this email find you? I hope this email finds you well. I finally got one that found me very well when I narrated it, and it was that I got an advanced copy of John Jackson's Miller, the living force.
You can't wait to get into that one. I've been reading Skate From Value, which I didn't get sent. I had to pay money, which is fine. We gotta support all the artists, all the great Star Wars authors.
Then also there, and at least I won't wrote this one. I'm halfway, just past halfway point. It's a quick read, it's a nice, young, not even YA, kind of middle grade book. So then I expect any big consequences, but those are always fun.
I'm good at this. You were telling me, you just got your copy, right? Yeah, I got to not try to start reading it. It will soon kind of miss.
I've actually been thinking, I want to read something, so I was thinking about going back to Italy Empire, or I don't know. So I'll probably start there. We'll see. What do I review at some point?
The one I stopped listening to was, so if I was Quest, I got to get back to that one. I got a few. It's still not a throne being very, I mean, it's not a song. It's not.
Very, it's not a song. I don't know. I don't know about this one. I'll finish it eventually, but I have something to hold in my hand, which is, I prefer them.
Yeah, the reason I stopped doing the net galley thing was because I just can't deal with physical with digital reading. Yeah. Yeah. I don't mind the digital too much.
I get an old Kindle, so it's almost like a book. I have one, the same on a very old Kindle, but since I like taking notes, like what while I read, I book point things, it's kind of harder, but for sure the Kindle is like the best option. Yeah. All right.
So before we get into this show, it's sat news. I went out there, not just in Star Wars, just in the entertainment industry, it's suffering the passing of call where there's Star Wars fans. We know him as Chris Karga, of course, in the rugby franchise as Apple Reid. Dylan in Pre-Aptore brothers was one of my favorite movies going up and he's still up there if I really think about it.
So it's came out of nowhere 78 years old, he's doing TV commercial 76. Anyway, huge surprise that he should last for everyone, especially for his family. So I was talking about two of them. I'm going to miss missing him around.
I just want to quickly say like, sure, I am a huge Iraqi fan. So of course, he's freaking up all of Greedge. And every time he showed up in Mandalorian, I feel like, podcast, I always say it, like it feels so bizarre to live in a world where Carl Weather is full of greed. Is playing a character in Star Wars named Greedge Karga.
And I'm really going to miss him, especially of course from Mandalorian because it's where I've been most actively seeing him recently. And he's been phenomenal in that show. So it really hit me hard when I heard the news. Yeah, man, he's one of those great kind of people out there.
And he was at Celebration. He was a joy. He was so glad to be there when he's online, always be peace, always wanting the best for everyone. He's a huge fan of us.
Always a character, we went to miss work. Just his presence out there, what he meant to the fans. He's my everyone. He always gave me this vibe where he was like, I don't get this fandom.
I don't get what you guys see in it. But I know you guys love me. And here I am. Very appropriate by the way.
Yeah. Oh, man, the show, man, the show, man always. So, but yes, and just on another note, like Star Wars was like one of the movies that always had on. But Rocky 4 was like that other movie where he always had on.
That's the one where Apollo dies. So again, just a huge lot. And I freaking love them. Yeah, huge lot of other, just as you say.
All right. So as we mentioned at the beginning, this is our, we do not report in Star Wars, but just a 20 feet anniversary also. So we started on February 7th, 1999. So if you're listening to us on Wednesday, February 7th, when this drops, we're recording today, live before YouTube channel, obviously people watching us know this.
But the actual day will be in a couple of days. But we're also going to be serving today the 20 feet anniversary of the Phantom Men, as I can believe I just said those words. But for anyone new out of the journals today, for Star Wars, what can they thank you for being here. Make sure that you subscribe to our show, either a channel here on YouTube or on the other podcast, like comment, give us a rating, maybe all those fun stuff.
And if you like what you hear today, keep coming back. We always see a world we're having fun. All right. But before we officially start with the show, who's out there today?
Oh, they always been in the chat for a while. Are you going to the mall later? I am actually going to the mall. So yeah.
So to the mall today. And today. Brennan is also having a high Brennan. He's saying, full disclosure, I love this movie with all my heart.
Cool, Brennan. Well, I just watched it yesterday. I was playing the background. I was trying to do some work.
I should do in a lot of work. So all right. So if you guys already, I'm not ready. Let's talk Star Wars.
And like I said, everything today is about the 20 feet anniversary of the Phantom Men, as the first movie in the prequel trilogy when it came back after, I don't know how many years actually I'm going to put a pause and it's so sorry to anyone. Join us with first time. This is always what happens. I said I don't forget to do.
So I just want to since this is again, so it's podcast that we might have some new people joining us. Let's talk a little bit about our journey into podcasting. If you don't mind, I'll start or you gather your thoughts because I forgot to do this. So to me, this kind of came out of nowhere.
I listened to a few podcasts back, I don't know, five, six years ago, where it wasn't something I like, man, I got into podcasting. But one, I think it was December 2019 or on November December that year. And I think I want to try this out. I want to talk about Star Wars.
I hear a lot of people talking about it. And I don't always agree with the way they were talking about the sequel trilogy and I was a skywalker. I like, no, but that's why it's why that movie work or that scene. As I get my voice out there, I want to tell you YouTube, I know nothing about YouTube.
I don't want to be on video. I'll do it. I'll just record myself and that seems pretty easy. And then I started that way.
But then I was editing as I was recording, it's taking me three hours to do a 45 minute episode. I don't know what I'm doing. If I stutter or there was a pause for five seconds, I got to start over again. It was a big mess.
And then I said, let me go. Let me start this YouTube thing. And I did one and it's your life. Whatever happens happens.
So there's no turning back and that kind of freemies. So whatever happens, it's out there. So that's how this all started. I'm going to my fourth year now.
With you as I go, I think almost two, four years now. Oh my God. Yeah, you think 25 years of fundamental, this is almost like that. What was your journey to podcasting?
It was so around 2017, I was very into screen junkies, collider, all those YouTube channels. And maybe from 2015 to, no, for sure. It all started in 2015. I wanted to do a music podcast.
I wanted to do talking bands and albums and things like that. But I started writing scripts for podcasts. And it never went anywhere. But then I got into all the movie things.
I've always been a movie guy. Music and movies have always been very high for me. So I could do it either or. And around 2017, I was like very into the idea.
And then I saw Last Jedi. And that movie, I needed to talk about it. I desperately needed to talk about that movie with someone. So I texted Tony, who's been my friend for a very long time.
And he started filming everything. So I was like, dude, have you seen the new Star Wars? And he was like, no, I was like, go watch it and text it back. And he did.
And we talked about it for a while. And I was like, dude, I want to start doing this. Would you be interested? And he was like, hell yeah, let's do it.
And he told me that he almost started wandering college or something. And never did so. So that's where it all began for us. And we did that from 2017 until 2019.
We're still doing the show. But around that time, Tony was like, you keep bringing Star Wars into every single episode. So I was like, you know what? I need to start my own Star Wars podcast.
And it was a very similar reasoning behind me, similar to yours, because I kept seeing these things online. I was like, I don't agree with this. I think people are missing the point. I remember saying one of my favorite reviewers saying that Ryan Johnson and Jay Day were fighting for supremacy.
And the rise of Skywalker said something and last year I said something else. I was like, what? No. So that's where it all started for me.
That's how I got into Star Wars podcasting. And I noticed there wasn't a lot of Spanish language Star Wars podcast. So that's where I started. But then I met you.
I met a lot of people. I met Maggie. That's how I got into this universe. And here we are.
It's been a journey, actually, out there. I'll keep doing it. There's days I got down, but it's a roller coaster. It's been fun.
So for me, and I'm glad you mentioned that, because I've even talked about this with Goose from the fourth. He's mentioned the same thing. Like, sometimes it's so discouraging. And I agree.
Sometimes I see up as something like, how does this have so little listens? But the reason I started podcasting was because I wanted to talk about things. And I wanted people that maybe felt the same things that I did, maybe connected to that. So I truly don't care if a thousand people doesn't do my show or two people listen to it.
Whatever happens to us. I used to have that same thing. When I started this, if I get 10, give me 10 listeners per episode. I'm good, because again, who am I?
Who cares? I say there's thousands of these already. And then some episodes just go off the rails. And you're like, OK, here we go.
I made it. And then the next five is like three people. And they're like, oh crap. And episodes that you know they're good.
They're just people just in it. Click on it. And then some episodes that cannot be free. They go high.
So if you just forget about it, we have the discussion. It's one that people in the chat love being here. I love under here. And that gets us by.
I see it like Book Club. That's like, why are you in Book Club? That's like Book Club. We talk about things we like.
We didn't like it. It's fine. Have I? I feel like I said Book Club.
So we got a lot of Star Wars books. What I love is Kathleen Kennedy called me like, hey, I listen to your show. I want you to come over. Of course, like a trillion percent.
I mean, I'm not going to say that they dropped that. But that's right. That's what we said. We needed something.
But I mean, we got to talk with Lydia Kang. I'm trying to get John Jackson, maybe on the show. So who knows? It's out there.
They said, I have you. I got your interest. I'll let you know what happens. I heard that before.
That's fine. But I'll be one book because that's the thing. I got to go. If we set it up, we'll see if it's before.
Anyway, we're here to make it. For two minutes. Twenty five years. So the Phantom Menace.
I can't believe this. And I hate it. I hate it. It's a strong word.
But it hurts me when people say, oh, it feels so old. It's been X year from when I watched it as a kid and I do share it. You're like 25. I'm 24 this year.
So just chill out. But 25 years of the Phantom Menace. That's a big one. It's been longer since Return of the Jedi to Phantom Menace than from Phantom Menace to where we are now.
That's, I don't know. To think that the pre-cultural has been out there for so long. It's been mind-blowing, isn't it? They still kind of feel like the new ones.
They do. When I watched it, like, yeah, so it's like, I want to keep watching this. It's so cool. I can't remember who I, I don't know if it was my brother or my, my son-to-lee brother-in-law that, I don't know.
They said like, oh, I think I was watching one of the pre-goes and they were like, oh, you're watching the old ones. I was like, what? The heart attack is what you're saying, still new. And no, no, no, it's been a while since I've seen the old ones.
And I was like, oh, the original trilogy. No, no, those are like, see all the time. I'm at the pre-goes. I was like, what?
Oh, man, that's, first time I heard that. I don't want to hear again. But I was doing a little bit of research, which is new because I don't do research, usually for this show. But I didn't remember that the pre-go trilogy was announced back in 1994.
Were you even alive in 1994? I was alive. Okay. You're like one year old or something.
I was one. I didn't remember. So I can't say, yeah, I remember what they was announced. I was so hyped.
I don't remember. What I do remember is when the original trilogy was released in theaters, in theaters, in 1997, with the special editions, that's when my love for Star Wars came back to the level that it's now and it never left. So when that dropped and I was so hyped for Star Wars and then Phantom Menace was coming right on the heels of that in 1999, I was losing my mind, waiting for this movie. Like finally, Star Wars is back.
We will talk about the dark times between Phantom Men and Return to the States and Force Awakens and Return to the States. It was nothing. Of course, the EU was out there in some video games, but I didn't, I wasn't into all that. So after watching the OT, I'm like, yeah, getting more Star Wars.
So I do remember going in 1999, watching this, I'm gonna say when it came out that first weekend, I'm pretty sure when with my brother, maybe my cousin. I don't even remember coming out of that movie, just loving it. There wasn't any other baggage that we know about it now. Just that first impression was, I love this movie.
Of course everyone was talking about the cool villain Darth Maul. I can believe they killed him so quickly. The music, the double lightsaber. Oh crap, that pop racing scene, all those stuff and quiet going on this weird gen with the long hair.
So remember coming out of this movie, just loving everything that I saw. And of course, things dropped, went down as you kind of savored it a little bit and then we'll talk about how we feel about it now. When you watched the first time I turned 1999, or when you remember watching it, what was some of your initial reaction to it? I mean, like I was telling you, Phantom Menace is one of the first movies I remember watching in the theater.
I was six when I came out, no, actually I was five when I came out. I was about six because it came out in the summer, right? May 19th, 1999. Yeah, so I was still five.
And so it's one of the first movies I remember watching in the theater. It's the first Star Wars movie, I remember everything about it. Like being in the theater where I said, like I told you I remember for the re-r I guess like I kind of remember some scenes in the theater. I remember the posters outside, but I don't remember that experience.
Like, yeah, I remember like trying to read the crawl and trying to understand what was happening. And I loved it. Like, I remember having all the toys afterwards. I remember like just buying the Obi-Wan costume for Halloween.
Like, I love, I was five. I was no hate in my heart. Yeah. I was a lot of participation though.
I started watching the original trilicate at home and like that being like, no, there's new ones coming in. And I see looks that and Obi-Wan as a young person and you know what I younger. I was like, what? No, no, no.
No. No. No. I was about to turn 19 when the movie came out.
So very different reactions. So I remember the movie though, my dad picked me up at school early. So we could go watch it. And so I skipped school to go watch Phantom Menace.
That was awesome. That's a kid that's a great feeling when you get picked up or especially if it's to go to the movies. So like I said, I remember loving this movie when I came out. I remember having, I believe it was my aunt got me the soundtrack from Phantom Menace.
I didn't get spoiled. So it was after the movie. I didn't get the co-agron's noble hand. And she also bought me the visual dictionary, which I left in Puerto Rico when I moved here to the States and I didn't ring with me and now I don't have it, which I am very sad about.
So now with time, watch it before we go. I know the chat is a little bit lag. What in the comments out there? Let me see what I can pick up.
That's relevant to what we're talking about. Okay. Sure. Basically, Brian Lance going over everything he loves.
I don't know what he is. Okay. So he's saying he doesn't mind Midichlorians. Jugger is fine and it is awesome.
Like we'll definitely talk about that. There's a whole Midichlorian conversation going on. Basically, Dale's saying Midichlorians were away. George says some people were born and strongly before us and others have to work at it.
But that's what it is to me. I guess we'll have a conversation on that too. Yeah. We'll go to Midichlorians at some point soon.
So relevant to the topic, Brian is saying I always love this film, but I was in the night off for many years because I was following the crowd a few years ago. I realized that I've always loved it. So let's jump into that point right now because we all see in this resurgence of love for the pre-cultural in general, Phantom Menace. A lot of times it's up there specifically for the people that grew up with the pre-cores as their favorite and even attack of the clones.
All the crowd like me like more revenge of the scene. But a lot of the younger crowd that grew up with these movies, not just love all three, but Phantom Menace are very certain defendants of this movie. And it was about three years ago when I sat down to watch all movies that I watched Phantom Menace. Not only do I enjoy this movie, I really like it.
It's one of the most entertaining Star Wars movies I used to watch in terms of let me just have fun. This is for myself the most horrible movie I can call the whole movie as it's going on. I was doing it yesterday. I think my wife was a bit annoyed, but I just love it.
And the memes I come out of it, it's had a great cultural impact. So now 25 years later, this is a movie like Brandon said earlier that I can defend pretty straight on. It wasn't perfect, of course. I think you still kind of shrug a little bit.
But there's a lot to love. Even if it's not on the top five in terms of ranking, there's a lot to love about Phantom Menace. I think it's held a lot better than people think. But after 25 years, changes in CGI, I think it still holds up.
Yeah, I've had a very interesting journey with this movie. Again, as a kid, I loved it. And for me, it was very weird because my dad always liked the prequels. So I never had anyone being like, those are terrible.
It was like very, very late in my life that I actually started hearing people talk about the big ones because even in high school, everyone around me was a prequel kid. So we got that fight and this movie. Oh, yeah, it's so cool. Again, we were talking about Star Wars all the time.
So it was like, I think it was like when I got to college, like decades after we came out, that I started like seeing all the backlash and I was getting into Spring Jumping and everything. Like everyone being like, oh, Phantom Menace. Like, again, all the YouTube videos are all the movie and everything is that wrong and everything. It makes it terrible.
And I always like felt strong. I was still like, Leslie Hetlet always said something that I used to say a lot that was like, I don't have favorite Star Wars movies. Every movie is my favorite movie because it's Star Wars. And that changed when I watched Force Awakens because I would have decided to like, oh, this movie is perfect.
They want the prequels couldn't do. And now they're terrible. I remember I took them out of my cell. Like I was like, I don't need to watch these movies again.
I'm like, if you live in exist. No, like, probably my first podcast episodes, I would say like, I'm not showing the prequels to my kids. The original trilogy and then the sequels. If they want more, then we'll take out the prequels.
And that was very unfortunate because like, I don't know why I had that attitude. But then that started to change with last Jedi, which was the movie that made my love for Star Wars explode and made me want to get into it and made me want to analyze every movie like deeper. What is the movie trying to say? And that's when my love for the prequels started to come around.
And yeah. So I'm not going to sit here and say I've always loved them and I defended them with my whole heart for 25 years. That's not true. There were times that I kind of, not that I fell in with the crowd and there's nothing wrong with that.
It does happen. And it happened to me a little bit with the last Jedi. Every time I watch it last Jedi until I watch it twice and then at home, it's like, this is a pretty great movie. But the more I heard about it, yeah, I mean, like this, I mean like that.
I started kind of letting that into my head. So that's normal human behavior. But there was a point after this and there was a lot of talk. Maybe not on the internet, but just in radio stations, magazines that were bringing down Fatima, so we're bringing that special Jorga Bings.
And I remember going to attack on the clones because Jorga Bings role in attack on the clones is a lot less than in Fatima. And I like, yeah, Josuka's heard a lot of people were saying and turned down Jorga. I'm good at it because he did that because he wasn't great. He's this left six characters.
So I was in that camp a little bit and I always put that three lot, especially the first two kind of bottom down, even before the single three came out. We're just kind of listening to people that grew up with them. They love. Then you can start getting to that group and maybe I'm being too harsh.
And this is not that bad. Actually, it's not as bad as I remember. So when I watch it again, especially being older and watching all nine movies, it's like, there's a lot to love here. There's a few things that you could change, but not enough to have that whole hate that people put into it.
And I don't want to get into the voices that people say, well, you know, joy or something like that and what to us that we're both at the end. Well, that's a choice that George Lucas made. That's a separate conversation. There's a good one.
But the movie itself, I think it's age really good, especially with the crowd that came behind it. And we'll jump into that in a few, actually, let's go into it because you watch it as a young kid and a lot of people, like we said, a lot of these movies for the people that grew up with it or they grew up with it. And then Star Wars, we all say that it's okay. It's for eight years, eight year old, 12 year olds.
You're using this as a kid. Do you feel that this is a kids movie or does it even think about it now? Is it for eight year olds, even though it starts with the taxation of trade routes, but the main character is a nine year old kid. It's kind of a weird balance, right?
I mean, like, yeah, it's weird that George wants to teach 12 year olds about corporate greed. But as I came up there, it was very entertaining. That's something I always heard. Like, oh, he says it's for kids, but this movie is boring.
And as I came, I did not boring. And I know I never felt bored. Did I have any idea what George was trying to tell me about, you know, crate routes and what? No, no, I was there for the laser swords.
So, yeah. I'm still there for the big fight at the end and everything. It's funny, right? It's the corporate greed.
And we just saw Facebook or meta, like, fire thousands of people and there's billions of dollars on tax credit or selling stocks or whatever. So it's good for kids to learn about corporate greed, so they don't fall into that. But when it comes to, and I get a short, I got my Georgia beans. I can't show that once.
The only toy I have, I haven't taken out of the package because I do not this package, but eventually will come out. When you think about the Phantom Menace, the good, the bad, you want to show the first things that pop to your head or to your mind. Is it the old backlash? Is it your feeling when you watch it that first time?
What comes to mind? I mean, like, I don't know if we're going to get, like, I don't know if this is like one of the next topics I can't remember. In the pandemic, I started watching Phantom Menace a lot for some reason. I watch all the Star Wars movies.
Phantom Menace and Rise of Skywalker's were the ones I question most. And it started turning into my favorite prequel movie. And I think it still is. Like, I really, really like this movie.
It's not nostalgia, it's not me being like, oh, you still like the thing? No, no, I really like this movie. I think it's the ultimate Georgia Lucas. It's everything I think he likes.
It has the silly, it has the fun action, it has the pushing technology forward. It has the film aspect to it. That's not a great thing about this movie. Like, everyone talks about the CGI.
It's this has made a lot of the commentary. It's the Star Wars movie with the most practical model to that moment. I don't know if there's another one more. So I don't know.
I really, really think this is the ultimate Georgia Lucas movie. This is everything I think he wanted Star Wars to be. And that's really what comes to mind for me when I think about Phantom Menace. Like, it's like that epitome of the Lucas.
Yeah. So one of the first things that come to my mind and this also has to do with my resurgence of love for it was my mom passed away back in the day. I think my mom passed away back in 2012. But when I watched a Star Wars movie, she always said, oh, it's anyone with the camera, with the gold.
She called Georgia Lucas because of the ears. So now when I started thinking about Phantom Menace and the pre-calls and Georgia Binks, my mom comes to mind. So that's one of, I gotta defend this movie because that's my memory. I think her favorite one because she does remember that one.
So that's one of the things that comes to mind. And then of course, it's either the great soundtrack that comes with it. I love the pot racing. I wish you could get more pot racing.
And of course, everything I'm going to do is that huge world building that I did. But it's more positive than negative. But I do always remember all the negative talk that was around it when some people tried to revisionist history to say, no, that didn't exist. I lived through it.
So I knew it was there. But I think it's a lot more positive to it. Can I start with a hot take? Yeah.
I'm not a huge fan of the pot racing scene. Oh, very, very, very weird because I'm wearing my bed quite an arrows. Oh, no. Dude, that was what I was.
And even as a kid, I never wanted the 64 pot racing. I wanted every single game and Star Wars thing ever. The pot racing scene has always been one of my favorite scenes. I think it's all Star Wars.
This is one that I just, the flag parade and all the buildings takes a long time. This is a two hour and 15 minute movie. You can shorten that part. You can see Trippi with the flag and the 14 EOP or whatever.
But once it starts, I love that scene. It takes time to build all three laps. It doesn't just go and it's just a ball and take this time. You care for the other pot races like you do for Ben Cardinero and Trippbolt or whatever his name is that blows up.
The comment that was there. You got Jabba the Hutt bag is one of those first call back. I'm like, I'm like, I'm out of the hottest here. It's leaping.
It's a bit for tuna. It's a bit for tuna. So I love that pot racing scene. I don't think it all this.
We need more pot racing Star Wars. Even if it's in the background, just a quick scene in a movie or something, I'm very surprised that we haven't gotten anything pot racing because apart from you, everyone loves pot racing. I know. I don't want you to bring this up again.
Like, oh, because all the hate spot racing. I just don't love. I've never had a huge connection with that scene. Maybe Ben Cardinero is one of the races he should have had.
Maybe I would love it, but not now. My favorite moment in the pot racing scene, it's a very small line that the commentators say that actually Tony pointed me to it. They're introducing all the racers. Like, oh, it's a ball, ball, ball, two times, whatever.
Something like that. And then when they get to Anakin, Anakin, a local boy. That's it. Yeah, I mean, I was funny because I just got here before the show.
Like, 10 minutes before we started. I was at a local basketball game. Like for the youth, my son's friends playing the league and he wanted to go watch. We got to go to a local boy.
So, local one. Local boy. It's so good. The pot race is so good.
It's so good. Yeah, talking about, he's a local boy. I also love when Walter is talking to Kwai. Oh, you don't think Anakin can win?
Oh, of course he could. He's a credit to your race. He thinks so love of humans. He's like, yeah, this life is a credit to a race.
Of course he can win. I love the pot race. I mean, the pot racing. Like I said, it's my most horrible, uh, sour smoothie.
Uh, so let's talk about the Jedi Council. This is the first time that we've actually seen like actual good Jedi or actual senior members of the Jedi Council, actual masters, not Obi-Wan-Wan dying and now into the movie. Yoda's a her and me. Look doesn't know what the hell he's doing.
It's no. Here we have actual Jedi master Yoda. May's window, krai gon jin. Uh, size of 10.
You got the other in the background. You got the whole council. They'll tell you. May's window is like, when you bring this local boy here, I don't care what's bringing, bring it before us then.
But I love like watching this. Okay. These are actual Jedi's. I understand why people are kind of afraid of them.
But at the same time, love the Jedi. Here they are. Do you like that in so dosh to find it? How are we Jedi there?
Yes. My favorite things about this movie is probably everything in. Coruscant, the Jedi, like that conversation with Obi-Wan and Yoda at the end. Um, and I wanted to mention this.
Like, if you can't find our redeeming quality about this movie, I'm sorry for you, but just think that this movie is responsible for what a lot of fans want to see and start with. And what I'm talking about is like, without Phantom Menace, without George making this movie and the aesthetic of it, we don't get the old Republic. And like, all these stories, like that feed into Phantom Menace and feed off of what Phantom Menace and Anastaille, because it's the first time we're seeing that I in their prime. And that's something that I think should be always mentioned, because like, without this movie, everything that, all that going back and seeing the old Republic, how it doesn't happen.
So one thing that the pre-culturally in general, I wasn't at this for the end, but the pre-ulturally in general did great and it starts with this movie. It's all the world building. Between all the planets that we basically, all tattooing in a blue, chorus and of course that we keep going to Kamino and all the other planets in the movie, all the new species that we meet, all the planets, like I said, different type of ships. And then we know we haven't seen it in over a thousand years, so you start thinking, okay, what's happened a thousand years ago?
And like you said, the Jedi in the prime before we know of the High Republic, the actual prime of the Jedi, and then all those conversations between Yoda and it's windy when there's no way that that's it will come. And then we know that without us knowing, and Yoda's like, I don't know, maybe we haven't been paying too much attention. And seeing all those Jedi masters, again, this is not just Obi-Wan and look that we grew up with. This is an actual organization, whatever, with rules and Qui-Gon Jinn, which is this Maverick.
This Maverick, I was saying, I don't know, it's Maverick Jedi that we all fell in love with. It's a long ponytail, always very cool, changed the lore a little bit, because he was Obi-Wan's master instead of Yoda's or people, they wrecked on and started back there. But everyone loved that Maverick Qui-Gon Jinn with, I'm going to do whatever the hell I want to. Obi-Wan's like, well, don't do this again, don't upset the council, you'll be in the castle, you'll be in the castle, you'll be like, I will do whatever I want.
And I'm taking this kid with me, even if you don't want. So all that, like you said, how far the criticism that you want, well, there's a lot of different movies that have expanded Star Wars to what it would have been without it. I just had a very weird thought. Come on.
Has this ever happened to you, Edward? Do you find something about your company or college, like maybe some club and college? You were like, oh, I could be interested in it and you try to connect with those people. No, that was like the spanner a long time ago, or maybe a program in your company.
You're like, oh, this is interesting. No, we don't do that anymore. I can imagine, like, Qui-Gon finding out about way seekers and going to like, like, council are me like, I want to do this. It's so interesting.
We're not programming. We closed that section a few years ago about after this song, but in council, so we're creatures out there. We don't name them. We just don't want to do that anymore.
Qui won't be the perfect way. Oh, 100%. Let me say if all the slaves that I can, maybe have some weird relationship with a kid's mom, but we'll leave it there. And another thing this movie did, like, expanding the lore small things, like things like the trade federation, like, yes, what if the Fortune 500 had a, like, the Senate?
Things like the Naboo monarchy. How it works. Like, so weird. But still, it's interesting.
It expands your mind on what stories we can tell and start. How do we get here? How does it move forward? And even to something like that, we saw like twice in the old two movies, but just kind of looks homestead, more sex, more sex, really, it's common villainy.
And then Java, that's it. Here we have not just a huge fundraising scene. You have the market, and I can smile on this labor. It's like, it's a kid's movie, but he's learning about slavery in school.
So it's not out of the ordinary. I mean, not around the census, I think. Don't get, no freaking bubble. You keep my train of thought.
I just got out of the freaking window. We were talking about expanding the lore. Yeah, I got a mailer yesterday. The elections are coming.
Are you signed up? So, you know, just ignore building something like that, we drew up for 20 years and just expanded. I understand people are tired of that twin, but anytime we go to that twin, we learn more, which is what we should, because it's a huge planet. Like you said before, it's not everything.
Oh, let's go to this planet. It's just one city. No, it's a huge planet with different cultures and whatever is happening. Especially when we got to see the Tuscans Raiders and even the other other in the world race.
So all those little callbacks to a new hope. But speaking about new jalis and all things being new, again, it's Obi-Wan Kenobi. All the Jedi that we all grew up with, watching the real trilogy now play by a new character. I mean, a new actor is a younger one.
Is it gonna fit with what we know already? And it just blew everyone out of the water. Like Obi-Wan Kenobi became a lot of people from the Jedi, like, to yourself, myself, and this is interpretation of people go to it. You and my graduates, Obi-Wan Kenobi, which is this young kid.
Oh, you were right about one thing, Master, negotiations were short. Oh, we got another pathetic life form. But then by the end, he's kicking ass against Darth Maul. So it's this great arc for this character, still kind of a little naive at the beginning to having to step up after Qui-Gon gets struck down.
So when was it when you saw Obi-Wan during this movie that you kind of said, okay, this might be one of my favorite characters. Or what was your thoughts when you saw him? It's interesting because this is one of my least favorite Obi-Wan's. Like I have no patience for his impatience.
And again, it's interesting because he's learning and he's very different from the Obi-Wan we know for most of Star Wars. But I think when I was again, he was just my favorite because he had the brave and about it all. You know, it was that era where things in the hair were fun. So I think it wasn't very into green lights, I was at that point now, they're my favorite.
So he had the blue one. He's the one that beats a bad guy. And he was only one. Yeah, at least I had great interpretation.
It's not you say it's kind of impatient. He wants to get out of there. He spends half of the movie inside the Naboo cruiser or during tattooing. So he doesn't have a lot to do for kind of that middle part.
We kind of started building that character to someone that when the Attagoly clones comes and which are the seeds were all in by selling him. And it's a huge gamble that they took in. Okay, let's create this character that it's renowned. The only Oscar right that Star Wars one or at least was nominated acting wise was not again.
So to bring you on the show. Yeah, I mean, there's no seed in that point. You want my Gregor which was unknown actor is done a couple of British stuff but wasn't huge but got thrown into this and we all kind of really was a huge part of why the pre-course kind of just took off. But it comes to Anakin and a lot of criticism.
We already talked a little about this little kids movie where who was the target audience was why we saw Anakin's journey with this nine year old. Right, because by the same people wanted to see the older Anakin and more time with Vader between Phantom Mena and Sanri Vech and Anakin becoming Vader is like 12, 13 years or whatever. Are you okay with them starting Anakin's journey as this young kid nine year old or would you not prefer to maybe get a little bit older and they don't think a little bit more about the other movies. No, absolutely not.
I think it may seem like a weird choice but I think it's very important to establish that the greatest movie villain of all time started out being just a kid that missed his mom. I think that's what George was going for. I think that's like what he's saying. Like these things that might seem little are what build up if we don't work on and make us explode and turn into a freaking monster.
So again, child actors are difficult. I don't think this is like the best child actor performance ever. But we're talking about a kid like criticism. Can you possibly give a kid like he was 10.
So I don't mind like Anakin being nine in this movie. 100% agree. I had the same train of thought that if you want to show that when Vader comes around the effects that the toys have on you and you feel that you start with a nine year kid. In a sense can be slave doesn't care about it.
He just wants to help other people. And even though Jake Lewis performance might not have been great for the whole movie, there's times it does work. And that's him when he's living with quite gone. It always makes my heart.
He always makes my eyes world up. It's where he runs back to his mom because I have kids which are 10 and they want to do something and they turn back. And if I can do this, don't leave me. Come with me and that conversation between him and me.
It's one of the not greatest I've ever seen but it impacts there what his journey is going to be there. What does your heart tell you? Are you going to see me again? Oh, maybe yes I will.
I'll come back and rescue your mom. And we'll know what's going to happen. Don't turn back. Don't come back.
You just live your life. It's your time. And I can't for sure you can't let that go. That's what always left to his attachment and everything at the end.
And again, like you said, showing that he misses mom even though he's very interfacing that scene with that. It has to be. So what does that matter? It matters everything.
Fear, darkness, all this stuff that you need to go through this. And if it's a 15 year old kid who's stolen, it doesn't hit as hard as a nine year old. It works on so many ways because it also works to a show us like, yes, this is what the Jedi are doing. They're taking kids away and we can have a whole conversation.
It works and look how the Jedi Council is sold. Look at how they're treating this little kid. Turn the first haters. I'm someone who I still think this.
I think and I can turn in revenge of the Sith is kind of abrupt. I think we only buy it because we know it needs to happen. But I think if that's the story we were telling, it would be like, what? But on the other side of that coin, that's also what George is telling us.
He's been bottling this for because the Jedi are telling him to bottle it, not to think about it. Just ignore it for more than 10 years. And that's why when they treat him badly when he's older, he's like, screw this. I'm going to kill everyone.
I think those three. I'm going to say that that's right, by the way. The Civil Treaty. And again, it's a terrible role model.
He is a terrible role model. But it goes to show the impact of this movie and the pre-contrilogy and how everything is poetry, everything comes back. The Harry public of Test of Courage, Skier, Telling Vanessa about Emory. Following the Dark Side is not a one and aberg.
It's a series of choices you make over and over again. And that's what Anakin does, and for sure, it's over again. He taps into the Dark Side to Dark, and he into it is abrupt in the movie. But he starts thinking about how all the choices are made and you put the Cloneworks into it.
Over and over, interesting dark side. It was too far gone. So I'd love how all that kind of comes into playing. So yeah, I 100% agree with you.
I'm okay, that he was a young kid. Not that I get the actor, he acts better than I am. I can. he acts better than I am.
I can so. Again, it's a kid. Yeah. So another thing that I don't want to just jump into the hate, but it's Joy Young Biggs.
Let's talk about Joy Young Brandon mentioned that Joy Lucas had the unfortunate love that 1999 also brought the Matrix, which took sci-fi and everything. This is the one that broke them all this, the new standard. He tried to do that with the first CGI character, right? Never been done before.