The Berlin's Build-on House And welcome to another episode of Radar Rebellion Star Wars I'm your host, Alberto Calderon, and we are back with another brand new episode of Radar Rebellion Talking Star Wars with you guys, our friend Michael Host Hote, he's on its way over here in a couple of minutes, he's like, well, I'm a star, so we'll go ahead and talk to you I'll be happy to be here, I'll be here in the next world, okay Atee one can always join us, right? As I'm starting the show, what are you doing today? It's me, I guess I'll week or something, how are you doing? How long has it been?
We just keep one week, it feels longer, we just keep one week It feels much longer, yes I'm doing good, yeah, at some point I'm gonna have to step out for like three minutes, but yeah Three minutes or thirty minutes? No, no, three minutes, okay, it's gonna be good But my fiance is on her way when she gets here This was gonna go all crazy, so you know we were ready Yeah, we took a week off, I know you said, hey I'll do the show, but you were in an airport I was ready to do it from the airport, I'm ready I didn't want to put that on, I think it's too much, I don't know how airports are on Russian people So I didn't want to do that with you Quick story, now that I think of it, it's good that we didn't do it Something that had never happened to me, the TSA thing where you put the bags up, how was I called? The scanner machine? No, okay, yeah It broke, but my things were in there Like while it broke, so like they took out the things that were entering and the things that had left But they told me you can't touch your things because we couldn't scan it, so we don't know what's in there And I was like, so I had to wait like 20 minutes for the machine to turn on again and a whole mess Oh my airport travel, there's always something, always something weird Alright, thank you everyone that's doing us a late live, thank you for being here, it's your first time, it's your first time, you don't miss any episode Here we are stories that he goes through and he's in his airport travels Comment down below and if you want to discuss Star Wars why, sorry any comments you might have, I like this video That's about it, if you're listening to the audio podcast, thank you, I know it was a rating review, all that fun stuff Alright, before we start, I'll be reading again, thanks to Whatever, people that sent me books, I just forgot the name, sorry that one sent me They'll write and Star Wars, they'll write whatever they're sending me a copy of the glass abyss I've been reading it very slow, very slowly and I think it doesn't come out in October, so I'm in no rush to read, it makes a window story So talk about that in a couple of months or something I'll talk about it Yeah, I'll tell you in my non-spoiler a little bit Oh, you can tell me this one a little bit Who's out there today?
Okay, we have the chat hello there, Dale We have Brennan in the chat, he's saying the acolyte is really interesting show And I have faith that they will continue in some fashion, whether it be books, comics also rings of power season to it So far it's quite magnificent, good for you Brennan Yeah Mo is in the chat hello pre-mo's Oh, I'm out Yep Alright, so let's go ahead, right there like Brennan mentioned There's a lot of talk this past week, two weeks about the acolyte and what went down So let's go ahead, if you guys already, I know and read the rest of Star Wars And if the acolyte, you know it's Star Wars on TV, so that's where we're going I'm not from film, you will be wondering that And today there is one Star Wars on TV Okay, there's a way too long I know it's almost as long as I'm intro So I spend the time doing this on this one, I'm gonna show it now No, no, awesome I'll cut one with two of those because it is very long Especially when you're just waiting for it But we took a break last week Not only because you had your personal things to do, you were out Having your bags scanned for 40 minutes But also what happened with the acolyte this week and the response was a defendo I think it's something that I wanted to discuss with you I didn't want to just have a one-man show for 40 minutes I think a discussion works best for what's going down And also let it simmer a little bit I didn't want to go full-on place a couple of days after I just emotions on check Took it a little bit of time to talk about it But basically, surprising for some, not for others We mentioned here a couple weeks ago if they don't announce a system 2 in the 23 We didn't think it was gonna happen Even though my husband did 23 doing a look back at the acolyte panel No announcement came I thought it was gonna happen since he was there But it didn't happen so my expectations were kind of down And then a couple days later it was, and I say officially Because it was just through the threat to the through the threats rates That it was announced that system 2 was either cancelled It wasn't gonna happen, whatever But what was your initial reaction to that news first? It came as no surprise because as I had mentioned here And in my show, if we did not get a D23 announcement, I did not think it was happening So when it didn't happen in D23, I was like, okay, then it's probably not happening So yeah, that's initially what I thought Yeah, same unfortunately wasn't a shock for me This is a show that I wanted to continue I really enjoyed the show, it wasn't my favorite It wasn't in the bottom of my rankings There are a lot of things in the show that were my favorite things ever I know this thing that I was like, okay, I wish it would have gone a different route or what have you But I wanted this story to continue It was just one end, not in a cliffhanger But there were certain questions that we kind of intrigued, I wanted to see where that kind of led And then unfortunately it got cancelled, so I said, bummer But I didn't expect this kind of reaction from the people that really enjoyed the show That went all out with the Green New Diacolite And like Mo put on the chat that I just saw, the petitions almost the same day I signed up when I was like 2000 And someone said like, hey, check out this petition And I was like, yeah, I signed it, yeah, it has like 50,000, I was like, what? Dude, I'm not one to be, yeah, these things work, while you waste your time I'm not into petition, so bring back shows But when it was like, you said 5,000 was the original goal I'm like, okay, let's see what this goes, I mean 10,000, 15, 20, when it was like 30,000 Oh my god, this has taken off and now it's 70,000 a week we can have That showed that, at least there are people that really enjoyed the show, really enjoyed it And I was showing that passion to get it back, so that was a great surprise I'm like 70 million Americans, I do believe in democracy So I'm all for it, like if you wanted to be renewed, voice it, it doesn't mean it's gonna happen No, not necessarily, but like, and that's why it's happening because I do want to know what's next And to one of the comments you made, I agree, for me, the story of the, at least that chapter of the story was wrapped up So, in typical Star Wars fashion, yes, there's always room for more Like these character stories are not over, but at least the story that started in episode 1, yeah, I was satisfied with how it ended, so Yeah, it's one of the main things we started in the 80s, 90s, and part of the 2000s People were able to just make up what happened to those characters One of the most interesting things in the final is how they had talent that we make with characters that are other show for one episode, one movie Or the story is not wrapped up, and then you make all these other stories, and then 10 years later we'll get a book or something else That's been the way that Star Wars, it's the most Star Wars thing within years to find out what happened to these actors So let's talk about the reasons why we think the show was cancelled, because you can go and find 20 different reasons and everyone has the right to watch it Because of our YouTube video Yeah, it's you, it's messed everything up So again, a lot of other people on this show was cancelled, one of the reasons I didn't jump right into talking about it Were like, see that talks is already found on one, they've been reviewing one video and talking about these shows since before it started Amanda and a lot of the people have been getting in the retic comment, I have comments on that, it's a separate issue of what we're talking about And all the videos that they didn't see, they're celebrating now, look at the videos they're doing, look at the movies, giving them the softwars and the voices, they're agreeing with them I didn't buy that for a minute, maybe I'm naive, maybe I'm too optimistic, I don't think the Star Wars or look at them would say, oh well All these people are making great videos, so let's stop doing what we do with the act, like don't believe, I'm not safe for a second, that's not the reason I think the show was cancelled We know it's been extremely expensive, $160 million, $180 million, and it didn't seem to garner the attention for a lot of fans away from the main Star Wars fandom I think out there, I didn't hear a lot of people talking about it, so I would go to the lower viewership and audience And I don't trust all the, there's all the article one data that says this is the second most watched Star Wars finale, and the next week it's in the bottom of this list And two days later, this is the most watched, so I don't trust the numbers out there for streaming, but I think it's as simple as the show cost too much for the viewers that we got I think that it's as simple as that, and maybe I'm too naive, maybe something else, or do you want that? I'm just curious Like with everything, it's a money decision If the logic here was, this show is this talk, let's not do it, then why did they do it in 2009?
I mean, if, like the last Jedi backlash is by far the nastiest backlash I have ever seen in Star Wars, so yeah, whatever Yes, I know actors get, I know that people have gotten nasty, but the last Jedi discourse lasted for a long time, and it's talking about everything from misogyny to sexism to racism, so yeah So that's like part of it, this doesn't mean by the way that there's a Disney lesson here, and it shouldn't be by the way, but the lessons they're going to take care of could probably be like, yeah, let's dive into shows, because this show didn't have the viewership that we wanted That's something very Hollywood that could happen, but I think at the end of the day it's viewership, and I've been screaming it into this mic for the last, I don't know how many years I don't think streaming is here to stay, at least not in the way that we know it right now, because it doesn't make any sense These studios make money off of people joining their streaming service because of a show, that market is very limited Yes, at the beginning a lot of people joined for Mando, but who else, what other Star Wars fans isn't in Disney Plus anymore, or hasn't joined Disney Plus yet, so it's a super weird model that studios went all in with the pandemic because it made sense at that point, and now they're like, oh crap, this cost a lot of money, and we don't know what to do now, and people are mocking Star Wars because of all these shows they announced and haven't happened, there's no reason for it, because Disney's like, we really want to keep throwing money into this So that's really my thought, maybe the viewership wasn't bad, but maybe it wasn't what they expected, and we don't know what success looks like to these people, because they are very coy about their numbers and about everything, they only release numbers when it's still their convenience Which was part of the writers' right, is being more upfront than others? Nobody knows, every time, oh this study says nobody knows the real numbers, even when they released it, is that viewership in people or the amount of clicks? So every time someone goes like, no, but this show had no idea if that's the actual viewership, so... Oh, they say, oh, the number one show won Netflix, or the number one show on Amazon, but what does that mean?
The number one show is 75? We don't know. Exactly, or the number one show right now, or the past month, or like, we just don't know, it's not like the box office where you can go and box office mojo and watch the actual numbers, so... We'll talk a little bit, sorry, go ahead, finish up.
No, no, so that's my thought, it's a money thing, they not generate the money they want it, and we just don't know what they want it out of it, so it's a super weird situation. Yeah, we'll talk a little bit more at the end about streaming in general, and what we think in my kind of go, especially focusing on Star Wars, but what you mentioned is not typing thinking for a long time, it's how do they expect that how many people have already joined Disney Plus, like 100 million, 200 million, whoever knows? Each new show is not bringing in five extra million people to justify the budget or whatever, it's already there. No one else is all that time here for the people that can't have Disney account to move out of the parent's house, so then have enough money to get them to Disney Plus or whatever.
So that metric doesn't make sense to me how they do it, and unfortunately that's why now everything is going to commercial, so I'm adding ads. Ricks apart, it's putting me at while I'm watching the Aladdin fight sound, and I get a commercial item in the middle about a car insurance that I don't want. That broke me crazy watching it. I hear a little talk.
By the way, I want to go to a comment. They are saying it's millions of minutes viewed, it's also based on people on the Nielsen ratings activated. Nielsen's ratings is not what Disney is using to measure their viewership. They own their platform, they know the actual numbers.
Nielsen tells us their estimates on what people are. Do you remember the Samba TV? It's a platform that kind of gets an estimate, and based on their actual numbers, they estimate too. Those are the ones who have the actual numbers, and they do not release them.
They really ever do. With a so-called, they kind of like, oh, seven million people have watched this, but yeah, who? So I think, again, maybe we're being just naive or just seeing it in a different form of view, it's a number of things. It costs 160 million, every minute the same.
I check out how much it has to do on the same. 160 and 200 million depending on the season. But it brings its out there, the infrastructure, whatever. People are talking more about how so they drag away from interns.
It's the biggest show ever. One thing that I'll be 100% behind, that people are pushing, that's like the acolyte and saying that the fundamentals and all those people have a hand in it, is Lucasfilm not coming out to defend the stars and directors, which every time has been going on for years. I don't... He rarely ever do.
I know. There's like, even my graduate did something, and then the poster. That's you, my graduate, were doing something. Yeah, but he was a producer.
Yeah. And having the official Star Wars Twitter account really doesn't mean anything. That could be me. For all that, you guys know that's me right now doing it.
I have no power. So that person has no power. And actual statement from Lucasfilm, Catherine Kennedy, or someone, kind of a science statement saying that they didn't have to mention the acolyte and the cancellation, but saying that they're against all the hatred that Amanda is getting, especially after the Instagram video that she posted. I think that's something I would call a lot of defense out there that feel that they've been...
I don't know, relegated, because like, you mentioned, this is a very... A show has a lot of different cultures, backgrounds, all the actors, their LGBTQ actors, crew behind it. It's really a very show to be canceled by one, six or no people to be personal. A lot of people said this is the first star warshow that it felt connected to the characters and then to just be thrown to the side.
Kind of feels that they're part of defense or the fan arm. And that's completely valid by the way. And maybe while I go to the region races, then we just... But this also goes, sorry, I'll give you...
Also, also what they've been saying for about three years now, it's we're going to slow down the amount of stuff that we put out. Of course, they come out and also remove this in celebration. What they've been saying for a while, we're going to slow down our output. So that doesn't surprise me.
That then, yeah, fun should just get one six, because it didn't hit the numbers that we wanted. I'm not surprised by that. Okay, let me jump into another comment because I want... This is interesting because I've seen this conversation.
Okay, I'm always saying, paying RTJ 95 million to come back to the MCU and not choosing to invest in a star warshow that people obviously want is ridiculous. Yes, I get that sentiment. However, I think this ties back to what I was saying, and what you mentioned, they are slowing down with Disney+, because again, I'm sure Disney's like, they don't want to continue Disney+, and... I don't think this Eblis is here 10 years from now.
Honestly, I honestly think five, but that sounds far from me, so I'm saying 10. RTJ, just one and a half. 95 million is a ridiculous amount of money. I love that it was 80 million, then 90, I still want to say it.
But that's the only thing. We don't know. These contracts are not government contracts. They are not public.
They are based on, I heard this from this from this from this. 95 million could be the actual amount. Maybe it's with variables. I don't know.
It's still a ridiculous amount. It won't get me wrong. But he just won an Oscar. He made them billions of dollars with his tenure in the MCU, and he was one of the driving forces driving people into theaters.
And B, Marvel is a separate company from Star Wars, and this is Star Wars TV, this is Marvel movies, which they want to get back to making billions of dollars. Star Wars has a made them billions of dollars in Disney+. Unfortunately. I'm not defending the 95 million, it's a ridiculous amount of money.
And I agree, I would rather have the equalized season two than have Robert Downey Jr. as Dr. Dune. Again, the casting is a first year, it's like, why?
And then the amount. Give me a show before you swing an actor. Do you think there was a conversation? I know we're just speculating now.
One of the two sides either Leslie had learned to do this and said, hey, I can do this. They are separate companies, Mo. They are separate companies. Don't get me into business talk.
I'm on a long weekend. I want to talk about work. It's Saturday. It's Saturday.
We're starting the weekend. But hey, we got to have, because the thing is, I was like, Mo, I'm well back. I'm like, they're still sleeping plus. It's all the same thing.
I'm like, no, it's Disney also. But I'm saying, you just don't think, look at this thing. National Geographic, ESPN, all those are only that Disney umbrella. They'll have the different budgets.
I'm sure. All that stuff. Do you think there was a conversation from maybe Leslie had learned to look at women saying, hey, I can do the show, a smaller budget. I can do season two, let's say 90 million for half of it.
And maybe Disney said, well, for the type of show that we want, we need to have a higher budget. Because when we roll nobody, like an old boy or a girlfriend, we get dragged because it doesn't hit that star wars kind of over when you watch our TV show. Or maybe the other way, Lucas, we want to let say, hey, can you do a show in a smaller budget? And it's like, I can't for the type of show, I want to do a bigger, expensive budget for everything that we're going to want to do on this show, going to all these different planets, building the sets and all that stuff.
Do you think maybe that's a conversation? No, I don't think so. I don't know. Mo is saying something that I, it's where I want to take this conversation.
And when I was like, pushing back on her, I didn't think it was going to go there. Let me say, we're going to end up there. It makes a difference to me. I'm just saying, you have one company owning all of these entities.
And that's a problem. Exactly. Yeah. That's like the big issue here.
And I was going to leave this for the end. What I'm going to say is going to sound super, I still love Star Wars. I've been thinking of getting a tattoo and Star Wars is like one of the things I would get tattooed. I still love it.
I would not mind if Disney plus blew up. And the only Star Wars we got was movies. And this is got some weird because it ties back to this. And I wouldn't mind getting a show from time to time, not from Disney.
Like having like, again, this is never going to happen. Having a studio like Netflix be like, hey, we have an idea for a Star Wars show. Can we get the license to do the show over here? Have someone like, Para, and I'll be like, hey, we have an idea for a show.
Can we get the license to do it over here? So the fact that everything has to be under the Disney umbrella drives me kind of crazy. And again, I don't hate Disney. I consider myself a Disney show.
But the fact that it's one studio calling the shots for most of my favorite things is kind of starting to annoy me. And it's why visions work so great. And all these other studios, every has a different view on it and different types of stories about the hotel. And finally, a native vision review, how do they make sense?
It's the most impossible. I love you, I was just pushing back. Most of it. I will talk a little bit at the end of the future of streaming.
Can they license Star Trek Prodigy was saved by Netflix? MCU started Netflix with their level and all those people and all those people and all those people. And people want those characters back. They don't want new MCU stuff.
Anyway, yeah. And then conglomerates in general, all this monopoly stuff doesn't work. And at the end they all blow up. Oh, that's what I'm going on.
That's what I'm going for. That's fine. So one of the reasons I don't think, at least I don't want to think that it was Lucasfilm. And maybe Lucasfilm set something.
This maybe Bob I can have overruled them. That Disney Lucasfilm doesn't just listen to the ragebaters out there. If that's the case, why would you bring this repeat back to the episode 10 or whatever it is with Ray Star Walker, which is one of the most hated actors. I know Finn got the same amount of hate.
And then bring a female director of color, personal color to direct that movie. Why would you even green light this show? If you didn't believe in it. Yeah, but still hasn't even begun shooting.
Hold on. Hold on. There is, I said it back a year ago. I'll say now there is no way that those three movies don't work.
I agree. I don't think. I'll stand on it. I'll stand on what I said.
We'll see. And then you'll still be leaving this show enough to have two books announced at the 23, the art of book. So there was, from Lucasfilm, at least there seemed to be that there was a push to get the acolyte out there. Unfortunately, it didn't get there.
But there was a belief in this show. And if you believe in it and all the creators behind it, it's not because you're listening to the great spatters that are fundamentally on the right, right, right, right, inside of this. I mean, in what's up, we've been in it and unfortunately didn't panel as they wanted. There could also be a situation where Lucasfilm is like, we want to produce season two and this thing's like, we're not distributing it.
We're not spending the money to distribute it in this plus. And by the way, you can't take it elsewhere because we don't you. Well, we'll, we'll, we'll. Yeah.
I mean, if you believe everything that's out there, there were reports and I remember this that back at the beginning of the year in February, there was a writer from that was beginning to be set up for season two. I remember reading that. So, uh, by the end of the year, and finally, in July, we were still talking to director, to see if they were interested in coming back. How do you go from that in July?
You already know the numbers in July because this year, when did you like 16, you know the numbers and then abruptly in August, cancel it. That's where I go. Then if you already know the numbers and we're starting to think about season two and then just cancel it. That's about that looks a little bit weird, but it could be Disney, unfortunately that big.
Yeah, I got my out there, just saying, I'm sorry, we're not going to allow this. I'm not sure what. Yeah. Make it.
It's not we're going to see a lot of that. like bad girl. So what, a lot of people are like we say one day short to come back on what is so is to come back in center for some form. Is there a way, and I wanna say yes, and hopefully this will be a big surprise in celebration that this show or season two will be rework as a movie, just to finish that story.
Like Lando was supposed to be a show, now Superstar is gonna be a movie with Donald Grover behind it. Do you see a way that the acolyte, especially now 70,000, 70,000, seeing as we know people say, well, compared to 100 million people out there, it's not that much, it's not a little people. To take your time to sign up for, sign that petition. Do you think there's a way that this show comes back in movie form to at least say, hey, let's wrap up this story?
Yeah, I think yes, like what that happened, 100%. Like, I don't, what I bet on it, no, like at least not now, maybe in a couple of years, what I want that I think it will be super cool. And you can market it as a Palpatine Vegas movie and just stick to camera and OSHA in there. Yeah.
So I think that could super work, but I wouldn't bet it, I wouldn't bet on celebration having that announcement. Okay. So it will be extremely cool. If it was going to happen, they will ready now.
Like we'll know who will be willing to celebrate. And if they want to get in the good greatest of people again, that I've come, because one thing that surprised me, and again, that's why I didn't want to go straight on and wait a week, is how quickly people were done with Star Wars. I saw a lot of people, people we found on the show, that we follow saying like, this is it, this is the last row, I'm canceling this in class, I won't get invested in it, it's getting too cool. Why do I cut out this?
Oh, it's going to be canceling after the first season. I'm just going to do the books, nothing else matters. Oh, it's time for Kathleen Kenny to go. Going to those extremes that we make for another show.
No, she made the call. I mean, you're going to marry that she's involved somehow. But like, again, I have no idea what goes on after I turn off my TV and what's the show. I don't know what goes behind the scenes.
Maybe they said Kathleen, it's either the three movies or the show and she's like, no, it's a three movie. I think people again just blame me. If you want to say, oh, Filoni was the one that canceled it like officially put this stamp on it. Like, do a show up.
Of course it was. Yeah, with all the interviews of both of them, let's say Helen Filoni, good races and he show me this and we have this great conversation. I'm scratching my dog, by the way. I'm scratching your knee for some reason.
No, it's very demanding. So we cannot hit up on this a little bit. It's about upcoming shows and the future of Disney Plus and Star Wars. Like, nothing else has been announced.
We know that upcoming shows and our season two is coming. And again, and there was going to be five seasons. We know this before we came out. And they got it to two seasons.
People forget that. So it's not the first time that they've been calling stuff because people use Andor as low viewership, not everyone watching. But it was, critically, the highest rated Star Wars show. Well, at this entire room, it didn't have a great number of viewers out there.
So I don't know. Supposedly. But it was a really, I know I remember Mo again. Sorry.
She told me after season one, oh, are you kind of sad now they went from five seasons to two after season one. I was like, I'm fine with two seasons. I mean, the way Andor is, maybe five seasons will be best. But again, they've been slowly kind of bringing down shows.
So again, Andor season two, we know our SoulCaster season two is coming and then after the scale, I don't crew, nothing new has been announced. I know there was a report about four new shows in development, that one I don't believe for a second. Maybe there's talks, I don't believe for a second that they've gone on television. In development, maybe in pre-production.
No. Yeah, after skeleton crew, we have Andor. And that's okay. Asoka season two.
And that's it? That's it. We don't even know if Mando season four is coming up after the movie. We don't know if there'll be as SoulCaster season three.
I think that's it. And it goes to what you've been saying. And we'll go there now because again, new shows, nothing has been in the talk, nothing has been revealed. I don't believe that new four shows and development or that will be announced or maybe any, maybe shows.
Maybe Star Wars series just animation. Again, bad batch just ended great. Star Wars animation has, the only thing has been working for them recently. Yeah.
Just being Star Wars TV animation form and then just leave live action for the movies. Yeah. I have to step out for a second. It's gonna be longer because apparently it's raining and there's an umbrella situation.
So I'll be right back. All right. So, but we're two Star Wars animators. You're like, I really need that.
Yeah. All right. Be right back. Oh, okay.
You know what? No, we're not gonna leave that floating. There we go. We'll be back in a minute.
So yeah. All right. No, save me. I think Andor season two is gonna come out soon.
And what I mean, soon it's early 2025. I think by February we'll get Andor. I don't think we're gonna spend a lot of time waiting for Andor season two to come out. We are skeleton crew in November.
It'll end up December, early January. And I think we'll get in Andor season two before we go to Star Wars celebration in Japan, which I believe is in March. And when I say we go, this is me in general, I'm not going unfortunately to Star Wars celebration. But yeah, I think we're getting Andor season two soon.
And we'll see. Maybe summer. I don't know. Maybe I just want it now.
I like you. I just want it now. I guess. Happy Taliescent.
We just wanted to win. Give me something better. So yeah. So if you have any other thoughts about it, how you would like the I collect story to continue.
If you want more seasons, while you're okay with this story going out in books. And also for some people that's kind of, yeah, well, books are great. Get a lot of backstory that way. But don't want this show to then just be really good.
It's just for people that like the literature part of Star Wars. Maybe a movie to come out or something else. We'll see. Hopefully we'll get some announcements.
Yeah. It's a bummer. It's a very good cancel. I enjoyed the show.
I wanted to see where these characters kind of go, where these stories go. There's so much with her next round. Kimmy and of course, Plagueis. And OSHA, what would she do now?
I don't know if it's time here and with Mary going now with inside the Jedi Council or the Jedi Temple, I should say. I don't know how that would work out. But anyway, moving to the future in the future of Star Wars streaming that I was talking with, all it was mentioned was, is that chance the Star Wars will start licensing some of these shows to other streamers? We mentioned Star Trek Prodigy went from Paramount to Netflix, got canceled after one season, season two, extreme high ratings, the fans love it, the brand new side by Netflix to bring out season three.
I know Willow, when Willow got removed from Disney Plus, a lot of people wanted to go to another streamer, I thought it might have been a possibility, but again, going to the conglomerates and capitalism and all these things that we're talking about, I don't see unfortunate way things are now that these things are going to allow a lot of those shows to be produced by other companies or released by other companies, like Whis, that it will. Hotter can imagine he gives other voices, other to tell stories and maybe it isn't gonna tell at the moment. I don't know how all that kind of works. And then could you do a Star Wars show on a limited budget to justify a smaller crowd?
I think that's where we should be going. He's back. It's Florida weather, man. It's freaking so, he can't see it, I'm so good.
No, I'm glad he's not 1084K. I was out on my daughter, went for a walk with her friends out. I don't know how they were outside for 40 minutes. I did something back in my back, yeah, for 10.
I had to change my shirt. Then it rang for five minutes before we started the show and now I can see that song blazing outside again. It's the worst. No, it's raining guys and dogs over here.
Right, so they were starting to talk about the future of Star Wars streaming. I guess the future of streaming in general, you hit upon it a little bit at the beginning, is there a chance that Star Wars such a licensing some of these shows or future shows to all the streamers? We mentioned we saw the prodigical to Netflix that was talking about people want that we love to be picked up by other distributors. It's the way that things used to work in the past.
Do you think there's a chance if Disney Plus is not what it is right now, then the future might get some of these shows in other places? I wanna say no, unfortunately. I'm not gonna say no, I just don't think it's gonna happen right away. I think it's gonna take some time.
I think it's gonna take some more failures, more struggles, unfortunately, getting canceled. But I could see it happen. Like I love it with studios do this thing. Like a lot of old trends are starting to become a thing.
I don't wanna get into like history, but like I'm seeing a lot of producers, writers, and directors signing exclusivity contracts with certain studios. And that's something from like the 60s and 50s. Like actors would go to Warner Brothers because they wanted to work with X director and they would sign actors with sign exclusivity contracts with them. So a lot of old trends to come back like were it with streaming streaming to kill cable and cable A hasn't died and B streaming and it's okay with basically.
So I could honestly see it happen. I also wanted to comment like, I know it's far fetched, but like also keep in mind like a show getting canceled is in the end. Colin Wars got canceled three times. It wasn't Cartoon Cartoon Network, it got canceled and it went to Netflix.
It got canceled and then it went back to this and close. So hopefully, yeah, I mean streaming, it's we'll get to my final question. But do you think we can you justify a smaller budget? Sorry, can you do a sour show and a smaller budget to then justify a smaller crowd, which is we've talked about this for movies, right?
So low shooting, of course, $200 million. Whatever movie comes naturally, it goes 300 million and you need to make a billion just to kind of break even. Think there's a chance for some of these shows to just do a smaller show, $50 million, $70 million and then justify you get a smaller crowd. It won't be galactic wide consequences out.
They just a smaller show. I think maybe, if you think, for example, Percy Jackson, I really thought that had like a huge audience, but it had its audience. So I don't know what the budget for that show was. So maybe like that's like a perfect example of that.
However, I think with Disney Plus, like the main issue right now is that and it's happening with most of the streamers, the studios are so desperate to get back their investment. Like they made billions and billions of dollars of investments in these platforms. And they're so desperate to get a fact that I just don't think that Star Wars is the one like if we're going to do this niche show, like no, Star Wars is our multi-billion dollar, we paid $4 billion this hours. We're not making small anything.
But it's visions. Yeah, visions is probably another example of that. And even Book of Boba Fett, that the story itself is kind of a contained story. You don't need a $100 million show to tell the story.
And I know some people hated it, but you got Boba Fett writing a rank called why Dean Jaren is fighting this giant scorpion joint. You know what it's going to work. Well, I think you can, but I think Star Wars is showing great in people. I mean, that's also why I don't, I am not everyone that didn't enjoy the acolyte hated for racist reasons.
Some people just didn't enjoy the story because, now I just want to say, but for a lot of people, Star Wars is this big, epic thing out there and acolyte wasn't. And I think that can also throw people out. I know we've talked to you like Star Wars, you can do 30 different types of stories, 30 different types of themes, not everything has to be galactic empire against the rebels, but for a lot of people, that's what Star Wars is. It's Jedi versus Sith and the Empire dominating someone.
And the smallest story doesn't feel like Star Wars. Maybe that's why some people didn't connect to it. And that's totally fine, by the way. I always say like, you can not like the Agolyte, just don't be a dick about it.
I mean, that's what we always say. But like I kind of mentioned it, like, and this actually happened the other day, I was watching the trailer for all the sequel trailer movies and of course, those movies have like a lot of baggage to them. But I was thinking like, I haven't been this excited for anything in a while. Like, Ahsoka kind of got me there with the far, far away episode that Kenobi showed definitely got me there.
But like, think about everything we've gotten. Like, I love Andor. I loved Acolyte. But it hasn't gotten me to that level of excitement.
I thought suddenly had this Thanos now. Like, maybe it's time for Star Wars to take a break and make us wait because we don't behave as fans. Oh, no. I mean, if we want to just talk about the failure of the fandom, that's maybe we're even part of it.
Who knows? But I agree because for the Acolyte, we've spent more than years how excited we were for the show. And everything I came behind all these stories is going to be about how the dogs are being hide. And every time the trailer's got us all hyped, and we enjoyed it, but maybe it wasn't the story that we kind of were hoping for.
No, I'll push back with that. Like, for me, Acolyte lived up to what I wanted. But I just came to the realization that nothing has gotten me to that level of sitting down for four seconds. And maybe nothing ever will, but nothing has gotten me to the sitting down for right of Skywater.
Like regardless of it's like, go to battle. But like, the excitement of sitting down that day I haven't gotten there in a while. I remember, I think I told this story forward. When I was the last year, the second time that I watched it, I went with my brother-in-law.
We went to the iMac, my first time in iMac. And when they get Lucas from most hours, I'm like, he ain't gonna start. I've watched it like two days before. It's coming.
And I don't love the last year that I like to do. But I was still freaking excited because the start was out there. We need to get back to that. Hopefully the move, I don't know if Mando will do it.
I think we'll get there for some people. We'll see. Maybe after Mando comes out. And again, it's why we have Mando in May 20, 26, and then over in December.
I think they're pushing the other one. What else? I don't know what's the thing. Anyway, it's out.
And again, streaming can, you've been saying it for weeks and months here. And now doubling down on your stock about it. That it's not dying, but it's not what it used to be. And you can see with so many shows out there getting short and seasons.
Even recent, how's your dragons? For season 10 episodes? No, eight episodes. It's strange things.
Even though they're, and I wanna have episodes, they kind of showed the seasons. Oh, we're doing point one and point two. And then this other show that used to be 10 episodes. Sorry, last thing is Umbrella Academy, which I love.
This last season, the last season to finish just six episodes. So they're just listening to us. Like a lot of these streamers are cutting down how much they're pulling out the shows. And this is like a super old example.
I'm watching the West Wing. That show was an hour long and each season had 22 episodes. And of course, that's from a long time ago. I know that you love Lost, right?
You're a lost fan? Lost 24. 24 was 24 episodes one hour each. My daughter started watching Lost like two weeks ago.
Weren't season two, I hate it. I don't hate it. I hate some of the characters. Cause I'm the person that's just watching them.
So like, how do you miss the movie? What were those two characters in? Paolo and I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know. They're going out. I don't have one character that to me like you would ask. Whoever is the guy, the blonde guy that missed the glasses.
Ah, I wasn't. Starts with a W. Also, Walker is not Walker. Anyway.
Oh, sorry. Sorry. He was the only character I like. I think he acts like people with that.
Has this lost talk now? Yeah, sorry. Darmine is frustrated when I watch it. Anyway, kind of finishing.
This is my favorite however. I don't know if you hate it. No, I don't hate it. I just hate some of the decisions character.
Every show does it. It just to get you. I hate it. I freaking.
What's this? Who cares? I have to be the leader. I have to be the leader.
I told you to need it to be. But the original purpose of streaming, at least when Netflix came out, it last looked at all these shows and now you can watch whenever. People are sorry. It's brought back the interesting shows that people hadn't watched for five, ten years.
And now it's not really the opposite. If you don't watch something that first week, it's almost like when movies come out. If you don't hit in the premiere weekend, then your movie is done. And it seems that shows it the same thing now.
If that first season is not the highest rate, I'm sorry. We're done. When you said shows you to be 22 or 24 episodes, they had a pilot episode to see you got picked up. That doesn't exist anymore.
Now you get to do a whole season. And then it doesn't work. Okay, I'm sorry. Every show needs time to breathe and it needs time to get an audience.
But this model of streaming doesn't allow that. And it's going to keep breaking down what streaming was before to one is now. Like you've been saying in ten years, some of these won't exist anymore. Basically the first season is the pilot now.
Yes, I know. That sucks. And don't get me wrong. I've seen a lot of people be like, oh, if this show didn't get a second chance, like, yeah, a lot of shows struggle at the beginning quality-wise.
But they had the viewership to sustain having a second season. Again, I get the sentiment. I totally get it. But it's not pre-ten.
There weren't a bunch of shows back in the day that got canceled after one season. It happened constantly. And it usually weren't great. We're never allowed a second season to go in.
And the show's about great. The first season, we're like, why is it still going on? Cancellis. A lot of people use the office as an example.
The first season of the office is pretty great. The office can go. Like season six, seven, we're kind of throwing numbers. Like seven and eight.
The office is great. The office is longer-fears. It's the best out there. Be careful.
Any final thoughts or comments from the chat as we finish our Star Wars talk? Greg is in the chat. Greg's saying Rogue One was the high point in my opinion. I love that film.
That's what I want people to think about. And it's how about the movie as a whole. Because the movie does drive that high sometimes. But just sitting down and being about to watch it without knowing what's going to happen.
Think about that excitement. Think about when was the last time you felt like that. It's probably been a long time. Or maybe not.
Maybe the act is the highest point for you. Awesome. It sucks that I got canceled. It really sucks.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It has to wait for all episodes to drop sign up. Yeah.
What a lot of people do is it even makes less sense to cancel a show if it didn't get- If it didn't get that, you want it. So again, it's super weird by the way, Edward. You kind of hinted at this. I feel like Breaking Bad was saved because of Netflix.
A lot of people like me found the show because it wasn't Netflix. And that drove its audience massively. And by the end, it was the biggest show at that time. It's super weird.
For me, what's it working there? I didn't have cable because I canceled my hard case. I got Netflix working there. One season behind.
So I was always one season behind. But it drove me to that show. Three about six or seven. And then I dropped off.
But it was because I was able to get it and watch four seasons at once. I said, this is the greatest show right now. I understand where people are loving it. So session, I got into it when season three came out.
I got into it because of the Logan episode. I saw that hype for that. Okay. I watched it.
One of the last episodes of it. But we didn't have AMC in Puerto Rico. So I read the section of the limitation. I was expired on that.
Okay. And that's it. Yeah. And then when it came to Netflix, the next one, I could watch it finally.
HD and everything. Yeah. So yeah, streaming is all your fault. We got it.
On Star Wars, we go to something else. So Star Wars in a world between fandoms. What between fandoms out there now? What are you making your hand?
This is the perfect example of the inverse because this is a show of death faces being like, Lord of the Rings is my favorite book. How about I throw every single cent at this? I don't care. This shows for me.
Yeah. And I hate billionaires. I love this. Just for this.
Because I ring of power season one is my favorite show of 2022. We have Android, Hasoli Dragon, Risapower. Hasoli Dragon, part of that show of the three. But Risapower was my favorite.
So I've been so excited to finally go back to Middle Earth, go to this time period. And we got three episodes that drop, which I'm not just to get to because now that season is going to end a little bit sooner. But man, I just love this world so much. And even though I'll say it, I've watched it twice now all the episodes.
When I finished episode three the first time, I was a bit let down in terms, compared to season one, episode three. I'm like, this is a great thing. I want to live there because it was new. I got to hear the words Valinor and Sauron and Morgoth.
And we're going to all of this. And Numenor. And see it when we saw Coruscant for the first time and Camino were like, oh my God. We're so here in all the other and seeing those with first time.
Just going to blow my mind. So now season two and I'm like, okay, yeah, I know what Numenor is. So I'm like, I'm not a spectator for this story. It was up here, the highest one.
So I'm like, it's good, but I don't feel like I feel the first time. After all my emotions went down, I watched it all of them a second time. I'm like, okay, no, I'm good now. I'm good.
There's some stories I love so much. I want to get to those right quick. And all this time, like, okay, let's move along. And that's what's my issue with that first time.
I watch it. Watching them a second time. I didn't have those problems. But just overall, your first watch, I know you just kind of had to rush through them.
That's what we were getting for the show today. So I think it's time. We're not live on it. I liked it.
But I kind of thought it was fine. But I kind of felt this way with the first season. I remember it took me a while to buy the end. I was super on board.
And this also happens with the Lord of the Rings movies, by the way. It takes so long for things to actually like, it's not that nothing is happening. Things are happening. We already got Amazon.
And they're already making the other rings. What? That's why I like already episode three and the two are already made. Like, they can't.
To me, it's like a lot of storylines right now that they're jamming into it. Like trying to get it moving quicker, bringing all these storylines into fruition so quickly. I can history episodes. I think giving us all three that first week feels rushed.
For me, with Amazon, too, like, okay, things are moving. And then in episode three, it's like, wait, here's the still there's like, oh, right. Like, the still there's still lost and, oh, shit, no one where. So it was weird for me.
Like, it took so long to establish everything. But again, I wasn't like bothered by it. The show was beautiful. Like, it looks amazing.
But I just think it was kind of slow to like, get started. And that was a lot of like, wait, wait, how did Hal brand and collateral meet? And I helped to like, go back to the show to the stake you back to how that happens. Oh, yeah.
So again, I thought it was good, but I'm not frustrated by it because again, the first, it's a very similar reaction to the first season. Start this though. And I'm ready for it to pick up. I think on both seasons, the first episode, probably the best so far, but at this point, by episode one of season one, especially with that intro, that prologue, just kind of brought it on all this is the greatest thing ever.
So cool. And I want to go back to it. And I enjoy it. And also, 20 minutes, I timed it.
20 minutes, that introduction of how Sarah was killed by other and get to where you went. Yeah. So 20 minutes together, which is a long time ago to do, what happened if you want some back, sorry. I've seen the original Sarah, and if we want how angry he got when all the always were challenging him and then, hey, I'm just going, I'm just going to kill you and do so much children.
But Sarah, that manipulator, that conniving guy just turning to a motion killing everything and just sliding down the snow. But for me, turning into Venom. Basically everything with Galadriel and Elrond, I'm like blue to the screen. So far, that's my favorite interaction, the favorite character moments right now, the two of them.
And everything happening with the elves and King Galad and now with Kyrian. And then you bring of course Galadriel with Helpland and with Anatolys also. But everything, Elrond is my favorite character so far this season. Because we've seen a lot of the rings.
We know what happens. So it's like, yes, that's the issue. But I also understand Galadriel, like, I don't. I don't understand her point in terms.
Like Elrond, I know what you're fearful using these rings. But the other option is that we all die basically, like King Galadriel. So we need to risk it. And I love it when he, even from season one, is how much Galadriel and Elrond go back and forth.
You know, they show people, oh, I didn't want to hurt you. I'm just not going to say what I'm feeling. They just go at it. I love that that still carries.
And that's that great relationship and friendship that they have. That right now is kind of being tested. So I love seeing that. And then I got the help, the of that dwarf storyline took me out a little bit.
I just wanted to go back to that. It's so much of the same. Like, talk to your father. No, talk to your son.
No. Okay, fine. I'll talk to my father again. Yeah.
But at least for that first episode, I guess just in general, what were some of your favorite moments or? I watched them like back to back. So it's all melon and douche. For me, I do like the Elrond thing.
I like his whole arc of being like, don't abandon them, guide them basically. So I do really like that. For me, like I was so on Elrond's side. Like this guy manipulated you and you're going to use the weapon he gave you.
Oh, he didn't touch him. How do you know? Whatever. So I just cannot see her point of view.
But I did like, Galad, the thing. Yeah, he did make kind of a little bit of sense. But I love how he's such a man. Can I bring more of such a moron?
He's so full of himself. Yeah. First I'm like, how are you getting duped so easy? I know it's Sauron Halbrand.
I understand. Look at all these moments. Look at all these moments. It's like, it's so easy.
So easy to manipulate. But Sauron just sees his weaknesses and he's like, here I go. Oh, they can tell you. Oh, we cannot let you in.
He doesn't want to see. Okay, let me just show you my bag that's right. And then all the Elrond, I think he's right. I think we need to listen to him.
But real quick, going back to Galadio and Elrond, you still believe in him. My favorite interaction so far when she finds him in episode two in Kyrian's both yards. I cannot let him inside again. He never left.
He still is. And again, for all the shippers out there, when she says I cannot leave him in the letting team again. And it goes to season one when they told them I see him on the log. That connection that he never left.
And you turn back from the line of valinor to fight darkness or was it because of darkness? It's already Indian. It's calling to you. I like that line a lot.
Again, every time you watch Glor the Rings, that big monster thing in Galadio, they were a thing. Exactly. And then my second favorite story so far is the stranger. The stranger with Nori.
I like where he's going. He's trying to find his name and trying to find the staff. We know this is Gando. We got to get this staff at the end.
Has that been confirmed that it's him? No. It's heavily hinted. It's heavily hinted.