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I look at that on and back with us this week. It's like a host, Otty one can already, Otty welcome back on the Star Wars Saturday. How are you doing today? I'm doing fine.
I'm tired. I'm out of a seat there, but yeah, I'm here. That's what matters. There's the weekend.
So you get older, there's always things to do. And this is the weekend, it's just for worker at the house. What were you worried about during chores? It's really a free week.
And last weekend I was stuck doing something really to my wedding. So I couldn't do anything. Doing the weekend. So I had a big pile of two-week laundry to do.
I'm trying to do just a weekend, just cleaning every weekend. So it doesn't pile up. And it takes, I don't know, an hour versus four hours. So yeah, I'm tired though.
It's a lot. I just thought it was cleaning a little bit on the backyard. Sticks and leaves and branches. So that fell.
And then it's like, oh, man. As well, I walk in a Gossip Wing comes down. I'm not going to have that tree down. All that leaves fall fall back.
It's like, well, I'm not wasting my time. But anyway, before we start, I want to give a quick shout out, a quick thanks to Matt and Jay from a certain point as Q podcast for send me this great master soul black series. I want to raffle that they had just for interacting with the show. So go and check them out.
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But now it's confirmed we'll have Stephen Barnes, the author of May's window, the glass of disk here live in two weeks, October 19th. So that's be fun. The book on sale on the 15th. So get it guys, create it and then come back on Saturday because it's going to be a spoiler one.
It'll be fun as always. I've been reading tears of the name. You just played that thing. And you get it.
Um, so I'm going to play it. I'm playing this book. Um, I don't feel like I'll go back. It's right there.
There we go. I have. It's in my living room. But I'll say I didn't read yesterday.
I'm still taking it slow. Have you started it? No, I'm running for the audio book to go. Okay.
It's 500 pages. That's a big hash book. Yeah. But I'm dying to read like get it.
Like everything also. I'll say so far so good. Very good book. I just live it there.
highlight there to be one of the main guys seen with Reed, a bunch of other people that we love, new characters, and yeah it's a different, it's other, it's incredible, a lot of cool information, answering a lot of questions that we've been waiting for, so. You know what has me like very excited and don't ruin it for me, I have no idea what the book is about, like I just have no idea like what the plot is or anything, so. I'll say I didn't know I knew it was just Reed, I won't say what it's about. I don't know, I just say I knew what Reed, I know what we're gonna be there, they're in the front cover, and I won't say, but we got images of all the characters that show up, I'm like oh it's cool that this person's there, but I really didn't know too much, and as you go through it, okay I like you saw it, I love what it's saying, and so far it's even a good direction.
I mean like I have seen like the concept art of certain characters that we've shown up and how they look at that point, so like I have like a general idea because we know that Reed is studying English and the book is called Tears of the Lame List, so it makes sense, but like yeah I have no idea like this doesn't take like in time, we can correspond to it, go to another planet probably, Alright so really we'll talk about it after we're both finished, all right before we start officially with our show, I see a comment out there from my friend who's out there, yeah so we have Dale and the child out there today, and we also have Mo, I don't know, thanks for joining us today, all right and you saw, it's nothing, I think not LA Comic Con is going now, I don't know where is the new one, the next one, New York Comic Con, I tell you I talk about the rain at the empire, the new real good books, I put a little B there, we got a message B there, so that's gonna be cool, I don't know why I see Mo, remind me of Soggy Rera, remind me of the book, so connect it, all right so if you guys are ready, I'm not ready, let's talk Star Wars and Star Wars news, Star Wars news, all right, okay what might be considered the most ridiculous news I heard in a long time related to this fandom space, variety released and article, this past first they began being toxic fandoms and how studios are trying to battle their negativity from those, I can't answer them, yeah but those supposed fans, which is the first thing, stop calling those people and I'm just gonna share real quick because I can just try to comprehend these people out there that manage billions and billions of money in all the IPs that we all know and that image that they use to show what people are complaining about is this one here, which is, sorry I got, yeah so people of color, women, people that identify with the LGBTQ community and this is why people are so angry at Star Wars Marvel DC, has a drag on source of power, how can we combat this, what do we do, look at the picture that you decide to show, to show that there's some toxic fans out there and supposedly the VIPs out there don't know how to deal with it, anyway where were we, so stop calling them fans for the first thing, okay when this came out and also people out there please read the articles, don't just retweet things without knowing, without reading because when the article came out I saw a lot of people retweeting it like yes finally people are talking about, they're trying to find ways to combat it and then when you really say oh no they took the wrong lesson from this, just real quick we are talking about that part and I'm just gonna read a couple of quotes from that interview or that article and they will discuss a little bit more in depth. What are my thoughts? All right I'm not just gonna read it and then who goes? Yeah because there's nothing to build on yet.
So there's two special ones, I want to read my first one is particularly when it's a narrative toxic conversation, we don't even engage, it's a TV marketing executive, like with toxic people you try to not give it to much oxygen, one principle concern is that reacting to this kind of attacks risk alienating fans, quote unquote, who are unhappy with creative choices about a franchise but having to take over into the music behavior so as to you may attempt to amplify friend your voices instead we'll reply to comments that are positive and elevate those things as they execute it. So it's the first thing like oh we don't want to say anything because we don't want to make those fans angry, but look at what they're angry about why wouldn't you want to defend those people that you hire that work for you and shut that down when their criticism is not based on anything. That's the first thing that kind of bothers me, it's that mentality from TV executive, again this might be a low tier, low level executive that doesn't have any decision making or it might be the head of a big studio, we don't know but a lot of people supposedly didn't want to talk to a variety because they didn't want to mow the waters with supposedly fans because they'll just be more critics, more critics of what they're doing. I have so many thoughts that I just don't want to start talking now because yeah and I'm sure I'm going to go over a lot of things that you're saying.
I'll just say this, just to say something, 99.9% sure that this whole thing that we're going to talk about has nothing, nothing to do with stopping toxicity. That's all I'll say for the next couple minutes. Okay, I think it's something because when we talk about the acola getting canceled, I can't even do whatever you want to play it. At least I'll talk to myself, I don't want to my thoughts on you.
I would say maybe a naive, maybe Lukas will, I want to believe that they're not doing this to appease the vocal man or it's all these toxic people that have been complaining about the acola. It's more of a business, it's the money thing, really getting up views of blah, blah, blah. But the more you read about how I just look at them because this is not about them, the industry as a whole, kind of puts them in the back of your mind that maybe they're kind of getting the wrong impression out there that oh, some people are just so online criticizing this, let's just step back and play it safe. And that's why the title or somewhere here I have, I think the title of this video is, are studios afraid of making art or why are they afraid of taking chances or believing in the product that they're trying to sell?
Because yeah, it's still a product, yeah, it's art that we're consuming it, but they still get to make money out of it. We'll just believe in the vision of the people you hire to make, or the movie TV show, books, whatever. But you're saying like, I don't want to alienate anyone, let's just keep quiet and we'll go away, which I understand we say when we're on Twitter, don't retweet that person, they're just doing it for cloud to get clicks, screen share and don't condemn or just forget about them, which is why just block and move on. But when they are attacking, like personal attacks to your staff, to your crew, to your actors, you should defend it to a certain degree.
So at least make a word against anything out there that's racist or big or dirty against our cast and crew. So I don't know, it's like, they have been more upfront in shutting down all the negativity out there. So it doesn't keep growing, I guess, I don't just rambling now. But then the second point, and then I'll let you will talk a little bit more, is still toxic fandons have grown so far, so pernicious that they become a factor of life for many and so powerful that while talent, executive and policy will privately be on the issue, fear of inadvertently triggering and other backlash kept several studios from speaking for this story even on background, as one rep put it is a loose loose.
Those who did that would already all agree that the best defense is to avoid provoking fandons in the first place. In addition to standard focus group testing, studios will assemble a specialized cluster of super fans to assess possible marketing material for a major friends project. The very vocal, success to the executive, they will tell us if you do that, fans are going to retaliate. These groups have even led studios to alter the project.
If it's early enough and the movie isn't finished yet, we can make those kind of changes. And I think just about Sonic and changing ugly Sonic to the new version of everyone loves, but just as a fan of what they give me and watching all the side if I like it or not, just hearing that, oh, we're bringing super friends, whatever that is, to be talking to people could be extremely positive people, to decide what won't make the fans angry. Sounds like the worst idea ever for writers, directors, actors to want to work in whatever franchise they're going to. So, thinking back on what I last said, this has nothing to do with stopping negativity.
This has nothing to do with stopping toxic fandom. This has nothing to do with ending racism or homophobia or sexism and the fandom. This has to do with one thing and one thing on getting people in seats to watch a movie and then have them go to their families and bring them over the weekend and then come again once or twice or anything. This is what this is about.
They are trying to make movies that everyone will sit down for. And if you're still not on this wave-level that I'm throwing into the microphone, I'm going to ask you one question and read the what stuff first movie, you really remember people online fighting heavily about. What's the first movie you remember? It's the last year.
The first one. I know there was a lot of backlash, but because I'm not part of the ghostbuster, super fan base, but the old female ghostbuster. I just remember because I saw a lot of people just go to the last year. And so, once I actually went on the old female ghostbusters, Drew Keanar, Leslie Jones was the face of it, a lot of race is coming, Mr.
Lee Stake coming right came forward. And that, if I remember correctly, was one or two years before the last year. That was one year before the last year. So, I wouldn't say it's from like 2015, I guess, 2016.
Yeah, 2016 to now is where you see it constantly with people of color, woman or whatever. For me, the answer was that member of Superman, which also came in 2016. You know what, that's... I like that answer of ghostbusters because yeah, there's also a trend in these three answers.
What happened in 2016? I don't know. What happened in 2016? What happened in 2015 exactly?
It probably coincides with some moron coming down a golden seer near probably. So, that's the first thing I want to mention. Like, 2016, 2015, but 2016. How long has it been?
It's been almost nine years. Why now? Because if I remember correctly, 2016, great box office year, by memd super actually did quite well at the box office last year. I destroyed the box office.
We had, you know, the MCU was starting to get to that climax with all those movies destroyed. The box office got to marble made a billion dollars for some reason. So, another movie that caused a lot of divisiveness. And they haven't bothered on doing anything.
You know, in those years, I wonder why? Because maybe they were making money, even though people were screaming at each other. And what happened after the pandemic, people stopped going to the theater. And now people are still fighting, but no one is watching their movies.
I really wonder if it's really about the fandom and restoring some sense of sanity. So, that's where I'm coming from. I'm very annoyed at this news. There's a side of me though, and I'll be super honest with this that doesn't care.
Because what's going to happen now? We're going to have a period of like 10 years, maybe, maybe more, maybe less, where let's say at this time, just as it's in the article and they do focus groups and movies are tailored to what fans want. We'll get like a streak of probably pretty cool movies. I'm sure not all of them are going to be bad, but it's going to get super old.
And these franchises are going to start dying because people are going to start saying what they always say when a franchise starts going into the client. It's the same. It's just the same movie over and over again. The reason why we don't do movies on consensus is because of that very thing.
A movie is someone's vision. You might not like it. You might hate it. You might not agree with it.
But you know what? Adverta, just don't go watch it. Vote with your freaking wallet. Don't go watch it.
Just to give an example, Batman. You hate a Batman versus Superman. You despise that movie that movie ruin your childhood. You can go back and watch the Dark Knight trilogy.
You can go back and watch the Temberton movies. Just wait a couple of years. You got the Batman. You don't like that one.
There's another Batman movie coming out in a couple of years. So like, what's this upset? I know I have mentioned this in the past. What's this obsession with needing everything to be tailored to you?
What's this obsession with needing every single piece of content? Please you in some way. Yes, I want to love every Star Wars movie that comes out. I don't.
I don't. I want to love every single thing that comes out. I don't. I want to love every single DC thing that comes out.
I wanted to love Joker too. I thought it was fine. I did not love it. And it's fine.
Todd Phillips said he's not making another one. Why are people screaming about this movie? It came out. Don't watch it.
It'll go away and they won't make anymore because they just said they won't make anymore. So I just don't get it. Whatever. If this is where we're going, fine.
I'm not going to be the kind of person who says, no, I'm not going to watch the movie because I heard they used the focus group. But that's what I think is going to happen. I think we're going to get like a 10, 15 years span of this and it'll die down and then some up and coming director is going to make a super weird Superman movie and the cycle will start again. And we'll have a bunch of creatives do a bunch of creative things and people will get angry and we'll come back to this.
It's so I mean, you can take this 20 different directions. First, I agree 100% that this is all a business decision. This has nothing to do with all they didn't like that we had an African American woman play an inquisitor in the other way. Let's start to super fancy to see how we can fix that.
It was, oh, can we didn't know that we wanted or the acolyte. So people can paint out there, not enough people watch it. Let me see what they really want. And it's all about getting button the seats, socialite, two hours, three movies and go watch our movies that I agree 100%.
And I've talked here also, we talked about it when it's legends were scanned on all the legends books are still there. They didn't ruin legends. They didn't ruin your childhood read those. When people complain, oh, they're going to remake this movie.
They're going to make a live action version of Moana. That's what's the animated one. I love the live action ranking. The animated line is my favorite anime movie all the time.
I like the live action one better. But if you don't, that's fine. Go watch the other one. It's similar to what you're saying.
If you don't like something, you don't have to be terrible for you. We show these super groups. If you get the same mentality in there, like you said in a couple of three movies or whatever, we'll just be repeating the same thing. Nothing will be special anymore.
It's almost, I'll prefer almost watch an AI movie instead of a super fan movie. And this is going to super fans. Because what most people think this means is all the gonna grab all those toxic voices out there and bring them into this conversation. At the same time, if you bring all the super positive people that don't find anything wrong about anything that you do, it's gonna just be a boring movie.
It'll be the same thing. So these super fan don't work. It's like bring 30 people to create a work of art and a painting. It won't work.
Just grab Picasso, one guy that knows what they're doing and they'll give you something. Like you said, it's a weird director will come out or some writer. It's a great vision. It's gonna come out.
Hey, this is what I would love to do for a Star Wars or Marvel or whatever. And then that hits. Like the Batman came after like six different Batman movies, like four different directors. And it crushed.
I went to the movie. There's no way this is gonna touch the Christopher Nola movies. It's right there. And it was the main by concessions.
Reeves doing what he wanted. It was Matt Reeves going like I want Batman to have a Mustang and look like we're hoping. I'm freaking awesome. And I just saw his name, the guy from Andor Tony Gilroy.
That's super fan of Star Wars made arguably Alice wrote, arguably the best written Star Wars ever. You don't need super fans. You need people that know that job that are writers, right? The writers.
Yes, if they love us, they grow with Star Wars, like everyone at this point grew up with Star Wars and want to make a Star Wars movie or something like John Watts that he loves, I brought this vision. We haven't seen Skeleton crew, but this is what he wanted to do. And of course he gets input from people that work in look as we make sense. I can see myself as super fans of Star Wars and Lord of the Rings.
Don't bring me to those who give you ideas because they will suck. Oh, this is what I want to see. That doesn't make a good movie, a good TV show. So when I see that supposedly this is where studios want to go because they don't want to offend people, it's a stop giving and I truly decided you should make it not a thing that friends can go to running tomatoes or metacritic or all those review sites and enter their friend reviews because all that review bombing, all that negativity goes in there.
And that's what people take. Just let the actual professional review, review, and give the review. And like you mentioned, go watch the movie, if you like it, tell your friend and don't watch it. If you didn't like it, tell your friend, maybe they won't.
And talk with you, you should want it to give you a criticism. When I saw your post, I actually thought it was kind of stupid. But I actually think you have a point that has also fueled the whole, oh, are you going to believe the fans or the critics? Like a critics job is not to tell a fan what to think.
A critics job is to tell a fan what they think. And fans job is to find a handful of critics that somehow align with what they like, how they view movies and just listen to what they have to say about it and make a decision whether to go or not. So again, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. We got you. I know I was going to leave it for the next stop. I want to talk about it.
But now that you mentioned who to believe there's a song about sleep now, you know, sleep now. They have a song called Chappleton Rag, which if I know me, taking about these murder that happened. Sorry, it's about a murder that title, about a murder that happened this time, which I believe is called Chappleton in London or something Rag is the newspaper over there. When they say that they found a killer and they knew who it was, but then the evidence showed it was someone else.
But they didn't want to retract anything. It's already found it. We all want to go through it again. So it was so the song is about it doesn't matter if you know the truth, what matters how many clicks you can go and the song is about online, being online, if everything is got online, nothing is.
So once you start believing everything that's online, because everything is right or everything is wrong, there nothing is right or nothing is wrong, because it's just a bunch of information there and all that matters, how many clicks you can get, how many likes, even if it gets debunked, I don't care, just going to double down because that was mattered and that kind of fuels this hatred. And it's just sad in general to see movies or TV shows, which should be one of the biggest forms of art out there, get devalued to this point. It's about money 100%. It has nothing to do with all these things.
We're really tired of solo-stirriotic every week making a video about how they really is met. It's nothing to do about it. It's about how we can get more money into this and not roughly any favors. Can I add one thing?
Add one thing then check the chat. No, there has been posting. It's very funny to think that specifically Star Wars, most of the people that go on these, there's of hating the new things and saying, they're ruining it. And if I had full control, I would bring Georgie in, they want to give him full control.
Jewish Lucas last words on Star Wars, some of his last words were like, I would have made my movie, people would have hated it and that would be it. You might have been Jewish Lucas, someone goes, hey, we got a bunch of super fans, want to talk to you about your movie. Terry, you're just a real fucker sato here. Yeah.
I don't know. I really don't know. We're living in very interesting times and everything is changing at the same time. It's interesting if you think back, like, changes happen gradually.
I always say you can't say the end of a decade is the ninth year. It usually extends a little bit. For example, the 80s did it in 89. It actually ended in 91, 92.
But the 90s did it in 1990. It started in 1986, 80s, 70s. You know what I'm saying? But here, we're seeing it happen very drastically, very fast.
And yes, it's growing. It's been brewing for a while, but it kind of feels like it's all exploding at the same time. And it's scary. It's exciting.
It's everything at the same time. Even to a point like you mentioned at the beginning, it'll be 10 years of days and then things will just get stale and then we'll start against something new. I just wanted to explore the next two years and let's go back to forget about all these franchises. By the way, we found out some mistake.
Why are we doing this? Ish, like this happens in sports, to a way that we just movies, isn't just Star Wars. I wanted to, lost my train of thought. I was looking at what Dale was saying and I'll comment on it, but it's very important to say like, what I'm saying is like if movies are being made by consensus and whatever, that's what's going to happen and I'll watch a couple of it, then I won probably.
This doesn't mean however that we need to be complacent to the toxicity. They're saying the fight against racism, homophobia has been going on for millennia. That's true. That's 100% too and it can't stop.
This is why like, and it's actually pretty scary to think of this at work. I was listening to a podcast on politics. Do you know that some kids are going to vote today for the first time? We're 10 when, yeah, we're 10 when Supreme Leader walked down the Golden Stairs.
So basically everything they know politics is him and unfortunately, and this is also happening in different countries around the world, mainly because of him, because they saw what he's doing. It has normalized this kind of discourse. It has normalized seeing the other people, the people who don't agree with everything I say as the other and we have to eliminate them. They can't be a part of this because this is ours and they have no idea what they're doing.
They're ruining it. And we have to figure out a way to end this because it's scary to have a whole generation who has grown up with this and doesn't know anything. And just my message and I know I'm tying this to politics, but not every, as I said, not every movie, not every director is going to agree with us. Not every politician is going to agree with us.
I wish there was this golden politician that, you know, I went through their platform and I agreed with absolutely everything there. It doesn't exist. It's not freaking real. And I'm talking to both sides, by the way, because, yeah, it happens.
And I think we need to have our values very present in order to fight this. But we have to also be kind of pragmatic without compromising those by the way. So I don't know, I'm not the one who's going to fix this. I'll try.
But I will do at least on this start was and we'll try on the politics side. Unfortunately, I've been living it for a long time and I'm living in the States. I remember when that golden staircase happened and when all the and I get sorry to go in and political now, when all that debates were happening and the first one he was just talking about people and everyone was laughing. Look at this joke.
I had this so fun and he moved on to the next one. What is he going to say next and became prime time television to say what we're going to have to do? I remember the second when we were getting this was in October, I believe, ready for the actual elections. So if we keep normalizing this and letting him be on TV shows and I know for a lot of people, it was Jimmy Fallon, Brofland, he said, oh, he's one of us.
He said, if we normalize this and he wins and he wins the second time, he's not going to go out. He's going to come back a third time. No, no, don't worry about it. It's going to happen.
If we have, we're at a month and a half before we need to, one more. I got my mailing votes. You have 30 days. I got to do my mailing.
But anyone was going to go seem as to what you were saying. It's right now, it's not either I agree with these persons platform, that person's platform. Are they repoling or they're the Democrats? That's the only thing that people see now.
They might have a great idea, but if they're from a different political party, people just, I don't want to deal with it because of all that, those people suffer. And unfortunately, a lot of them stand for this. If you vote for Trump or for those people, you don't want X, Y and Z on this. You don't want gay people to have French.
You don't want French in the world. But then again, like you mentioned, no one's perfect. Then you get what's going on in the middle list. If you vote Democrat, you're voting for that also.
It's like, there's no win right now. There's a lot to lose. So like you said, you got to be pragmatic about it. And going to the movies, like we said, 20 times it's, you don't need to enjoy everything.
For me, it's not everything has to be the best ever because every time I knew we could sell, oh, it's not as good as last one or this TV show. They didn't have the same rating as season one. It doesn't have to be the best every single time. That's impossible.
So just enjoy what you want. Move on if you don't like it. I just want to say this. That's going on a tangent, but if you're not voting Democrat because of, I mean, maybe you're voting third party, whatever.
If you're voting for Supreme Leader because of the middle east, really? Really? Not the other side. Don't put politicians on this pedestal.
Everyone's going to let you know. Don't put anyone on a pedestal. I know that when all these actors, like, on musicians, they, she don't do what if we, someone else, like, how am I kidding? Oh, no, no, no, no, don't worship famous people.
Anyone take it easy, guys. No, like, I 1000% agree with this. Don't. Journalism.
Okay, let's move off. Don't compromise your values. That's what I said. I agree with most of what you said.
Like, and I didn't mention the prequels. That's what you guys talked about because I think I've told you this. I found out about the prequels discourse, in 2013, like, I knew a lot of people were like, oh, that's good. That's the other one.
But I actually was completely unaware of what happened. You know, pretty young where they came out. I do remember somewhere. I was 6 in 1999.
Yeah, well, I don't remember anything that happened in 1996 when I was 6. Anyway, so the other thing I wanted to talk about, I will try to be quick on this, we have to find something positive, which is, can I bring more, being secure, like a pig? In ratio power. But on the same day that that variety article came out, the Hollywood reporter had its own attack on Disney in what I consider, and it's just me talking about journalism that doesn't address the issue, but adds to the problem.
So first, the title of this article was, Is Disney Battle Star Wars? High budget scrap projects, fan backlash. It's been 12 years since Disney Battle Star Wars and the galaxy far, far away arguably has too many broken toys. So you see that, and like we mentioned already, people don't read the articles.
They just go and start dumping on Disney and look again, I'm not defending. They've done a lot of crappy stuff, but I just, it just adds to that few people hating everything out there. Because even with a title like this saying, Disney Battle Star Wars, they have broken toys on the third paragraph, Oty. So right there, it goes on to say, to be fair, Disney Star Wars shows and movies remain far from space, don't typically get reviews from critics and generate box-off returns and streaming ratings that other studios would envy.
So why are we already saying that Star Wars is Disney Battle Star Wars, if in the third paragraph we're saying they get good reviews, they have box-off is oversize, five out of six movies or four or five made over billion dollars. What did the, do you have it open? No, I can find it. Oh, no.
What, when did the article come out? On Thursday, the same day that the variety article came out, it Hollywood Reporter, I just okay. The reason that I know about this, because people started just screen sharing things or not screen sharing, grabbing parts of the article, to use that headline for their own tweets to get, get, get, read, read, read, read, and get all their money back, to then push this agenda that there's something wrong in Star Wars. So other sites are picking this story and run with their own clickbait nonsense, it's where I wrote.
So Star Wars, which has 215,000 followers, this isn't me retweeting this. Roll a Twitter saying, Lucasfilm is considering making multiple seasons of skeleton crew, unless the show receives full viewership. And people just went off saying, here we go again, why am I going to get invested, gonna cancel it first, after the first season? Oh no, the actual blah, blah, blah.
And I said, let me read the article. What the article actually says, you have to go all the way to paragraph 23, all the way almost at the bottom. The creators have strongly suggested the show will be another one and done limited series. But Lucasfilm is considering skeleton crew, a series unless it's rating decide otherwise.
So the creators said, this is a one and done thing. But the big headline is, oh, Lucasfilm is gonna cancel it if they don't make more, if it doesn't have enough viewership. And then that's what people are there between and blah, blah, blah, blah. Like no, read the freaking article.
So, sorry. So basically any article saying that the skeleton crew got canceled is a blatant lie. If we get any. So according to the Hollywood Reporter, the creators consider strongly suggested the show will be another one and done limited series.
So this is a limited series one season. That's it. That's what John was a teacher for vision. So it doesn't get picked up for a second season.
It's not canceled because it was never gonna happen anyway. But what people took from that little tidbit is, oh, they're gonna cancel it already if it doesn't get enough views. And that's when I get did just add to that problem that there's issues out there and we need all this only super fans to tell us what to do. And then later on, someone else picked up and said, oh, the Mandalorian season four got scratched for the movie because of that criticism to season three.
And I went and I read. And what he says is, the Mandalorian created a little stumble of it, reading sleep a little and the show received backlash for the first time. Instead of for season, this is decided to pivot the Mandalorian to launch his first Star Wars visual film since the rise of Skywalker. You can place a 90s if you want, but I don't see that.
It says because of the backlash that season three received, we're canceling season four and doing the movie. But that's the highlight or the title that someone put to then grab all these clickbait lights and retreats and whatever. And just to trace me mad, then the same day we got that variety article, we get this one and then everyone's just angry because people just want to get clicks and read tweets. And no one really reads what the article is about.
We then creates more nonsense out there and people just talking without really knowing what it is about. And that's it. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, man. Right.
That's fine. Whatever. That's saying if the Mandalorian group does most of what I wrote or equivalent to it, I'll be happy. I don't know.
I don't know that I need more. That's in my docs. That's in folder. What are you talking about?
Yeah, read that again. Tell us about it. You read a treatment that you want to share. All right.
That's what my script is gonna be there watching. Damn. You're going for the the the the piece of shit. That's fine.
That's it for Star Wars. Let's go now to something that's not Star Wars in a world between fandom. I don't think we're between fandoms. You said you just finally watched it.
The rings of power season two finale Shadow and Flame came out a couple of days ago, Thursday, Thursday, Thursday, Thursday, Friday, all those Star Wars articles or those fandom articles came out. I was angry mad or disappointed, I should say. And then it's a power came out. But before we get to that finale, just two minutes, your thought on the week before before even that.
Have you seen Agatha? No, tell me. I saw you first. It's pretty good.
Yeah. I saw him between last night and this morning. It's it's pretty fun so far. I'm not really sure what they're building to, but it's been pretty cool.
So if you've been on the fence like I was, check it out. It's it's it's been okay. All right. It's not the best thing ever.
It's gonna be one of those I have no expectations. You want to support it one day and maybe also price me. This it's worth watching just to see a Catherine Han be patting upon and see our request. They are very great.
And another question that you see Joker. I put this back up there. No, I haven't seen Joker do the floor or whatever. The Frelia, the Frelia, the sorry, I got twisted.
I watched the first one when it was an HBO. I enjoyed it. I didn't go crazy about it. I liked it.
Nothing bad with it. It's anything was the best movie ever. No, sorry. Almost just like that much.
There's a staircase thing that's the best right? It's staying out. It's so fun. But same as with Agata, all the trailers and all the clips I've seen for Joker 2 haven't really got my attention.
So I wasn't dying to go see it. I'll be honest, there was so much advertising for this movie like a month ago that I thought it had already come out. So when this week was coming, I said, Oh, finally Joker on Friday Friday Friday Friday. I was like, Oh, I thought this came out already.
So I'm like, yeah, and I see people just matching it. So I was like, check. I forgot about the movie and I was just checking like, Oh, what's coming up next again. I saw like Joker on the Thursday, I was like, wait, this week.
I'm not sorry about the ticket. And then I saw that they were gonna give like a special screen on Monday. I was like, ah, no, I saw it. I really like the first Joker.
I know that's not appropriate. The same thing circles with family. I did like it. I'm a massive lady Gaga fan.
I don't know if you know that. I think she's one of the most talented people just from the planet. So I was excited for it. Like I could see it like the whole her being Harley Quinn and the musical part.
I a lot of people were like freaking out of my life. Like everything attached to this movie made sense to me. I didn't know it. I thought it was fine.
The musical bit got old very fast. Like you could hear it and make and that's another thing. By the way, I've seen a lot of people say that the movie is movie theaters are empty. My theater was packed and I checked like the other showings and they were awful.
Like there was a point like maybe the last five or four songs every time that they started you could hear the theater be like, Oh, wow. Oh, wow. And it's unfortunate because I think it's the last song is probably the best one like how it relates to everything that's happening. So whatever.
I like that. I didn't know it. I am very confused that the discourses are on the end. It's one of those movies that I thought was just fine and seeing people argue that it's the best movie ever or the worst movie ever just like really this is the movie we're gonna fight over.
Okay. So I guess I'm not only a Joker fan. I haven't seen that kind of argument other than this because I've seen people saying like, Oh, I wanted to really love it because I enjoyed the first one where it didn't work for me. I haven't seen that back and forth.
But it goes to what we just thought like everything doesn't need to be the best movie ever. The best music of your best Joker is like, Hey, it was a movie. Yes, no bad. Maybe I'll watch it if it's something one day.
And that's fine. Two more points on Joker. I saw a lot of people angry that it wasn't musical and it's like like the minute it was announced, I remember that interview with Todd Phillips saying like, No, it's a musical. So like, that's what the movie is.
And the other thing, a lot of people angry how they played with the Batman mythology in the movie. It's like, they did the same thing in the first movie. By the way, nothing egregious happened. So like, it makes it even more confusing.
Like, first way, that's a Joker or something like that. Yeah, we changed that much. They just play around with how they start to work. Sorry.
What I think about it, I'm very dumb. It sucks that I wasn't here last week because I loved that episode. We talked a week before. Is it gonna leave up with that expectation?
Oh, of course it is so be more on. It was great, man. It I when it ended, I was floored by it. I just could not believe it.
I had to fail that way since that I saw that episode that I loved so much. The one when they got to the very end, but that was like, because I was just like, because of TV app, I'm still blown away by the craft in the show. It sounds so cliche, but it looks like a movie. Like, they should show this in movie.
This two this last two, you put on a movie theater, 500 million dollars in two weeks. Like, I didn't sit one week. I didn't go, man, I wish it was a movie. It's a TV show.
Never. This was cinematic in every aspect. The whole season just looks beautiful. But these last like three episodes floored me.
But yeah, last week, the battle for the Reagan family. And it's been so meaningful. Like, it's not just cool things happening. It's there's a lot of cool things happening.
But just like, in this specific episode, this finale, like, even the mention of The Lord of the Rings has taken such a shift since we first saw those movies. And if you read those books, maybe that title has changed for you. But like, it was mentioned, I don't know if it was one or two episodes ago, and it was mentioned again here and it meant something completely different. It really has been outstanding.
I really hope next season, the same thing happens to me where the first four of them are like, I don't know, it's kind of okay. And then I'm like, this is the best TV show ever made. That's great. Yeah.
It's it's phenomenal. It's it's and I'm not taking a dig at anything Star Wars and TV shows out there, but this show shows you how you can make meaningful television in eight episodes, 30 minutes being one hour weekly, like every week, every scene and something. And then getting to this finale, like you said, just like episode three or four, I believe it's out on that tells Celebrim or you'll be known as the Lord of the Rings where he comes out as Anatom. Celebrim goes like, yeah, finally, I'll be better than Freonor.
But then Celebrim was throwing it back in the face like, no, this is your doing. It's not me, you, they control you, and you are the Lord of the Rings. It's completely different meaning like you mentioned. So let's start.
I don't know how we'll get through this in 30 minutes. We won't but like, just in that line, like when he says it to him, when he's really telling him, you're you're the Lord of the Rings meaning like, you may think you're like this, but you're in service to them. Like when you're the Lord of Edinburgh, you are in service to Edinburgh. This is just, you know, thinking of that.
So, Ag and just what I was mentioning at that point was this grand deal saying, and that's just the sad. Like you're a slave to these little rings and you just can't realize it. And we'll stay on this one a little bit just before he says that, Celebrim goes like, no, you are the prisoner. And then he goes with you are the Lord of the Rings.
And also all that scene against Charlie Vika and Charles Zalo, and all the acolytes. And I'm not one to say, oh, this person deserves some enemy. This person deserves I don't know, people like I'll say if it's good or not. But this day, the two of them just for the whole season.
And they only acted basically just at two of them for most of it. But then I just forgot where I was going. When he starts Celebrim, oh, you really shadow of Morgos. Like you're not even close to what you want to be.
And then like, sirens that are ultimate gas lighter also, tell him, look, if don't yourself freaking Celebrim with 10 arrows, we'll come back to that. Because I want to talk a little bit about it. But it's good to catch that doom which less than we spoke. I said, I don't know the that war of storylines are working for me.
Last episode made me in my words because I loved it. King During coming back to the light. Unfortunately, also met his demise. But I love during Prince During, I'm saying, I'm done with this.
I'm gonna go confront my father. This has stayed here, no matter what you heard him come over. But at the same time, having that love for his father, you're right, I can't kill you. I can't cut your part off your hand.
There's no one stronger than my father, which is all of us as kids. Your father's are the greatest thing out there. It's like breaking that virus so difficult that he couldn't do it at that point. I'm begging you take off the door of never begs.
But then when he's reversed and his son is in trouble, he kind of sees the light, takes the ring off and then goes, they say Epic and for him. I finally got the bow rock out. I know Tony has been waiting for that moment. He hasn't seen it yet.
So I think those 10 minutes were made for you. It was a great way to start the episode. I think I caught at some point. I just go straight to it.
I love that moment. You know, when they're about to clash with and max. Any other person would have cut it right there. But like the fact that we do see them and no, it's a fight.
The rain is going to lose but it's going to be a fight. And I guess I love that flash also when the bar is the axe with the mithro. It doesn't break that easy. It'll go.
I was then just finishing up with the dwarves. It's okay. This happened, unfortunately. Let's go help that.
I also am. These are like, oh, you're going to wait. Another father said the other dwarf kings, the other dwarf lords, they want to take over. They don't trust you or they don't want to put their faith in you.
Your brother is already gaining support. I'm over here like, wait, he has a brother? Where's this going from? And then he looks at the rings.
It's the right chance. He promised this. He wouldn't use it. He sits on three, sits on four.
And I don't remember anything about the lore at this point. Do you think he might use a ring too? So I was going to say that the last episode had us so excited in my show that Tony and I had our copies of Lord of the Rings open and we were going to get a phoenix as well. We were at the end.
So I kind of spoiled myself on a couple of things coming up. So I'm not really going to comment on the rings thing. It's interesting that it was framed that way and we'll see they have changed things. And it's always been in the service to a story.
So we'll see. We'll see what's going to happen. I hope he doesn't. That's awesome.
I will. I'll say he doesn't. Or if he, he might worry for an episode I think this brings him back. It doesn't get to the point that King Dury was.
And I read the similar really last year. I've read the appendix. It's not much information. I don't remember.
And like you said, they'll change things. I know I think why people fancy a lot of the rings on planes so much. It's an adaptation. It doesn't need to be a one for one retailing or the same thing, which is why real quick to Star Wars, even though I say, oh, I want a movie of this book or that book, I don't know.
I'll have to change things. And it's just, it's just like a complaint. Just in that line, like if you read the appendixes, there's a timeline of what happens. If you look at it, the fall of a Reggaean happens way later.
Yeah, there's a thousand years for coming to me. The one when the one ring has been forged years beforehand. So like, yeah, they're changing it for the purposes of the story. Yeah.
And it's working at least for us. It's working. So one thing that I wouldn't mind if it gets its own show is the no matter plot line that politics side of no man or it's been hearing to the podcast. I don't listen to the podcast.
I'll get it. But it's less than the last two weeks and this week and then by the end of this episode, I just want to spend a lot of time in Numen or a non-felogular fucking cramming the one I just wrangle his neck. I want a political show there. Like, you're cool.
And you're easily cool. There's so much there. And great about Lord the Rings. There's like 5000 years of story.
You can't go. You just have to win out. But of course, freaking, I just forgot his name on the new king. Far as some, far as some, oh, because he's a freaking sore loser.
Finds, I don't know where he got that scroll. He probably handwritten. Oh, no, actually the queen of the sea was held by Sauron. I saw it.
I saw it in the Palantia that I won't tell you that I use because that's why we kicked the old queen out. Everyone's a traitor. All the faithful are traitors. They're still wrangling people up.
Unfortunately, we've seen that before. But then it goes to our favorite petty lord in Arundil talking with the queen of the sea. Sorry? That's the king.
Yeah, he got this sort. He got this sort of king final. I thought every time he gets a new sword from someone, wait, is that Narsil? Is that Narsil?
He's heading? He's on his way to that Lord of the Rings prologue. Oh, man, that's how the show has to win. Right?
That final battle. How did you show it? Yeah, fighting the last alliance of the men. That's probably gonna be like episode seven of season five and then episode eight.
Just everything. We're so happy. We did it. Let's go this way.
No. We did it. Yeah, it's gonna happen again in like a thousand years. What coward is that?
Have I ever shown to make you believe I would ever consider making safe my own skin at the peril of yours? Is there anyone better that L.M. do to lead men to the glory of Gondor? Dude, come on.
It's the best. That's a wedding battle. Like I put, it looks like Chloe's loved. I said, no, my place is out there.
My place is here. So like, where's my place? It's not next to you or something. I just love each other.
But that, uh, Ari and his daughter trying to, oh, I'm trying to save you. I was like, let me alone. Don't like to hear weird boyfriends. Do there was so happening?
I haven't seen Cameron in a while. I don't want to show up. Yes. Exactly.
We just seen Narsu, the white flame. I know people don't like a lot of callbacks or people. Yeah. I love it.
I don't know. But what's hard? I love this franchise. I love the story.