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Tell us a little bit about yourself. Hi. Well, thank you guys for having me on show Jason is actually name and reality and the doctor and voice physician down here Florida. I Don't practice medicine anymore.
I teach now. I teach in Film medicine and teaching at me to theology physics chemistry But I also have an interest in the paranormal and I'm got interested in it a few years ago I had some experiences myself growing up and I wanted to buy what I knew and different things that I've learned over the years to try to Explain a little bit of some of these paranormal events and things that my sister and myself both had experienced in the past Not a people's room. Okay. Now you recently wrote a book.
Is that correct? Yes Tell us what the name of the book is and what it's about and let's explore that a little bit The title of the book is both physics and it's basically a Compendium of ideas that I had a pick some some of the most recent discoveries in physics and kind of connected the dots between recent findings in the medical field and quantum physics and kind of apply them to Different things that sort of help explain the more scientific side of paranormal events. There's a lot of information is a lot of What normal events and goes and things like that? But very few of them actually address the real scientific end of it.
That's what I wanted to do. So that's why I brought this book Yeah, it's interesting because in our During our investigations we found that there you know there is some scientific basis to a lot of it But a lot of it's kind of mysticism and What's the other one I'm looking for Tim? Folklore things of that nature I'll have to get much So tell us a little bit about the ghost physics I mean like what were some of the ideas that you came up with and some of the theories that you've been able to kind of explore and write about well recently they discovered the existence of a particle quantum physics called the takes bows on particle and For 40 years it was just a theory But they finally discovered evidence of it You now know it really exists and it's kind of a big deal because it changes everything we know about classical quantum physics and this particle is very very important because What it does is actually conveys a mass If you if you're into quantum physics at all, which I don't want to go too deep into but You know, I don't want to make it too technical or anything But there is something called the cakes field and the Higgs field permeates the space that we live in it's kind of in another dimension, but that's where mass comes from and the takes bows on is a bridge to that field and By conveying a connection between the Higgs field to our dimension We are able to have mass it's what gives us all particles mass and I have the idea that It may work both ways and that it can convey mass to particles where we are or take it away And that kind of lines up with us something that I had read about a long time ago There was a doctor's where I'm gonna turn the century Dr. Duncan Google and he didn't experiment where he had five Between five and ten patients that were terminally ill and he had consent for these patients And what he wanted to do is he had an idea that maybe the soul has some kind of measurable Mass and so what he did is he had a special scale built for these patients and they agreed that he would be allowed to weigh them at the time of death and So he went ahead with the experiment.
There were four other doctors there also recording the event and With the death of each patient and they had the tuberculosis So they didn't talk about it That's or anything was pretty predictable to know when a person with TV back then was going when they were near death because they didn't really have treatment back then they didn't have antibiotics with it and so when these patients were in their death they would put them on the scale and at the exact moment of death The scale lost 21 grams of weight and there was no explanation for but each patient that died at the exact moment death lost 21 grams of weight and I kind of applied that to the big boson Which confirms mass departmentals that if something leaves the body The things may work in the other direction to and take mass away from the body There's a third part to this theory too, and that's the recent discovery of something called orchestrated objective induction and That was discovered recently by an anesthesiologist and Dr. Tamara and read about it in book but he recently found evidence of powerful quantum vibrations in the brain sorting the microtubules over the cells of the brain that actually identified as human consciousness and He further went on to say that that energy could possibly leave the body So my idea was what all three of those things together and it kind of makes sense You know if our consciousness is maintained in the microtubules in the cells of the brain At the time of death the takes boson may take mass away from that Those that quantum energy in the brain in the microtubules and maybe that's what accounts for the loss of 21 grams of weight and in fact if you If you do the math and you weigh the the microtubules and all those all those little Beta-tubules and diners that make up all the microtubules in the brain They weigh those things in a unit called dolphins And dolphins are very tiny units measured But if you add up all the dalts that are of weight of the microtubules that are in the brain and you convert it to conventional weight It comes out to about 21 grams. So it kind of makes sense That's actually fascinating that the measurements add up to 21 grams considering the experiments done with weighing the individuals They passed away. We're actually familiar with that particular study where they did the weights in the body So now let me ask you know what your thoughts are through on this Let's say someone was to pass away from like say a gunshot went to the head with that effect that energy would that disrupt energy?
I don't think so but it certainly would disrupt the physical scaffold of the brain and at that moment You know when you die, I'm sure that's that's when it all happens That the mass would be lost not because of the gunshot one but because of the ceasing of life And then the mass would be conveyed back to the field and so the consciousness would lead the body I do have something to say though about violent deaths It seems like and I don't know maybe you can you can Quiver it for over at this in your investigations and things that you found but it seems that when a person undergoes or suffers a violent death They tend to linger around as opposed to someone who passes on in a natural and calm way And I don't know that that is the norm that that you discovered in your investigation Yeah, we actually see that quite a bit we've had one into one that I can remember we did a investigation that evolved a It was a murder homicide Suicide sorry homicide suicide and the entire family was all left in the house We actually had to go we were asked to go investigate it afterwards We've seen it with we went on investigation where there was a homeless guy that just couldn't stand living anymore He put his head down on a train track and let the train run over it and our meeting was actually seen his body still wandering our Location so we've seen it quite a bit in our investigations that it seems like you know that theory is correct that people that have had a more violent death tend to stick around And it's interesting because when you start dealing with and I don't know how much you buy into and maybe we'll explore that here in Just a minute you know energy so to speak when you have something a scene where there's been some kind of violence something or some kind of negative event It almost leaves an energy fingerprint of a sort that is kind of heavy and you can kind of feel it It's kind of lingering and I don't know if you've had any theories on that or what your thoughts on that are Well, you know, I mean I've actually experienced that myself. I remember one time years ago I joined a big practice up in Maryland, so I moved up there for a couple years But there's a place called Elacott City up there in Baltimore and they've got a lot of old old buildings and they've been converted to shops Well, my girlfriend at the time and I were out there visiting and my mom was visiting with us too So she went with us but we were in this very very old house that had been converted to a shop And we were upstairs and both my mother and myself thought something like a like a presence and we felt like We felt like we shouldn't be there and that we were really we're not welcome and that we needed to get out It was weird because we didn't say anything to each other until afterward and You know when I mentioned it to her I said I got a really weird feeling when I was in that house like somebody didn't want me to be there She said yes, I think there's definitely something there I think some people are more in tune to that than others and some people are more sensitive to that kind of thing than others But again that part of the reason I wrote the book is because I feel like there's a lot of you don't know and a lot that A lot of how it works that still needs to be discovered yet, and so I think definitely there's something there But we need more more research on it to find out more about it, but I believe so So in your kind of tinkering between physics and the paranormal did you come up with any theories related to that or anything to kind of explain that energy No, I not yet Maybe in the second book and about it, but you know there's We do know you know medically, but there's still so many things we're still discovering things in medicine and physics and you know I'm sure that someday, you know there it'll become more clear with that connection I Believe that there's something there, but at this point. I'm not sure exactly what it is As far as a theory, you know, maybe there's some type of energy field around around brain that the access of some type of antenna that picks up signals From another nearby entity or something. I don't know But I believe there's something there as far as a formal theory.
I don't have one answer yet Okay, let me ask you this because I know a lot of folks in the medical field Well, let me kind of back up before I ask this question I know a lot of folks who talk about near-death experiences for instance talk about a bright white light and kind of like a Life review where they relive their life so to speak And I know a lot of folks in the medical field explain that is basically the brain dying of people just kind of remembering that process of the brain dying what has been your thoughts on that in particular? You mean near-death experience or right What does right kind of the near-death experience versus the scientific explanation that what people are saying is not a near-death experience It's just kind of what they experience as their brain is shutting down well, I do talk a little bit about that in the book too and You know at the moment of death what happens is what's called electricity and gold silence and there is there's no There's a basically a little a little burst of electrical activity at the very end Actually, but even have a picture in my book of an EDG of a patient at the moment of death and you can see the alpha and beta waves Right up to the moment of death and then you see a little spike at the very end And then it just flat lines and then that flat line That's when you are technically or officially dead So maybe it has something to do with that last little burst of energy not really sure but As far as what happens after we leave the body after the consciousness leaves the body I believe the consciousness continues on but what you see after that I haven't been there yet So it was probably good thing what you would see I do have theories about you How the how the consciousness works outside the body and how it may manifest as an apparition or some other type of manifestation, but as far as the out of body experiences I do mention them in the book a little bit, but and what happens at that time of death brain, but what people experience Is still kind of an issue Let's kind of explore that first a minute kind of your thoughts on what the consciousness how it operates outside the body and what it does How it manifests, what are your theories in that regard? Well, I think a lot of it has to do with how the human mind works and how the human conscious works The conscious is very very complicated and complex and there's so much to it You know, there's different parts There's the consciousness that we that we have that you know, you're aware of things and you're talking about things But then there's a subconscious and there's also emotions tied into that too and motions are part of the conscious and subconscious and In the book I explain a little bit about how that likely affects how something manifests and so if If you look at it in sort of in terms of how the mind works when you're asleep It's kind of the same way the idea is that when when you're asleep your mind is still working Your consciousness is still working your brain never really shuts off But it processes information a little bit differently and so in a dream, you know, you'll see things that don't make any Logical sense at all, but in the dream you don't really pay attention to it It's just like yeah, okay And you continue on through the dream and you know, you could suddenly be in one place and then suddenly be in another place and while you're dreaming It's like, okay, you know, you don't think like how did I get here? You know, it just it just flows it the mind just flows And I think the mind works the same way in in depth that it doesn't like and so when a Consciousness leaves a person's body.
It's kind of like they're in a dream state They don't realize that they're dead a lot of times and it's kind of like trying to realize that you're dreaming when you're dreaming Most of the time most people don't realize that they're asleep And so I think whether Something manifests as an apparitioner has to do also with the level of consciousness and also the level of emotion And I think when emotions are stirred up or something triggers an emotion in a consciousness that that's when we see an apparition or a manifestation Okay, so let me ask you most people that I've ever met in the medical field seem to be very scientific minded Which I can tell you are but most of them are also I shouldn't say most that's kind of paying with a broad brush A lot of them seem very close-minded to anything outside their scientific view I don't know if that makes sense or not so In a way, I would say you're probably a little bit of a abnormality in a good way where you've been interested in the paranormal What kind of peak that interest what got you headed down this path? Well, um, like I said, my I grew up in a house that was built, you know, couple centuries ago They'd way back there early 1800s even 1700s I don't remember my my mother actually checked the tax records and found out the house was very very very old and my sister's kind of more Sensitive to picking up things and seeing things and sensing things But I had a couple of experiences when I was growing up that to this day I still can't explain You know things like For example, we one day we were it was like at nighttime. We were all in the living room watching tv and suddenly we all all smelled lilacs Flowers and my mom even said what is that? Do you guys smell that and I said yeah, my sister smelled it too and it was the snow Fresh lilacs and it was a little winter time.
We didn't have any flowers in the house and we all smelled it So it wasn't like one of us was hallucinating and it basically for a few seconds and it went away and um another at another experience where I was wearing a baseball cap one day and I went to get in my car and If I close the door something slipped my hat and I I saw the hat move. I felt it I heard the tap on the hat I took my hat off there was nothing there and I was sitting inside the car there was nobody with me and that happened two more times and On different different occasions and I still can't explain what that was and so I started wondering about that and I started watching um You know a paranormal investigation shows and I saw one where they were talking about They're trying to explain the signs of ghosts with neutrinos But I knew about neutrinos and what they were saying about it didn't make much sense They just picked neutrinos because neutrinos can pass through solid matter like walls and doors and things like that And I I was watching the documentary and I was saying they're not neutrinos neutrinos can pass through a trillion miles of lead and not interact with a single atom I don't think that goes through maybe neutrinos, but they are made of something and I think My theory with the nastles particles that lose their mass through the hig boson Ken pass through walls and in fact um recent discoveries at sernell um prove that uh You can shine on what they did was they shine to a laser at a wall and you know lasers made of photons But photons can convert to another particle called an axion and axions can pass through solid matter And light cannot obviously but when you shine a light at a wall it's not on a company the other side However, they had sensors that picked up axions coming out of the other side of the wall and forming back into photons So um that kind of really interested me too and I started looking more into a way particle duality Which is a law in physics or quantum physics that kind of explains how um things can actually cast through matter And so I started putting these ideas together and started to form what I think is a little bit more um Solid opinion or theory based on scientific facts as far as well things that are um Possibly linked to paranormal events Yeah, I'm glad you brought the neutrinos because I think I may have seen that same show and that the same theory I know that they were talking about they could pass through uh solid objects But they their question was how did they basically become visible as far as you know something that we could see So I'm actually glad you patched on that. I can remember the name of the particular particle they were talking about Um, so let me ask you this. I know you mentioned that you had your hat flick in the car now Let's go back to the 21 grams thing.
Um, do you have a scientific explanation on how a spirit that say ways 21 grams could move a physical object that way significantly more? Yeah, so um I was mentioning um In the book a little bit about the hicks boson the hicks boson is a is a scalar Uh, a scalar particle and it's uh scalar particles are force conveyors and um just like a photon is is a carrier force carrier for electromagnetism The hicks boson is a carrier for um mass and mass is related to kinetic energy and force And I believe that when something manifests some of that some of that force can actually um be Uh conveyed through the hicks boson. So there is a possibility for someone to actually be touched or an object actually be physically moved Um, the same thing is kind of true with um with uh seeing a visible manifestation too, you know If you see something or if you catch something on film or on on on the camera You catch it because photons are bouncing off of it Um and from photons to bounce off of something and come back to your eye or come back to the camera It has to have some type of mass to it has to have some kind of actual physical mass And so um, I believe that that's due to the hicks boson temporarily conveying mass to those particles and um whether it's it's for Both times to bounce off and for us to see or for it to actually come into contact with someone or something and actually be able to move things I I believe that's how it works That's actually an interesting theory with the mass. I know that myself.
I've seen a full body operation I've seen some other partial body operations over the years. I know Tim has as well Um, I had a question until we just left my mind. Help me out here. Tim was I think a magic So, I mean what what I kind of was thinking is I mean along the same lines is like we're like, how would you explain?
Like say you're sitting in a dark room like we do an investigation And then there's just like this light anomaly that you see like with your neck and eye like you're not using equipment Like just this ball of light just appears and then just kind of disappears like right after and there's I mean you could be sitting like One of the examples like I think it was we were at the wrong state penitentiary And we were in a gel cell where there's no windows or anything around like we're just in a solid locked room and all the sudden There's just this ball of light that appears about us and disappears Um, how would you explain something like that Or what your theory on that would be Kind of kind of the same way with what the higs bows on but like I said, I don't I don't know everything About this we haven't discovered everything But it probably has something to do with the higs conveying mass and or some of that mass converting to energy light energy Um, you know mass mass and energy are interchangeable. They're not destroyed. They're just interchangeable You know, I'm sure you're familiar with the famous Einstein's famous equation equals mc square Um where they're talking about matter and energy and they're interchangeable So if something does manifest it doesn't always have to necessarily manifest as something of a mass that um, you can see it It can manifest as um energy too and that can some of that can come in a form of light energy as well Okay, that's pretty cool. Now.
Let me ask you now. Have you ever actually been on a paranormal investigation? Personally, no, no, I would I would like to go but I've I've seen um, well myself personally I have seen one apparition years ago when I was a student I lived in a half of a duplex while I was a school and The other half of duplex nobody lived in um, there was a gentleman that had lived in there, but he I died he passed away in his place The year prior and anyway, I was sitting in the living room one day and I was on the computer and Sitting on the couch, but I could see him in the kitchen in the dining room And I saw a shadow walk through my dining room and that was first time I actually saw something with my own eyes and um I know what I saw and I just can't explain it, but that's the first time I saw something The other things that I experienced were what I mentioned to you about the um, the uh, the old factory manifestations The smell and flowers, I've seen all flowers in that house for two roses one time It was less for about four or five seconds and then it disappeared um, things like that My sister's actually seen things she's actually seen at the rations I've never been on an on an official investigation, but I definitely have an interest in me And the reason I was asking that question is one of the Pieces of equipment that we use quite frequently is basically a emf meter picks up electromagnetic frequencies Um, and it seems like spirits are able to manipulate those and those kind of devices are able to oftentimes detect spirits Um, I was curious what your thoughts are as far as how that would work with your theory Uh, and the the god particle the uh, hicks boson if that uh plays with electromagnetic energy in any form Um, I don't I don't think so the hicks is it is a scalar particle, but it has to do with conveying mass Electromagnetic fields are carried by another boson. Photon is also a boson.
It's also a um, yeah, of course carrier Uh, so those would be um based on um, photons, uh, but uh, emmeters, you know, I'm sure you guys know They if you're in a building that does have live wiring it can pick up interference too. So, um, I guess when you go on investigations You guys uh ensure that that that that it's not going to be um, something that you'd be picking up like some stray Electromagnetic energy from, you know, a building wiring or things like that. Um, as far as the spirit or, um, uh Having any influence or effect on electromagnetic fields. I'm not sure probably Uh, there would be I can imagine and if they're if they're able to manifest with some form of mass that's one involved Um, uh, electrons, protons and neutrons and never have a charged particle moving through space.
It does create an electromagnetic field. So I guess it's possible. Um, but uh, I As far as any a formal, uh, research I haven't done any formal research on that particular aspect That's interesting. You mentioned that because I know a team can attest uh that we've had Multiple investigations and it's quite frequent that we do have to go in and you know, we get hits on those pieces of equipment You have to kind of make sure it's not, you know, a fluorescent light or something like that And you have to kind of narrow down on our cell phones.
Yeah, when we see a spike on our meters We try to make sure it's not something like like our cell phones if we just leave a text and set it off So we try to make sure it's not like something using our phone or if there's not like we're just wiring or something nearby It's we try to make sure that it's an actual anomaly setting it off and not just something that's you know, nearby like open wires or phones Like I said, um, we've got times where we've actually had two different meters sitting right next to each other And we'll see one just like spiking that crazy nail when doing nothing So that's just kind of an way for us to kind of verify that it's not, you know Something natural setting off that it's something else. Yeah, I think that's been one of the more interesting things with investigations is uh Going to a place where we've eliminated all the obvious sources of at emf and had anomalous emf hits Uh, which make first minutestigations sometimes maybe that's something your next book you can kind of explore the emf uh, the side of things Yeah, definitely. I'm sure there's definitely something to it. Um, you know as far as why those spikes occur or you know Uh, I don't know if it's because of movement or if it's because of that, you know, manifesting with some form of uh, mass or energy Maybe a combination of both, but it would be interesting to look further into that for sure Well, if we ever get you to I'll have to get an investigation or 12 Places I other really fun to investigate So tell some of your other theories that you kind of come across some of the other things that you kind of looked into with regards to the paranormal and uh, physics Well, uh, those are the main things uh, you know that and and just how the mind works and how the conscious works and um, uh, you know It's it's basically like a triad theory with the Higgs and the 21 grams and orchestrate of the reduction Um, that's that's my main theory and that's mainly what is about but I do do go through and uh, talk about visible and non visible manifestations Uh, I talk a little bit about um, ebps and uh, sound, um, you know, uh, that that involves yet another scalar particle called Called a phonon, um, and that's a relatively recent discovery in quantum physics too And they now actually have specialized, um, equipment that they work with and they call them this one sound kind of word But they call them sound lasers, uh, that uh, are built to detect phonons, not both on phonons and phonons have recently been discovered to not only convey Compression waves and sound waves through solid matter but also through the air and so I think that uh, and again This is something else that I wrote about in the book a little bit about uh, how a ghost can have a voice or make a sound or be recorded on a Recording equipment either your phonons and or, um, electromagnetically being picked up by the microphone as well I was saying that's interesting because uh, ebps are one of the our favorite pieces of evidence we get quite a few ebps Um, so kind of what is your theory and how a ghost is able to leave though sometimes and sometimes not have you looked into that at all?
Um, sorry second, please? Uh, so as far as the spirit being able to leave an ebp, what is kind of your theory on that? I mean because I know sometimes we get them sometimes we don't, uh, what are kind of your thoughts on how that works? Well, just like I said, you know, they they can um, they can begin to manifest and convey sound either even through phonons or photons I think phonons for sounds um, you know, those those can be recorded Uh, so that's probably the one but um, the other thing is when and how excuse me how often we would see a manifestation I think while it has to do with, um, the level of consciousness, uh, subconsciousness and level of emotions, uh, with, um, uh, a discorporated, uh, conscious so, um, and again, I talk a little bit about that a bit too, um, I actually have a a flow truck, I tried to put it into a logical sequence so that, you know, you can see it visually, uh, but I, I mean of a basic little flow chart of how it works or a a conscious singularity and, um, with a level of consciousness is and a level of emotion and whether something manifests or not in the form of a visual Uh, fully recognizable apparition or an amorphic, uh, mist or, you know, a shadow or something like that.
Shadows are a whole other thing too that I talked a little bit about how um, when particles are 180 degrees out of phase with, uh, photons are striking then, uh, photons don't bounce off, they actually are absorbed and so that's why we end up seeing a dark spot or a shadow rather than a recognizable person. Um, same thing can happen too with, um, a thermal imaging and some people use that on their investigations and uh, when photons are absorbed, you know, um, he, uh, infrared that those are made of photons too and when they're absorbed, uh, by particles again that are 180 degrees out of phase, um, you'll see cold spots or feel cold spots, uh, instead of, uh, normal ambient temperature. Now could there be conditions where we would see maybe a hot spot instead of a cold spot? Um, I'm not really sure.
I mean, uh, I guess it could be possible, you know, if, if, um, if, uh, uh, uh, uh, enough energy is stirred up, you know, or manifest, you might be able to see it, um, uh, to go along with, uh, what you guys experiencing the jail cell and seeing a burst of light, you know, um, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to maybe pick up, uh, change in temperature as well. I've actually seen that with, uh, because I have a thermal camera that I use, uh, sometimes on investigations and we actually had, we were at an antique shop and there was a stainless steel pot that was registering about like 86 degrees on my thermal camera and you can actually see that it was hotter than everything else in the room, but everything around it, like, I mean, the temperature of the room was 66 degrees. Like this is a stainless steel pot and, you know, this is late at night, so it shouldn't have had like that store heat because again, it's, it was in a room, there's no windows or anything like that, so it shouldn't have been able to like heat up, you know, much more around everything else, but as soon as I noticed it, I pointed out to everybody like that thing just cooled down like real quick and got the same temperature, everything else in the room. Interesting.
Well, again, I guess, um, uh, we've been talking about, you know, when, when, when an, um, an operation, uh, an operation, uh, an operation, uh, an manifest, you know, it's, uh, usually due to a change in, uh, uh, emotional state and or, uh, level of consciousness, but it kind of goes along with, um, being able to manifest things around it as well. Uh, for example, clothing, you know, a lot of times when people see an operation, it's a clothed person, not a naked person, and then why is it, why does it have clothing, how could it go stuff clothing? Well, it's because of self-rejection, um, and again, and this is another thing I addressed in the book, but, um, the level of consciousness has to do, and self-consciousness has to do with self-rejection, and oftentimes it'll be something that the person, like their favorite clothing or maybe a uniform or the last thing that they remember wearing. Um, so those things can manifest along with the apparition through self-rejection, and maybe something like, um, a rise in temperature could also manifest from a conscious singularity that was associated with that particular, uh, you say it was a T file.
It was like a stainless steel like cooking pot that you take on camping. Staying steel cooking pot, so, um, you know, maybe that in during light, uh, whoever was there, um, or whatever, uh, whatever was there that you were looking into investigating, uh, was there and, um, was focused on something that they used, or, you know, or maybe it reminded them of something. And so, uh, you know, somehow energy was conveyed to that object and caused it to be up. Now, let me ask, uh, we've kind of talked about how that Bolsan Hicks could, uh, theoretically change temporarily to allow photons to bounce off of a disincorporated person so we could see them.
Um, in your research, have you found conditions that would more, uh, I'm trying to think of that sort of word that would make that more probable than say other conditions, or are there certain things that would need to be in place for that to be more likely to happen than not? Or, I'm sorry, probably there's a little bit of problem with my audience. That's all right. My question was mildly confusing as well, which doesn't help.
Um, I was saying, uh, you mentioned that with like a first spirit to become visible, basically that Higgs Bolsan would have to change a little bit to allow photons to bounce off of that disincorporated person. Um, in your research, did you find any special conditions that would perhaps make that more likely or less likely based on the conditions at the time? Yeah. Um, well, I think again, it has to do a lot with that flow chart that I had, um, printed in the book about how it works.
I think a lot of it is based on the level of consciousness in the emotional state. And most of the time, the human life is in kind of a non-tolic flat emotional state when we're sleeping. Um, it's, it takes some, usually some other type of trigger to kind of raise the emotional level. Um, and I think when the emotional level, emotional state of a discorporated conscious is raised, that's when you start to see things or that's when things start to manifest.
And so I think that, um, certain thing, and I don't know, maybe you guys have seen this in your investigations or in your experience, but things like triggers seem to have usually a significant effect on bringing about a manifestation. And I think if that, have you, have you experienced things like that with triggers? Yeah, we've actually had investigation. We've been on where we've taken a trigger object where it's something that we've been told that spirit liked when they were alive.
And it seems like when we do bring those objects to the investigation, we do get more activity from that spirit than we would if we had brought those. Yeah, and I think that makes sense because, you know, when you have something that catches somebody's attention, like something that they were attached to or, or, um, very interested in or, or, you know, used quite often in life. And you present that object again, it does catch more attention and raise the emotional state. I'm not an expert.
I don't claim to be, but I really believe that, that emotions and consciousness and how it works has a lot more things going on activity or not. And I think the more activity there is, the more interaction to take both on, there is, and subsequently more conveyance and mass and more chance for manifestation of something. Now, let me ask you this. And it's kind of interesting you mentioned that with the trigger things because I've also been in situations where people have kind of paunted certain spirits, intending to be choosy small because he knows exactly what I'm talking about.
And when that emotional state changes, then the energy changes, everything else changes, so it's kind of interesting that you mentioned that. Now, when spirits move things, when they, when there is that, you know, visual manifestation, energy is being expended, I know that like with a physical body, like we have to give it food, we have to make sure we give it fluid, et cetera, or we die. What is your theory as far as on what keeps a spirit going as they expend energy doing what it is they do? How do they revitalize?
How do they basically keep themselves viable? What's kind of your theory on that? They don't have to. They don't have to do anything because once you're, once you have no mass and you're just pure energy, you can't be destroyed.
You know, that's, that's part of the E equals MC square, you know. The mass is neither created nor destroyed. It's just transferred. And the same thing is true with energy.
So once, once you lose mass, your pure energy, you know, you just, you just exist unless something completely destroyed you, which I guess there could be something that could destroy mass or energy, like completely annihilated. But that's, as I say it. Okay. Well, we appreciate coming on the show with us.
If you could, what was the name of the book again? It's called Ghost Physics. It's available on Amazon and Barnes & Noble. That's right.
It's about that. Not on my website, Ghost Physics.com. So, Ghost Physics.com, J.C. Knight.
Go check it on Amazon, Barnes & Noble.com. Go check out his flowchart. It sounds like a fascinating book. I can't wait to get my own copy and read through it.
I know, large would probably love this thing. He's one of our other hosts that wasn't able to make it tonight, but he loves looking at things from a scientific point of view. And I think we need to get him in touch with you sometime because I'm sure he would love to pick your brain. Yeah.
And so, I'm fascinated by your theories with the phonons and the Higgs boson and how all this works. Because, like I said, I saw the same thing that you did with the neutrinos, and this just makes so much more sense to me. And to be honest with you, I think I'm going to be approaching my own investigations a little bit differently now. I'm thinking about them a little bit differently as far as how the physics behind it work.
So, again, it's Ghost Physics by J.C. Knight. I picked that up on Amazon.com, Barnes & Noble.com, or Ghost Physics.com. And we appreciate you coming on the show with us.
What's been a pleasure, guys? And I'd like to thank you for having me on the opportunity to talk to you. It's been great. So, thank you very much.
Hey, thank you. And if you're right out here to Utah, look us up because we will get you on some investigations. Oh, that'd be great. Yeah, definitely will.
If you happen to be in town on October 7th, there's a paranormal expo going on here. There it is. That'd be a fantastic place to bring your book as well. Yeah, that'd be great.
I'm supposed to be speaking at the Carnival State Conference here in Florida for 2018 as well. And next month I'm going to be on another radio show with Jason Haws to talk a little bit about it. Cool. Yeah, that'd be great.
Well, what show is that? Let's go ahead and plug your parents on that show. Oh, it's Jason Haws from Ghost Hunters. Yes.
He has a radio show called Beyond Reality for radio. And I'm going to be on talking about this stuff again on September 25th. Alright, cool. Fantastic.
Well, hey, thanks again for coming on. It's been a pleasure talking to you. Great. Pleasure talking with you guys too.
Thank you very much. Alright, have a good night. Thank you. Alright, so again, that's Ghost Physics.
By JC Knight, you can pick that up on Amazon.com or Barnesandnoble.com. Or his website, GhostPhysics.com. Or there too. So, it's been a while we've had so many guests on the last few episodes that I think it's time that we sit down and actually talk about some of the things that we have done since we've been kind of MIA as far as our own stuff goes.
Nothing. Thanks for listening. Hey, have a good night, everybody. Thanks for tuning in.
Peace out butterflies. Whoa, hey. Just kidding. We've done some stuff.
No, we actually had an investigation. We've had a couple investigations just. Dan and Simon Don aren't here to talk about the investigations they've done, but there's one that Castle and I did. The day I got back from Vegas, it was awesome.
I got home. I was home for about 15 minutes after driving six hours. I live in Sandy, by the way, which is like an hour away from Santa Quinn, which I drove through to get home. And Castle's like, hey, I need your help in Santa Quinn.
Alright, I'm on my way. Yeah, Tim called me. He's like, hey, what's up? I got back from Vegas.
I'm like, fantastic. Get your butt in your car and get down Santa Quinn because we're doing some best to get. Down in South Utah, can anybody call it investigating? We just call it best to get.
We're going best to get. We're going best to get. No, no, no. And essentially, we actually came up with an interesting theory on this particular investigation.
Yes, we did. And we're going to go ahead and just put it out here in the air as we get talking. But this investigation was put together by one of our mediums, Caden, who we work with periodically. It was some friends of his down in Santa Quinn that have a little girl in their home.
And this little girl basically is very sensitive. She hears and sees things. And kind of what happened is the family knew this little girl could see in her spirits. I wish you guys could see peaches right now.
She's like making faces and flailing her arms about. Let's just get my camera out. Let's sprinkle some holy water on her. Let's make sure it's all peaches.
Yeah, it is. The family knew this little girl could kind of hear and see spirits just based on some of the stuff that she'd done, but I hadn't really worried about it. Until the day she comes up to him and says, my friend told me that if I kill myself, we could be together forever. That caused a little concern in the home.
This girl is like four years old? Maybe four, three and a half, four. She's young and she's not very big. And this investigation is actually really fascinating all the way around.
So as we got going, we spent the majority of the time up in the little girl's bedroom. And we were getting the playroom. We were in the playroom. The playroom?
Playing in the playroom? And it was hot. I'm just going to put that out there. It was like blazing hot.
There's no icing on this home. It was like one of those attic-style bedrooms where there's no insulation. No crawl space in the attic, so to speak. It was hot.
So as we were up there, we were getting a lot of stuff on the ghost meters. Echo box was going crazy. I loved it as soon as I showed up. I was there a little bit later than everybody else.
As soon as I showed up, that thing was like Tim, leave. My name came across several times. Her castle came across. What was kind of disquieting, if you will, is I asked the entity's name and came across and said, Jesus.
Oh, yeah, that was like right as I showed up too. Yeah, what's your name, Jesus? Jesus. Unless you're Mexican.
Yes, I don't think that's who you are. And there was definitely some type three activity that was going on in that particular home. See, that thing is that I could tell, and Kayden kind of backed this up with me as well, is that the entity we were talking to wasn't actually in the room with us. It was actually in the garage, which we didn't have access to because it was locked by the owner.
The family that lives there was actually renting the home. Right, and the owner had the garage basically locked up using the garage as a personal storage shed. But normally, Kayden and I can kind of tap into their energy and tell where they are in the house. I just couldn't find them in the house at all.
And when I asked the renters if I could see the garage, she actually took me back there. And as soon as I walked through that threshold from the house towards the garage, it just kind of felt like walking through, like, this thick, heavy cloud of black. It was just like, the energy completely changed as soon as I stepped out of the house and got close to that garage. It was just extremely heavy.
Which is interesting because I didn't really feel the heavy energy myself, but I never went out towards the garage during the course of investigation. What was interesting, though, is as we continued this investigation, we determined that this home was in direct line of the family tree restaurant, which we've talked about quite frequently. We've talked about Lucy and the portal there in the basement. And this home was direct, well, I probably shouldn't say the direction, but it was in a direct path, northeast, west or south, like you were 25% chance of a...
Or could have been northeast or southwest or? Well, again, one of the four. It was in a direct line from the family tree restaurant. And within maybe a few blocks, would you say, Tim?
Yep. But our theories start to run that there was probably type three activity in a pattern around the family tree. The theory being is that these spirits were set up to kind of protect the major portal there at the family tree. So the information that I was kind of getting from one of the spirits, and I'm pretty sure it was the little girl I had in like a guardian spirit with her.
I'm pretty sure that's the one that was giving me the information, but from what I could tell, it seems like that they have pretty much set up a perimeter around the family tree, with the family tree being the center focal point. And it seems like there's basically like watch towers, more or less, where there's a type three at each of these points that have a portal open that's feeding into the portal to the family tree. And that's basically these watch towers or these focal points are what's keeping the portal at the family tree open. And it was interesting because we were trying to kind of figure out if we could determine what the pattern was and we couldn't determine if it was a triangle or a pentacle.
It did actually come through the echo box, a pentacle that came through the echo box. Right. And so it was kind of fascinating. As we got going, we determined that really there wasn't anything that we were reasonably going to be able to do that night with the group that we had to stop the activity.
No, I did find it interesting that, like you mentioned, the room was extremely hot. But as soon as this information started coming to me and Kayden was getting similar information from the spirits that were talking to him, the temperature of the room dropped drastically. Like it went from boiling hot to not say freezing cold, where we could see our breath, but it was the drop in temperature was extremely noticeable. As soon as we were getting this information and then like the shift of energy kind of changed in the room, we could tell that that's that entity and actually realize we were getting information that they didn't want us to have.
So it was basically coming in to kind of take over the conversation. And it's kind of saying I should probably back up a little bit with, as we were kind of figuring out there's probably this geometric shape, either a triangle or a pentagram that these, and I'm going to use that trampoline kind of the watch towers. We determined that there may be Brandi's moving around. What are you trying to tell us, Brandi?
Is it a square? Brandi's getting it. I have a hexagon, right? It's five.
A hexagon. It's a hexagon. It's a hexagon. See, this is why it's one type of brandy around because she picks up on the stuff and understands it.
See, and I love this because like I said, this is the day we got back from Vegas and Brandi actually after six hours of driving was tired and went home. She wanted to see her kids and wanted to spend time with them for a little bit and get some sleep. So this is the first she's actually hearing about anything on this investigation. And to have her actually kind of validate the information that Kate and I got is really cool for me.
Yeah, yeah, see her tapping in and validate it. But we kind of determined that some of the people we knew lived kind of within the path of this hexagon and were experienced activities in the homes next to them and things of that nature which kind of helped further our theory that there was this shape with the family tree right in the center that was kind of branched out to keep that portal open, which makes sense because we've tried on a few occasions to go in and neutralize. That portal had not been successful. This also been consistent with some other things we've dealt with before where if it's a lot more complex than just a standard portal that they can be a lot more difficult to deal and address.
So the thing that we got was that all of these portals basically had to be closed at the same time. Like it's not something that we could randomly go around and start at one point and close it and then go to the next one and close it. They all had to be close at the same time. Otherwise by the time we finished closing the last one, the first one would reopen.
Right, they all kind of support each other. The only one that you could save for last would be the actual family tree itself, but the points of this hexagon kind of need to be taxed simultaneously. That's one of the reasons why we didn't actually do anything that night at that home is because we didn't want to, well anything we did would have been through this basically. That's a pentagram.
Peaches is drawing a pentagram. Well, it's the 5.1, the pentagram. The pentagram pentagram. Well, she's drawn here.
It looks like the pentagon. But it's interesting because we went down into the kitchen to talk to the family just to kind of let them know what we had encountered, what we figured out. As we're talking to the family, I'll send the water start shooting out underneath it. Well, there was a loud like popping noise inside the cupboard and then water just started gushing out of the cabinets.
Right, and I mean, so the homeowner actually pulled up in the cabinet underneath the sink and one of the water lines had basically pulled off and was just shooting water everywhere. And we were able to get it shut off, but the little girl came up and said, they're mad that you guys are here is basically what they said is the... Yes, the water broke because they're mad at you. Right.
And as we were also talking to him, I decided to kind of walk through the house. It was like walking through, I walked into their storage room and it had this decorative Halloween looking skull that was hung up on the wall. And as soon as I walked in, my attention was just immediately drawn to it. And before we got too much more into that, I remember when I took a net sight to the garage, we'd walked past this thing.
I hadn't even... neither one of us noticed it. But he was telling me on his way down, like he got that image of a skeleton or skull in his head and it popped in his head again. When we went to the garage, he was like, there's a skull or a skeleton or something to do with something like that.
See, I was completely unaware of this now actually. Yeah, so he actually told me that there was something involving a skeleton or skull that kind of popped in his head on his way to the investigation. And we didn't know what it was up until this point where you actually saw it on the wall. So for those who are new to the show and haven't really heard me talk about it before, I'm not a medium.
I'm not a psychic. The only gift I have, if you will, is I can pick up on object attachments like nobody's business. When I walk into a place with an object attachment, my eyes are immediately drawn to it. It's like it's staring at me.
I almost can't avert my gaze. I get kind of tunnel vision on what it is that I'm seeing. And so I walked into this kind of storage room and there's this plastic Halloween skull up on the wall. And my eyes are immediately drawn to it.
And like I said, it's kind of a tunnel vision type of thing. It's almost like it's staring at me. And I walked in and I had made all of it with me. And I walked in and I saw it in about one second later, I pointed it.
I said that. That has got to go. That cannot be here. Which is funny because right after the homeowners or the renters were telling us that their older kids like to use that skull to scare the younger one, that actually the sensitive one, they can actually see or they have the energy to tell her to kill herself.
Which is interesting about that because there's been, we found through our investigation that there was previous homeowners that had younger girls as well that lived there in that same house. That that entity had called them the same thing. Yeah, and it's interesting because I pulled the skull off the wall and you could feel an energy about it. It just had kind of a dark buzz.
I can't really explain it, but it was kind of heavy and just it's kind of funny because Tim had his bag of different gemstones and whatnot that he takes on investigations. And he was trying everything he could think of to see if he could change the energy of that thing. And it wasn't happening. In fact, we sat on the kitchen table and tried a few different things.
Soon put it in a circle of salt and put more basil on it. And like I said, I can't hurt my eyes. I mean, I'm just staring at this thing, just trying to make heads or tail of it. And eventually Tim removed it from the home.
Well, the little girl was, it got to the point where the youngest daughter was, she was just freaking out. She's like, that needs to leave the house, get it out of the house. She's like, I don't want this around anymore. Yeah, and so Tim took and disposed of it properly.
What was interesting was after this was all said and done, we were outside talking with the homeowners and kind of as the team. And the mother of this little girl brought her outside and said she needs to tell you guys something. And so like their friends with Kate and so Kate was holding the little girl. And eventually the little girl basically whispered to Kate and the, this dark entity, this type of type three in the home was really angry at me.
It was really unhappy that I was there. It was unhappy that we removed the skull. And so that's one that we will be going back to eventually to try and see if we can shut things down and close it up. But yeah, so that was our weekend last week.
I think that made that skull, the entity attached the skull that made it really mad was when I decided to take my rosary and put the cross right on top of it. And so it was just like the only thing that was touching it was my rosary was touching the skull. And I know I went and disposed of it and when I got back from throwing it or putting it right, I was like, oh, you put it in and pointed exactly in the direction that I was where I put the item. And I'm like, yeah, you know, and he's like, because I can hear laughing at you.
And my response is like, okay, it can laugh from where I put the item at once. It's not in the home anymore. Right. And it was interesting all the way around though.
I also saw that shadow. Like when we were talking, I looked over and I saw someone looking at me through the windows of my truck. It was standing right next to my driver's eye door watching us. And I looked over and I saw it duck down real quick.
And I'm like, is there someone by my truck and getting like, yeah. So I got to say down and we saved everybody and saved my truck. So it was an interesting night. We've got more investigations coming up.
I know we've got Vincent Grissmill here coming up in near future. We'll be talking about that again. This Saturday. It is a Saturday.
What else we got? We got a couple more. I don't know. Actually, by the time that people here this episode will have been last Saturday, maybe, last Saturday.
Yeah, I'm going to say because this Wednesday and other expo was coming out and then this episode will air after that. So by the time you hear the Vincent Grissmill over, have had happened. So it was delicious. It was fantastic.
You know how quick the food yet it was gone. It was amazing because I was there. I know that last night, Deann, Mark, Nate Alderman, some other one on a residential investigation. Yeah, I wanted to go on that.
Unfortunately, my friend was in town from Georgia and I haven't seen him over here. Yeah, I decided I better shut some time with my kid. That's my time with him. I know there was an investigation that one of our listeners had us perform two weeks ago.
Yeah, so we've got stuff on top to talk about. Keep in mind for the next couple months, the shows here, you're going to get a lot of guests because we've got Brian Cano. We'll probably have him on for a full episode. Last week, when you hear our last episode of our expo interviews, there was a lady named Ruth.
I'm going to try to get her back on for a full episode. And then the week, well, there's one where we talked to Jules and that was, at this point, when you hear this episode a little bit like two weeks ago. Yeah, now I'm just getting confused. We had one where there's a woman who works with plant spirits and for Aquamanum.
And we're hoping to get her on for a full episode to talk about that. We actually had a really interesting offer, a conversation with her and I'd really like to get the same information recorded down to you guys. So you're going to hear a lot of guests coming up over the next episode. We've got Tim Conyers.
Everybody, Tim Conyers is going to be on an episode coming up here soon. And reality, if you guys like the guest let us know because we've got a lot of guests we'd like to bring on. I mean, there's a lot of stuff we can talk about that we've done. I'm feeling the show with guests because for two reasons, one, it kind of gives you guys other people's perspectives on the paranormal world, not just ours.
And two, it just makes it easier for us to feel real-time. Yes, because there's only so much we can talk about with our experiences and our knowledge before you guys are tired of hearing from us. So, I mean, if you love hearing the guests, let us know if there's certain guests that you want us to try to get on. I know that we could possibly get Ben Hanson on.
I'm not even getting on. I actually need to schedule it. We need to get Ben on. I've been working with Cami at Asylum 49.
We'll probably have her and her husband on after Halloween because they're super busy right now getting the experience. We'll have them on at some point in time. And I know that we need to see if we can get John Zefes. Yeah, and that's potentially the work too.
We've got some contacts there. We'll be doing some live recording as well at the upcoming Expo as we've got the metaphysical Expo on the 16th, which should be, if this airs when I think it does, it should be this Saturday. But either way, it's the 16th. We'll be interviewing some people there as well.
And then I know on the paranormal Expo on October 7th, we'll be doing some live interviews as well. So anyway, thanks you guys. We appreciate you guys tuning in. We will be back in a week or so with more content.
And other than that, have a great night, everybody. Peace out, butterflies. I believe you jump in the line. Rocky body in time.
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