What happened to me in my life is statistically impossible. So someone upstairs was looking out, yet I wasn't showing that respect of saying, I trust that you love me. I trust that everything's going to be okay. Giving that trust to the universe, I've seen amazing miraculous things start to happen in my life.
You and your wife have the most amazing eyes. So having to stare directly at you and do this podcast, I feel like I'm slowly falling in love. So there you go. So now we can do this because I have to stare into those pools.
This is why you don't look at me, Arthur. This is why. It's like someone doesn't give me eye contact. Yeah, it's funny.
Prince is right there because there's that famous joke of like, never look Prince in the eyes, you'll fall in love. This is what you learn at the Jay Shetty podcast. I love it, man. You look different since the last time I saw you.
Yeah, shaved. Shaved. And you look well though. You look great, man.
Thanks, man. And I wanted to tell people because I think when people see people connecting, they don't realize sometimes how organically people meet. And I want to share that story, if that's okay. And you can fill in the details.
Let's do it. But it was a couple of years ago. We were at our mutual friend, Justin Baldoni's movie premiere. Yeah.
He had the movie coming out, Five Feet Apart. And I went to the movie premiere. I was running late. I didn't think I was going to make it.
I was like, oh gosh, I don't want to let Justin down. I really want to be there for him. And then I'm walking in and then I see you walking in. And I knew who you were based on all the incredible work you've been doing for two decades now or more.
And I knew you. I didn't know that. I was a fan of what you were putting out there and the positivity. So when I saw you, I got just as excited.
So I got excited and I was in this space where I was like, I have to go and tell him because if someone's impacted your life or you love the artists they work with, the work that they do. Today, we're going to discuss all the philanthropy work you're doing. When you're into someone, I feel like it's so important to not go and ask for a picture, but to go and express how you feel about them. And so I came up to you and I was like, Scooter, I'm a big fan of all the work you're doing.
Congratulations. And then when you said it back to me, and I remember the words you said, they were so powerful and it just showed me how present you were. And I think maybe people don't know this about you because not everyone gets to bump into you. But you were like, I see the work you're doing is really important that you've been doing it.
And you said, you're doing the most important work. I meant it. Yeah. And it really touched my heart.
I was so, you know, I was so humbled and honored to hear that from you. And then we, we were like, let's get together. And I think you kind of looked at me when I said it as like, okay, yeah, I'm not really going to get together. Definitely.
And we ended up going for lunch or, you know, our wives met. Yeah. Our wives met and we became friends and, you know, and then you joined us on a trip and, you know, it's a, I just, I'm so happy to see your message getting louder and louder and bigger and bigger because I think you're, you're giving people a lot of the things I need to hear and a lot of positivity and allowing them to slow down and take a breath. Thank you, man.
And I've always felt that support from you and we've had some amazing trips and Some good walks. And some good walks as well. Some really important walks and meaningful times in my life. And you've always been so helpful, mentoring, supportive as well.
And so thank you. But today, I think, you know, the fascinating thing for me is that you have these incredible artists that you founded. You then have the man behind the people, the work, the person. But then even far removed from that, you have the work that the man is doing behind the scenes.
And so it's almost like you're twice removed. The real you, the behind the scenes version of you is almost so distant from what people experience on the front lines. That's what I want to discover today and share today because that's what I feel I got a glimpse of. Yeah, I think you did.
And, I think it's so funny that we're doing this because we talked about doing this pre-COVID. Yeah. And then COVID hit and a lot of things happened. A lot of things changed.
And, you know, for me, COVID was an opportunity to slow down and do some real self-reflection and self-work, which I think we all should be doing at all times. You know, I really came to terms with the fact that as long as I'm breathing, I'm a student. And it's funny that you start there because obviously my nickname is Scooter and my, my given name was Scott. And I can tell you, I don't remember ever liking the name Scott until now.
You know, I didn't realize until I did the work I've done really over the last six months that I kind of left Scott behind in a way and built something that I thought was powerful enough to be in the world. Something that I thought deserved to be loved by the world. And I didn't realize subconsciously how much I had left that inner child behind. And my friends didn't realize it.
And I was having fun and everything else, but I was always kind of trying to build something new because of, you know, you and I spoke about this. One of the quotes that I love, someone said, many times we don't know our trauma because it was never ours. And, you know, my grandparents are Holocaust survivors and my parents went through what they went through. And I feel like I kind of inherited some of that where I always felt like when is it going to get taken away?
When are they going to show up and take it away from me? So I was always building for something else to protect me and my family, not realizing that everything that I ever needed was right here in the present. And doing this work, I went back and got Scott. And I think you saw a glimpse of that.
Certain friends of mine saw a glimpse of that. And I feel like coming out of COVID, I'm putting that more on the forefront. Yeah, I love hearing that. Yeah, I started there just because I think it's the root of today's conversation.
You know, us sitting down here today is two friends wanting to go deep in a conversation we would have offline, but online and hearing you say that is so freeing. I'm sure for everyone who's listening and watching for themselves too, because I think all of us are holding onto a trauma that's not ours or something that we experienced. Let's, let's focus on that. Let's go back then to what were you like as a kid?
Because I'm intrigued to know, I didn't know you then. What were you like? Like, were you always confident? Was there an insecurity?
What is it that you were working towards as a kid, or at least in hindsight? You know, look, I, I respect for people that I love. There's certain things I'm not going to go into only because I realized now that we all see the world through our lens. And when you really start to do the work, you realize that things that happen to you, a lot of times are happening to you because it's all that people knew, you know, and that it's not about resenting anyone or being angry.
It's actually about loving more and then changing the pattern, you know, because you're choosing that for yourself. So what I can tell you is I was a very sensitive, loving kid and loved everybody, loved having fun, loved shining my light out there, but it was super sensitive. And I think as I grew up, I was, you know, I was raised for a tough world and I was raised by very loving people, but there was a lot of trauma, you know, like I said, the Holocaust, like things happened. And when people go through that, they're trying to protect their next generation.
They're trying to protect their loved ones. So they're giving them that, what you need to look out for. And I'm grateful for that in many ways, because there's great things that come with that. But also as a child, you don't really have that rational thought until you're like six or eight years old.
So you're interpreting things the way you are and you don't realize you're setting these patterns. And I'm not embarrassed to say this, you know, one of the things I did during COVID, in fact, I'm the opposite of embarrassed. I'm grateful to these people. I, uh, I canceled four times on something called the Hoffman process.
And I finally went in October, um, because, you know, friends were pushing me and saying, this is going to be great for you. And I was like, what do I need this for? And I finally went and it was the greatest gift I ever gave myself. And it was the first time in 20 years that I went, no phone, no email, no TV.
I was completely ingrained in this process. And funny enough, which is why you and I haven't connected. When I got out, everyone was like, okay, he's gonna turn his phone back on. And I actually got a burner phone and didn't turn my actual phone back on until the end of the year until 2021, really.
And I, you know, my team stepped up for me. I was kind I can give respect without receiving it. You know, I can give love without receiving it. You know, I can do that for my own self.
I'm just going to respond with kindness because that's what I'm working on. And by the way, it doesn't always work. Like there are mornings you wake up and you're frustrated. We're human.
And I think a beautiful thing my teacher said to me recently, he said, Why are you giving yourself these unrealistic expectations? And it was so beautiful what he said. He said, If you say to yourself, I'm going to work out every single day this month, and then you miss one workout. You know what you normally do?
You end up missing three or four because you're kind of ashamed that you missed that one. So you kind of fall off the wagon. The truth is stop giving yourself this crazy expectation. Give yourself some self-compassion.
We're not perfect. We're flawed. So if I miss that workout, you know what? That's okay.
I'll get back on it tomorrow. You know, and the same thing goes with anger, with frustration. You're allowed to fall and stumble and then realize and get back on. And that's the biggest thing I'm working on because I'm a perfectionist.
I want to, you know, I want to get this learning right. But it doesn't, it doesn't end here. You know, if it ends, I die. You know, and then I get probably come back and learn again.
Yeah. Which is, by the way, anyone wants to understand you and I talk about this many lives, many masters by Ryan Weiss. It's a very good book to read to kind of just give yourself an idea of why thinking about reincarnation is such a beautiful way to look at life. Yes, absolutely.
But yeah, it's, these are the things you and I talk about. I know. Go on. No, I'm saying it's people like I get on the podcast and they're like, we're gonna talk career and everything else.
And I said, I want to do Jay's because we're probably not going to talk any career. Yeah. Well, for me, it's just this coming from hashtag no days off. So when I met you, it was hashtag no days off.
And I'm going down a personal, but we worked out together. I've never thrown up that bad in my life. If you remember, yeah, I was a little out of control with the expectations working out. I was like, are you okay?
We worked out together. We did this crazy circuit and I don't like high intensity for anyone who's listening or watching. And literally we did this workout and I, you know, I mean, you can tell. It's got a completely different body to mine.
I'm doing. I'm not like I was back then, but I will say you're competitive. Yeah, because you would not tell me you weren't okay. And I just said, Jay, you look a little.
No, I'm good. I'm good. Let's keep going. And there were three of us and you didn't want to be the one person falling out.
And then finally, finally, you literally sat down on the ground and you're like, I'm not okay. And you just, you said, I'm going to go to the bathroom and you disappeared for a good 45 minutes. Yeah, literally. I was puking like anything, but it was just, yeah, it was.
Yeah, I always had that spirit of wanting to see how far I can go. And when I did that as a monk, there were experiences that broke me because we were doing crazy fasts, crazy meditations and all it brought me back to was the realization that I wasn't Superman. Yeah. And, and I think that that's what I'm hearing from what I'm hearing you say too, is the idea of like, no matter how able you are and how capable you are and the boundaries that you push, we all still have, and you're going to fall again.
Correct. I'm having this learning and having this epiphany. I'm going to break again, you know, and this time I have tools to put my hand on my chest and say, we all suffer. The world is filled with suffering.
Give yourself some self-compassion, you know, and, and give it to others. And it's, it's been a beautiful thing. And I credit some amazing people in my life who really pushed me to go there. And you know, when you go there, there's also sadness, you know, realizing how many things you missed because you were planning for something in the future.
How many times you weren't present because you thought you had to protect something that you already had, you know, and I, I'm just grateful. I'm not gonna spend another 39 years not knowing these things. And I look forward to every five years telling you another level of learning. Yeah, it has to be that way.
You know, and I, and I, and I weirdly like the falls are where the greatest learnings are. Thousand percent, thousand percent. And that's, and that's the problem, right? What you just said about missing a day of a workout and then it ends up missing four days.
It's the same when we go, okay, well now I'm not going to fall because I found a new place of enlightenment. And what we don't realize is again, like you said, it may not be every five days, but every three or four years, there's going to be another moment of revelation. And when you keep thinking, Oh no, no, this time I've got it. That's, that's where the mistake is made is like, Oh, this time it's not going to happen.
But tell me about what does it take? Because I remember you discussing the Hoffman project with me when we first met, you were like, Oh, I think I'm going to this, etc. I want to know a bit more about the process of Hoffman so that everyone can be exposed to it and understand a bit more as much as they can. But also like, what does it take for someone like you to go in that direction?
Like what does it take? What happened? What's going on in order to urge you and encouraging you? It's not as significant.
Yeah, it's not. No. It wasn't like, you know, it was funny when I went, I started, my wife and I started hearing all kinds of rumors of like, he's gone crazy and this and that because I was away and you know, all kinds of weird things. But it wasn't that.
It was just feeling like I wasn't present in my life and feeling like the people around me who love me, I felt their hurt because one, we're all coming in with our own trauma and weirdly our trauma was matching up and I couldn't fix it. I'm a fixer. You know, I'm the guy who, since I was a kid, I'm gonna make it be okay for everybody. And if there was this, I just couldn't fix things in this moment in time.
And suddenly, because I couldn't fix things, I started to spiral. Uh, I started to literally lean more into my negative patterns of wanting to control things because I couldn't fix things. And my heart was in the best place. I wanted everything to be okay and everyone to be happy, but I couldn't get everything in the right place.
And I've been playing that chess game for so long and the board was getting away from me. And suddenly I realized a very dark thought came into my head, the ultimate I'm not enough, the ultimate I shouldn't be here. And that's not me. And when that thought entered my mind, I said, What are you doing here?
I said, Whoa, that I've never gone that dark. And I signed up for the Hoffman process the next day. Why Hoffman? Tell us a bit about it for anyone who doesn't know, because I think I love giving credit where it's due to places and retreats.
Started by a guy named Bob Hoffman. In the United States, there's one in the Napa area and there's one in Connecticut. Um, amazing woman named Liza was the one who is one of the co CEOs with her husband. And it's a nonprofit.
It's just amazing process that really delves into spirituality, delves into early childhood, delves into your trauma, your patterns. And you give yourself over for basically seven days. No phone, no email, no working out, no book, no nothing. And there's a lot of writing.
What I will say to you is, I don't want to go into the processes because it's important. Whoever does it is surprised. But what was interesting is I started, I had certain people, you know what you need? You need to go to Hoffman.
And I'd canceled four times and it was always a reason. I'm not gonna go this. I don't need this. Like I'm busy.
And one of my friends, who's one of the most brilliant friends I have, he said to me, when I went in, I went in to manipulate it so I can come out and show people I love look, I did this. Aren't you proud of me? Because someone that you know, he loved to done it. And he looked at me and he said, you can't manipulate this.
And I was fascinated that he said that because he's such a smart guy. And I'm like, What could they really do in a week? And he said, It's going to be the most remarkable experience of your life. And my other friend, Penny had said it to me.
And you know, and I, um, I decided I'm gonna go. And it felt like I was, it was gone for a year almost. You know, I really gave myself over to this process and made really amazing friendships. Um, I wasn't like sharing.
You share feelings and you know, different things. And I opened up in a way that I never expected. And I laugh now because I look back at the timeline of when we did things because I had this workbook and I And you know, last night I did a clubhouse talk with Demi. And she became my client over the past year.
And she's been through a lot. We have this amazing documentary coming out. And she and I were talking about her whole career. Every time she faltered, she has the strength to get back up.
And people call her a role model. And she's like, I'm just afraid because it's just too much perfection to live in. And then I always crash. And she started to do interviews with this new album.
And she's like, I want to be a role model. And I called her up and said, what are you doing? I said, you're giving yourself that same sense, self, you know, perfection that caused you to fall before. I said, we got to change the word.
And I thought about my brother, Adam, who has a nonprofit called Pledge the Promise. And he told me, I don't want to be called nonprofit. I want to be called for purpose. I don't want to say what we don't want to say what we do.
And I said to Demi, stop calling yourself a role model. Let's go with real model. You're a real person. And you are flawed.
And you are imperfect. And you are honest. And you don't have to be perfect ever again. And we like that.
And that's how she's saying now. And I think if we start treating ourselves and others with this same sense of, that's why I hate cancel culture. I mean, I understand we all have a lot of pain. But if we don't give people an opportunity for growth, what are we doing?
We're just getting the next generation the same pain. You know, and it's a hard thing to ask people. It's a hard thing to ask when you've been abused, when you've been persecuted, when you've been mistreated, to love your neighbor. You know, that's a very tall order.
And I don't think it's my right to tell someone to do it. But I can choose to start doing it in my own life. And I can tell you it's hard. It's hard.
And I falter and I stumble sometimes. And I said to my wife just the other day, I said, hey, I caught myself the other day. I was upset with someone and how they treated me. So I made a comment to you that wasn't the kindest comment about them.
You know, it wasn't awful, but I just wasn't giving them their credit because I was upset about something that happened to me. I said, if you catch me doing that, can you just, if you notice it, just tell me to stay in my heart. And she was like, I got you. And I think that's what I'm trying to do.
I'm trying to stay there. Yeah. And that's that accountability culture. Like, you know, you have someone in your life that you're being accountable to, your wife in this example.
And like that feeling of we do need accountability. We want to be accountable to ourselves, to the people we love, the people that are important. And I just want to point out, I don't know if you know this, how perfect it was that you said the real and role models thing. Tupac said we need real models, not role models.
And I'm looking at him. I'm looking at you. And I'm like, I'll take my shirt off. Yeah.
Show me the love more. But it's so, that's such a beautiful point. And, you know, I want to share this because we talked about this. And I struggle with that.
So me and my wife, when we talk about relationships, we talk about our mistakes. If you listen to our podcast, she's been to my guest three times. Every year we do an episode together and we talk about everything we get wrong. And the number one comment will be hashtag relationship goals.
Or the number one comment will be like, hashtag cutest couple or whatever it is. And my comment back will be, please listen to what I'm saying. And so what I find is that we've been conditioned and programmed to want someone to be perfect. Demi, you, Justin, Ariana, whoever, me and my wife.
No one's perfect. None of us are perfect. That's why when you and I talked once, I said, we're made to serve, not to be worshiped because no one can live up to worship. No one.
Above from God. God, that's it. You know, worship God. Serve each other.
Yes. I love that. That thought is, is perfect and beautiful. But that's what I mean that because we've been conditioned to want to worship humans, we direct that worship into an athlete, into a singer, into a teacher, into a guide, whoever it is.
But it's a shame that even when you have someone opening up and saying what it's actually like, our programming up here is so strong that we still project perfection. So now the new trend is before it was, if you were flawless or at least presented yourself as flawless, that was considered worship worthy. Today. Now it's the opposite.
If someone's really vulnerable, that's worship worthy. But the point is what you just said is let's move away from worship completely and let's just serve and support each other. I want to say two things to this. One is about you and one is about me.
Okay. It's good. We're both in the room. I'm going to go with you first, just because, and then I can end on me.
So you don't feel bad a little over a year ago, you called me and you said, can we go for a walk? And we went for a walk. And I said, this is the unfortunate thing that we do to each other. We get to this place where we just want to tear each other down.
And there's that line in Batman where they say, you know, if you do it well long. I forgot the line perfectly, but it's like, if you do it well long, right. If you do something long enough, you too could be the villain. I know exactly.
You know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's a good line. It's I think, I think Heath said it as the Joker. You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain.
Yeah. There you go. Yep. And, and, and that's so spot on.
And what we do to each other. And for me, I, I've recently watched the Queen's Gambit special. The show on Netflix, which is fantastic. And I had coming out of Hoffman and seeing that.
I just had this epiphany that I had been this chess player my whole life. I stared at the board and people would come and show me attention and affection because of my skills on that board. So I thought, oh, that's love. So I'm going to keep playing this game.
And people said, wow, you're really good at this. You're smart. You look at the career you're building. Look at the life you're building.
The chess pieces are moving and moving and moving and moving. But I never took the time to stop, take a breath and say, Hey, I'm really good at this game. If you ever want to talk about it, I'm happy to. But my name is Scott.
Nice to meet you. Until now. And so many people that loved me didn't know me. That's where the darkness was coming from because I don't feel like I've changed.
I feel like I've reclaimed myself. And that was the gift of this year. You know, I, and I've had so many friends, oh, you're such a change. I shaved because when I was doing the meditation, I saw the spiritual version of myself that I wanted to be.
I didn't have a beard and I literally shaved that night and I haven't had a beard since. And I feel good because I went back and got me, you know, and, and I love the person that I was all these years. And that's a part of me. I just reclaimed the rest of me.
And I was relying too much on one side of the body. I went and got the rest and now I'm walking in a straight line and not putting so much pressure on my right foot. Yeah. You know, that must feel good.
It does. And I have this teacher now who literally, I will lay out things that have been done to me that are very anyone else would be like, and he looks at me and goes, well, what role did you play? Yeah. And it's an interesting thing because you go through life just learning.
And, you know, I think that's why, you know, I would look at people and God, well, God forbid me. And I'd get frustrated growing up because I'd be like, you're just making an excuse using God. Yeah. But I actually now realize why was I frustrated that they felt forgiven?
Yeah. That was my stuff. I'm angry that they felt forgiven because I hadn't forgiven myself for something. Yes.
You know, and I had my own work to do. And I was projecting my stuff on them. Yeah. And the truth is, if we can all get to a place, if God sees everything that we're doing, he sees our messy because we're all messy, but he loves our messy.
And if we can get to a place where we start to love each other in the messy, that's when you start to feel really loved. You know, I started to love myself in the messy. Now I'm loving other people in my life in the messy. And that's real love.
It's not, it's easy to love somebody when they're showing up for you all the time. Yeah. It's easy to love someone when they're do good, when they're doing good and they're giving you this ideal of perfection that makes you feel good. You know, we're not even perfection.
They should make you feel good. It's so much harder to love somebody when they disappoint you. Yeah. You know, and what I've started You're telling me on my own.
But what I wanted to ask you is, what is your response to someone who is saying, this is easy to talk about, but what about in this capitalistic society that I live in, if I'm doing all this, I think I need to kind of just bury my head in the sand and just work, work, work, work, work. I don't have time for feelings and relationships. I need to get this money. Because I've gone on this new Clubhouse many times.
And I go into these rooms and I hear everybody talking about, get this money, get this money. How do I get to the top? How do I do this? How do I do that?
And every time I go in a room, I keep trying to say, the top of the mountain isn't what you expect. So I wanted to kind of push you on that. Because you have extraordinary people who are living extraordinary lives coming on here. And there are a lot of people out there, and I was once in certain positions, but I'm not in that position right now.
And I'm sensitive to that and I'm compassionate to that. What do you tell somebody who says, this is all nice and everything, but I don't have that liberty. Yeah. So the first thing I'd say is that we all get to choose what our intention right now in life is.
And if that's the intention that makes you happy and suits you, that's fine. I don't even want to edit it. I don't want to convince you of anything because I remember being in a similar position myself. Not so long back, a few years ago.
And I know that I had an intention to make a choice. At the same time, I would say to them, if you're open to the idea that there is a better, smarter, more fulfilling way to go about making money, building a business, finding your way to the top, whatever you want to call it, then this is that path. And if you're open to that, then what you're hearing from Suda, but again, what I loved you said, and you actually made this really clear. There was a mindset you've got to this at the right time for you.
Yeah. Which I'm remembering because that means that that person, whoever's saying that, is going to get to this. I don't know anyone who I meet who doesn't get to this. Whether they're a billionaire or whether they just started out.
I was lucky enough to get it at 18 when I met my monk teachers. This is the stuff I was talking about at 18 years old because that's what I was given in this life. And there are some people that I've met that take till 70 to get it. Some people in their 30s.
And the point is that you are going to have to get here at some point. Everyone's going to get to get to this point. You need the context from before. Correct.
That's what my, I love this. Just do whatever you do intentionally. That's what my teacher said to me. He goes, you're exactly where you're supposed to be.
And it's, you know, Coretta Scott King said, each generation has to fight the fight all over again. You know, all of us, none of us get out unscathed. And all of us get the blessing of the journey. And I was thinking about, you know, the teaching we all get in our Judeo-Christian society of Adam and Eve and this idea that we sinned and we were cast out.
We were punished. We were punished. We were cast out. We realized we were nude.
We were shamed. That's why we started wearing clothes, all this different stuff. And I started thinking about that as a parent, because we're all God's children. So I was like, well, let me rephrase this in my mind.
When I give my child the consequence or punishment, I don't do it because I'm mad at them. I do it because I love them and I'm trying to guide them to an important lesson. And I realized that my idea of this idea that the original sin took place was wrong. I believe that all of us, because God loves us and wants us to learn, are given the gift of life and the gift of struggle and the gift of being cast out so that we can go and get the context we need to appreciate the Garden of Eden, the heaven, the spirituality, the enlightenment.
And it's an exciting way to look at things now, that everything, that's why I love reading Many Lives, Many Masters, because when I kind of realized that a lot of major religions in spirituality actually all believe in reincarnation. Kabbalah talks about reincarnation. A lot of major religions talk about reincarnation in their spirituality practices. And when you read this book, which is a true story, and you kind of understand that if you just kind of accept that you get to come back and you're always learning, you start to not fear death anymore.
And you start to realize this is going to be hard. There are days my heart's going to ache. There are days I'm not going to want, I feel like I can't breathe because I'm hurting. But all of those feelings, all of that is helping us learn things and give us context for greater lessons.
And I'm in it and I'm excited. And I know that the funny part is, I've come to terms with the fact that like, I'm not here to have this great life. I love my life and I'm grateful. And I'm going to, like I told you, I'm going to keep pouring my glass and other people's glasses.
But I think the thing I'm most thrilled about is now I understand that pain is coming. Happiness is coming. Joy is coming. Heartache is coming.
When I least expect it, because the fact that I wake up every morning and I'm still breathing means that there's something else for me to learn. I kind of take some joy in that now. Yeah, but see this, but what you just said at the end, that last thing that you said, but I take joy in that now. That was the, this sounds intense, but it's actually beautiful.
And that's where the joy part comes in. So when we were trained, the scripture would say that life is about education, not enjoyment. Like life's about enlightenment, not enjoyment. Now, what I mean by that is the joy of learning is the joy of life, but we are seeking enjoyment through the temporary pleasure, through the external satisfaction, through the quick win, through the top, through the mountain, whatever it may be.
And as soon as you switch that, so every area you walk, if you walked into every room today and you went in there and said, how can I learn from it? And how can I serve in it? Versus how can I enjoy this moment? I love that.
That's the difference. I love it. We walk into everyone going, how can I enjoy this? You see a woman or a man, you go, how can I enjoy them?
You see a house, you go, how can I enjoy this? You know, it's funny. I'm thinking to myself, where's the struggle? The struggle is when I haven't learned the lesson from the last room and I'm still stuck on that lesson and I got to walk into the next room.
And that's where you start to get in a vicious cycle. And, you know, it's like you start to falter. Give yourself that grace of, hey, let's slow down. Let's take that big, deep breath.
Let's reset. That's why, you know, when you, we went on that trip together, you guys were waking up every morning and meditating. And I was like, I've learned TM and I now meditate every morning and it has changed my life. And you know what?
Let me rephrase that. I try to meditate every morning. There are days that I miss. And now I give myself the grace of, I'll get back on it tomorrow.
Or maybe I'll do a quick one tonight. You know, I'm not, oh, I meditate every day. You know, it's, I, I enjoy meditating. I like what it does for me.
And I'm, if I miss one, I give myself that grace and I get back on the horse tomorrow. Yeah. But that's what I mean. That, that, that the joy and people go, well, then where's the fun in life?
If I'm always learning, where's the fun? The learning is the fun part. Like when you come into a new place and like your teacher said, you're curious. And when you came in here, you're like looking at the quotes, looking at the people, you don't try to enjoy the art.
You're like curious and you want to learn. That is the fun of life. That's childlike. That's childlike.
Exactly. But it's a childish mentality is to enjoy. Well, you know, it's funny. As I started diving into all the different major religions, there's a quote in almost every major religion that talks about God.
Like they ask Jesus, they say, show me, you know, show me God. And he says, look at the child. And in Judaism, they say it in Hindu, they say like all these, every religion, you'll find something that points to the child and the innocence of the child and the love the child has. And, you know, for me, I talked to someone who actually went to Hoffman after me.
And, you know, this person hit me up and they were like, I'm losing the high. Life is pulling me back in. I'm getting depressed. I'm losing the high that I had three weeks ago when I got out.
How do I get it back? And I said, I don't know if I'm right, but I'll try and answer this question. And the way I'm going to answer it, I don't know if you're going to like. I said, you got a high because you dealt Now you're basically blocking yourself from doing the same thing.
Agreed. And the more permission you give everyone to do that, the more it happens. Why give yourself permission to say, what was my role? Yeah, I love that.
What was my role? Because I think that's where it starts. If you can forgive yourself for something you might not even recognize, then it's much easier. You asked me what happened earlier, and I was thinking about that just now, like, you know, is there a specific thing that happened?
You know what happened? My wife, Yale, and my children. I learned I love somebody more than me. And loving them made me go do the work.
So what happened is they were the greatest gift of my life. And for that, I'm eternally grateful. And I want each of them to have their own individual process and their own individual journey. And I want them to know that I love them in their messy.
And I'm just grateful for them. That's it. Yeah, I love that, man. And I'm so grateful to you.
I want to say it back to you because, you know, when I've gone through my tough times, you really get to see who shows up for you, especially when they're a newer friend or someone you're just getting to know. And when you stepped by me and supported me, not in a, we've never had a relationship. It's not just like, oh yeah, yeah, we're boys. Like, it's not like that.
It's let's look in the mirror. What work have you got to do? What do you need to work on? What, where are you?
What is your role in this? Like that friendship, I think is so special. And then feeling support from that. Again, loving your friends through growth, loving yourself through growth, making sure that you know you need to change, but you love someone through that change.
Scooter, we end every interview with the final five, which are the rapid fire fast five questions. So you have to answer in one word or one sentence maximum. Let's go. I am judging you only if you talk too long.
And I will, and I will ask, I will ask you to expand when I get intrigued. All right. So starting with your first question. You ready?
All right. The first question is what's the best advice you've ever received? Um, David Geffen told me that, well, first it's love more, but really when it comes to my life, David Geffen told me that in a hundred, if you don't know who he is, look him up. He said in a hundred years, no one's gonna remember me.
So they sure as hell won't remember you. Don't have an ego. And I loved it. That is great piece of advice.
All right. Second question. What's the worst piece of advice you've ever received? I think as a kid, you're told it's your fault and you start to believe, I'm a bad kid.
I deserve that. And I think that was the wrong advice. Beautiful man. All right.
Number three, uh, something that you are pretty sure and confident about, but other people don't quite wrap their head around yet. Um, that Bitcoin will eventually be worth 500,000. Oh, you think it's gonna, I think long-term. Yes.
I believe in Bitcoin long-term and there's a lot of people that don't believe in it, but I believe in Bitcoin long-term. Okay. All right. Well, we didn't even talk about that.
So Bitcoin followers, which I don't think I have a lot of, uh, we'll figure it out. All right. Uh, let's talk any business. There's a lot of fun for me.
Yeah. We didn't talk any business. That's what my thing. We're also, and also look, you know, this 90% of what I do in business, people don't even know, which is the way I like it.
So let's keep going. Well, no, for me, it was just, the reason why we didn't talk about business is because when I started the podcast, it was all about what can I talk to people about that no one else can do. It's also, you and I don't have that relationship, nor should we. Yeah.
We have a real relationship. It's not about this. It's about the person in front of you. Totally.
And also just like you, your prolific, you talk about so many different things in so many different places, but this we're going to talk about it. You know, this is something. It's also funny because you have treated me the way I actually want to treat myself. Like I told you about the chessboard of raising my head up and saying, hi, nice to meet you.
I'm good at this. I remember one time you called me and you said, hey, I don't want to overask, but like, we're friends. And, you know, I'm trying to think about investing. If you have any advice ever.
And that was great because I love that. I want to be able to help a friend. And if I'm good at something, I want to be able to offer that. But you've always looked across the table and said, hi, I'm Jay.
Hi, Scott Scooter. You know, nice to meet you. Let's be friends. And that's why I love this conversation.
But sorry, go back to rapid fire. No, no, no, no. We got to, yeah, this is the worst rapid fire. Let's get back to it.
All right. Last two questions, four and five. Oh, now, now I'm like, I've got two questions left for you. What do I ask you?
I know what the fifth one is. You have three more because I've done a poor job with the other one. No, no, no. You've actually given beautiful answers.
We got distracted about the last one. Number four, something you once chased and no longer care about. Recognition. And fifth and final question, if you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?
Love more. Beautiful. Scooter Braun, thank you, man. Thank you, my friend.
This is so special. This goes down as one of the most beautiful open conversations. Well, let's end it right. Scott Scooter Braun.
Now, you know, all of me, buddy. So now I call you Scott from now on. You call me Scott Scooter, whatever we want. But now it's all of me is here.
I got to tell you, I'm so grateful we did this. I'm so grateful for your friendship. And I'm just proud of you as a friend for the message you delivered to the world. Thank you, man.
And I'm proud of you for having the courage to always be open and vulnerable and honest and live your truth. And for doing the work when externally you don't need to, you know, that's the hardest part when when actually, like you said, you can convince yourself to not do the work because things are good. If we're breathing, it means we got work to do. Absolutely.
Thank you, man. Thank you. Love you, buddy. That was awesome.
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