EPISODE · Dec 31, 2025 · 1H 4M
Scott Payne
from Badass in Heels · host Nancy Aguilar
What does it take to step inside a violent extremist movement — and live to tell the story? Scott Payne, a former FBI undercover agent who infiltrated white supremacist networks from the inside talks about his book Code Name: Pale Horse. Not from a distance. Not from theory. But by living among them, earning trust, and exposing how radicalization really works.We talk about what extremism looks like from the inside.This is a raw, eye-opening conversation about ideology, danger, and the cost of going undercover to protect others.Let’s get into it.
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What does it take to step inside a violent extremist movement — and live to tell the story? Scott Payne, a former FBI undercover agent who infiltrated white supremacist networks from the inside talks about his book Code Name: Pale Horse. Not from a distance. Not from theory. But by living among them, earning trust, and exposing how radicalization really works.We talk about what extremism looks like from the inside.This is a raw, eye-opening conversation about ideology, danger, and the cost of going undercover to protect others.Let’s get into it.
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