Screenwriter Joe Barton Can't Help Himself ('Black Doves' / 'Giri/Haji' / 'Amadeus')

Today I'm joined by British screenwriter JOE BARTON – creator of TV series such as 'Giri/Haji', 'The Lazarus Project', 'Black Doves', and, most recently, 'Amadeus'. We’re going to dissect why I love his work so much – revealing creative DNA from Steven Spielberg to “The West Wing”.Joe and I discuss the following and much more:The creative and cultural influences on his work, examining how Steven Spielberg and the British approach to storytelling synthetized in his own creative processHow he crafts stories that sit between reality and fantasy with a light-hearted yet serious tone – even embracing campThe unique genesis of "Black Doves" and its serendipitous, almost unbelievably quick route to a green light from NetflixHow he developed the central relationship of “Black Doves” by subverting our expectations of the “buddy dynamic” of action-thriller storiesThe difficulty of prioritizing “small pleasures” as a freelance artistThe evolution of TV storytelling and the possibility of a shift away from bleak, unlikable – albeit compelling characters – toward characters and worlds you look forward to spending time with/inJaws, “The West Wing”, Wes Anderson, and much moreBONUS EPISODEA bonus ep is available in which Joe discusses a seminal piece of art from his life: Curtis Hanson’s 2000 film WONDER BOYS, an adaptation of Michael Chabon’s novel of the same name.You can listen to this bonus chat at Apple, Spotify, and Substack:Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bonus-joe-barton-talks-wonder-boys/id1807437928?i=1000714144653Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0eqCb6yafq2IJ29b2caJGt?si=4d70106a88a64c7bSubstack: https://colehaddon.substack.com/p/bonus-episode-joe-barton-talks-wonder?utm_source=publication-searchBecome a paid supporter of this podcast at Apple or Substack and you'll get access to all bonus episodes five to six months earlier than at Spotify.LINKSLearn more about Joe at Wikipedia ⁠here⁠Watch the “Black Doves” ⁠trailer⁠Watch “The Lazarus Project” ⁠trailer⁠Watch the “Giri/Haji” ⁠trailer⁠SUBSCRIBE TO THE '5AM STORYTALK NEWSLETTER'⁠⁠https://colehaddon.substack.com/⁠⁠You'll gain access to both the 5AM StoryTalk newsletter and all episodes of this podcast – including exclusive bonus episodes in which my guests discuss seminal pieces of art from their lives. Ask questions in the comments section there, too!SUBSCRIBE TO THE '5AM STORYTALK PODCAST' AT APPLE⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/5am-storytalk/id1807437928⁠⁠A paid subscription at Apple will get you access to all of my bonus episodes in which my guests return to break down a seminal artwork from their lives.TIP JARNot up for a paid subscription but appreciate the work that’s gone into making this podcast happen? You can “buy me a coffee” ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/colehaddon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SOCIAL MEDIAFollow Cole/5AM StoryTalk at…⁠⁠5AM StoryTalk @ Instagram⁠⁠: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/5amstorytalkpodcast/⁠⁠⁠Cole Haddon @ Instagram⁠⁠: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/colehaddonwashere/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Bluesky⁠⁠: ⁠⁠⁠https://bsky.app/profile/colehaddon.bsky.social⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Threads⁠⁠: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.threads.com/Colehaddonwashere⁠⁠⁠EMAIL⁠[email protected] StoryTalk would like to acknowledge the Traditional Owners of the land on which this podcast is recorded, the Djarra people of the Kulin Nation and pay respects to Elders past and present.This podcast's music is by ⁠⁠Cary Brothers⁠⁠. ⁠⁠https://www.carybrothers.com/⁠⁠