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Open your PC off from a map to get your coupon. Hi everyone, this is Pivot from the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher. And Kara, you literally broke the internet.
So Sean Hannity put out nine tweets. I have never been this jealous. Sean Hannity. No, it's not nine.
He did a bunch last night. But I don't know who you're talking about. No, I do. You're talking.
Well, supposedly he's in TV. He's not a journalist. And he claims he's been warning America and the world about COVID-19, despite I think giving the present platform to call it a hoax and bringing anyone on who will say that we're having a hysterical reaction. You've really got under his skin.
I don't know. I was such surprised. Look, this is a column I remember about my mom. And it's about Fox News parents, really, which is, you know, they're in the foxhole.
It's the joke among people who have parents who love Fox News. So she had been ignoring a lot of my bothering her and my brother, who's a doctor about COVID-19. And we kept choosing Florida by herself and with some friends, but she kept going out. She's going to restaurants.
And long after you needed to, like you needed to do something about any of Florida just yesterday shut down. So which is just amazing. It took so long. But, you know, we had been saying, why don't you stay in?
Please don't go out to restaurants. And she kept doing it. And I kept sending her charts. And she was irritated by me.
And it's just a column about that. That most of the news she got, and almost all of it, is Fox News. And particularly people like Sean Hannity, who, not everyone on the network, was doing that Tucker Carlson was putting out very good information about the dangers. And I was super fair in this column.
I was like, look, she is a news consumer and responsible herself. But, and I even said at the top of it, you know, I'm not going to sue you, Sean Hannity. And I was referring to a lot of people thinking they should be sued. And I said, I don't think they should be sued.
It's just they're bad at their jobs. And they have a first minute right to be bad at their jobs. And he just went literally, I was the most fair you could be to someone who deserves almost no fairness in this regard. And he just went crazy.
He started tweeting in the morning. And then he went on his radio show. I didn't listen to it because my mom did it for me because she enjoys it. And then he went on his TV show last night, apparently, and then he tweeted when he finished his TV show.
It was, and everyone seemed to be delighted that he, he melted down and I find it disturbing and depressing that he did. But it's not disturbing and depressing. Let me just review. He called you an incompetent Lazy in a hypocrite, and I got to be honest, I made me a little bit happy.
I don't think it's true. I don't think it's true. And it's strange because Fox is generally so generous to lesbian icons of media. They're usually, they're usually very generous and magnanimous, you know, they're the good folks over at Fox.
And the thing he has issued a challenge, and I think we should call him, he said in his rant. I mean, I'm not joking. This is a moment for you because you have gotten under, you've gotten under the second most powerful man in the world skin. And for some reason, you really pissed him off.
So this is a big moment for you. But he said something, and I think we should accept the challenge. He said that he will hold up his timeline against yours. And that is, his timeline is actually quite similar to you.
It's just about 14 days behind yours. You were telling me when I was said, I don't know, we're going to stop by Southwest. You're like coming and calling and saying, I don't know, Scott, I'm not sure. So you were actually out.
Yeah. I think you're a germaphone and a little strange, but you were actually out in front of this, and you were pretty. I still don't think I was out in front of you. But I definitely was interviewing Ron Klain by very early on, and we had that epidemiologist on the show in late February and February 25th.
So I agree. But this guy is ridiculous. It's ridiculous. All of this is coming down to a very simple methodology around investigation.
That is, what did you know? And when did you know it? And you're saying, and I understand, you're saying that the primary kind of Kevlar here with all media is first amendment, that they have a right to express their opinion. Yeah.
I don't think that's the issue here. I think the issue here is that we're going to find that all of the people saying, go to the pub, all of the people saying, this is a hoax. All of the people on Fox putting out talking points around how this has been. This is nothing but an attempt to embarrass the president and minimizing the rest.
You're going to find that these were the people wearing masks distancing like crazy and showering in Purell and broadcasting from home, that as they were telling the US public, I just, at some point, does negligence become reckless, become malfeasance, become some sort of some form of involuntary or reckless endangerment of other people's lives, because I just don't believe, I think these people, these people, it's not terrible. I think a lot. I think the people at Fox are very smart. I think they're very good at what they do.
And I think anyone who has an IQ over 80, and they all clearly read you in The New York Times, they were all being The New York Times, they were all talking to Dr. Anthony Fauci, must have seen what was coming here. And yet they were telling their consumer base, which average age of 69. So they have an older consumer base.
They have a consumer base that's in Red States. They literally have the most vulnerable consumer base of the virus. They were telling them, hey, don't worry, head out, head out, head back to work. Yeah.
That was the issue with my mom. I think the talking points. And I had to go to Fox to see, because most of the time she argues about whether Nancy Pelosi is in the tank or whatever, I guess she's drunk or that Joe Biden is at all. She has all, you know, after a while, that just becomes tires and noise in the background of her watching that stuff.
But when she started to spew non-correct health information, especially my brothers on the front lines of this in San Francisco, like around, it's just like the flu care. It's not a big deal. The media is spinning it. It's the Democrats trying to score political points.
The only one of the ones that she didn't spew was this idea that Trump was a victim, because she alternately doesn't like him and she amuses her. You know what I mean? But it was really amazing. And last night, she was tweeting me saying, oh, look, Fox News is way up and MSNBC is down.
She's still in their camp. I'm fine. If she wants to live over there in that place, that's fine. But when they put bad health information in front of her, that was my point.
I spent a lot of hours trying to get her to stop going out. And the fact that I had to, and I think I experienced a lot of people had, and I was just reflecting that. And even, I said, you know, I don't think you should sue him because I think they have the right to be bad at their jobs. But literally, unless, you know, there's some emails saying, let's be bad at her jobs.
I don't know. I can't imagine any way I would sue him. On top of it, like he goes crazy and then says, she wants to sue me. And I was like, literally the first lines are, I do not want to sue you and why.
So just this, this like man, baby really is just, it's, he's a man. According to the Daily Beast, you called him a windbag of rage. A windbag. And then actually, oh, wait this.
That's what I usually reserve for you. Okay. This, this, I'm just a windbag. It's a mix of.
It's a mix of, it's a mix of regions of. So if the Daily Beast goes on to say, swisher is a celebrated and supremely well connected tech and media journalist, a formidable figure and so I just threw up in my mouth. That's it. Oh my God.
So I put out pictures of me and Rupert Murdoch when he said he didn't get mispronouncing my name and trying to make it foreign, I guess, I don't know, but, but he kept saying, I don't know. She said, I put out pictures of me hanging out with Rupert at dinner. I was like, ask your boss. But the new, the new, it's just so interesting, the new narrative, the new talking point or the new narrative.
Now that the administration said, okay, if y'all got in a room and finally someone's raised a hand and said, well, okay, let's be honest, let's, we fucked up. We fucked up. It's not going away. It's not disappearing like a miracle.
It's not, it's not going to, we're in trouble. We have more time to prepare for it than anybody else. We claim we have the best healthcare system than anyone else in the world and we have now handled this worse than anyone else in the world and it's going to be an economic disaster and not only a disaster and taking an extraordinary human toll because of the incompetence. And by the way, I want to be clear.
A lot of good reporting is coming out that China was corrupt, that China was not transparent and open about the number of virus. So the two largest economies in the world are embellishing the reputation as corrupt China and incompetence in the United States. But what, what's interesting about what their new talking point is, it's just fascinating from the communication standpoint. It's like, okay, we can't put the genie back in the bottle.
We were late. We're going to die. The economy is going to be in a tailspin longer because of our refusal to get out ahead of this. Now they're saying, now they're, they're basically essentially going to a doctor and the doctor says, oh no, that rash on your leg.
Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Get back to work. Be proactive part of the economy.
And then the person comes in and says, okay, the rash is now all over my body. And they say, well, guess what? Because of our good work, we think we can save one of your limbs because we're so good at what they do. The latest talking point is they're now saying because of our good work, we may only lose a quarter of a million people, which by the way is the same number of people who died in World World War II.
People who died in Vietnam and it's a hundred times a number of people who perished on 9-11. And they're actually trying to flip it to, well, it could have been a lot worse, but, and did you see this bullshit yesterday where the president said, well, I knew all along this was going to be bad. I just didn't want to scare people treating us like we're 11 year olds and every piece of information around leadership says that the public, our big boys and girls and what makes them feel better and what demonstrates leadership is a sober and honest conversation around what is actually going on. And then painting a future for how we're going to get out of this thing, which they have failed to do.
But it is, this is a case study and how an import com strategy, it's just, it's just crazy what's going on here. It's really, it's fascinating on the thing, but you know, obviously the big story is still COVID-19 in Florida as where you are, I hope you're sheltering in place, you already work. I'm a saran wrap. It's declared a statewide, yeah, serving up a stay-at-home order.
The stalled economy, a collective reckoning with what it means not to work for non-essential workers, but it means others who are in harm's way, it's really, this is going to be studied for many years to come I think in terms of economics, health care, everything else. So let's go through it, some of the stuff. We did talk about Fox's credibility and spreading the misinformation early. And you know, we could play this clip of him if you want, I don't, I don't really.
Oh, let's play the clip of the wing bag of rage. The rage, the, the, wait, back rage, the bridge, road taper back, road that, road that bitch, Hannity tape, you know, making a case, my mom only listened to Fox News and Sean Hannity. And I was worried about my mom and so I just tweeted out, so you proud the woman's name is Kara of Swisher. I don't even know who she is.
Um, and I just said you are ignorant and you are lazy and you are a total hypocrite. Okay, that's magic. That's magic. I mean, that's magic.
He called me a media, a maniac media, something, but there's a lot of, there was a lot of alliterate, poor alliteration. I'm telling you, that guy, all he needs to be part of a gay throuple and open a big jungle cat park. That's the next level for Hannity. That's his calling.
Well, speaking of which, yes, he could be on Tiger. I watched Tiger, whatever. Tiger. It was very good.
I loved it. It was great. It was a really good documentary. They had to say away from all the craziness, it was beautifully done.
And I know people, the, my, to me, Doc Antle was the most interesting character there. Honestly. Which one was Doc Antle? Which way Doc Antle?
He's the one it's like making a lot of money. Oh, he's the smart one. Oh my God. And he's a millionaire and no one in staying out of everyone's way.
It doesn't piss off Peter. Yeah. He doesn't want to be with Carol and the other guy. No, he right here.
Anyway, it was quite good. I'm excited for the movie. It was really good. I'd like to remove our Sean Hannity from our minds right now, but he really, I just, you know, listen, Sean.
Let me just bring him up again. Sean. Let me just bring him the final time. Stop tweeting at me.
It's getting a little embarrassing and it feels like you're a little interested in man. I think he likes the saucy little minks known as Carisueres Swisher. I can see it. I'm saying I'm only.
Number three. Number three. The future. You're the only dysfunctional relationship I want to have with a man right now.
Okay. The future. The future ex Mr. Swisher.
Sean Hannity. Sean Hannity. All right. Oh my God.
If I wasn't gay already. Who gets the total entries in that divorce? Who gets it? Listen to me.
Listen. Listen. I don't know what to say. He has a haircut that's not appealing to lesbians.
Anyway, on platforms. That's good. On platforms and Facebook. Well done.
I'm moving on. Well done. Sean Hannity. Let's go to the tech companies we so love to give a hard time to.
Facebook. I think. It's interesting that they have I think it's interesting and they I don't know. think are there being going to be more aggressive about misinformation in the future?
I doubt it. Well, yeah, they're there. So I got one of those. I got a notification on Twitter.
I've never seen one before saying you violating our terms of service. We have temporarily shut down your account and ask you to click like three or four times to get your account restored. And it says, did you read our terms of service click here and you go, yes, and then all of a sudden it says, congratulations, your account has been restored. And it was something around, I guess I'd use music in one of my video.
I wasn't entirely sure. But there, their way of threatening or warning you is to say, your accounts been shut down, just click here four times and it's restored. But please don't do this again. And I wasn't even entirely sure what I what I did.
But I do think I can't figure out and I want you to answer this. Are we going to find out that big tech has been as reckless as indifferent as they usually are, but we just have bigger fish to fry here or has in fact big tech sort of wisely said, we can't get this one wrong. This could we could really get a hot water if it's if we if again, there are going to be a bunch of data scientists who correlate media consumption with infection and mortality rates. And the people at Facebook and Google are probably smart enough to figure out that, okay, if we find that people who watch YouTube more than three hours more than three hours a day have higher infection rates, that could be bad on bad.
And we're guilty of a lot of stuff. We've been taking a lot of heat. We need to be clean on this one. Do you think it's that or is it just we're looking we're staring at bigger, bigger.
I think they've gotten better and smarter. You know what I mean? I think they realized they saw this train coming down the tracks and didn't want it to derail. You know, I think they if it had been a big mess, they would have been right in here with Fox News and others.
You know what I mean? And they knew better kind of thing. And so I think this and it was also an opportunity for redemption that they're trying to do that. Now it also points out that they can do it.
And so therefore they can't do it for a lot of other things. And what the shame is that they need they need to hide essentially see cover from a health care crisis that everyone agrees is terrible. Like it's very easy to be for blocking this information. And so the question is when it becomes a little dicey or what are they going to do?
And when it's clear that there's some like around the election I think will be interesting on what I think that's where I'm sort of like okay but what about this because everything is colored by COVID-19 going forward for the next year really. And it'll be interesting. It just be interesting what they do. And if they're going to be more aggressive on some if it gets more aggressive and I think it will.
And we'll see. I mean they are what it's proven is that they're publishers. That's that and I think that's a good thing that they recognize that they're publishers and they have a responsibility in the information diet of the Americans and around the globe. And you know they're trying to do things a little too far.
They're announcing this money they're giving to. Oh my God. Hold the phone. 25 million dollars.
So speaking of win back rage and hypocrisy. Let's talk about Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg deciding to donate money for the aid of journalism and small newspapers. In other news care the NRA has donated 75 bucks to kids who've been shot in the face. I mean this is yeah this is again this is again.
Okay posing for the cameras 20. We have got to start putting out some metric that is okay. Jet Bezos has just donated seven minutes of his income to save wildlife in Australia and has put out 383 press releases on it. We at some point we're going to start with some point we're going to start referencing.
If you put out a press release about your philanthropy somewhere in that press release or there should be a website that says what percentage of your net worth because I know I know a lot of people I'm sure you know them that don't make a ton of money who give a large portion of their harder and salary with philanthropy are always there I was able to step up. I've actually been shocked. We've been I've been on a lot of board calls and you can never predict and money is not a predictor. Who is generous and who is not generous around helping employees taking cuts and salaries in difficult times.
I've been really really shocked. It's it's just so interesting when you think about all metals are almost all metals in arm services around the world are largely a function of your grace and your bravery under fire. They don't give metals out for the funniest guy in the best room. They don't give metals out for the person who is the most interesting and thoughtful.
They give metals out for it when when when people start firing on you're in your colleagues who shows who demonstrates bravery courage level-headed thinking and this is a very interesting time. We're going to get to see who really who really handles themselves under grace. You know look I'm going to push back a little bit. It's good for them to get the $25 million to for news or news themselves.
What the set there was another $75 million that people thought was to buy ads on Facebook. That's not the case. They're going to buy ads on these newspaper websites I guess or in these newspapers and then donate quite a few of them to local small businesses. It's look they should be doing stuff like this.
I just thought the press really quietly. It's called a last meal for the person you're about to execute. I think they shouldn't make a big deal of it. That's what I that's my issue and look they they're just trying to like redeem themselves.
That is that it's all part of the redemption drive that we're not as bad as you think and when when the comparison is boxing is they're not as bad as we think right. So that's the fact that you'd rather have if what would you rather have. I'm not going to like get angry at people for giving 25 minutes to let the news out. But the problem is the problem is Fox News is spectacle but it's not historic.
Fox News dream that dream million people watch Hannity every day and he's the most he is the biggest person in cable television. I think it gets an audience between I think between three and maybe sometimes somebody's interviewing the president eight million. Facebook reaches a billion people a day. So anything you're talking about the difference between a dumpster fire which catches your attention and a nuclear bomb being set off.
Facebook does Facebook does exponentially more damage every day. We just talk about Fox because the characters are interesting and for some reason TV seems to be fair. We're just obsessed with TV. Nice dovetailing of the two big things.
I think you're right. We didn't get together. But listen. So here's one that's interesting.
So I think we won't be buying Adam Newman's new share. So I think it's offered to pay up to three billion dollars for shares in the office space provider. We work that spells bad news for Newman, the former CEO. He had the right to sell up to nine hundred and seventy million dollars in stock to soft bank as part of the deal that led to his ousting.
But soft bank said conditions were completely stuck so they weren't met by the April 1st deadline. They cited the pandemic as one of the reasons that little cover there by terminating the share acquisition and set government lockdowns from posing restrictions against we work and its operations. I mean like oh good God. You know what it is, Gary?
It's proof that it's proof that even during tragedy, wonderful things can happen. I mean I read this. I read it first. That was a good day.
First off, Hannity calls you a lazy hypocrite, which brings me joy. And then I hear that soft bank is backing out of their billion dollar sign commitment. I mean this is real. This is a signed agreement that you're supposed to close on.
What's weird is I guess it was an astro and then the special committee of the board including including Lou Frankford, former CEO of Coach and Icon of Business and Benchmark and representatives of Adam Newman who all agreed to sell shares at what was a ridiculous valuation of eight billion. This company is not worth eight billion because Masi Yoshisan and Softbank wanted to say face and wanted to take control of the company and didn't want to let American vultures come in and buy the company for half a billion which is what it's probably worth right now. But now they have face saving cloud cover from this pathogen from this novel coronavirus and so they've said I know let's let the think tank and by the way this is this is I don't want to call the following nail in the coffin but just it's just so interesting the virus. There's be loss.
There's be loss. The virus is the great accelerator. We work was going to have trouble. A bunch of its properties didn't make any sense.
The DNA of expenses were too high was going to I think deem this company and this is just accelerated that and you're going to see and no one cares and quite frankly something doesn't care. This is this is just like the vision fund has become an infected and growing hair and they're out. They're done. They're like this is all we need.
I've heard they're just going to wind that one down because the guy ran at the controversy around him. You know I think they it's just sorry Saudi Arabia we've lost all your money. So I knew that you'd find pleasure in both those things today. I'm so glad you have that to feel good about.
Listen I want to move on to something more important COVID-19 the defining moment for corporate America and the labor movement. Several employee protests and strikes at big companies. Instacart delivery workers staged a strike to protest their lack of protective gear. 200,000 people reported to participate at a whole food employees at a sick out to protest low wages lack of paid leave and other protective measures since their labeled essential workers.
Amazon workers walked up the job they fired the organizer. Just to be fair Whole Foods raised pay by two dollars per hour for hourly employees and Amazon raised pay by two dollars per hour for warehouse and delivery workers in the US through April but it's still you know they just feel they're in an unsafe situation. Gee employees protested demand the company converted its jet engine factories to make ventilators. General Electric announced to be laying off 10% of its domestic aviation workforce.
They fired nearly 2,600 workers along with a temporary layoff of 50% of its maintenance workers in a bid to save the company $500 million to a billion. It's really like the layoffs are going to happen rather substantively across across April I think. On the other hand Bob Iger taking full salary after this time Delta CEO and Board of Directors taking full salary cuts lift co-founders John Zimmer and Logan Green pledged to donate to salaries through June only June although I think that company is going to be in a lot more trouble. Scott you said COVID would accelerate everything would you just said.
Is it going to accelerate the breaking point between workers and top brass and from an optic standpoint which companies will come out good in this? Oh I'd like to think it's going to force us to re-evaluate the hierarchy of our society economically and the hierarchy as the following. The consumer is the king or the queen. Everyone has decided that the consumer whatever's good for the consumer is good for all of us so if you can provide a free service that means you should never break it up and it shouldn't have to pay taxes at consumer range number one.
Shareholders are kind of number two and workers are just a number three and you see this on full display here and that is at a place like at a place like Uber and all these companies are talking about some sort of bailout. So Dara Costa-Shahi the new lipstick on cancer has all of a sudden found empathy when it's when it's someone else's check and he's writing letters to Congress asking them to pay to be generous and they're bail out of good gig workers despite the fact he has spent tens of millions of dollars to try and circumvent legislation says that he doesn't have to pay payroll taxes or provide health insurance to his workers who now feel a need to show up to work and put themselves in dangerous situations because they don't have any money because they have figured out a way using software to suppress the wages of workers. Look at the US auto industry care on average they make $27 an hour the majority of them have health insurance the majority of them are still employed. Look at Uber workers who get fired every day if there's no work they don't make anything have no health insurance.
Uber does not pay their fair share of taxes they likely pay no federal income taxes and yet Uber is worth more it's a great business model it's all as if to a great business model that makes Uber worth more than the entire US auto industry. So we as a society and it's not Uber's fault we will all make rationalizations such that we can have you know a home in the happen but what we have is we've said okay we'd rather have a transfer of wealth from the government and from workers to shareholders. So the first and it's the question comes down to the following what kind of world do we want to live in do we want to live in a world where auto executives make millions of dollars and there are hundreds of thousands of employees that have health insurance and continue to get paid in a disaster like this or do we want a world of Uber where the top hundred people there make hundreds of millions or even billions but the seven million strong labor force doesn't have health insurance and makes less and minimum wage and what we have said loudly and clearly in this country is that we want to affect a transfer of wealth from government and from employees to shareholders and it comes at a huge cost in Europe. I have a lot of friends I've been talking to when you're up and they've said that there isn't the same sense of panic they don't believe unless you've been affected personally there isn't the same level of economic panic because the rescue packages in Europe differ from the US rescue package in the sense that it's mostly mostly across European nations been about saying okay employees don't worry you need to go home but we're going to ensure you maintain 70 to 80 percent of your salary whereas in the US we're like okay for every dollar we're going to give individuals we've got to give a dollar loan to a business or a bailout or some sort of and I think this is a good idea loans to small business but we have we've got to look in the mirror here should we be more like Germany where there are 40 to 50 percent of every board has to be represented by the workers we have totally minimized labor in our country I don't think see I'm going to stop it we're not going we don't like we don't like that we have a whole that we have a whole different point of view about people and it survived the ages like how people are really fodder and fungible and I don't think that's going to change by this or anything else I think it's it's built into the DNA of the US which is pull yourself up by your bootstraps even if you don't have boots like I'm sorry it's just I don't see this is changing and I don't I think it should I think there should be workers on the boards of companies I think we should think about how they're doing it elsewhere I think people are like you're on your own buddy and same thing with these testing you're on your own it's a DNA part of this country and maybe maybe it'll change I just I think it would be super slow going to even even this will not but except except I do think that hypocrisy is on full display here and that is on the way up on the way up when the market is booming and companies are using 98 percent of their free cash flow to improve the stock price and companies are laying off employees such that they can increase earnings and the compensation of the top five percent of every company are largely dependent upon and have huge huge upside around the value of their shares we talk about rugged individualism and capitalism and then when shit gets real and there's a trope event and the equity might get wiped out all of a sudden CEOs are saying we're in this together we're in this together and the reality is and I don't take this statement lightly we should let a lot of these companies fail because to be to be clear when we talk about a company failing the CEO of the company all of a sudden wraps himself in the socialist and in comedy of man in red white and blue flag that it's all about his or her workers know it's not boss it's about your comp because the majority of your comp is through equity and the reality is if carnival cruises or delta airlines or if if any company goes out of business that has worth they're not going away there may be some interruption in the probably certain sectors that warrants some sort of preferred convertible preferred loan from the government because they could do so much damage if they go away for a while but the vast majority of companies it just means the equity holders get wiped out it just means that the wealthiest the 10 percent of top income earning households who have had champagne and cocaine economy for the last 12 years it means they finally get kicked in the nuts like the rest of America that hasn't had a wage raise in 30 years but be clear if carnival cruises and I want to you know and I recommended the stock three weeks oops but the bottom line is if that company goes bankrupt the ships don't go to the bottom of the ocean it just means the debt holders now own the ships and the equity gets wiped out so are we capitalists on the way up and the way down are we just capitalists on the way up this is a test for us do we walk the walk well are we going to privatize are we going to privatize the gains and that is privatize the gains and socialize the losses it's kind of the is basically the calls I'm a COS here can I just say it's so good to have you on the show Alexander a copy of Cortez it's really only to have you you oh my god you mean you mean Hannity AOC double date from heaven oh my god oh I would so go there quick break AOC oh my god you are so on the on the communist train I love it capitol is not a capitol is a train cap I know compassion I'm not a capitol is a train okay sure that the copitol is in my thing most of us anyway yes are now socialist they all want bailouts now for a quick break time of course they are time for a quick break did you just watch Titanic what happened there they got on the lifeboats the rich people come on let the poor people down below they locked them down below anyway Scott it's time for a quick break we'll be back that movie introduce me to sean dion they should all burn and help this episode is brought to you by tell us 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and the impact on stream wars Scott you've been skeptical in the past about quibi and any new service launching you know after we got the release of disney plus and you know i'm curious has a current climate change your assessments about the viability of a new streaming service you know because could there be a better time to launch to launch a new streaming service and what would quibi need to do to maintain momentum once people are no longer housebound by the pandemic thanks guys that's a good one they're about set to launch next week and by the way the last weekend was the first weekend in u.s box office that hits zero revenue just as china started reopening the theaters for the first time since the covid 19 hit what do you think scott tv pilots have been halted they can't make them broadcasters are huge employer in la during the pilot seasons they don't they have material but you know they'll run out at some point what do you think about quibi's chances now well just as in a time of crisis or sort of a hundred-year flood event or revolution or sometimes a nation will let people out of prison jack dorsey jeffrey katsenberg mausioshu san have all gotten a reprieve and that is you could see quibi quibi is going to get a ton of momentum out of the gates because we're all at home if these quick hit fun video content and series that they have lined up and some of them look really fun i think i think we have never needed a revival of punk to more than we need it now and that is quibi is planning to do so yeah i think quibi actually has a fighting chance here i still don't think it survives i don't marketing they can't really market themselves can they as well i guess on tv how do they get people using it well it all comes down to this the value proposition isn't there because in since the two and a half years since they launched it basically they're saying for five bucks a month you get one and a half billion dollars of content what's apple is saying for five bucks a month we'll give you four to seven billion dollars a content a month and and netflix for twelve bucks we'll give you eight to twelve billion dollars in your content so unless quibi has some secret sauce and they claim their secret sauce a short form which as far as i can tell you can't patent it's just going to come down to value they're not going to be able to put as much talent and production value on the screen per dollar and consumers ultimately make that trade off but they'll get more momentum out of the gates there are some you know their timing is really fortunate here i work for a company that does online education i don't want to say we're benefiting from this but our timing was really lucky here and quibi quibi is really lucky quibi is going to launch their boats with a lot of wind behind them over the long time and content and long term i don't know what you think are you are you looking forward are you bullish on it i think i think the i think the winner here has been netflix with their shows i mean they have had more people just really appreciate netflix now i haven't heard as much about disney plus i i don't have kids who are watching the disney plus stuff but of course i will again but i think that i think they're all going to do well but i do think netflix is showing itself to be once again the one that runs the tracker around their hands and they and this money well spent at this point um you know it's interesting it's an interesting moment for certain businesses like i know everyone i know is that has money is buying a peloton for example and of course they aren't delivering until april late april stuff like that but you know in this case yes i think you're right jeff kassenberg it was very dicey in terms of getting people to use this in a busy world and now the world's not so busy and it looks like it's not gonna be busy for a while and and i think you're right but i do think it's there's a question of what do people do to make more things like i i was on the set of billions i think in january or something like that um they were not through the season by any stretch so what how do you make you like they've been doing the i don't know if you've been watching like jimmy kimmel or jimmy fallin or some of the or steven colbert they've been trying their level best to to make shows and i think they're kind of good they're kind of been pretty interesting to watch but i don't know how long you can sustain that and that's that's the that's the issue um but you know certain tv mediums like i have to say chris guomo who has coronavirus i cannot stand him most days of the week and i got to tell you he's in the basement chris chris guomo i'm sorry he's sick and he seems to be doing better than most people but it's really compelling watching to watching it and it's very emotional in a way that's actually very touching um and and so it's interesting because i do definitely i'm spending a lot more time watching television but i don't know what you do well i saw chris guomo i turned it on and then i was literally i was watching him i like chris guomo i really think he made a mistake giving um killing a con way such a big platform i thought that was a rest for teacher care but i turned that thing on and i literally read as i was watching and the chris guomo has covid-19 i'm like shit i want what he has that guy is so handsome and so articulate and seems that has it i mean because that what happens when you get covid-19 you're saying no that guy looks great oh god oh god he's just that guy looks great quovid-19 equals bad for most people i get that i think he's bringing it i i think he's bringing it home in a very emotional way for people and i think he's articulating it well but i think a lot of people have a chance now to really do substantive information like this like he's doing and i think quibi will provide pleasure to people like you know we're just bummed out so i have some inside baseball here and which will probably queer the deal i'm working on but is that bigoted or sexist to say queer the deal anyway so the dog just to give you a sense of how desperate content how much you know how much money has full over invested in content creation i've been talking to studios about doing a show and it started with budgets of half a million to a million dollars for sort of like a business review show right and now the budgets are a hundred to two hundred k an episode and they want to film them from your home and so what will happen when content i mean what we're finding is quite frankly is that 80 percent of the production value gets you probably 90 percent of the value and i wonder if we're going to shift and take money out of production values such that we can have more content and more selection because all of the folks who are bidding on our show have said now there's more of them bidding but they've all cut their budgets and said we're going to film it from your home because what i think what they're finding is in a lot of instances that if you're watching msnbc i did an interview yesterday with Stephanie rule and Stephanie was in her home and all of us were in our homes it's going to the quality will get better they'll use technology to figure out and tweak it but it's i mean you and i you're a perfect example where our production value has gone down we're no longer putting video on youtube the sound quality is only 90 percent as good as it usually is but it doesn't seem to be impairing people's consumption so is media about to become the greatest innovation in retail history or fastest zero billion retailer was old navy that said for 80 percent will offer you will offer you 80 percent of the quality of the gap for 50 percent of the price and went to a billion dollars faster is media about to go 80 percent of the production quality for 50 percent of the price and dramatically expand their market share because across different mediums because they're able to put a lot of stuff on screen for less money that is interesting what i really want to know is why you're doing a show without me but i'm not going to go into that because i'm a narcissist later with ester perel in our you you me and that win bag of rage i'm going to do a show with Sean Hannity now just so you know just so i'm going over here to fox no you start to like people who are mean to you it's like foreplay freedom you like them like come over here come over here let's go to the orange julius and make out to get them all chain nine nine mine let's go to mama make out of the orange julius says that hypocritical lazy icon of journalism i think i think you're making a very salient insight here whether it needs to cost that much it does and i think you're right i think you're right um and i think it's gonna be an interesting time to see what happens but i think they'll probably go back to their sets and their lives live you miss a lot when you you know it's really quite frankly that one of the you have those moments that sort of brings home what is going on but when you're watching calbera kimmel and they panned the audience and you see a bunch of a bunch of the admin staff and a bunch of the writers and the workers all sitting in the audience 10 feet from each other it's like oh i almost forgot what's going on now i remember yeah it really is kind of it's one of those sort of rattling moments oh there's one area and then we're going to take a break is is i thought the debate between brian and bernie was quite good because it was actually sensitive because there wasn't the crowds and it just made it better it made it better as a policy discussion so it's a it goes back and forth but i think you've got you're on to something scott galloway sneaking around hollywood without me anyway we're going to be right back with predictions when we return i rub shanjani's feet last night i'm coming clean i'm coming clean some say the bubbles in an aero truffle piece can take 34 seconds to melt in your mouth sometimes the very amount you're stuck at the same red light rich creamy chocolatey aero truffle feel the aero bubbles melt it's mind bubbling amazon presents jeff versus toggo truck salsa whether it's verde roha or the orange one for jeff trying any salsa is like playing russian with a frame thrower luckily jeff saved with amazon and stocked up on antacids ginger tea and milk habanero more like habaniere yes save the every day with amazon okay we're back scott it's friday do you have a prediction what is your prediction we need a prediction um my prediction is i don't know i have no inside information here but my prediction is um the majority of universities in hot zones whether it's san francisco or nyork are not going to open for fall i think that when we get through this when we get through this and we will i think there's going to be a decent amount of thoughtful and warranted concern about the the relapse and fall and we're going to decide that putting my class is 160 people in a tight room and we're going to probably decide that even if this thing has gone away unless we have a vaccine we're going to decide not to do that for a while so we're going to see this incredible uh value creation or focus on dispersion and that is that is industries that typically bring a lot of people together in a small place are going to take fall off and this is going to have huge ramifications on the world of education where it's no longer going to be a moment in time where we all have to learn how to zoom it's probably going to be the the catalyst for what is the the long-awaited disruption in education where we no longer constrain supply through our physical spaces so fall is going to be a very interesting moment in time we're supposed to welcome several million new students to campuses i don't think we're going to do that unless the campus is spread out and it'll go it'll be on a case-by-case basis but you're dense universities in areas where there was a lot of covid-19 and i'm wondering if there's any area that's not going to have a lot of covid-19 right now i think this thing is going to find every corner of the u.s.
cities for sure and they're going to say do we want to be do we want to be the university that was the new hot zone for a relapse in the fall that's going to become a very real concern anyways i think education in the fall is going to be it's going to decide not to be what about schools what about a great question i don't know what do you think i just have no i don't know i don't know i don't know my kids went back to school this week online and it's really substandard i have to say i'm kind of i mean weird isn't it's weird well it's not well done and and they have to think hard because i'll tell you we pay a lot my kids go to private school but they pay a lot of money and i'm like no no no no like you know i don't think anybody's getting it right but it's really it's a really i don't know i have a kid and a ninth grader and a kid who's going to college in both this college he wants to go to our nots that really hot zones and so i don't know i think he's going to have to work at a restaurant or something like once they sort of start to open up or take out place but new executive producer for the Hannity show really slicker that's right oh he's so good he called me he wrote me i love your mom you're so great it's so funny even my mom even though she was talking about news wrote it like a text that i put up about john handy being a horse's ass essentially um so uh you know my family does stick together the Italians do stick together in the end you're telling us the proud i was oh yeah yeah oh wait and your dad was german which means you were smart enough to know you're fucked up it's too lazy to do anything about it but it's how you're doing humor for us no no talian was on my mom's side she's a hundred percent Italian i'm happy lucky as a time he's hundred percent hundred percent my grandfather was born in Italy um and yes hundred percent oh some good news did you see that italy had its lowest number of new cases in several weeks yesterday yes i thought that was nice and i was hoping that day comes here sooner than later for sure anyway we have to go not if i can look like chris quomo god that dude is dreaming god that dude is that your new crush is that your new man he is so handsome and he's thoughtful and articulate and you look at no way and he looks a little bit sad and his older brother is the governor and loves them it's dead that guy everyone's focused the quomai everyone's focused on it's late called it the quomai the quomai the quomai and isn't he married to a candidate that's it next life i'm coming back no no she no not chris quomo the other quomo was the governor quomo was and there was a bad breakup there's a pattern yes didn't you follow that scandal um and yes he's quite good he's quite a nice hair i think you're attracted to the hair as usual um and it is excellent hair and that you will never have let's just make that clear there's a lot going on there's never happening is better hair than you shawn has very good hair no yes very good hair well let's leave on a high note shawn nice hair well done we think that's great he and i get absolutely bond over our rage over our ill-informed rage god this is such a moment for you oh my god this is such a moment for you i am so jealous i'm telling you i am so jealous but you don't want the focus you don't want to be tweeted that day and night by this guy it's creepy and weird anyway i think you know what let me see my last thing i look there was a story by ben smith that he didn't like about vox news event smith was the media reporter there's been several stories about this in the times and they he just is using it to go out here you were kind you were kind i was kind by the way let me say it's easier to attack a woman who just i don't know why it's me that said i'm off but he's mad about their times and it's totally calculated it's a calculated effort by on behalf of these people which they do well when you watch when you watch when you watch and when you advertise on fox be clear be clear you are financing the increase in infection and mortality rates much less a voice that strategically and tactically goes after progressive female voices you're not the first person if you are female if you are progressive and you are emerging voice they decide to come after in a concerted way across their media properties across the post across the wall street journal across fox news they go after progressive emerging female voices so that is who you are funding advertisers a fox well done oh my god get away anyway don't forget if you have a story i'll survive i don't want to like you know if i start to play identify with those assholes i'm going to lose so they're just he's just wrong he's just wrong anyway don't forget you have a story in the news and you're curious about what you want when you want to hear our opinion email us at pivot at voxmedia.com to be featured on the show scott read us out i think chris quomo not to be friends no you know they i think we could be friends i think he just come out come over and we'd hang out he's into sports i'm not but we just hang out i think he calls security i think he calls security i'll please read us out security that's what would happen today's episode was produced by rebecca sonones our executive producer is erica anderson special thanks to drew burrows and rebecca castor if you like what you heard please download or subscribe we'll be back at the beginning of next week for a breakdown of all things tech and business stay safe we're getting through this