Season 2 Finale

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My name is Jason. Hey, I'm KJ, and in this week's episode we review our year in week and review. I ask for some advice, and Jason gives us an update on his health. We have a very special slash unique announcement at the end that we're doing.

Asujin! Up next, we'll take some quizzes. We got a lot in the queue, and it's time to empty it. So we're gonna do it the only way we know how, which is...

halfway. And we'll wrap it all up with a feedback, an Amazon review, and a little more. All that plus several conversational tangents! Happen.

Yes they do. And now we'll review. Yes we will. Those things that happen.

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Hey, what's up this year? Good as a long time no speak. Yes, it has been... I can't even calculate how long.

I don't know. I forgot what I was doing. I don't know how to do this anymore. Yeah, can you hear me?

Can you hear me now? So much has happened since we last recorded... I guess I don't even know where to begin. But I mean, I don't know.

Maybe not much. At the same time, not much has really happened. You know, how much is so much? Just live in life.

Doing business. Was it before, right before Christmas or right after Christmas? I think it was right after Christmas before New Year the last time we recorded. Yeah, it was last year or so.

Yeah, it was last year. Happy New Year! Yeah, it's 2020. Well, I do have one question.

I want to ask you your advice. So we know that the news is infiltrated with coronavirus, at least a little bit in this country. So if someone was going to be getting on a plane pretty soon and flying within the United States for a vacation to a southern region, would you suggest that person still go? No.

Actually, yeah. Yeah. It's... look, people die all the time.

I mean, I know that's morbid, but we're all going to go eventually. Right. I'm just not going to go that soon. Yeah, well, I agree.

It's unlikely that most healthy, you know, middle-aged or younger adults are probably fine. Because this is with this virus in particular, because it seems from everything I've read about it, which is very little. Yeah, you do. But to be honest, as the health expert of this podcast now, after going through the medical system, even though I am not the actual medical professional on this podcast, I will take the role of HealthSR and just say, it seems to be not really that bad unless you have pre-existing conditions or you're of a certain age, like young children or older adults, or you have compromised immune system, which I'm sure we'll talk about here in a few minutes.

Yes. Which is a... I don't think you fit any of those categories. So I feel like you're looking at maybe like a mild cold, is your percentage chance?

I was trying to get out of flying. I was hoping that I could... Oh, well then, yes, you should never fly. You should never go anywhere again on an airplane.

Because it's the high population of people. So if I could convince the Hall of Famer that we drive instead of fly, that would be better. Yeah, you could say, do you want the coronavirus or not? That hasn't worked so far.

Okay. Well, I... It's all like, ah, it'll be fine. That's...

It's like a few days, maybe 20, 21 hours. Sorry, I almost spit the coffee out. That was drinking. Okay, yeah, you should get on an airplane.

You should tough it out on that one. I love road trips though. Yeah, that's great. But that's a long time in a car.

Yeah, it is. So speaking of, like you said, well, I'm sure we'll talk about in a minute. Immunosuppressed people. Yes.

Do you... Let's hear what you've been up to. I have not heard from... It's nice to hear your voice again, Jason.

Yeah, it's been longer than I can remember. Yeah. So do you have any updates for us on how you're doing what you've been through lately? Yeah, I'm just quick to summarize.

I know it's cliche, but they're some days are good, some days are not so good, which is everybody in a life. Well, cliche's happened for... cliche's come about for a reason. Yes, it is very true that this disease is...

You can feel pretty good some days and then not so good some days and what I'm going through, I'm in several different physical therapies now, like occupational therapy and speech therapy. And the speech therapy is... What are they doing in speech? It's more pragmatic stuff.

Okay. Like setting a schedule and scheduling rests into your schedule? Oh, sure. Okay.

So what I'm doing is when I'm working on something, I am 100% go, go, go, go, go, go, until I drop. And not only can I not do that anymore because I don't have the energy, but the fatigue of this, how this MS affects you is what they're trying to do is get me to schedule rest in before I need the rest. Right. So schedule the rest like as part of the calendar.

So like, hey, today I have this thing at 1PM. So and I know it's going to require this amount of effort and energy is what I expect out of it. It's like if I have to drive somewhere or go go or think about something or really concentrate for an hour on something, schedule like a 30 minute or an hour rest before that where you actually rest. Like it could be a physical rest where you lay down, it could be an emotional rest or a mental rest where you're just like, you know, I'm just going to do something to get that, you know, is mindless or something that doesn't require me, you know, to really focus and concentrate.

And it's basically to balance it out because the thing about MS is not once you get tired, like normally you'd be like, oh, I'm tired, I need to rest and I'm fine. It's, oh, I'm tired and I fell off the cliff of, you know, energy and not only that, but then you start getting the aches and pains stronger and everything starts hurting. And like it could be like two days in some cases that's happened to me just I'll speak for me specifically. Like I've gotten to where I feel pretty good for a couple of days and I do when I do things and I'm not going out, I'm just doing like, I'm not like going to run a marathon, I'm just doing like basic, I'm up and moving around and doing things for, you know, eight to ten hours during the day, like working on music or, you know, doing this or, you know, doing creative stuff or thinking, which is, what's that?

Activities of daily living. Yes, there you go. Is that a thing? Yeah, that's a thing.

That's a medical thing. Well, of course I knew that is the medicals are talking. Yeah, right. So just doing those, just ADLs.

ADLs, activities of daily living. I'm like saying that's like Atlanta. Yeah, I'm doing the ADL in the ATL. Yeah, that's what I'm doing.

Yeah. Don't answer that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So doing those things, just basic stuff that before would have been like no real level, you know, measurable amount of energy exertion. Right. I mean, thinking, thinking takes a lot of energy, you know, like, and I'm the person like, when I'm talking about something and I'm excited or something I'm working on and I'm trying to work through an idea, I'm moving around and walking around.

I'm, I never sit down. I'm always, you know, waving my arms around and my voice gets louder and I start, you know, getting animated and I talk faster and all this stuff, I just get passionate about whatever I'm doing. I think like most people do. But that takes so much energy that you don't realize until your energy pool is has shrunk.

Yep. That just doing basic stuff, not even getting real animated about stuff will just take the energy out of me. And the problem with MS is not, oh, I'm tired. I'll rest and recover.

The problem is you're done for that day, the next day, potentially the day after that and it feels like you have been in a car accident the next day when you wake up, your whole body gets sore. It affects you. I've never been a person who's like an emotional or like, you know, worried about stuff or getting anxious, thankfully, because I don't understand how people who are that way, kid deal with this disease, because what happens is anything that affects you like emotionally or mentally, you feel it physically and I know it's different stages and different degrees of this disease. It's a spectrum for different people.

But for me personally, what I've felt is it, you know, I've heard people say I'm emotionally drained and I'm like, how can that make you tired? Because it never happened to me before. But now even the simplest like, oh, I'm thinking about something for 30 minutes. And my entire body feels like I have the flu after that it's, it's, it's a crazy insane disease that, you know, thankfully I am what I'm learning now is I am probably in a good spot with this in terms of being able to get back to quote unquote normal routine.

Most of it. I still, I still have some steps to go through that I'll talk about in just a second as far as medications. But it's, I see a light of hope of, hey, you know, I may be able to do a lot of what I was doing before. I may not be able to go out and play like shows like I was able to before.

I may be able to go play like one month or, you know, one and then plan on the next three days after that, just resting. But you can see that now, whereas maybe you didn't, you couldn't see that. I could not if you must have got a few months ago, like at the beginning of the year, it was very much I wake up every morning and it's, and now I've kind of gotten used to it and it's a combination of gotten used to it and, and it is got, and things are getting better. A few months ago, I was waking up every morning and it feels like, you know, not only do I have the flu, but I was in an accident, you know, I was beaten with a bat, your whole body aches and hurts and pains and joints and cracking and popping.

You can't move and you can't do this stuff and you're out of breath and you feel like you're choking and it's just your entire body feels like it feels like you're dying. It's everything all at once. And now that a lot of that has abated, I've actually gotten some minimal cognitive ability back that I lost and I'm still not where I was, but because they test you, they tested me like every every six weeks or so every time I go in, they give you like different cognitive tests and they say, well, you know, you were here before and now you're, I mean, it's not where I was before, but you know, originally before this stuff really started hitting, but it's still better than most people. So I'll take it.

So they give you the cognitive test at the doctor? Does the O tier speech do that? The speech therapist gave it to me the last time. But one time they gave it to me this nurse at the doctor at the neurologist the second time, actually the first two times as neurologist and the second and third, I mean, the third and fourth it was at the speech service.

Yeah. Yeah. So she's like, you're like, this is compared to most just to like the general population normal. She quote the normals is what she calls people.

Normal normal. She's like, she's like, you're, you're fine. So which is good. Yeah.

I mean, you can't base it on the normals. You base it on your first test compared to where you are, where you were, and then now where you are. But you base it to your quote unquote normals. Right.

And the things she said, I have to understand that she said you're at a high level. So what you will notice a drop or a change in your cognitive ability more than almost anybody else, it's like a high, it's like a high level athlete noticing that they can't do something. Yes. Whereas, and that's basically what she says.

She goes, your performance was way up here and you'll notice it at drop just because it was at a high level, but you're still above 95% of people. So the idea, I'm going to back up a minute. The idea of scheduling a rest in is basically to not let yourself get to that fatigue that really fatigued state. Yes.

It's the balance. Their whole thing is balance everything out, balance out because they talked about something I never thought about before, the pyramid of your physical, you have mental and you have emotional and specifically with MS, and I'm sure there's other things that can do this too, but with MS, what any of those can drain the other two and you don't realize it when you can realize it. Oh, I'm getting physically tired, but that could also be mentally and emotionally draining you with MS. I mean, it can be in general, but it tends to, it tends to amplify the bad and also some of the good stuff, but usually in a bad way.

If that makes sense. It's like you get like children like goosebumps or like that feeling of like adrenaline or like electricity going down your arms and legs. You're like, Oh, this is, this is exciting. It's exciting for about 30 seconds.

When it lasts for like three hours, you're like, this is, this is uncomfortable and annoying and what is going on with my body. Yeah. And then that taps into the mental exhaustion. Yes.

And so it's a cycle. Yes. So I, I told them several times with some of the stuff that the occupational and speech and the physical therapists and the neurologists have said to me, it was like, you know, and this is causing this and blah, blah. And I'm like, in some ways I was made for this disease because of things that I've experienced over my life and just ways that I am, it's very much oriented to take this on because you're not someone that worries it anxious, is anxious.

Yeah, because, because the other side of this is this could drop the other part of this could fall off the cliff any moment and you start going downhill and it becomes, it turns into secondary progressive and you don't recover. Right. Right. You still, I mean, and what they were telling me is they don't expect that right now and they think that their expectation is obviously they have no idea of fully and they can't promise anything, but their expectation is I have a normal life expectancy and live a normal, relatively normal.

There's some stuff that I'm not going to do or some stuff that I don't have to be that's modified from where I was doing it before. Because obviously I can't go 100% all out and get the same kind of stuff and go fully like I was before, but potentially can do most stuff and live relatively normal life, which is what I mean, which is what you want. Exactly. Anybody wants.

I'm happy to do that. Yeah, I start taking another Medicaid. Go ahead. I just wanted to say or I wanted to ask you, you know, I hope you, I hope you schedule at least a half an hour rest before we start recording this thing.

I did not, but I have scheduled, I had something at noon they wanted me to go do today and I, that I originally set up and then thought better of it and actually called this morning and said, I just need to cancel this and they're like sure it was another physical therapy appointment. Because what I discovered in all of this is when all the doctors last year saying, oh, this is just MS when I was complaining about my neck and I'm like, my neck feels weird. This doesn't, this is a different kind of pain that I've been going to physical therapy. So I crack my neck in September.

Yeah. Turns out the short story is all the doctors that I was seeing before, which I'm not going to hospital anymore, they, they said, oh, it's just MS everything's MS everything's MS. You know, whatever, you know, you stop to tell you all, they're probably MS because you know you were, you were clumsy or it's, it's, it was that level of ridiculous of, oh, you have a hang nail. That's MS, you know, and it, it became the once they knew I had MS or once they diagnosed me with MS, then it became everything was feeding from that.

So no need to treat anything else or no need to even investigate or look into it. And it was frustrating to me. And that's part of the reason why I'm in a different hospital now and a different doctor and a different setup, which has been awesome so far. And they said, well, yeah, you should go to it.

This new place said the new neurologist said, yeah, it's still hurting. You might want to see an orthopedic doctor and I went to the orthopedic doctor January and he's like, oh, yeah, you've got a bulging this between C, blah, blah, and this and another one here that that he goes, he goes, it seems consistent with what you tell me from the physical therapy. So he's like, you know, I can't say whether that caused it or, or, you know, activated an older injury because I was hitting the neck, you know, like five years ago, four years ago, and it felt kind of similar to that, the same kind of place. And so now I'm going to start going to physical therapy specifically, an ortho physical therapist, specifically for them to kind of try to calm down.

He said, because it goes, it does seem like it's mild now and he goes, is it better now? I was like, yeah, he goes, what is probably doing is healing because you've been resting a lot. I said, yeah, that's interesting to get better as a rest. And he's like, you know, you could probably go to physical therapy for a month on this specifically.

And then, you know, hopefully it's better after that because you know the next thing down the road is I'm sure you know, is they talk about, you know, injections and then they talk about surgery. And definitely don't want to get that far. Hopefully, don't. No, no.

And I don't think I've been meds like prednisone or anything like that. They that might also help your inflammation in the cervical spine. Yes, because they had they shot me up with I read something that said they're giving some of the people that died from coronavirus. They had given them like 40 milligrams of prednisolone.

That was the treatment. And they think that might have been a bad idea for that particular for this particular virus. Oh, no. 40 milligrams said they had 40 milligrams, which is like double the dose that you would normally get.

I got a thousand milligrams for three days in a row. I got 3000 milligrams. I didn't get four. That should have helped your neck too.

You did because my neck feel great. My neck feel great that like next week and a half, but my body coming down off the steroids felt like complete garbage. So now I have herniated discs together. That's so cute.

Yeah, pretty much. My mind is a little hard spine. I have so far knock on wood managed to just avoid injections and just been working with core strength and really working on other stuff that I know that because I'm a therapist, I know what I need to do traction and other things like that. So I'm hoping I'm okay.

But springtime when it's time for golf will really be the telling. I'm a little nervous. Because the last time I took, it laid me out and I had to have two people help me up. Yeah.

So you know how that feels. Yes. You know exactly how that feels when like the spine, the vertebra or like pinching those nerves and it's just like. Yeah.

And it's the same thing with me in like where mine is in my like between my shoulder blades and the ones a little bit higher up in my neck is like basically where the guitar stroke goes. Yeah. And so whenever I play guitar for any, because I played a little bit here in the last few months, but mostly I just kind of left it alone because it was really reactivating. It was really making that neck stuff worse.

And I was thinking, oh, this is a mess. And when the orthogus said, no, this is not, this is not seeing like MS at all. And this, he goes, I know you have MS, but this is, this is a, this is another thing of addition. He's not defining you by your disease, which is very, it doesn't happen enough.

What usually happens is your previous, your previous experience. Yeah. It's like the, it's like this old doctors just looking at, oh, you have a mess. Oh, we're not even going to look at you any further for anything.

Yeah. And I'm like, are you kidding? And I was like, is this how this, this doesn't seem right to me? And it was just, I had the wrong set of doctors.

Yep. And with the guitar looking down, flexion of the neck tends to irritate cervical discs. Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

So that's partly probably why it would go down in your shoulder blades. Yeah. That's absolutely why what it was it, because what I've noticed is I tried to like stand up straighter when I'm playing and not look down at the guitar, which I mean, I don't really have to, but it's just a habit of just looking at which plane. Right.

I have to, by the way, to watch my fingers go to the courts, but go ahead. I had to, I had to learn over the years, you know, to do it without looking because most of the time I'm seeing, so I'm saying that I'm looking more than Mike or like looking out in front of me. When I'm sitting here at home, it's very much, which is where I am now all time is, it's very easy for me. If I'm playing, I pick it up to just the habit of just looking down and I'm looking down it to the left and the pinch nervous on my left.

I think he sits on the left side where the disc is bulging a little bit. And fortunately, he thinks, like I said, that, you know, go to visit there before a month or so and continue to do the exercises. And I should be fine as far as that. Yeah, it should help.

I want to be, before we move on, I want to go back to the doctors saying everything is MS, everything is MS. I think they see that a lot where people don't want to, they don't want to dig in. They're like, Oh, here's an excuse for that. Let's just call it MS.

We can't help you. But when you had said, when the speech therapist said, a lot of people wouldn't notice certain things, the sad thing is that most people would have said, Oh, yeah, yeah, it's just MS. There's no, I don't have any, I can't be helped with anything because it's all MS. But you notice that, Hey, this, this doesn't feel right.

And it's possible that someone could have a herniated disc or a broken fibula or whatever. And it's not related to MS. Can we please look beyond the disease? So the fact that you notice that that doesn't always happen.

Most people, not most, but the normals would just, they would just say, Oh, Oh, yeah, okay, it's and that's I'm not going to look further into this. And they're having pain when they don't necessarily need to be having pain. Absolutely. And the thing, yeah, well, me too, because the thing that I would say that that I have advocated for on this podcast a lot is ask questions.

That's of everything. Ask questions and not in a condescending way or in a I know better than you wait, but ask questions and I'm curious about this and pursue the revelation of knowledge and try to be wise about stuff and not just accept because not accept what people tell you because what you said people, some people don't notice things. Doctors are people too. And some of them are more perceptive than others.

And most of them are at a level of perception. They've had to be to be, you know, go through all the schooling and pass all the tests and all the certifications. They're pretty sharp, but they're not always going to be paying attention. They may have had something going on that morning that has distracted them.

And they're some of them, they may not be as focused as they should be. And then some of them are only, they don't want to get into stuff that is not, they're not going to have an answer for if that makes sense. They don't, they don't want to even pursue down the road of, because they want, they want, they like to, when people come into them and say blah, blah, you know, this is what's going on. They like to say, well, here's your problem.

They don't like to say, I don't know. And I think that goes for most people. If you're, if you're an expert in your field, you don't really want to say, I don't know. I think it's a tendency to say, I don't know.

But I'm saying, I don't know when asking questions and say, let's figure this out together is one of the key things to me in life of, yeah, getting to the best solution. Yeah. And that's why I meant partly earlier when I said that the doctors are using MS as an excuse to not do the work. Absolutely.

Because they don't know. So they just say, oh, that's, that can happen with MS. Almost anything can happen with MS. So they can just say that and get away with it.

Yeah. And the crazy thing is that the pinch nerve was, was aggravating the nerve being aggravated because of the disc bulging was causing the MS to be obtained. Sure. That's, that's, that's initially, that's literally what caused my MS relapse.

Right. And for them to, part of it also was they were protecting this physical therapist. Sure. Yeah.

Because it was all in the same hospital system. Yep. So, and you're not in the way, the way that they approached it to come in and they were like, aren't you glad you went to her and she did this? Because now you know, you, now you just put you on the path to discover your MS and three of the different doctors said it to me.

And after the third one said it almost word for word, repeated what the other two had said. There's a script. There's a, yeah, there's a, it's not, I don't want to say conspiracy because that's what makes me sound crazy. There's a, there's something going on here where they've had a meeting or they've had a conference call or they've gotten a memorandum from somebody in administration that's hospital to say, here's how we're, here's how we're going to approach this.

Yeah. I don't doubt for a second that that's, that that was something it may have been a, hey, we're going to, you know, call in and we're going to talk for 30 seconds about, you know, this happened and we're going to just, you know, this is not a problem. And but to make sure there's not, you know, any kind of lawsuits or anything, we want to, you know, just encourage the patient. Yeah.

And I'm like, I can't go to this place anymore. And the crazy thing was they went, they went out of our network and they didn't tell me. Oh, they're like, you're still in our network, you know, for at least the next month. And I'm like, what?

And I call the insurance and the insurance like, no, they're not in the network. And I called back and I had to talk, I had to go through like four levels of customer service and like managers to get to the like an administrator level person for this hospital system. They're like, yeah, we're not in your network. Oh.

And I'm like, what, what? And she's like, but we're, we're billing at the network price. So you should still really technically consider us in your network. And I'm like, no, because the way this works is that doesn't go towards my deductible.

And it doesn't, it's not, it's not just the amount of money. I was hoping you wouldn't tell me at least the insurance was good in this whole deal. Intra, that was, oh, that was the hospital. The hospital has been good.

The one thing the insurance did was they sent me a letter that said, uh, this doctor is not in your network. This was, this is for the new doctor that I'm taking that I'm going to now the new neurologist. He's not in your network. And the therapists that are you're seeing currently are not in your network.

And I was like, but you told me the hospital and the hospital system that I'm going to now was in the network. And she's like, yes, the, the guy in the phone with him and was like, but we confirmed the hospital system was in the network. And the insurance company rep said, yes, the hospital system is in the network. None of the doctors or providers in the hospital system are in network.

And Deanna said, yeah, Deanna said, exactly what good is that? She goes, he's not being treated by the building, which made me laugh, which is like, are you kidding me? So, yeah, I didn't know that was a thing that could exist in the lady of the insurance who was our advocate said, uh, yeah, that's a thing that's happening more and more now where the provide the hospital is in the network, but none of the providers that work there. So what you have to do is get the tax ID of everybody who treats you from the doctors to the specialist to the nurses are included as part of the system.

But if it's a specialized nurse, like, or like an occupational therapist, a speech therapist, or a physical therapist, or if it's a radiologist, and you know, it's like, but there's some radiologists that we don't even know who is looking at the, you know, the MRI or the, you know, this, whatever report that the radiology is, is, you know, we're supposed to be responsible for reviewing. And she's like, well, you have to figure that out. You have to figure out how to get the tax IDs. And I was like, this cannot be a thing.

And so I called our advocate, which they gave us a new advocate, which part of the problem is they switched us to a different advocate because the old one left the system at the beginning of the year. So this happened in January and I didn't have, and we kept calling our advocate at the entrance and nobody ever called us back. The entrance did fall apart on that. They didn't notify us of the new advocate in time.

I didn't know we were getting a new person. The finally new person called us back. She's like, yeah, she's just don't worry about that. She said, we're going to figure this out and solve it.

And supposedly they're taking care of it. And right now I haven't been able to, you've been building anything from this new system. So could be good or bad? Hopefully it's good.

Yes. I think it's, I think it's good. But I'm scheduled to go next week for a big, huge chemotherapy, basically infusion that lasts all day. That is the supposed to control and maintain, keep the MS from getting worse.

Also, there's like a chemotherapy type of drug. Yeah, it's an IV drip. It targets certain cells. It's not like a chemotherapy, like widespread where it like kills all cells.

It's targeted to a specific kind of cell. But it is your immune system and it does make you immune suppressed and it will be, I will be much more susceptible to respiratory illnesses, speaking of what we were talking about before. Yeah. Well, but you know, it is what it is.

And that's coming up next week? Yes. Next week, it took like three months to schedule it because of all this insurance stuff and just getting available space at the place to go do it because it takes all day. But that, the thing is, if I can have a cold, I can't do it because I can't give it to you because I'm a little bit of a white blood cell count and all that stuff.

It's dangerous to give it to you. But the other thing is, this is forever. As long as this works, this is, I would take it the rest of my life and which means I'm more susceptible not only to getting any kind of respiratory or other kind of infection. They specifically say respiratory infections and herpes is what the two things.

Yes. Yeah. So I think I'm okay on one of those. The rest of the infections, I mean, having two kids in public school, they've both had colds in the past two weeks.

And it's the problem is not only that you get the cold, you get more stuff. It's, it has a much more chance to develop into something like pneumonia or bronchitis. Yeah. Yeah.

But I'm otherwise pretty healthy. So they, they, they feel like they have a good outlook on this. I mean, let's get the coronavirus, which, who knows, but you can't worry about that stuff. Okay.

That's okay. That helps me in my decision too. You can't worry about what it is because an asteroid could hit the earth tomorrow and we can't be there. That's, that's where your posits, you know, you're, you're saying, I don't worry and stuff, worry about stuff.

Well, I am kind of the opposite. Well, I mean, we're all going to be dead eventually. So as you said at the top of this show, people die all the time. Well, well, they do.

I mean, that's, that's a part of life. It's part of the journey of life. It's what are you doing with the life that you have now in some ways, the fact of knowing that it's going to in someday should motivate people to do what they can now. Yes.

And hopefully that is in a way to, you know, help and love with people is not, you know, go out and steal and take everything you can, whether you're a criminal or a criminal in the government. Yeah. Yeah. Uh huh.

We won't get into that, but we certainly could. There's a lot that's happened since the last time. Yeah. I've got, I've got too much to live, too much like to be living, to be worried about that, to be talking about that.

Yeah. In other words, wasting time on that. On which to say is vote. Yeah.

Please vote. Okay. So it sounds like if you can get this drug, hopefully things will be even better. Um, supposedly the drug doesn't help with the symptoms, but the symptoms are getting better and the drug should help with the should the doctor said he expects it to basically halt the progression of the disease, at least for the, you know, for the foreseeable future.

Good. Well, that's encouraging. Oh, yeah. I mean, this is, this is supposed to be, like I said, I have, I have, I had hope before I have seen things and experienced things in the past few months that are, um, evidence of that of, you know, this is getting better.

So, and it's, it's just a lot of it is managing the symptoms and realizing that the important thing is to try to manage it ahead of time, not wait until you fall off the cliff and then try to recover. Right. Right. Well, before we finish these, this probably the longest weekend review we've ever done.

Yes. Which is, which is only fitting, I suppose. Um, because we have an announcement by we, I mean, you and I, Jason, have an announcement. Yes, we do.

We here at the Speaking of Tangents podcast are, I guess, what would you say, hanging up our microphones? Uh, at least for the foreseeable future. Yes. Maybe it's a series finale, at least for now.

Yes. Season two finale. Yeah. I just wanted to say, you know, we want to thank everybody, all of our listeners over the past, I think 134 episodes.

And that doesn't include Christmas bonus episodes. It's in the 140s, please. Yeah. Whether you only listen to one episode and said, uh, I'm done.

Or if you listen to all of them. And, and bonus points, if you realize the mysterious missing episode. Yes. I didn't notice it, but yeah, I know that's why I said that.

I do know about it because it's so, it's so, it's so secretive that I may be the only person that knows. No, you told me about it. So I now know. Right.

But, uh, I know we have some internet detectives out there who like that kind of stuff. So there's one episode that's now missing that will never see the light of day again. And speaking of that, at some point, the old episodes, whether there's a season three or not, the old episodes will disappear. Yep.

You can download them all still. They're all still on sound file, which feeds, you know, which is the feed that sends to all your whatever part. Well, however you're listening to this, you should be able to go back and download all the old episodes if you want them. So if you want them, download them and save them because they will, I'm not going to say win, but probably in the next few months, they'll be gone.

I would say be safe. I would get them like by end of March, beginning of April. Just to be sure because they should, I will say they will be there around at least through another month. Yeah.

Just because it costs money to fund the storage space for that kind of stuff. Yes. Yes, it does. Okay.

So that was the announcement. Thank you. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Thank you for listening and putting up with our nonsense for what three plus years? It has been a long time now. We may be into the fourth year now of as far as chronological time.

Yeah. I think so. Me doing other stuff in the future, but who knows? You may not.

Yeah. I'm probably going to be working on music. I hope and trying to. Would you say ADL?

ADL? ASL American Sign Language. Activities of day living. And then there's the IADL which gets really technical and that's called the instrumental activities of day living.

Ooh, instrumentals. I like instruments. I like music stuff, right? Exactly.

Instruments. Yes. Of music. You have anything else for our nonsense?

No, not now. Okay. What do you say? I think you've had an idea of we're going to finish off some of these quizzes or portions of them that we have still in the queue.

Yes. I think we are going to do that. Sounds like a plan. Okay.

This is a song of words about a quiz that I've seen here. That should have been what this segment is. Okay, I'll tell you it's a quiz. What do we know?

Well, yes, we have quizzes. Quizzes, is, is, is. We still have three quizzes left in the queue. As you said, you know, when we were getting out of the last segment, we have two from quiz master Bob Walsh and we have one from Sully from Boston.

Sully. So we're going to take, I think it will, let's take two questions from each quiz. So we're going to have a total of wait for it. Six questions.

Math. So speaking of dying, do you have a die available? Always. You do.

Okay. So why don't we pick these questions by the role of the die? Do you have to roll the die? Yeah.

I have a die. I'll walk you in. We're already down that road. It's already rolled.

Okay. Two. Two. Okay.

So one, roll one more. Okay. So we're going to do question two. Twelve.

And question. Whatever the last one is. Okay. The bonus question.

Okay. So I'm going to do number two in the bonus question of the first quiz. So let's pull up first quiz. I mean, aren't you?

I already checked out. Aren't you glad? Yes. Into the season.

I've already checked out. Aren't you glad you're not hungry anymore? Well, I mean, I'm still hungry. You know, you know, you're making up.

No, I get it. You know, you know, you're going to miss that. Oh boy. Okay.

So quizlet number eight. Famous heralds and famous mods. The first sentence. Oh boy.

The first sentence from Bob Walsh here is another quiz not necessarily recommended for the podcast. Okay. Next. What's the next quiz?

He says KJ's meanderings in episode one 14. Nah, that never happened. Provided the notion for another quizlet. Identify a famous herald or famous mod based upon the three clues provided.

He says how many famous heralds and mods are there? Exactly. So he said problem is this was not an easy quiz to construct. Not only did the name mod pretty much go out of use in the early 1900s, but the first one was in the early 1900s.

But the few heralds still out there go by nicknames. That's a hint. So additional research was required. Creating quiz questions.

Yes. This is like, this is like, if you're a prospective parent and you never want your kid to be famous, name them Harold or mom. How about that? Yeah.

That would be choice number one and two. Well, I think Harold is coming back, isn't it? Harry? Harold?

Maybe. Creating quiz questions for the limited population of quote famous heralds and mods was an arduous task for the quiz writer and may present significant hurdles for the quiz takers. This quiz taker says yes. And he says there are echoes of earlier quizzes and some of the questions which may be of help.

Probably not. But it's going to take longer to read the description. You and the SOT listeners have come to a spec. So record this at your own risk.

Okay. Question number two, identify the famous herald or mod. Who is a character in a film which plot? Oh, let me go back.

Identify the famous herald or mod. Who is a character in a film which plot revolves around the condition and whereabouts of a carpet who seduces the movie's main character and who is portrayed by a future Oscar winner. So I'm going to go with this as a herald of some sort. Hmm.

I would say I would say mod because when you typically when you say seduces, particularly in old Hollywood, it's the woman doing the seduction, the sedetris. It's the male version of this. What's the what's the male term for seductress? Um, seduct.

Seductor? I think I heard T and 11 on the hall. It must be a seductor. Is that really a thing?

S-E-D-U. S-E-D-U. C. C.

C. H.E.R. Seductor. T-H-E-R.

What? S-E-R. Oh my gosh. Let me, I'm going to Google this.

Male word for sed. Is it, this is going to be another like what's, it's, it's a male seamstress. You mean a Taylor? Wait, where did that come in?

Was that one on this podcast? Oh yeah. We, we talked at length about what's the male term for a seamstress. I think one of our French chairs said you mean a Taylor.

Yeah, you mean Taylor? Yeah. Uh, here we go. Are there any male versions of words like Temptress, Vixen, etc.?

Lothario. Incubus. Jigolo. Jigolo.

Seductor. I like the best. Seducer is basically what it is. Yeah, seducer.

Yeah. I mean, seducer is the actual term. Yeah. I think we should take the T out.

Sure. All right. So, okay, so what are we doing again? We're thinking this is mod because it's a seducis is the word that is used.

What if it's not a 1920 movie? Well, I mean it's Bob. It's a movie from a hundred years ago that nobody's seen. Whereabouts of a carpet?

But the where condition. I know what this is by the way. Oh, yeah. You should notice too.

I should. Yeah. Just like I should have known. But we have to name the character which I have no idea.

Okay. So who seduces the movies and who is portrayed by a future Oscar winner? I think this is a big Lebowski is the movie. Oh, sure.

I don't know. I've never seen it. So I have so my knowledge shots right there. Okay.

Does somebody try to seduce him in the movie? Yes. Oh, no. Who she played by?

I can't remember. Is it like Bridget Fonda? It seems like a Bridget Fonda. No, it's not Bridget Fonda.

Don't think so. It's a future Oscar winner. Is it Julianne Moore? It might be.

But still I don't know what her name must be. Let's go with the mod. I'm going to go with the mod. Nailed it.

I bet. Okay. Number six, the bonus question. Identify the famous heralder mod who was eulogized by a sitting president in a statement that concluded by hoping he quote received total consciousness and quote whose directorial debut was a golfing movie and who was a Ghostbusters.

Oh, well, we know this and he recently passed away, I believe. Oh, yeah. Who was eulogized? Yeah.

Harold. I know it was recent. A couple years. Harold.

What was his last name? I'm going to introduce this out. Oh, that is now a bit of juice of herb now. I'll let you be and choose this out.

Harold Raymond. Harold Raymond. There you go. There you go.

Okay. So I think we nailed quiz number one. Okay. Get the die back out.

Okay. And we'll go. The die is always out. That's true.

The wheel never stops. We'll go to quiz number nine, which is that guy that gal part two. Ooh, this is another Bob Walsh special. This is a Bob Walsh special.

Is this another one that says this is not meant for consumption? No, this one does not say that. Please do not take this quiz if you're allergic to taking quiz. I kind of am allergic to taking quizzes.

I think we have learned that. Yeah. That's why this season two is over. Yes.

I killed it. I killed it. Yes. The quiz is killed.

Okay. So roll your die. We only have five. Roll die.

12. So what's the highest number? Five. Okay.

So five. Only in this podcast. 12. Okay.

Okay. Four. Okay. Four and five.