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Hi. Hi. How are you? Oh my God. Where are we talking to you from? Grand Canyon. The beach is over there. Now, before we get into Seth, Shu, when I arrived at SNL in 2001, what was your job? What was your title? I think I was producer. I had, you know, I was there already 15 years. So I was, you know, I knew what I was doing finally. I had had my thousand hours of, so you didn't meet young fuck up shoemaker. And how, where did young shoemaker get started at SNL? How did young shoemaker get his start? Script PA. My first job there was in 1986, which is.
uh change overcast dana victoria jan and um first thing was uh i came in and the job was to take a yellow legal pad written script out of a bin and type it up so everyone could read because it's free computers so big old select your typewriters and i was actually hired because i had typing skills um and i could type fast and not make mistakes so the first thing was a church chat so i had to like read dana's straw with no punctuation i always read the script first even one time you were there i would put the read through order in so i got to read everything for performance so i got better at understanding everyone's performance style like the way Like I could never guess how Maya would pronounce a word still to this day because she always will change it. I cannot believe that Dana Carvey wrote church chat on yellow legal pad. Literally, you could not find a period or a comment in it. Like he didn't know how to do them. Yeah. It worked. It worked. I mean, so Shoemaker was the guy and it still is the guy. Like kind of, you know, I've said this before publicly. You're the best producer I've ever worked with. I think you're an incredible producer. And now how long have you been working at Late Night? Since the beginning? Yeah. So it's 11 years.
11 years. So Amy and I left the same day, basically. Yeah, she and I, we had a combined goodbye party. Yes. That is called, like, my surprise party because Amy set it up and didn't want to call it her. But it was really ours. Now, I'm talking to Steph today. I'm almost worried that I'm too relaxed.
You know what I mean? Because I feel not at all nervous. You know, it is a friendship that's so easy and we can hang so easily that I feel kind of underprepared. I'm going to try to poke him a little bit with some things that will get him a little mad because it's a lot of fun when Seth gets mad. It really is fun. I know. It is kind of most fun. Well, I hope someday you come on as a guest because I do want to continue to talk about. Amy, Amy, you have sponsors. Yeah, that's true. Bill Simmons. Bill's never going to. No, there's no way he's going to let you on. Those blue eyes are turned black saying, what are you booking these? No one ever heard of.
Just keep going with it. You're right. I'm sorry I even said that. There's no way you're going to be a guest. I mean, we literally just had Michelle Obama. Like, we just had Michelle Obama. Like, no offense to you, but don't call us. We'll call you. I mean, we're never going to get to you. I'm sorry, Bill. I even mentioned it. But, okay. So what do you think I should be, what would you want to hear me ask Seth today? What do you think we should talk about? Anything big or small? So the question that I want you to ask is that I think the reason that we all became a unit is because you and I saw him first. And by that, I mean, he felt seen by us before everyone else there did. I think.
That's accurate. Because you were kind of famous and I was a producer there 15 years, but he was like a feature player that you don't necessarily invest in in the first year because you don't know what's going to happen. But we did. So we were the first people that he felt seen by. So my question would be, what does he think we saw?
What does he think that we saw in him? What a great question. As early investors to the Seth Meyers Corporation, what does he think we saw in him? He is going to have, that's a deep question, dude. He might have, he might turn into sand. Like when he has to, he might just turn into a thousand crows and fly away. Like that just might be like, that might be what breaks him. Also, you know, he's a talk show host. So like compliments, like when people come on and compliment him, he has to end it and turn it around. So he will like say nice things about us and say like we were perceptive. Now you should allow that and don't edit that out.
But also, like, punch each fire. Make him say, like, what qualities did he have? Because I think that will be a nice thing to hear out of him. That is so good. Because he doesn't talk nicely about himself. I know. I think Seth is probably least comfortable talking about himself. And I relate. I relate. I would much rather talk about him. No, it's hard to get you to do it, too. Yeah. Say something nice about yourself. Now? Yeah. Well, I have a fantastic fake food collection in my podcast video. It looks great. And, you know, I collected it. That's all I can think of. Well, Shu, I love that you're taking a vacation. You work too hard.
Congratulations on 11 years. We got to celebrate the 10 years together, which was great. I mean, I hope you do 10 more. You think you'll do 10 more? I don't know. I don't know. What's TV? What's the world? I don't know. I don't know. Is this TV? It'll be like this, maybe. Is this TV? Where I talk to you over there, but you listen too? Right. That's how it works. That's TV. All right. I love you. Thank you so much. And thank you, Catherine and Mike, for setting Mike up on this and doing this. They're ready on the beach. Okay, great. Okay, go to the beach. Thank you so much. I love you so much. I'll see you very soon. Okay, bye.
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For those listening, Seth's already giving us a time where he needs to be out. He needs to be out by 1210. I don't feel like you respect other people's schedule. I mean, I feel like before we've even started, Seth told me, how long is this going to go? Oh, glasses. Well, same kind. Pretty similar. That's weird. You get tortoise? I tortoise. Of course. I am going to wipe my glasses on my pants. When did you start wearing glasses? Within like the last six months. Really? You waited? I did a great job. And I.
I think it's easier to do crack cocaine ones than wear reading glasses ones. You know what I mean? The minute you put them on forever. I put them on for like two seconds. What's your prescription? Just a 1.5. Try it too. No, I don't want to try it too. What? Because you never go back? But just try it. See how much better everything looks with it too. I mean, it's really good. Yeah. Let me try your ones. I'm not even going to feel those ones. See? I wish.
This is actually not so bad. I can see this pretty well. So do it. Go back. Maybe I'm partying too hard. What do you listen to your podcast on? Now that you're a podcaster, do you feel like that's an unfair question? Thanks for calling me that. And you really are a podcaster. You do too. What do I listen to my podcast on? I once said to a podcaster that I listen to them.
at 1.5 and they were hurt. Oh, you mean fast? I never speed up. What? You listen to podcasts slower? You slow it down? I slow it. No, I listen regular. I never speed up. Oh, interesting. Sometimes I'll do the 10 second skip. Like if, if like a podcast gets like gross or something, or if I know, you know, like. What are you listening to?
What podcast gets gross for 10 seconds? This is my interview. We are with Seth Meyers and he's already asking me questions. And Seth, I'm realizing we're sitting the way we used to sit at Update. It is. It's our update position. And you also, we're sitting the way you usually sit on your show. I'm very...
Grateful that it's this. Your people insisted on it. Did they? No, no. But I feel very strongly about having a good side. Okay. Thank you for saying that. A few people that have noticed that I've switched to another side. I started the first couple of podcasts on that side. That's why I thought you maybe did this for me. And I did it for me because I feel like I have a good side and it's this side. And you like that side? I like this side. And if anybody wants to see our bad side, they can look at the Entertainment Weekly cover we did.
Which is the worst photograph of either of us. Yeah, it was shot with a fisheye lens, I think. They did us dirty. And I was pulling your tie. And it was like, would you like to see two asymmetrical faces look even weirder with this lens? And I was so excited. That was a time in my life. I was so excited. We were on the cover of Entertainment Weekly. Yeah. And then I saw it and I felt unexcited. I don't think there's been many photo shoots in my life where I've seen it and thought, nailed it.
I don't think I've, I could maybe count them on my hand. I feel very strongly thinking I'm in common is we have great faces that as long as they're moving. Gotta keep moving. But once they stop. There's no good freeze frame as a whole. Yeah, no. Yeah. In fact, when we used to do photo shoots and I'd say like, don't worry, we're going to just do like a light retouch. I would say light retouch. Eyes and a mouth. That's all I want to see. Yeah. I don't want, I want the heaviest retouching you could ever do. Yeah.
Don't feel like you're doing me a courtesy of being like, we barely touched it. I'm like, go nuts. Get your best touch guy in here. Get your, the wand and the, like, I know there's a thing now of like being natural, like don't retouch. Yeah. But I'm against that. A hundred percent. If you want to see the real thing, come see the real thing. But otherwise you're getting the retouch version. If you're asking me to stay still, then we need to paint over, change my nose and everything. No, but I feel like we've done a lot of photo shoots together over the years. And I bet you get what I get, what a lot of people get, which is they really want you to be funny. Yeah. And they want you to do funny things. Yeah. I had a heartbreaking GQ photo shoot.
where first I walked in and the photographer didn't know who I was for the GQ comedy issue. So that put me in a headspace where I was maybe felt as though a mistake had been made. Yikes. And then I remember they had wanted, I think it was whipped cream from the like, and they wanted to spray it all over. My face. And the amount I had to say, like, you know this will just look like. Bad. Yeah. You know what this also looks like on a face. Oh. It's funny. They used to want to put a lot of weird stuff on my face, too. One time I was like, I have an idea where your hands are covered in barbecue sauce and your barbecue sauce is all over your face. And I was like, okay. It is, by the way, like, people get talked into, like, young in their life, like maybe a pornographic photo shoot. Yeah. Very easy.
Could happen to me in a heartbeat. If anybody had ever shown a modicum of an interest in that, I would have been 100%. And I think the same thing happened to you that happened to me where you go to a photo shoot and it was like, you turn the corner and there'd be a table of rubber chickens and clown noses and giant props. And you just like, oh God, I'm such, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm being pimped out. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel as though they should save those for the dramatic actors and just let us look nice for once. I completely agree. Okay. Seth Meyers, Seth, Kevin Meyers, what you mean? What you mean? I don't know it. You don't have to get it. Seth.
Zachary Myers. How many hints do you want? I'm going to get it. Seth Michael Myers. You're going to get it without hints? I know your family. Seth David Myers? No. Seth. Again, there's hints. All right. Give me a hint. It's an A name. Oh. Seth Alexander Myers? Seth Andrew Myers? No.
I was so worried because I know these are only an hour. And I thought, oh, it's going to go by so fast. And now I'm so happy we're using the time. We're not going to cut this out. Seth Albert? Nope. Oh, that's your dog. That's a dog name. By the way, my dad, you know, for those not in the know, we've had six old English sheepdogs. They've all been named Albert. And then when we started giving all our kids A names, my dad was very, he admitted he was hopeful we were going to also name a kid Albert. And I said, no, I think you took it away. Yeah. If all the dogs haven't been named Albert, there was a chance. But we weren't going to name our kid after a living dog. Okay, one last guess.
Don't cut this out. Don't cut the answer. No, this is good. People like this. This is good for... Especially because I think people were tuning in and being like, you know what? I can't wait because they know each other so well. They've been friends for so long. And then what they get to do is listen to you just without hints. Try to guess my middle name. My last guess is Seth America Myers. That is what I do like to... That's what I answer to. That's my full email. Adam.
Adam! Sure. That makes sense. Okay, Seth Adam Meyers, when did we first meet? Well, I remember the first time we met probably better than you remember the first time we met, which is I was at I.O. Improvalympic. Improvalympic, yeah. And there was a Herald show. Which is an improv show. And there used to be two different teams. In the middle there would be The Dream. Yes. Which was an improvised game where somebody from the audience would come up, somebody on stage would interview them about their day, and then the two improv teams would improvise what their dream would look like. And I came up on stage and you interviewed me.
And it was not during a show with me and Tina. It was. I also saw the show with you and Tina. Oh, you saw it. Okay, right. But we didn't call you up. Right. So I interviewed about you about your day. We did not know each other. We did not know each other. I was a fan of yours. It was very exciting to get interviewed by you. But then the next time, the next time we spoke was after we both got hired. Do you believe in the simulation? Do you believe that like there's some kind of universal thing where like basically that people come in and out of your life in different ways and you don't really. I do a little bit. Me too. Because that's a very simulation thing. Can I tell you though something? Yesterday.
I got the same Uber driver on back-to-back days in Giant City, Los Angeles. And I got in the car and I was like, can you believe this? And it meant nothing to him. And I was so, I was so disappointing. Did you, what's his name? Well, that was his name. Oh, you didn't even find out. No, I know. That's why I remembered. His name was Mush. Mush? M-U-S-H. So I don't make me say it wrong, but like. So that's one of the reasons. I was like, there can't be two. And I was like, hey, Mush. I'm back. You said, I'm back. Yeah. It did feel like a curb episode where I was a very frustrated Larry David. It's like, Mush. Hey, remember?
And he's like, no, I'm just trying to get you to the Grove. Yeah. Okay. So we, and then the dream happened. We improvised your day. Yep. Cut to you and I starting at the same time at SNL. People, people may not know this, but we were both there post 9-11 and our first show was two weeks after it. And there was like a very interesting, we were part of a freshman class. It was four people got hired. Yep. It was, who was it? Dean Edwards. Yep. Jeff Richards. Yeah. You and I. Yeah. And then for writers. Spivey. Emily Spivey. Max Brooks. Yes.
Charlie Grandy? Maybe Charlie Grandy. Yeah. And we all kind of came in together and we kind of met in Shoemaker's office as a lot of young, young, new people did to like kind of get the lay of the land. But I think we might have like met each. I don't. Yes. I'm going to say something and hopefully I won't get too emotional saying it, but I remember like getting hired at SNL was already. Cry, cry, cry. I'm going to put on my glasses. No, but like I remember getting hired at SNL was like already like, but they said, and Amy Poehler also got hired. And I was like, oh, I felt even elevated that I was like, oh, I'm in Amy Poehler's class. You know what I mean?
For those that can't see, Seth has tears in his eyes. I don't think I do. You almost cried. You're such a crier. Oh, I'm such a crier. You love to cry. I love to cry. I'm going to make you cry. I also only cry historically about stuff that makes me happy. Say more. What do you mean? Well, I don't think I cry a lot when I'm sad. Oh, when you're sad, yeah. God forbid you express how you feel when you're sad. No, when I'm sad, I think it's like... Turn into a rock. Yeah, a little rock guy. A little rock guy that everybody loves. Loves the company of rock man. Okay, so we started at the same time. Yep. And speaking of that time...
You know, I, okay, I love your podcast. I've told you this. I've been on them. I've participated in them. You do family trips with the great Josh Myers, your brother and partner on that podcast. And you do, what's it called? The Seth Meyers. The Lonely Island and Seth Meyers podcast. It was only fair to put them first. We're really only talking about their work. Well, but, and that podcast is incredible. It's a joy. It's so good. I want to talk to you about it. But that, on both of them, you have like, as I've listened, you slowly, like, I've learned something about you that I don't think I really took in, which was those early years were harder for you than I thought.
They were so hard. I know. But I would have guessed the two people who knew the most would have been you and Shoemaker. But I will say, I am happy that I kept it hidden the way that I did. Because I don't think like...
when you present the feelings that I was having at SNL, I think that that is not a vibe that people want to like be around. Right. And it is, it can become like a little bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. So I did. What was the vibe then? If you were to distill it down, what was the feeling then? I just felt as though they'd made a terrible mistake, right? Like just full imposter syndrome. And I showed up and pretty quickly, I think, you know, to go back to what I said, like, I'm so excited. You know, oh my God, they're hiring me the same time as Amy Poehler. And then you walk down the hallway and you're like, oh my God, I'm in the same show as Will Ferrell and Chris Kattan and Tracy Morgan. And you're like, look, I'm one of them. And then you realize like, no, like you then have to like do the work and show that you're.
you know, at the same level. And those early years as well, I just had that sense of, I can write for this show, but like, I don't know if they actually like need what I bring as a performer to the show. And I don't feel like I was being hard on myself either. There was a, there were a lot of guys in your time, like a lot of. Well, in the early days, it was, it felt as though I could see the road ahead of me because I forgot that thing, which is when people like Will Ferrell and Jimmy Fallon leave, Katan, that doesn't mean like you get their parts because they also hire people behind you. And that was for me, the real crisis of confidence was, and again.
You know, I say this as dear friends. These are people I'm huge fans of. But like when like Sudeikis and Sandberg and Fred and Will and Hayter rolled through. Yeah. And I would be writing sketches knowing that if I was not a cast member, I would not write for me.
Like if it wasn't my job to take care of myself and I just wanted my sketched hair, I would be my sixth choice too. So I, you know, early on, I kind of wanted to like blame the writing staff for not putting me in things. And I'm like, oh, I mean, if you have this toolbox at your disposal, I understand that. Well, I think that's what's so wonderful about you. And also what can be painful is you're not, you're not a really, you're not a deluded person. No. You do not, you don't have the like warm bath of delusion. Right. That some people are like, ah, you are a very realistic person. So you're able to look at things very realistically and be like, I have to figure this out. Yes. And I did feel that vibe. Okay. So we do this thing on our show where we ask people beforehand to give me questions. Okay. So I talked to Shoemaker. Okay.
Yeah, of course. I knew I would like, he is technically your life partner. It would have been so funny if you were like, I'm a little tired of talking about Seth. He's in the Cayman Islands right now. So we got him and he was on vacation. I, by the way, called him on the way here. He just texted me and said, I'm ghosting Seth. So tell me when you're done. He didn't fully ghost me. Yeah, he said, I'm not picking up. Then when you said you were talking to him, I'm like, obviously you called him before he was in the Cayman Islands. But no. No, he purely ghosted you. I mean, you two are like in another life. You are brothers in arms. You are each other. I mean, I'm pretty good with what we are in this life. I think it's, I mean, he is as close as I.
could be to a person yeah you have an amazing friendship and he has he gave me a question to ask you that I love so much is the best question of course because you make her such a good producer and writer and friend but he gave me I think the best question I've been given yet now I've only done like six episodes so but did while he was on with you did the doorbell ring and does a thousand dogs bark thank you again for doing that by the way I owe all of you a lot I mean I owe Dratch like half of this the money I feel like it's the movie I've been in that I get the most feedback on I think that's 60 seconds. The amount in the last month people are like, oh my God, I can't stop watching the clip. I can't either. Where dratches, headphones tangle, and then the doorbell rings. It's like watching a one person show. It is. It is like watching a Broadway, like a clown on stage, like a farce. It's like somebody said, do noises off in a minute. Just you.
People don't know. We cut so much out of that because Dratch couldn't get her headphones truly untangled for minutes. And then couldn't figure out how to plug it in. And then they weren't working. And then the doorbell rang. So we cut a lot out. Yeah. And then her laptop died. She was carrying around like a pizza box around her whole apartment. And thank God for you because you were the only one that was trying to keep it going. Because Fred's just watching. Oh, yeah. Zarna was on set, I think, so she could barely hear. And you were like, so how's it going, Amy? I was like, it's going good. I think it's going good so far. Oh, Dratch. Okay, but nice try trying to fake me out so that I don't ask you this question. But Shu said, let me ask you this, which is.
I would agree that in those early years, him and I saw something in you. We kind of invested early in the Seth Meyers preparation. What do you... Oh, my God. I'm getting him to cry. Oh, my God. You guys, I wish we could zoom in. I wish I could zoom in. This might come true. I'm getting you to cry. Okay. This is a specific kink that people... You know people are going to... This is like a kink. Wait. We have tissues. We have tissues. Where are they? Sam. Oh, my God. Thank you, Sam.
If you have this, this is a trap. I just want to remind you, we only have a few minutes left for the session. Everyone else. All it is with Jack Black is like, your joy. Talking to Ike about restaurants. Is this not even a podcast? This is like just six fake episode traps. If you look past the camera, there's a bunch of friends and family that love you and want to talk to you about something. We just think you need to get some help. And we're just using this opportunity. Okay. What's the help? And if you need to squeeze this cheeseburger, you can. This will help. What do you mean? What is? You know, this is all fake.
what is this podcast? I've listened to every episode. I had a real sense of it. I'm like, it's food based. Okay. Okay. If you get nervous, just talk, just talk into these, talk into these bananas. Okay. But what do you think Shoemaker and I, what do you think we saw in you? This is very unfair. I feel again, this is very unfair. I don't, I don't know. I mean, like, to be honest, like one of the things that I feel most grateful for is I don't know. I didn't see it. Yeah. So, I know to this day, like, I don't make it on that show without you guys. And I think that,
I was very lucky that Lauren saw me through your eyes and Schumacher's eyes. Because I don't know if, you know what I mean? Like, I don't feel like, I feel like Lauren has been, is obviously a fan of mine now and has a lot of faith in me. But like that. He thinks you're okay. He thinks you're fine. Is this a quote? He sent me a, I said, I'm interviewing Seth today. And he went, oh, that's fine. He's okay. That's what he said. Did you?
Lauren gave a quote in the New York Times about me. Yeah, please say it again. Genuine. Like two quotes that are like insanely, it's all I heard from everybody in our world was how fucking funny the Lauren quotes were. One was, I love Seth or I care for him or whatever it is you're allowed to say these days. Which is, it's the funniest. I'm like, I think you misunderstand. Whatever you think woke is, you're allowed to say you love a male friend. Like he's like, I love him. He like backtracked like he's like, I want to get canceled.
He caught loving my friend. And then the reporter was like, I think Seth's a really gifted impressionist. And he's like, I don't know if I'd go that far. And I believe he said, I think he's fine. Which is the best. The best. Gifted was a little over the top. Yeah. So when we did Update Together, which was so fun in a million different ways. And there's like, when I think about us being at the desk together, I think of two things. One, I had ease because I had gotten to do it with Tina. Like I just genuinely felt a little more relaxed. I was so trying to figure out how to do this thing when I was doing it with Tina, who had done it with Jim. It was like this passing. But what we also got to do together in real time was like figure out how we were going to do it together. And the way in which we're going to do it. And because you and Shoemaker and...
And, you know, previously, like, Mike Schur and Alex Bays, you know, like, the team was so strong of update writers and people. It just felt like you were in a club within a club. You were on SNL, but then you also got another secret key. And I know we talked about it. Being on Update, you could relax that you were actually going to be on the show. That made such a difference. We talked about this recently. I think in the Lonely Island pod, but I remember Andy wrote this sketch called That'll Move the Chains, where he was a kid in, like, in the booth of a football game. He kept saying, That'll Move the Chains. And it worked. It was fine.
uh it was very funny i'm understanding but then he came in my office like a month later because i think we're gonna write another that'll move the chains and i said another because it just struck me it didn't strike me as a recurring character yeah and he said another and he goes not everybody has update every week i was like all right like when you because again i got to go from that thing of like desperately fighting to find a way to have a reason to get in hair and makeup on saturday to have an update yes and then also you got to say your name gotta say my name obviously not my middle name nope can i i feel like the most uh tense are uh chemistry ever had was uh mornings update mornings bagel times yeah because someone had pre-split the jokes and then there were a few like left over that we both wanted and i feel like there was a real dance of interesting i would say that i thought i would have hidden that but that's probably true i think we were like are you gonna take that joke i wonder who takes the good joke here yeah my here's how i saw it from you it's like hmm that feels like an amy joke Do you want it? And I'd be like, I mean, I would love it. It would mean a lot to me as a friend. I'm asking for it. You're like, it's a really weird joke. I just feel like it's going to kind of flop. And then I'd go, I hex this joke. I would hex it. Yeah, you would hex it. I would curse you. And then when, if I had the few times you let me have it, you would be off camera while I was telling it. Thumbs down. I don't remember us ever fighting at all. That was it. It was just that like. We did argue. I would say that.
one of the things like I don't think we ever got into it we never were but we like to I mean look really came out of that right like this we like to be frustrated and irritated and I don't mind being frustrated and irritated with people that I'm close to that is like a way of my favorite thing is when you and I feel very differently about a movie or a tv show like that when we have different opinions about something because it's very fun when you're mad about something okay so with that in mind I'm gonna give you a couple of things I want to know your opinion on it okay The beach. Oh, I'm not a huge fan. I'm coming around on the beach just because my kids like it, but given a choice, it would be one of the last places I would be. What do you not like about it? What are you going to do there that wouldn't be better anywhere else? See the ocean? See the ocean, but you can see the ocean from a porch somewhere, right? There's a lot of vantage points in the ocean that are not in sand. You don't like the sand. You have a sensory thing. Here's the thing. Everybody that wants to go to the beach, then I go to the beach, and then they're like, get the sand off. They're like, don't get sand in the car. I'm like, I didn't even want to come here.
You know what I mean? Like, I was so happy. You could have left me where I was. The sand would never have been a problem. So, I love the beach. And that's where we disagree. Ayahuasca. No interest. No. Have you? No. Yeah. That one feels like the combo of, I always feel like there's a white bucket around that people are puking in. And I'm always like, first of all, let's, I don't know, decorate the buckets or something. Like, it just feels so stressful. Yeah, it seems like weird to not decorate the buckets. Like, it just seems like very stressful. Can I say that I think you might be the only person to have this bounce on ayahuasca is that they don't decorate the buckets? The puked buckets? And also, other people. Yeah.
I mean, I guess maybe, but like, maybe if I could do it, if I had like an ayahuasca guy, like a private guy. But it seems like you have to do it with a bunch of other people. There's also, I'd be like, I've known a few people who've done it and they tell you it's changed their life. And then you like talk to them three months later and they seem a lot like they were before. They bounce right back. They bounce right back. It turns out once the ayahuasca is out of their system. How do you feel about getting older?
That's a good question. I turned 50 last year. Congrats. And thank you. I turned 51 this year. So I'm 51. I feel like you didn't celebrate prop. Look, I'm in that dead, no bars, cell service, December 28th. There's no room for somebody like me to have a birthday. And I'm fine with it. It's been my whole life. Why don't you have a birthday, like a half birthday when you're 51 or something? I know. Even as I said it, it sounds so stupid. We all got that invite. We'd be like, is that okay? He lost his mind.
I felt totally fine turning 50. But then I think part of it was because it was 50, I was like taking stock. And I'm like, you know what? I would be very happy if I knew all these things were going to happen to me by the time it's 50. This is really good. With that said, like, I think as it's like 51 and a half or whatever it is now, I'm like, oh, yeah, no, I don't dig this as much. Here's the thing that happened to me the other day. Stop pointing. Stop pointing at me. Don't point my French right at me.
I had a dream that I was being chased and I was crawling through one of those transom windows over a door. And then I woke up with my neck hurt. And I was like, I've officially, I hurt myself from a dream. Because I was trying to crawl through it. You pulled your neck in a dream. I pulled my, like, what happened? It's like, well, in my dream. What kind of sleeper are you? Do you like, do you fall asleep fast? I do. And then do you sleep through the night and do you snore? We're now wearing mouth tape.
Okay, I want to talk about mouth tape. I talked about CPAP with Jack Black. I would like to switch to mouth tape. Sorry, I don't want to abandon my CPAP people. My CPAP army. I'm sure they're out there right now. Your CPAP? Your CPAP? But I would love to get to a mouth tape. You're a pebble person. I'm a pebble person. Yeah, of course. I'm not an animal. But I'd like to get to a mouth tape and I have tried a mouth tape. Okay. I'm a little worried about, I'm hooked on the moisture that I get from my CPAP. You know, you get like moist air. It's really nice for the nose. Yeah. You don't get that with mouth tape. No.
What kind of mouth tape are you using? You have a giant staff. What if one of them just stood over the bed with a little spray bottle? And just, I mean, so many, because when I see your staff, and I'm polite to them, by the way, which they seem to really appreciate. And they very much appreciate it. A lot of them are like, we feel like there's not enough for us to do. Well, no, you know, I like to have them work on the holidays and you always wish them a Merry Christmas and I appreciate that. You're allowed to again. You're allowed to. Say Merry Christmas again. That's right, that's right. What was I going to say? Oh, so yeah, I was shocked because I do have a hard time breathing through my nose. I feel like I've been stuffed up like almost the entirety of my life. And yet when you tape, it kind of forces you to like early in the night, you're just like breathing through your nose, you're keeping the airways open.
I'm a big fan of it. I'm thinking about switching over to tape. Now, I should say, and I hope this won't disabuse you of making the switch, one night a week, I wake up at three in the morning and do this. So if that sounds jarring to you or whoever might be in the room. That would be good for a commercial. For mouth tape. By the way, do you? Because you mentioned butt tape with Jack Black. Do you remember the Fred's Breathe Right? Oh, wait, you mentioned it on, I must have been in my, because you guys just mentioned it on your podcast. Tell people for those that didn't hear that. It was a Breathe Right strip. It was a Fred commercial parody. It was a Breathe Right strip for your butt.
that would pull the way because breathe right pulls the nose apart to make it easier to breathe and so this pulled the butt apart so that when you pass gas it wouldn't be loud and it wouldn't wake up the person in bed with you but it has the best tag because it's the it's him in bed with wig and it's quiet you just hear like but then she still goes oh what's that smell because it doesn't it doesn't get rid of the smell it just doesn't make noise anymore and i remember her being disgusted yeah really good yeah really good disgusted wig okay what about uh what people do at airports and driving well like let me ask you this what time do you arrive for a flight A lot of cushion. For the cushion. A lot of cushion. Sorry. Sorry. I feel like you don't even care. I feel like this is another trap. Yeah, we get there very early. We never check. Never check a bag. Never check a bag. Absolutely not. It's kind of stunning. You can board. Hey, you have young kids, so you can board. Yeah, although we're- That's such a scam. By the way, we are now well outside the zone of what they mean by if you're boarding with a young family. That's not true. Your kids are still young enough. I think they mean toddlers.
Oh, wait, because your youngest is how? Three and a half. No, I would say, as a judgmental person at the airport, I would not mind that. And I think everybody realizes, it is better for us to get on first. Sure. I mean, I think that's a little bit of, like, there's so many people now that board with young children. But you're right. When I had young children, it was nice to be able to have that. It's also nice for everybody else. I'm just saying, if they let you on before the boarding starts and our maniacs are in their seats. But I know you can be kind of hypervigilant like I am about when people are doing stuff wrong or getting it wrong or whatever. And I feel like the airport is the ultimate version of that. Like, every single interaction is about.
power struggle and like, or at least for me, figuring out how I can be more efficient next time and hoping other people will follow suit and just like trying to practice my system in a place where everybody has their own system. The worst mistake I made, I took just Axel to visit my parents and we went to the airport and Axel just, who's the most. unique in my kids. He just ran full speed and just slid across the airport floor. And I made a mistake of laughing and now he does it. And it's that bummer of I'm so sure the next time he does it, when we're with the whole family, Alexi will be like, actually should, because they're filthy floors. Don't do that. And he'll be like, daddy liked it. Daddy liked it. Yeah, I know. But that sounds like a great move. He kind of, without ever seeing an old, that's what I mean, without seeing an old breakdancing video, he really ended with his head in his hands. My kid's a funny kid. He's a funny kid. He's a funny kid.
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Okay, speaking of funny, you're performing with Oliver, John Oliver. How do you like doing a show with him and with somebody else? Do you stand up? You love it. Well, first of all, I really like John as a person. And so we have a friendship where we would never see each other socially. And so just because of our schedules. And now we get to hang out once a month. Like one Sunday a month, we like hang out and we get there for soundcheck. And then we have like an hour to talk, which is great. And Brooks Whelan, who used to be on SNL, is our opener. So the three of us have a very lovely relationship. The other thing is, especially now because I had a special come out and so I'm doing new material. And it's lovely to know that the audience is getting...
John as well. Well, I mean, I've never met John. He seems lovely. Can I say something? I feel like so few people have both notes and the laptop. You know what? Okay, a couple things. The laptop is a problem.
Yeah, this is made out of chocolate. This is edible. So Bill Simmons asked me about the laptop and he was like, do you need it? And the reason why I like the laptop is because I feel like I can look things up very slowly. Right. And, you know, and I can find things on here that, like, for example, I can use this laptop to, Seth, what are you watching, listening to? What do you, where do you go to escape? What do you do? Do you watch something? Do you, like, like the world is on fire. Everything feels intense. This podcast for me is an attempt to just like try to connect in a fun, dumb way. What do you watch, do, see? I'm going to answer your question. And I'm going to get on the laptop.
Great. And for those that are listening, listen to this. But I want to say, so you got that from an old submarine? I don't know why it's making that noise. So wait, and that tells you where the nearest submarine is.
I'm tracking my submarine. This is, I'm very excited about what's happening right now with this podcast. Thank you. No, but I think it's the purest form of you. Thanks. From the perspective of people who know you. Like, you've done great, like, work everywhere. But, like, the amount of people who said to me, like, oh, my God, is she really like that? Like, people love this so much. And it's such a joy to be like, yes, this podcast is pure polar. Thank you for saying that. Because Leslie Knope's the best, but, like, you're cooler than Leslie Knope. And.
Well, Leslie is a harder worker than I am. And she's less. Because you have complained a lot to me about how hard it is to do a podcast already. And you're like seven episodes in. So tiring. Like, I'm literally exhausted. Leslie Knope would never. Never. She'd do five a day. She's such a good listener, too. I think that's why. And so I'm very, I think that this is, you know, again, your skills as a listener on full display. And you're the best audience. Like, you've always been such a good audience. Thanks, dude. I feel the same way about you. I think this is why your show is such an incredible triumph, is you are very, very good at.
making people feel like they're being heard and you enjoy a good time those two things are not like you need those two things in a host and I love people being the if anything you do to facilitate them being the best version of themselves is a joy but do you ever feel when you're doing interviews like do you ever check out and you're like oh shit I haven't been listening no I think I take that part so you yeah I think the worst thing My nightmare is, um. Yeah, I've been there a couple times already. Really? Where I've been thinking, I've been future tripping in my head about what I'm going to say next and then someone's talking and I'm like, uh-oh. Yeah. I didn't listen to what they said. I think I, yeah. Did you feel it at all? Well, there were two times where people said a really sad thing and you said, ha ha ha, that's hilarious. Yeah. Like, I mean, I said, LOL. The Reddit page of this podcast is already like, oh my God, she did it again. LOL, LOL. And then I said, lots of love, lots of love.
It is the save. It's funny because you both times thought you saved it and everybody. What did you just see on your laptop? It's a low battery. It's about to run out. It's at the lowest red line. I think obviously it took a lot of battery to make that sound. That's just sucking. That's sucking the battery right out of that thing. You know what I like? We mentioned British people. Pointing again. I like watching British people break. There's that like Jimmy Carr show. There's like a panel show. I think it's called 8 out of 10 cats. I've never watched a full episode, but I keep getting served.
like short clips of like... like British panelists making other British panelists laugh. I just like watching British people break. I feel like, see, you're not better than us. You're such an Anglophile. You really are. You love Brits. I do. So you like people trying not to laugh or just like a chat shows, panel shows? Yeah, I mean, in general, I like, you know, it's like watching an old Carol Burnett episode, but I do like, but I feel like British people try really hard not to break. So when they break it, I don't know, it brings me more satisfaction. Okay, so I have one last question, Seth. That's it? This has been just lovely. Has it? Well, you know what, though? I do want to talk to you about your podcast because that podcast is one of my favorites. Thank you. I love those Lonely Island.
Manboys. They were so important to all of us. I love the memory lane that you guys go down. But what is so funny to me still is the way that everybody is themselves on that podcast. The way in which everybody shows up to it, participates in it, what they remember, how you guys interact with each other. What is it like doing that with them? It's so fun because, one, I love them so much. And I can't remember the last time all four of us talked together or even had a meal together. And I've been saying, there's so much written about how as men get older, they have no friendships. So you've got to start a podcast to all lonely men.
Start a podcast. Well, I think every man has done that because every single podcast I see is just filled with lonely men trying to make friends. True story. During the pandemic. You remember my friend Doug Stradley? Stradley. Stradley the best. And Stradley and I are in a fantasy football league. We did a weekly podcast just about the fantasy football league that the other 10 guys would listen to. That was what we were doing during the pandemic. And it was like, and then when I started doing professional podcasts, I had to stop that one. And like to those 10 guys, they're like, it's, I mean, we totally get it. You're doing real podcasts now, but man, we miss the, we miss the Stradley podcast. You have a lot of old college friends. I'm very, I got a good, and you know, improv friends. Like I feel very lucky. Well, it's not just luck. I put a lot of work into cultivating. You do. And that's what Shoemaker and I were talking about is the kind of friend you are. You're very, very good at friendship.
I feel like it might be the thing I miss. You are excellent at friendship. Why is friendship so important? What does it do for you? What has it done for you? I just love having... I thought I was out of the woods.
For those listening, I just want you to know his eyes are glistening again. I just love my friends and I've been so lucky to have them. It's just the best. I feel like I get so much more out of them than I put into it. And what do they do for you? Because some people, friendship is something that, yes, everybody loves friendship, but they don't participate in it the way you do. You're a very loyal, consistent, and meticulous friend. You pay attention to your friends. They feel very seen by you. I can speak for myself. And you get such delight in your friendships. Well, I think that scene is a really good way to put it because I like the way.
I like who I am through the eyes of my friends. So it would break my heart to not be... held in high opinion by the people I care the most about. You like how you feel when you can see how they see you. Whenever I'm like, how am I doing as a person? Like when I take stock of who my friends are, I feel very good about who I am as a person. And you have a lot of female friends. I do. Great, like a great number. I count myself as one of them. Women in your life who are your friend, who you are deeply tender to and very like, you really like take care of us and you care about us and you, like, I mean, you're the only, you and Shoemaker are the only men that are ever allowed even close to a lot of the SNL women we gather together as a group. And just recently we let you sit with us for 30 minutes. Yeah.
And then we said, I think maybe it was Tina, but Tina said, thank you for coming. And also thank you for leaving. Yeah. Well, on the way there, I said, Seth, heads up, we're meeting. And I think you have about a half an hour. And you said, fine, I'll take that. And then we sat down at the steakhouse and you hung. And then Tina said, and now it's time to go. Yeah. Yeah. It was. Can I point out my favorite observations about you guys? Yes. You need a second table.
for all your jackets. And every one of you had two totes. Yeah. And most of the meal. Again, I think if people saw the seven women that were there, they would be like, oh my God, how funny was it? And I would say mostly they were looking through their totes. And at no point were less than two people looking through a tote for something. Well, yeah, because we had put it in the other tote. Just comedy legends. Yeah. Rustling through totes. And it was a lot of hand me my tote. And it was like, is this my tote? A lot of matching totes. Yeah, I think we had gotten some totes. Matching totes and puffy coats is how I would describe it. It was, I mean, it was the SNL 50th weekend. It was very cold.
It was. Also, we were all dealing with a lot of temperature. So our bodies, we're of a certain age, we get hot and cold really fast. So it was a lot of putting on coats, taking off coats. It was a lot. And a lot of like, oh my, I'm so hot! And then taking the coat off and then handing it to you to put at the table. Every coat was louder than the next coat. Just when you moved the coat, it was like the sale of a schooner. It was like...
Very hard to hear any conversation due to the rustling. Which is weird because we were shouting at each other. We do shout at each other across the table very loudly. Yeah. Also, Paula within, Paula Pell, within like five seconds, had set up a home office at a third table. You're right. She got a third table because she had to do some rewrites. It was during the show week. Real-time rewrites on SNL 50th. She was immediately had like a laptop and also like a TV monitor hooked up. There's also, when we all go out, there's a ton of food panic. Yeah. When are we going to get our food?
who ordered, what should we order, and we all fall into very specific categories about how fast we should order. There was a lot of talk about what you guys were going to get, and as soon as the server came over, the minute they spoke, everybody forgot everything that had been agreed upon. Yeah. Because it went right back to square one. Yeah, and don't forget, you know, I'm a woman of a certain age, I need like 85 grams of protein a day. So we were just like, how many steaks? We need to get like 40 steaks? They put us in a private room where you could have a wedding. That's how big it was. Yeah, they knew what they were dealing with. And yet, within like 10 minutes, I thought we might need a second room. The sprawl. Well, luckily,
In 10 minutes, we asked you to leave because that was enough time. It was so, it was so much. You did that, putting on and take it off clothes. Sometimes I think of an SNL sketch just at the table that for whatever reason stays with me forever. Do you remember Fred did a sketch once where he was someone at a dinner party who kept taking off and putting on a scarf? Yes, the longest scarf. It was a really long scarf. And he kept being like, oh my God, it's so hot here. And he would take it off. And it was like, he had to like loop it around his head and he had a practical scarf and he'd loop it around his head like 10 times while everybody waited. And then he started telling a story. He's like, oh my God, it gets so chilly. And then just looping.
I think about it all the time. Did it make it on air? No. But I can't. I think about it all the time. Also, Fred, I think Anilda was his, do you remember his stenographer, court stenographer character? Oh, yeah. And it was. It had a name? His court stenographer had a name? I think Anilda. Anilda? I think. I'm not sure. Okay. Type like this. Kind of a little bit like this. It was a lot like that. But also, pause the trial a lot to look through her bag and just would say over and over, I can't find my chapstick. I can't find my chapstick. I would say I don't see a scarf without thinking about the first one or hear somebody say chapstick without thinking about the second. Fred Armisen is like.
And we talk about him all the time on here. Like, he is truly, like, the funniest of the funny people, I think. I'm actually going to see Fred this weekend. Tina and I are going to do a show. I don't know when this will come out. Your people said they were going to review it. If it's good enough. I got to run it by, like, a bunch of lawyers and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got a cry guy. Yeah, you got a guy. He's going to make some cuts. Cry guy's going to make some cuts. He's, like, a super jacked. He's, like, he makes my protein shakes every morning. And he's like, you got to stop crying on these pods, man. How many times do you cry? And you're like, three. Three. Give me the tape.
He's like, we've been working on one, bro. You get one cry a day, bro. And then the worst is he's so mean. And then I just start to tear up. Yeah. And then it's like just awful. And then I will say he's like, I'm sorry. He's really sweet. He's really sweet. He's like, oh my God, I'm the common root of the problem. I'm supposed to be here to solve the problem. I called the cry guy. Yeah. And then he gives me a big hug and like broke my rib. He squeezes all the tears out. Puts him in a cup and drinks it. So can men and women be friends? No. Yeah, they can't. All right. Well, Seth, I love you so much. I love you too. This has been so fun. Thank you for doing it. Let's get our glasses on. I'm going to take this with me because I know what people can do with DNA.
Don't come back here. Surprise! You're a dad. I was like, what? I just cried a little bit. I'm like, we get to pre-born at the airport now with your child that I got from a tissue. Anyway, I love you so much. I love you too. I love you in LA. This was a good hang. Such a good hang. And I can't wait to come back and do your stuff. Although you guys don't really have guests, but. Oh, yes. I thought you meant my talk show. I'm like, yeah, we do. Do you want to guess my brother's middle name? I think people are disappointed that was just the one. Christopher. Goodbye.
Well, that was a great podcast with my old buddy, Seth Meyers, who I love talking about the past with and I love talking about the present with and the future. And, you know, I just wanted to take this minute to plug the stuff that he's doing. And he told me if I didn't do it, he would sue me. So Family Trips, his podcast with his brother, Josh Dylan Meyers. Great, hilarious stories about family trips and what ensues. And then the Lonely Island and Seth Meyers podcast is a great podcast to listen to if you care about the minutia of SNL and how it's made and all the guests that came through. Those guys are the best. And it's so fun listening to them. And I listen to them every week. And check those two things out. And thank you, Seth, for joining us. And thank you for listening. And never know how to end these things. Okay, bye.
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