Sex Demons!

You're listening to the Wisps wasatch in wasatch investigative studies wasatch investigative studies a paranormal science show Which apparently is yet another acronym for a super natural hour of wood. Why are you doing this to me man? All right, it has been a couple weeks welcome back to the with show are we live we are live? I mean pre-recorded we can be live.

Let's do it live. Well do it live. That's what Bill Riley said I am your host Castle with me tonight. I have our other hosts We got Tim beaker formerly known as the slob whisper he threatened He will forever be known as the slob whisper he threatened legal action.

So we've we've we've we've renounced that moniker So to him the not slob whisper a ka beaker what's happening? We have lurch who's in mourning. He's wearing black. He's morning morning Black and yellow like an island.

Yeah, I know you know though. I gotta say and I'm not a sports guy But considering we should know you're not considering we've had the inauguration. It's after the Patriots should win Really? I am gonna pretend like you didn't say that I'll be rooting for the Falcons on the Super Bowl This guy on the show to my left we have D.N.

Hello and silent don Thank you sound on as he not They said wait for the number done Hey, soon we'll have a camera and then people actually be able to see you. I know that you're here Yeah We actually that's one thing that we were working on in fact the only thing that's really holding us back right now Is just we're working out some audio issues, but we're gonna start video recording the podcast as well So not only can you go here on speaker, but we will have it so you can actually watch this record. Thanks So now I gotta get pretty yeah, come on my jammies anymore. I'm still gonna record in my jammies.

I'm not record without pants on I'm gonna start wearing the kilt what would be different. Yeah, yeah, nothing We can like it with a few of times when you actually wear pants lurch Anyway, we've got a new show for you Dan is back this week and we actually asked Dan to pick our topic, but before we do that Let's talk about any recent investigations that we've had I know since we last talked to the end She saw a full body operation. I did it was pretty cool. It's about time.

Way to expand on that Yeah, it was a floating free form vapor separation. I wasn't sure if we were gonna summarize and then go in depth So what's going down? Okay, so my father-in-law passed away early in December. It's all right and fast forward a few weeks from that We went that's so funny stop laughing just have a too much fun with his microphone I'm making fun of castle Can't see what's going on because we haven't the camera yet they tease me because I just my microphone a lot Excuse me.

I'm just adjusting for the quick. Okay. I gotta just oh wait. Gotta move again.

Sorry. Yeah, that's okay So anyway, we went to the house a few weeks later, and we're you know cleaning things out and you know pulling stuff out of closets And we were kind of getting to the end of the day and we went I went downstairs Just for one last little go grab something or I don't remember why but I saw a man walk towards me and Don and all of his brothers were there and I kind of looked up to see who it was and as soon as I looked up the man Disappeared, but I mean I can tell you what it looked like he's all kind of gray, but he had on a button-up shirt and Like khakis. I mean not not soup pants, but not jeans, you know, it's kind of casual dressy pants And then we went there after an investigation. Do you think it could have been Don's dad?

No, no What was interesting is we actually last night we went back to that particular home We had a house cleansing that we did and it was I kind of explained to the team last night And I'm just gonna explain this for the listeners sometimes It's not uncommon to have to go back to a place a few times to clean stuff up things get missed things get overlooked Sometimes someone in the family's screwing around something shouldn't so it's not uncommon We tell our clients that we may be back two or three times before this problem is fully resolved and Provided that there's nothing hinky that they haven't not told us right anyway So this home had something like that going on not hinky, but they were still having issues So we actually took peaches with us because she hadn't been out there before we taken cadence several times and we took peaches out there I told the team I said you know I like going and doing those but because of the nature what it is we know it's in the house We don't really screw around with investigating that point But we can literally be in and out of a house within Thirty minutes less than an hour a lot of times if it's just to kind of go back and just figure out what we missed And so the end being wise said you know what yes remember that it's recorded We're in the same city as this we can fix that yeah, I can edit that right out mark the time we'll let it Let's see. I mean four minutes forty nine seconds Anyway, this house dns father-in-law's house is in the same city probably five miles away from where we had been at and so We got this house cleaned up probably within 45 minutes maybe yeah, probably so within 45 minutes We kind of pinpointed the problem fixed it and yes it you know what we've got this team here We've got the evening why don't we go over to where I've seen this will buy the apparition And this is a this is a home. I've actually wanted to investigate for a long time, but you know I didn't want to creep my father-in-law out or you know or anything that's like it's empty There's no one here. It's probably gonna get sold in the next few months.

It's kind of an hour never the sort of a deal So it's kind of fascinating when we got there because we had cadence with this we had brandy and it's not a terribly big house How big would you say the house is so don't it doesn't swear to you? It's not small is it that big I think just because you guys have all moving boxes and stuff out it made it feel a little bit smaller It's a decent size home, but both cadence and brandy confirmed that there's upwards of 17 plus spirits in this home It was crazy. There was a lot of activity in the home Yeah, and then they both confirmed that the the robotic operation I saw was a type 2 male that was there and it's interesting because today John's daughter had her missionary homecoming and I talked to his niece and her husband who lived in the basement for a little while And I mentioned that there was a type 3 in the bathroom now the type 3 in Brandy said it has nothing to do with anything going on In this home, it's actually something going on in a different home in the neighborhood But it did like to kind of hang out in that bathroom and when I told his niece that there was a type 3 in that bathroom Which she said that often when she would go in there things would happen like she'd be in the bathroom using the facilities and The shower light would go off and on and the shower would turn on and weird little things would happen there cool interesting Those of you that don't know using the facilities means she was pooping. Yeah, thanks.

I was going there That was my next step. That is why you guys need me I just apologized to everybody for the last episode apparently I hear it was just crazy so I said he's got a purple filter He didn't control us very well. Yeah, I took your place with the purple filter instead of your purple I'm a filter and yeah, I failed in my duties It was actually very interesting though in that home That there's not many spirits and part of the reason why there's so many spirits is this community is kind of a retirement community If you will a lot of the homes in this is kind of a is it a private neighborhood done? Yeah, it's a private neighborhood It was built in the 1970s and it was all in the 1970s and it's a retirement until just recently yet It was 55 and over and no kids, you know living there So in other words, there's a lot of people kicking the bucket there in this neighborhood Which is would probably account for the number of spirits that were in our particular home But it's interesting it was an interesting night and I'm actually looking very forward to going through and Looking at audio or somebody having a stroke.

I keep hearing Lertry having a stroke. No, I'm just thinking about how Tim said poop. I want to know how you plan on looking at audio With my ears it's called synesthesia It's magical So an interesting thing is you weren't in I don't think you're in the room with us We were doing a spirit box session and through the spirit box Don has Poor brothers and sister and everyone's name came to the spirit box. Oh, you're in there.

Yeah, I think I can That's not anything paranormal that's castle Did you ball just now? That would be castle having a stroke I was not the first one having a stroke. Thank you I hate all of you. It's the worst.

I made anything all that out. So anyway, so that's what we've kind of been up to since our last show Tonight though, we asked the end pick our topic of what we're gonna talk about and I'm just gonna Again, it's full responsible for this topic. I claim no responsibility I'm the filter too, huh? Yes, which is really odd.

Failing us. No, we were trying to think of topics and I thought, I don't think we've ever talked about this before, so here we go. So here we go. And Tim's going to get on the case.

Incubus and succubus or Incubai and succubai. Well, that's a show in and of itself. Off you go. Hey, I was succubai.

That's kind of what they do though. Wow. My favorite succubus is in Ghostbusters with Dannick, we're dreams of the free floating apparition that, since it's pants and poles and polys and polys and polys. Okay, so here we go.

Before we get into it, we should probably describe or define what this is before we talk about sex demons. Because there might be some people out there that don't know what it is. They'd be sex demons. No, I think my favorite part is last time we talked about the Wendigo and I'm not going to film, sorry.

What did you expect? You want to talk about sex demons and you have me on the show. Something's going to go sideways. Wendigo, succubai.

Go ahead. So last show, I mentioned the term Wendigo and asked what that was and Tim's response was. They ain't real. Imaginary creatures.

There's fictional creatures like Bigfoot. Yes, and initially. Chupacabra. Wendien brought up this particular topic.

That was actually Tim's first response. I don't want to talk about them because they're not real. But Tim, you've had to change a part. Have you not?

Yeah. Did you get attacked by succubus? Did you defend off a whole horde? I offended off a horde of succubai.

I would let the succubai attack me. Yeah, I probably would do it. Incubai. For those that don't know, succubus or the women, Incubus or the men.

So actually, I was thinking about something that we heard at the super-seeker location. Super-seeker. Thank you. By the way, shout out to the new show.

So big, they give us a shout out using the super- Oh man. Dude, I want to be on that show because that's what I do. I watch bad films and I criticize them. They're talking about greats, guys, and new music.

Which is a great show too. Anyway, back on track. We'll get back to so big here in the show. So yeah, straight up said, they're not real.

And then I remembered the rapey T3 at our super-seeker location where there was the caretakers. Did you say rapey? I did say rapey. I did say rapey.

The caretakers that were living there at the time apparently were victims of surprise sex from the T3 that resides there. Surprise. Basically, I guess it held one of them down and more or less raped them. And then it proceeded to go to the other person that was laying right next to them and did the same to them.

Wow. Now what's interesting is there's a lot of accounts of people who have hauntings in their homes, of them being sexually assaulted by spirits. It's not terribly common. It's usually in some of the worst hauntings.

There's the Smurl case in West Pissen, Pennsylvania in 1974, where that family, that was an Ed and Lorraine Warren case. And that particular family, there's a book called The Haunting that deals with the Smurl case. It's a fascinating read if anybody's interested in reading about it. But at one point, I can't remember the name of the father in the home, but his wife was basically in psychic sleep.

And what a psychic sleep is. I think we've ever talked about psychic sleep. A lot of times in some of these really bad hauntings, someone can be put under what's called psychic sleep. And for instance, I'm going to pick on Lurch.

If Lurch is under psychic sleep, basically he's essentially a coma for lack of better word. While Lurch is walking maybe being terrorized by something in the room, Lurch is just out. You mentioned that you've had like sleep paralysis where you've woken up and you can't move? Sleep paralysis, that's probably kind of very similar, not quite the same thing but similar.

How is it different? Because you're not awake at all. It's just you're and people around you can't wake you up. Whereas psychic sleep, you're awake, but you're just paralyzed.

That would be sleep paralysis where it's kind of a state of half awake, half asleep. And the jury's out on whether that's just, I mean the scientific community will say that's purely a scientific state of sleep. There's those who there's reasonably of the sleep paralysis maybe a little more nefarious. I've experienced it several times.

In fact, I actually experienced it probably far more in my parents home, which has a great big portal over it than I have anywhere else ever. And it's terrifying for anybody who's ever had sleep paralysis. Basically you are in the state of semi-consciousness, your body's paralyzed. You can kind of see in here what's going on around you and you see dark, scary, creepy things.

A lot of times people will describe it as someone sitting on their chest. How many of you guys have experienced sleep paralysis? I haven't had sleep paralysis, but I have had dreams where there's a, like the room is bright like this room is, but there's a very, very dark black cloud and it's just sinister and creepy. And it's a creepy stream ever, so I don't know how that would.

I want to know if you're molested by an incubus, is that like how Rosemary's baby was conceived? Okay, now here's some stuff I'm going to interrupt right here because I've been waiting for a time to talk about this. Do they like ejaculate ectoplasm or something? I did do research on this and I'm actually excited to talk about it.

Okay, Tim and I are going to have to arm wrestle over airspace here. Let me back up though, let me finish back. No, our topic's more interesting. We're supposed to talk about it.

So the Smurl case, basically, I think her name was Janet if I recall, but Janet was under psychic sleep. She was a sleep and her husband basically got her lack of a term raped by the entity in the home, just completely violated. And if you think about it, sexual assault, even a real sexual assault, like what Tim does to learn on a regular basis, that's- You don't know about these things. It's not assault if you're willing.

Yes, if there's consent involved, it's not assault. That's right. But no, I think we've never sent adults. If anyone's ever known anybody who's been a victim of a sexual assault, that's what I used to do for living is interview these victims.

That's a very traumatic, terrorizing thing. And to be honest with you, it destroys lives because it really screws up your psyche to get violated in such a manner. And I can't think of a worse way for someone to be violated than that right there. So it would easily be a great tool for say a powerful type 3 to use to terrorize somebody.

I mean, you can turn off so many lights, turn on so many showers, slam so many doors, but to actually feel like your personal safety is in jeopardy, then you can be molested, raped, et cetera, the drop of the hat. Get to the size 9 poop shoot. By something you can't see. That has got to be about as traumatic as it gets.

Did her. Yeah, the end of the time we're fighting in there. Let's fight over there. We can't tell when you don't talk.

We can't tell when you don't talk. We're waiting. We started talking. Usually just kind of often jump right in with something else.

So Tim, yours is probably going to be a little bit longer. Let me just throw mine in here really quick. That's what she said. Well, I don't know you guys have any different.

So in a couple of the different things that I researched was that a succubus and an incubus could change. So one would go in and steal sperm and then it would change and then insert sperm and it could be the same thing. I don't know. I mean, I don't think it's impossible, but that kind of- One of the theories on how they reproduce is basically the succubus would go in and seduce a man and steal their semen and then pass it off to the incubus.

From there, some legends say that they would kind of change the DNA of the semen to kind of put their own DNA in there, which doesn't make sense because demons don't really have DNA. But for what they believed at the time, they would alter the DNA and then take that semen and pregnant a woman with it. And that's how they had their babies. That's how they reproduce.

I told a lady that one time after a couple nights of drinking and it's like it was an incubus. It wasn't me. It was the succubus and then it got attacked by the incubus and that's why you're pregnant. So it's the one arm to man.

It can't prove it's me. Well, you know, and ultimately, and I take all this whole paranormal thing and I know that you guys did too, kind of from a very religious perspective. And I actually had a message from somebody who they loved that part of what we talked about the most. But as far as my understanding on the religious aspect of things and spirits and how they work with living beings, I'm more inclined to think of anything along the lines of stealing semen and impregnating people and their own DNA is more along the lines of it went to go.

Fantasyland than actual. Well, see, and that's where I was going to go with that is in reading these and with how I perceive the spiritual world and everything. I thought, you know, that just sounds like a lot of dark age girls, you know, from the 1400s trying to explain to daddy why they're pregnant. Yeah, well, it could also be like a man trying to explain like, you know, a guy could have been cheating on his wife and he's trying to explain.

Well, that's why she's pregnant. It's not because I slept with her. It's because of this, did this and whatnot. Because when this originated, it was like kind of around medieval times and part of it goes back to like a religious aspect where having sexual relations for any reason other than procreation was considered a sin.

And, you know, it could be like I said that, you know, a guy could have been cheating on his wife and you know, he blames it on the succubus. Another thing that they mentioned in there. He's going to say it. He's going to say it.

It was a way that they tried to explain why men had nocturnal emissions. And so proud of you. I was waiting for what he was going to say. I could say.

I chose to go with nocturnal emissions. That's again, it went along the lines with like if you're doing it for any reason other than procreation. So I mean, if you're sleeping and that happens, you're obviously more or less committing a sin. So it wasn't them that did it.

It was the succubus that made them do it. And I'm guessing that was probably even further pushed during the Puritan era where the Puritan, I mean, they were so pious. I'm sure that that was a, you know, which isn't succubai would explain anything on one of those lines. I was actually just talking about this era and not about succubus is nocturnal emissions, but talking about the Puritan area recently.

And yeah, they were really strict, religious and incredibly strict. Yeah, with the Salem witch trials. I mean, it would usually be people that were outcasts in the communities that, you know, were known for entertaining people late into the night and playing forbidden games like, you know, just ridiculous stuff. And it's just a way to get rid of the riffraff out of town.

It wasn't necessarily if they're practicing witchcraft. It was just, I don't like this person. They're a troublemaker. And so let's put them on trial and hang them and burn them and get them out of our hair.

Well, and one thing we need to remember is, you know, sometimes we can say, I think that's just really silly, but you have to think about where they're at. And just as an example, non and I were in Salem just a couple years back. And we went to the witch house, which is the only home in the area of that era that actually had... Witch, witch house?

The witch. This is where the one that followed me home lived. Anywho, it was the only house of one of the judges. And there were some other original homes at the time, but didn't have any history of the witch trials attached to it, you know, direct connection.

So then we go to the house of the seven gables, which wasn't very far away, what, a mile and a half? And we asked, you know, if they had any trouble with the witch trials and they're like, oh, no, this was so far away from everything else that's going on. I'm like, we could have walked here. I think we did walk there.

I think it was also a little different in time, in the time period. Anyway, but to them, you know, two miles away was, you know, just too far away to even bother with. So, you know, you get that mindset of, you know, very, very close communities and very, I mean, literally a mile and everything that's going on with them. And, you know, everybody knows everybody's business.

And so if anything, hinky happens, you know, boom, you gotta... The whole town knows. The whole town knows you gotta cover it up, you know, or else you're gonna be stoned as a witch. Well, and it's such a superstitious area that, yeah, if somebody knocks somebody up, they shouldn't.

It certainly is something that people would jump towards if you start throwing things out there. It was the succubus who knocked up that two-girl down the street. You know, I can imagine that it would be possible, if you can be like touched or poked or scratched or kicked by a demon, then it would be possible for them to violate you, but I don't see any like DNA being transmitted or, yeah, I think that's ridiculous. Now, for something like that, though, I would venture to say that not any Type 3 spirit is gonna be able to do that.

I think you're looking at some of the higher echelon type of spirits, some of the more powerful type 3 spirits. Probably the ones that have names. And it's interesting if you think about it. And I'm gonna kind of wander over the religious line here for just a minute, but God is a creator.

God creates. And mankind, you and me, everybody else, we have been given the power to create here on Earth. You know, I have children, Tim doesn't all tend to have children. That you know cells.

Poor people. I have children. But humans can create just like God can, and Type 3 can't create. And so what better power for them to try and abuse or be focused on than disrupting that creative power?

To me, it's a mockery. Exactly. And so it's kind of interesting that that's kind of the focus. Now, I know, and I know we talk about family tree line.

People are gonna be like rolling their eyes. Oh, no, family tree. But Brandy or Peaches is told us on numerous occasions that Lucy, they're in the basement, is obsessed with sex. That's all she talks about.

It's all she is focused on. And it's one of those things that that Type 3 spirit cannot participate in. They can't enjoy it. They can't do it.

They can't benefit from it in any way, shape or form. And the interesting thing is that she projects herself as like what? A 12-year-old girl in a white dress with black eyes, you know, no eyes? Right.

So there's gonna be an awkward pause right there, because it's an important phone call came in. So if the podcast has got an awkward pause, I'm blaming Tim. It's Tim's fault that I got an important pause. It was Gary that was in the middle of talking, and then he lost a string of thought.

Yeah. Castle. No, fine. Anyway, so again, back to the succubus Ninkibus.

That, I think, is kind of, I think they exist. I don't think they're fictional other than the examples we've given. I think they're just Type 3s that are incredibly powerful. Now, if you go really deep into the lore, there's those who theorize, and this, in my opinion, is way off the words, and I really haven't seen any basis for it other than fantasy for lack of a better term.

Those that claim there was a, that Adam had a wife prior to Eve named Lilith, and that she was the first, and that she basically was kind of like the first feminist hung out in the middle finger and walked out and became the first succubus. That particular line of lore gets even more obscure where it talks about archangels procreating with Lilith, and I just, to me, that stuff is the realm of fantasy. I mean, unless you can show me some kind of source that's credible, and I don't think you can because it's really kind of contradictory to any biblical source, which I would accept far before I'd accept any apocryphal source. Now, there was an interesting message we got.

I don't know if it was an email, a message that we got from one of our listeners, no, not the email. I see you shaking your head. We'll talk about that email just a moment, but someone had messaged us through Facebook saying that he deals with people. He's kind of like a, what is it, a life counselor?

I like that. A life coach? Life coach? I don't know if that's exactly what he does, but he was saying he deals with a client, and the client is dealing with some issues about how he thinks he might have been romantically engaged with a woman in the premortal existence, but he chose the path to come to Earth, and she chose the path of Lucifer, so she has no body here.

Do you remember reading that at all on Facebook? I vaguely recall that. I wish I don't have my phone, so I can't pull it up. It was actually a very fascinating message.

It was. It was really cool. The idea, the concept about that, that you might have been romantically involved with some of the premortal lives. If I recall it was one of our listeners, they knew somebody.

I wanted to watch it. I can see his profile picture in my mind's eye. He's got a bald head, and he's got a Harry Potter robot. I'm laughing because he's probably watching this.

I'm not going to be floating on. But I thought there was an interesting concept. Maybe you could have fallen in love in the premortal life before you came to Earth, because the war in heaven, you chose to go one way and she chose another, and she's following you around through this life bitter and upset. See, I hadn't read that one yet, but there's a gentleman in my ward who has the same...

Sorry, I'm looking at Tim's iPad, his awesome Apple iPad. It's okay, but this is the second time I've heard the story. The other time, I don't know that they were necessarily romantically involved, or you'll feel like they had been, but they had just been really good friends. It was a man in my ward, and he felt like it was another male friend that would hang out with him.

Tim found the message on Facebook. There was actually some questions he asked us, and if we don't have anything else, I want to go off the first question here. His first question was, have you ever heard of anything beyond the Type 3? Yes, Jim.

I don't know if you guys have done any study on Jim. Since you're like a genie, right? Yeah, and there's those who profess and believe that they are older than other entities that have existed. I've even heard some say pre-God, but to me that just seems like a really foreign, strange concept.

Again, my personal opinion, and I'm sure everybody's from my personal opinion by now, is just another type of Type 3. That's what I'm thinking too, is that anything different than a Type 3 would be something that would be higher up in the ranks. Sorry, I was still talking before you interrupting me. I was interrupting you.

No, go ahead. Interrupt me. I was just going to say, we've encountered some Type 3s, but I don't think we've really encountered anything really bad as far as the type. There have been some nasty stuff.

Larry, I think, would be the first name that comes to mind. Larry's the nickname we have for. I think the most ominous Type 3 that we've kind of crossed. I would say Larry's probably one of the darker ones I'm across.

Yeah, but I think that as far as ranking goes, he's still pretty low in the chain command. You're the guy with the military background. You've got generals and commanders, and he's probably just like a sergeant or something. That's kind of been my take on the whole thing.

Really, you've got a third of the host of Heaven. If you have angels and archangels, and even just like a humanity, you've got some of the meekest, most, sorry. There's a bunch of nobodies out there, and there's some pretty cool people out there. I can't imagine it's any different in the spirit world.

So for the host of Heaven is booted out. I imagine somebody like Lucifer is probably pretty freaking powerful. Whereas somebody like Lucy is on a one to pen scale, probably a two and a half, maybe upwards of a three. Larry, maybe a 3.5.

So there are other entities out there that are stronger. I mean, when you talk about things like Amitybill, that's when you're looking at some of your heavy hitters. Shag right the undying. If I remember right, I think I answered on part of that.

Besides the type 1's, 2's, 3's, and kind of 4's that we've talked about a little bit, which would be the more heavy hitters. Again, family tree, but I had a little critter. Demons spawn literally that followed me home in my hat. So are there other things besides a human or a demonic spirit?

I think so. There's demon hamsters. Exactly. Well, if you think about it, I mean a third of the host of Heaven, who's to say that's all...

Dambsters. Get out of it. Oh, what a bunch. If you think about it though, I mean, let's say every living thing has a spirit.

What's to say that? The host of Heaven was all essentially people's spirits. I mean, and so maybe that's what your demon hamster... The Hounds of Hell.

You hear about the Hounds of Hell? And to be honest with you, I think a lot of those different things, leprechauns and stuff, I think they have a basis in high-three spirits. They always have to be like in terms. And we talked about stuff like that in our last episode of Pet Peeps.

Right, but genies, fairies, the gin, leprechauns, I think they probably have a... Fairy's Hay. What the fuck? I think we just offended three people.

You look better in mauve. I'm assuming, I don't know how many. You're probably right. You're probably right.

Three and a half. And a quarter. So did he have any other questions? He did have any other questions.

That's kind of what you were touching on here. So second question was, and he just had the two questions. Are there type three's that have an affinity to specific people? From the LDS perspective, possibly somebody that was known before this life that has tried to attach itself to a person for whatever reason?

I'm going to run with that one because I was headed there anyway. I think that's definitely the case. In fact, there are some individuals, and I know that you guys have experienced these same individuals with me who just seem prone for no particular reason to being a target. And I've personally wondered if those people have a target because of something they did or someone they knew in that pre-earth life.

I'm waiting for you to use the term lo-hing for it. You're going to use it, weren't you? No, I wasn't. You were going to say lo-hing for it.

For instance, well, we went to a family's house last night, and they've got a daughter, and she's in her very early 20s. And it just seems like every time she turns around that something is targeting her. Yeah, she's just a magnet for the bad you do. Yeah, she's just a magnet.

And I think I actually said not the family not last night, but before I said, look, this may be what's going on is she's either did something in that pre-existence where they don't like her or something. Or somebody from that pre-existence who knew her is upset and targeting her. I don't know, but it would seem like a likely explanation given that there's nothing else going on in her life that would explain why she would have all these issues. Since we're talking about pre-mortal existence, I've heard that, and you know, of course this is just grounded in the LDS faith, but I've heard that people that have Down Syndrome were possibly born that way because they helped usher the third of the host of Heaven out of Heaven, and that they have that handicap to prevent them from being tempted.

I've heard that too, but not just Down Syndrome, just any severely handicap as a protection. You know, of course, you know, someone is going to look at that and be like, no, it's all genetics, it's all science, it's all grounded in science, but yeah, I get that too, but this is faith-based. And I don't have any source material for that effort, basically along with the same lines. And so I'm actually curious to one of these times look at that source material.

And to be honest with you, if that's the case, that'd be fantastic. But really, yeah, I think it's quite possible for somebody to have had some kind of acquaintance there that's come back to pardon my expression, haunt them here on Earth. I'm getting left. So I'm actually kind of glad that we're talking about the pre-existence because I asked a cancel question before we started recording, and I'm going to ask again.

And you kind of answered it a little bit. But my question was, in the obvious faith, we believe that in the pre-existence, there was a whole one-third of the host of Heaven that left and followed Lucifer. We believe that in the pre-existence that we pretty much look the way we do now, like our spirits look how our bodies look. So my question is, is that third of the host of Heaven that left and followed Lucifer, obviously at one point in time, they most likely looked like normal people.

So why is it now that when we run across them here on Earth, that they don't look like people, or they have those imperfections, or they look like animals or whatever? Because I kind of was guaranteed, those people in the pre-existence didn't look like rams or bulls or pigs or whatever. If it wasn't already on, I put on my theory hat. And here's my theory on that.

And the most honest answer I can give up front is, I don't know. But if it was to theorize, as we've experienced through investigating, type 3 spirits seem able to manipulate their appearance to an extent. We run across a lot of shapeshifters using my air quotations for us. They never had a physical body that don't have that point of reference.

Well, as you say, like Tim said, kind of the doctrine is, is that we looked like we do, essentially. And I wonder if, because those spirits have not had bodies, and they've got all that knowledge still, that they can manipulate their appearance. And I wonder if, as an insult to God, if you will, an insult to us, they choose specifically not to look like us. They choose to look animalistic to mock us.

That's kind of what I was thinking was that they would, probably in their hatred, want to take on a darker appearance, because they're angry. And they've had so much time to think about that anger and to dwell on it, that they, like you said, mockery to God. I think that's a good phrase. And to twist, in a sense, twist of their appearance both in and out.

Now, doctrinally, type 3 spirit cannot reproduce a perfect human appearance. They can't. Usually a type 3 spirit that tries to appear a human is going to have some kind of flaw, be it Lucy's cavernous eyes, be it a missing hand. There's going to be some kind of flaw involved in a type 3 spirit that is attempting to be human.

Now, whether that's because they don't have that point of reference, I don't know so much as if that's not just something that has been put in place, a rule, if you will, to protect us that we can know what we're doing. That's just what I was going to say, because when we were in the pre-existence, we were all in the same estate as it were. And then when we were able to come down to Earth, those of us that didn't follow Lucifer, I wonder if just coming to the Earth, just being this. They didn't follow the rule, so they don't get to play right, but that makes sense.

So my next question is because you say that might be a way for us to kind of know that what they are. I don't know if it was in the Bible or the Book of Mormon, but was there something else in place about like the shaking of their hand or something like that? Yes, that scripture is actually, this is going to be an interesting episode between talking about church stuff and sex demons. I'm going to defen- Just claim her on this episode.

Definitely a disclaimer. That is actually a section of the Doctrine and Covenants. And let me explain for those, I know we do have listeners who are not LDS, and for them, if we're going deep into LDS doctrine, I apologize, I know this is a part of the question. I apologize, I know this is a part of the question, but there's a lot of tie-ins.

My favorite thing about the LDS faith, without getting too much into religion, is that it does explain a lot of the things that we encounter quite well in fact. In fact, investigating type 3s and spirits, it's kind of like looking at the doctrine of the LDS church from the back door, so to speak. I just went for Tim to jump on that. Back door lovers.

Okay. I can see the look on his face, he was just like, holding it in. That was from Jesse on the pussycats. So let me back up and talk just a little bit about the LDS faith, getting too far into religion.

The LDS faith, they believe in the Bible, just like everybody else does. New Testament, Old Testament, the exact same Bible, the LDS church believes in that Bible. The King James Version, to be exact. The LDS church also says the Book of Mormon, and what they believe the Book of Mormon to be is scripture of another ancient people that was here on the American continent, and they're doing with Christ.

And so they believe it's another set of, it's a companion scripture, it's not a companion scripture. Now during the formation of the LDS church in the early 1800s, the LDS church believes in prophets, and Joseph Smith was a prophet, and basically he recorded revelations he received. And that's what the Doctrine and Covenants is. It's a recording of those revelations that were written down.

And the LDS church also believes that those are scriptures. Now there's a section of the Doctrine and Covenants, and I can't remember the exact section off my head, but basically the instructions on how to know if you're dealing with an angel of God or an evil spirit. And basically what the section reads is that if you encounter a being that says, hey, I'm an angel, you attempt to shake its hand. Now if it's a resurrected being and you put your hand out to shake it, it will shake your hand and you'll feel a hand.

And you can know that that's a resurrected being an angel. Now if you put your hand out and the angel in front of you is not a resurrected being, it's a spirit being, since it's a righteous being, it's not going to deceive you and it won't attempt to shake your hand, because to do so would be deceptive. So it's going to look at you and go, yeah, I can't shake your hand, man, and it's going to deliver its message. Now the demonic spirit, angel of Satan, if you will, if he wants the deceiving of pretend that he's an angel of light and you attempt to shake the hand, well obviously it's not going to be resurrected being because it's not had a body.

But since those type of spirits are deceptive by nature, they will always, every single time, attempt to shake your hand and you won't feel anything because it's going to be a spirit hand. And that is how you can determine whether or not if you get a messenger, heavenly messenger, it's going to be an actual heavenly messenger or a deceiving messenger pretending to be an heavenly messenger. And I wish I knew the exact sexual doctrine coming that's off top of my head to point people towards. But that's kind of the key that you're talking about, Tim there, with a how to discern between a good spirit and an evil spirit.

And if I can just throw the little thing in here to go back just a little bit, we've talked a lot about the pre-existence in the third of the host of heaven. If you're not LDS, most Christian religions believe in fallen angels and it's kind of the same thing. So if you've heard of fallen angels, when we talk about the third of the host of heaven, essentially the same idea. Yeah, we probably really ought to.

In the couple episodes, we've really delved deep into church doctrine things. We may need to have an episode that is just purely... Maybe just have the missionaries on. Hey, we're talking about paranormal, we've got 19-year-olds in here, let's get that on.

We'll just convert y'all and then you'll be on board with us. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Send your hate mail to dnatwish.org. That's why I sent mine.

That's you? You think that Tim from Wist.org is gonna be like... We've changed it to Tim not the slob whisper at Wist.org. Alright, so what other topics are you gonna talk about tonight?

It's been a little while and so... Well, so you still kind of touch up a little bit on the incubus and succubus from the scientific standpoint from what I read. We went far further, didn't we? The medical standpoint.

We're not gonna fall circle. They attributed to kind of like the same lines of people that say they've been abducted by aliens, where it's just a form of sleep paralysis where they hallucinated that something was happening to them as opposed to just being purely the sleep paralysis. Did they get the anal probe? I don't know, maybe.

And then after they got to... You'd like to find out. How come they always abduct white people from the U.S.? Hey!

Why can't I get abducted? Hey! I don't believe in the AIDS. So, I guess so we can go on to a new topic?

Yes, sure. So I kind of want to talk about a little bit about that residential last night. We can talk about Cadence Cleansing day. That was fun.

Okay. No, like Castle said, sometimes we have to go back because we missed a little thing. I just kind of want to bring up a couple things that we noticed last night that we hadn't really noticed before. One of the main hotspots in this home was a mirror in the master bathroom.

And we've gone back to this home three times. And I've been there twice. I went there the first time and last night. And I don't know what they did the second night, but both the times I was there we cleansed the mirror.

And closed. There's a Portland mirror. It took a little Windex, a lot of newspaper. We tried to cleanse the street free.

A little bit of vinegar. But we were standing there and they cleansed it. And you know, Brandy came in and closed the portal in it. And then we got looking at it and we said, you know what, that's a trifold mirror.

And we did the middle section, but we haven't done the outer sections of the mirror. And so they Brandy came back in and they closed those. And then as we were looking in the house, we happened to go back into a different bathroom and there was two mirrors facing each other. And so we had them take down one of the mirrors.

Anyway, just sort of little things like that that I find were interesting. Yeah. I was at that house on all three visits. And I think on the first two visits, we cleaned the center portion of the mirror.

And it was a good call to catch the other two outside wings of that mirror because we missed them. And that's probably part of the reason we kept having to go back is because only technically one of three mirrors got cleaned. Because it was easy to see that as a single mirror when it was in reality, not. That was my idea, my God.

Good job. That's why we have you. Tim, what? Will you get to say something next?

Yeah, we're waiting for you. So no, we, after our team meeting last week, we went to our fellow investigators, Caden's house, one of our mediums. He was having issues at his house. And one of the things I felt was interesting about the investigation is he had like three or four type threes in the house.

He did. And there was one room that I remember Castle and I walked into. And you could feel the positive energy coming out of the room. Like, that was weird.

You could feel the positive energy. Like every room you could kind of pinpoint the T threes and you could kind of feel the negative energy in the house. It was their daughter's room who also, I believe, has some abilities like Caden does. Beat was actually getting the sense it was the daughter kind of was more or less blocking the room, keeping things out of the room.

But after we started removing some of the teeth of the type threes from the home, it was weird because the feeling of that room completely switched to a more negative fill. And that's when I believe Brandy, B and Caden all kind of realized that the entire time that it was a type three in there that was trying to pretend it wasn't a type three. And it was somehow producing a positive vibe in that room. A negative vibe that we normally do.

Yeah, it was kind of masquerading. The interesting thing about that, I'm glad you brought that up to me because I forgot all about that, is me being the politically correct investigator that I am. When we pointed out that the spirit was masquerading as something that was not, I called it a tranny type three. And it was interesting because as soon as I did that.

The Caitlyn Jennings of the spirit world. Yes, as soon as I did that, I could feel a really hard pressure on the back of my neck, kind of like someone's grabbing me. Like giving him the Vulcan neck pinch? Yeah, kind of like on each side of the neck.

You know when you're a kid and you do something bad and like the coach or whatnot comes behind you. Go for your neck. Go for your neck. Or your marches to the principal's office or whatnot.

Like dad. Yes. Anyway, it was just like that and it was hard and I was kind of like going on as kind of a massage my neck one last minute. I feel like that.

And after a minute Brandi just looks at me and goes, you can feel that, huh? I go, yeah. And she goes back there grabbing your neck. I can certainly feel it.

We had B through out the entire night too. Like kept getting pains in her back. And I don't know why I did this but I actually tried to attempt to pull it out. And I know Caitlyn was like, okay, he came and grabbed my shoulders like we can't lose both of you doing this.

Because I don't know exactly what was going on when I was attempting. Because I put my selenite on the spot that it was hurting. And I was just trying to kind of focus my energy and use the selenite to kind of draw it out of her. And I guess in the process I was probably drawing it out of her and into me.

Nice. Because I could definitely feel the change of energy when I was doing that. Well speaking of change of energy, it was interesting because as Brandi pointed out that it was grabbing the back of my neck. She came and started drawing out the negative energy that was using it.

And that felt totally weird. I could feel her drawing the energy out of my neck. And it changed from like a hard, almost hot kind of energy to a really cool kind of soothing energy. And it was a really fascinating experience.

Well it was really fun. I was watching them like using their hands to make it look like they were holding like basically a ball of energy. But there's nothing in their hands. Like every time that Brandi would hand it off to Caden he would walk it down to the front door to walk it out of the house more or less.

My phone. And every time that he came down holding the negative energy or whatever in his hands, his cat like freaked out. Until like he carried the very last one out and then the cat was just like completely mellow the birds chilled out and everything. Well it's interesting because with Caden and Brandi manipulating energy in that way we've had some pretty interesting experiences.

I know that you were with me at Family Tree one night when Caden attempted to cleanse that place. And I know that you could feel some energy that he had trapped doing that same thing. And it's something that's hard to describe here on the podcast that you have to actually see it. But it's interesting because it's almost like he's holding a ball of energy like maybe the size of a basketball that's invisible but you can feel it.

Yeah you can actually feel there's something there. Yeah if you put your hand there you can kind of feel. Well have you ever tried to do it because when I took a psychic class they tried to teach us how to get energy. And I can't get one more than about the size of a marble.

And I can get to where I can feel a little bit. It's kind of cool. Yeah well that's basically what they're doing with removing some of these spirits sometimes. But I mean you're talking about the size of a basketball maybe a little bit bigger depending on the spirit.

But it's kind of interesting I mean you were there last night at the home when we had both Caden and Brandi. And I think one thing that's fascinating that I've talked about this before is watching them work together. And you can tell they're both part of the same conversation that none of the rest of us can hear. Which is kind of interesting.

Well it's kind of like what you were saying last night at the residential is they're both good. They both have, I mean you know Brandi can do something better, Kate can do something better. And to have them together they kind of feel in the whole picture. Yeah.

We had the team meeting. You guys, I didn't tell you guys this but I mentioned it to Castle. After the meeting was over, Kate and said you have a real funky portal in your house. There was a portal in the neighborhood and he says no it's in your house.

And he says it's a multi-layer portal which I have never dealt with before. I said he says I actually have to research this a little bit. I never heard of it until. Right.

And he says there's a good portal but it actually has a filter. And the filter on this portal is actually protecting your home from things that could follow you home. But I said you have to come over again because I want to know more about this. The filter has a filter on her home.

I know. But Pete just confirmed it. She's like yeah they started kind of doing their half. You know we only hear half the conversation sort of thing.

But what did that mean? But I'm interested to find out more about that. So anybody have anything else in touch for tonight? Well I'm interested in researching what's going on behind the back of the lows with all those ravens.

This is a portal. Oh gosh. We might need a text and talk about this. We have crows.

I think I was crows. No. Murder. Oh yeah what's crows.

Before we get too far let me put out my disclaimer on this. We get contacted a lot about a lot of things and we are very respectful of our clients. If you contact us about haunted stuff in your house, right during your house we will contact you. We take all that stuff very seriously.

Very seriously. However, on occasion we get contacted by some folks. Don't do drugs. We get contacted by some folks who are a little less than stable.

But the funny thing is that he left his contact information, a phone number and an email address. But not a name. Ryan Anonymous. He left a phone number which is I googled the area code.

It's a Montana phone number. But he lives on an e-mail drive. Anyway, so normally we wouldn't discuss, if you e-mail's not going to discuss something, but if you e-mail something that's just out and out and out. That's crazy bullshit.

We're going to talk about it. Proceed. No, okay, so should I just summarize the e-mail? Sure.

I wish I had my phone so I could read it directly. I bet Tim could find it. Oh man, it was my wonderful Android product. So anyway, feel free to contact us.

We will not mock you unless you say no like this. No, unless you want us to. But yeah, apparently to paraphrase this kid, it said that he saw thousands, literally thousands. Thousands and capitals.

Crows behind the lows. And the crows behind the lows. That's not an exaggeration. No.

Apparently like a few weeks before they found a missing body and there was a guy named Lowe. Behind the lows. Lowe behind the lows. With the crows.

Lowe was behind the lows. Lowe was actually in the middle. Are you sure that the guy that wrote this wasn't named Edgar Allan Poe? And was the guy that wrote this?

Oh no. Oh no. Well, I mean reporting it to us though is what keeps him from calling the cops, which I think he should have done. Yeah, I get it both ways.

So it doesn't help. You get it both ways. I came out all wrong. I'm just going to point this out and it's going to go all sorts of downhill from here.

Yeah, well. But our topic today was succubus and incubus. Sex Demons. And this was like the cleanest episode we've had in the long time.

I can say it. Do you want me to say it? No, not that. My internal mission is the scientific term for wet dream.

He said it. That's okay. All right. We better end now quickly.

Ghost come. Anyway, I'm not talking about that email yet because I got to be honest with you. They come and they go. I get this email about thousands of crows behind the lows.

And my first thought is because I like to respond to everybody and let them know. But I'm just looking at thinking what the hell am I supposed to do with that? I almost, I shouldn't say this, but I really want to call him. I really want to call him and put him on like speakerphone.

But I'm going to put on bird seed suits and go. Go to the lows and check out the crows. With a K2 in hand. I need a Tesla coil.

I'm getting ripped by crows. I'm getting ripped by crows. She comes later and a bunch of the crows flying in. Now I have to, I have, I have seen on my way to an investigation actually.

I'm murdered of crows sitting in the tree outside of the late-nails mall. And I'll tell you what, man, when you've got that entire tree where it looks like it's full of leaves that are black, but the tree is actually crows. It is kind of eerie. It's kind of creepy.

It's not something that I think requires paranormal. It's not paranormal. Well, I was going to say, and I don't know what we would even begin, I don't know where to start. Now there is a case.

Put down the crown pipe, Ryan. There could have been, it could have been a succubai. Now there is a case, it's a John Zathas case where they had some paranormal stuff going on and there was a crow that was hanging around the entire time. And I wish I had come prepared to talk about this.

Well, and there was another one, the John Zathas one where there was a whole herd of birds that would chase the gals. Yeah, but in this particular one. It's a lot of Alfred Hitchcock movie. No, it was a John Zathas book.

Now if you got like doors opening and closing and thumping in your house and you're going to be like, that won't fly away that have been there for the longest time. Yeah, but if they're, I'm thinking they had a party behind the Lowe's. Yeah, I say, but if they're hanging out behind the Lowe's there, they're, they're, they're not checking to be able to do for you. Anyway, thank you guys.

I'm going to pull up on the potash website. So when you get this go, look at the poll. We will talk about it. Castle on the look of his poll.

Look at Castle's poll. Wow. So yes, we weren't dirty enough. Challenge accepted.

Turn it off quick. I have to go ruin it. Tinset poop. Oh.

Before we call tonight, again, don't forget to check out the other shows on potash. So big is back so bad. It's good. That is basically B Movie Reviews.

I think of it as Mystery Theater 2000 in a sense. Mystery Science Theater. 2003,000. Okay.

Come on. Anyway, there are some new shows coming. I know the wealth standard is coming. I know there's a show called Tech that's coming to wealth standard.

The wealth standard. It's coming to potash. Cool. Tick this coming.

I know that heffee, those remember he is actually working up a show as we speak. So heffee may be back with his own show. No way. Yeah.

Wow. And that show will be about board games, role playing games, a little bit of pop culture, talking about computer game industry. It's going to be a little bit of everything. He'll hit that as on his show.