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EPISODE · Jul 27, 2020 · 28 MIN

Shabbat 143: Toss the Date-Pits behind the Couch

from Talking Talmud · host Yardaena Osband & Anne Gordon

More on moving muktzah. Removing bones and husks from the table - or removing the board of the table altogether. Crumbs and left over pods are less problematic, as they can be eaten by animals, and thereby have a purpose on Shabbat. Also, using a sponge on Shabbat is tricky in that it may entail automatic squeezing, unless it has a strap as a handle. Note the implications for cleaning our own Shabbat tables are not necessarily clear from this. Plus: A barrel that breaks on Shabbat - taking the food from it for the 3 meals for Shabbat, and invite others to take for themselves (reminiscent of examples we've seen before). Also: that which has become wet from one of the "mashkim" then has the capacity to be rendered impure - what about the fruit juice that ekes out of the fruit, or honey squeezing out of its honeycomb... your goal for the fruit makes a difference (are they for juicing or for eating?). Olives and grapes may have a more lenient treatment, but that's a matter of machloket. Now, regarding that juice that ekes out of its own accord is to be explained via a nursing mother's milk that can be expressed intentionally or unintentionally - either way will give that which it comes in contact with the capacity to be rendered impure. R. Akiva recasts the case, based on the logic of a kal vachomer. And the fruit that has been rendered impure has no purpose on Shabbat... Stay tuned for pushback against R. Akiva, tomorrow.

More on moving muktzah. Removing bones and husks from the table - or removing the board of the table altogether. Crumbs and left over pods are less problematic, as they can be eaten by animals, and thereby have a purpose on Shabbat. Also, using a sponge on Shabbat is tricky in that it may entail automatic squeezing, unless it has a strap as a handle. Note the implications for cleaning our own Shabbat tables are not necessarily clear from this. Plus: A barrel that breaks on Shabbat - taking the food from it for the 3 meals for Shabbat, and invite others to take for themselves (reminiscent of examples we've seen before). Also: that which has become wet from one of the "mashkim" then has the capacity to be rendered impure - what about the fruit juice that ekes out of the fruit, or honey squeezing out of its honeycomb... your goal for the fruit makes a difference (are they for juicing or for eating?). Olives and grapes may have a more lenient treatment, but that's a matter of machloket. Now, regarding that juice that ekes out of its own accord is to be explained via a nursing mother's milk that can be expressed intentionally or unintentionally - either way will give that which it comes in contact with the capacity to be rendered impure. R. Akiva recasts the case, based on the logic of a kal vachomer. And the fruit that has been rendered impure has no purpose on Shabbat... Stay tuned for pushback against R. Akiva, tomorrow.

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