Shadow People

In the dead of night as people sleep that is when the spirits creep as the bell tolls three dark things take power We like to call it the supernatural Hey, welcome to the supernatural hour. This is your host Raven. I'm doc. This is Chad.

This is Alma This is Drake So just that was a much better intro we tried one and it was like ten minutes worth of editing the intro So you're welcome that we read it. No, no and Emma will be here in a bit. Yes He's having some difficulties if he's not here in a couple minutes, then he's a no show, but you know how technology can be Yeah It's not unusual for us. No, no, right?

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Have you taken a lens? I have not you need to you need to I know all the advertisements look so good. It's actually every day until you do it just to get rid of shut up Take them to become a good We didn't go to um, but yeah, they're bringing our main topic of shadow people today. So thank you today So shadow people I think I think if you were to talk to anybody in the United States at least and said something about ghosts or that you ghost-hanted I almost can guarantee you that they're gonna say something about shadow people.

I think it's just probably one of the more common phenomenon What do you guys think? I think so yeah, so many people have like talked about it and mentioned it and so it's very like well known And we've all seen multiple shadows in one public and residential so Yeah in a residential. I don't know that it's very rare to not have the client say we see a shadow And just for definition a shadow person is a dark shadowy entity. They don't usually speak They don't engage right usually see them around corners or in little oh look at that you got a paper with a definition I have a list.

Look at you. She's got a list guys. Do you doubt my list? All right Raven What do you got?

So these are just some basics on shadow people. I actually have a couple different lists So very nice and if anybody wants to jump in please jump in actually so Drake and and Velma are Are zooming in today and Drake for just a second there because he's got this really cool kind of then hell sing-ish background And he leaned away you looked very shadow people-ish for just a second there I thought you were doing that on purpose to add ambiance even though I don't know what I can see I was fixing the light in the background. Okay, so you'll be happy to know that Drake is not a shadow people So here's some basics or is he? Are you?

Nothing I know. Okay. So they're generally male They are aware of us and they are aware that we react to them So if we see them and you know startle they're either gonna startle because they know that we saw them or they're gonna laugh You know because they startle this. Typically they're tall Most people say they're about six to seven feet tall that see them often in a cloak hats are not uncommon Which I thought was an interesting way to put it.

They didn't say hats were common. They said they weren't uncommon So I don't know what the difference there is but The interesting thing is they said their appearance has depth unlike a regular shadow that's more two-dimensional These are not necessarily three-dimensional, but they're more than two-dimensional. They do have some depth to them two and a half dimensional Yeah, we'll go with that. They rarely try to communicate They're usually found in bedrooms living spaces and they usually just lurk.

They usually just stare at you Look at you. That's kind of what they do. They just look Physical items don't matter to them. They'll just walk through things where you know people that can see human spirits Have said that they will walk around things even though they're capable of walking through them Just their brain tells them to go around it, but shadow people won't they just barge through things And they said that oftentimes they will take on a demonic shape or demeanor and most people that see them Usually we'll get just a feeling of dread or foreboding, you know, no one sees a shadow person that goes, oh yeah, that might be grandma You know, it's usually there's a shadow in my picture.

It was creeping me out. Right that pitch black entity probably not a grand Well, there is that like concept that conversation of like if people having negative energy or it's negative things Or the home it could attract it or make it kind of get started or something So right and then there's two more things I found the rest of my list They tend to follow people from location to location The author of this particular list said and I agree with this is usually their hostel and by being that shadow They're kind of waiting for that invitation, you know of acknowledgement. Hey, what are you doing? Hey, you know come over here and talk to me You know that said invitation.

So if you do see it sounds like you're describing type our type three's exactly exactly now I was gonna say one of the other things on the descriptions that I've read is often read eyes But sometimes yellow or blue right so even within those basics of a shadow people they have kind of defined four different types The first type is human shaped, you know, it's gonna have a head and arms But one thing I found interesting is they define the difference between ghosts and shadow people They said ghosts are usually white or misty You know kind of a mist usually will have some sort of facial features You might be able to pick out fingers, you know, you might not see the whole body that maybe you'll see a face or fingers Which made sense to me because in my home, we have a little spirit her name's Mabel She's about a ten-year-old girl and we have seen bits and pieces of her at times and we can see clothing You know, she's wearing a white dress We have seen her hair. She's got long hair. It's often in braids. Sometimes it's not I have seen her feet You know, you can see specific things, but in shadow people it's usually just shapes Sometimes it's just a black mass And this one spoke to me because I have a recurring dream where it's just a black mass on the ceiling and it's very creepy and foreboding and it's a bad dream when I wake up And I'm scared to go back to sleep.

So there's black masses Like Chad said, there's more of a demonic look with the red eyes And then there's the other category, which is like hags, aliens, animals, you know, weird shapes like that One of the things that I came across is that shadow people Maybe a manifestation of negative energy. Yes, not necessarily demons But all of those heavy feelings almost embodied or personified in an area or like you said associated with an individual That's why they may not be anchored to a location and maybe associated with a person Right, right and just coming back to the you know the the ghost versus the shadow people I have seen shadow in fact, I have seen both at Benson Grismel So I saw we had actually finished our investigation was a public investigation and I it's a what a hour and a half drive from there at our house And so I was like, you know, I'm in one body before we take a 90-minute drive Because I ran up to the restroom and I'm walking back and I could see there's like a pavilion and beyond the pavilion There's like a circle of cabins and like an old barn and in between the pavilion and the circle of cabins There's just kind of this big open flat field. I saw a mist. It was half human shaped.

I could kind of see a head and kind of see a skirt and Arms were just kind of misty wavy things and it floated probably 15 feet and then this appeared And I was like, I just saw the lady like But then also the Benson Grismel and you've heard me and this wasn't the same year At the same time, but um, I talked about seeing the shadow figure that walked across the mirror And it was definitely very dark. It had a person's gate It just had a completely round head and shoulders and we could not recreate that we tried to recreate that 20 different ways we could not recreate what I saw and but it was dark I mean, there's definitely a difference. So when I read that description, I was like I told you that was there a difference in the field Between the two of them, you remember? Yes When I saw the the ghost the lady and white, I'm like, oh cool And when I saw the other one, there was that cool fact that it was also It was also kind of creepy.

Yeah, I found that to be very interesting. You were talking about like when you're involved I was seeing something about how potentially they could show up in a mirror So I'm wondering how often the scene and stuff compared to like just being in a room So I was I was researching this and I was like, you know, you can invite it or whatever how we were talking and I'm like Uh, I don't want to speak any of this out loud. I don't want to like look in a mirror and see some stuff anywhere giving me the crepes Right. I won't look at a mirror night because it gives me the crepes But see the fact that I saw it in a mirror.

I mean that made us really I mean we would have tried to debunk it Anyway, but because it was in a mirror it kind of added to our levels of debunking it's like, let's try this Let's try this. There's a kind of a busy road that passes. Let's like let's wait for a car to pass Okay, no, that wasn't it. Let's wait for a car to pass the other way.

Nope. That wasn't I mean, you know, yeah, it was It was weird, but one of the things that got me thinking about this You know just the black mass is when you think of type threes, they cannot form a perfect human body There's always going to be something missing. For example, Lucy in the basement of the family tree. She doesn't have eyes We went to a residential drake you were there.

Was it just wasn't it like from the waist up that we saw that type three Anytime I don't have any legs. Yes. Yeah, there was that one. That sounds like the waist up to me Same with we had one that didn't have an arm on its right side.

Yeah, there's a while ago Yeah, there's always something missing and so when you get this idea of there's just feeling of dread or foreboding And then you know they're dark and they just they don't have the facial features or you know The clothing features that you would see on a on the white misty human ghosts It just lends me to believe that they're gonna be more along the type threes It seems to me that they're not really like they don't seem to communicate Right, it's it's usually something you'll see out of the corner of your eye or around a bend or behind something It's not very often you're like hi. I shot a person right you want to talk about life right now or the actual life I guess yeah, if you go online, there's tons of shows where you can see them and there's some that are obvious fakes You're looking at you're like yeah, I could do one that at least not good on my own But the ones that you see and they move on naturally they're unnaturally fast or unnaturally slow and they're usually peeking around a corner Or darting through a window. It seems like people don't notice them a lot of times until they go back through film and say whoa Yes, it's like I had popping out there. There's an arm that moved yeah, and when you're watching these on youtube There's somewhere you're like, why would they be filming that right?

That's the stupidest thing to film and then you go where those setups because it's not there the ones I say that about to talk all the time Why would someone be filming that yes, right? But there but the ones that that really kind of make you go oh, I think that's legit are the ones where That makes sense why they're filming like it's a closed caption TV. Yeah, or closed circuit TV set that's always on Well, we saw one where they were out in a forest and you figured they run a high-curbication and you know filming what they were doing And you saw we saw a shadow figure run behind the girl probably 20 feet behind her from one tree to another tree And it's interesting because the whoever was filming I don't know if there's someone else or she had on a tripod But the the cameraman didn't say anything she didn't say anything but as soon as it darted behind the second tree You could kind of see her look in the direction almost like she felt something or maybe heard something Um, but yeah, usually when you're watching the videos the shadow people are kind of off You know, they don't walk right up to you and shake your hand and wave Well, we're talking about the type three and I'm not sure if type three is also do this in particular But you're saying that like shadow people don't not only feed off of like energy of humans of negativity Negativity but also potentially can feed off of like ghost energies that are already there or they tend to want to be around where it's like other ghosts Tend to be so I'm wondering like, you know, when it holds hospitals and those kind of building and stuff If you're gonna see more shadow people because they're kind of attracted to be able to feed off that energy Oh, I would think so. That sounds like sound logic to me.

I can occur You know any kind of a spirit is going to have some sort of mass and we've mentioned this a time or two because it's made sense Our podcast but there was a study done x amount of years ago where they weighed A person who was dying and then they weighed them again after death and they decided that the spirit of the body had And I don't remember what the measurement was but just a very very small finite. There was a definite mass change mass change You know, I mean they were using super super high tech sensitive I've heard about this, but I don't remember the number. Yeah, I don't either So it was very small whatever whatever increment it was it was like four of these minuscule increments any sort of mass is going to Manifest as a shadow if you think about it. I mean they can speak they've got these little wispy vocal cords I totally believe that they can cast a shadow.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, one of the one of the instruments interesting videos that we watched the other night Again, it looked like a closed circuit tv camera at like a gas station or something like that But you saw and again when I said you think shadow people you think they're kind of inky dark But not always and this might have been a little more ghostly like but I took it more of a shadow person But as it walked past things although it was dark it wasn't black but you could see through it to the shiny things behind it Which was very interesting And I thought yeah, and again, you know, it may have been a ghost rather than a shadow person that was captured but it was one of those that the Filming made sense because it was like surveillance video at a gas station Because too many times we talked about a little bit before you know the idea of oh Why am I filming this? Oh look at there that shadow person you know was seen or that ghost was seen or that whatever it is Is seen and it's like why are you just randomly filming right now? Why are you right?

There's not a doesn't seem to be a good reason I mean it's different if you're up in the woods and you're you know looking at things and something happens Sometimes it was just some don't seem authentic and others do and for me, you know We watched a lot of them and I've watched a lot of them You know just over the years and recently for you know Just the research for this podcast and one of the interesting things is to me Anyway, this is just my opinion the ones that seem legit the movement all seems kind of the same We watched one last night where it looked like Like something was galloping like a person down on their hands and knees and like and that looks like a coworker trying to scare them But they just all have kind of the same the same motion kind of it kind of overly fast you know faster than It should be and they're always kind of darting. I've hard time explaining it Yeah, it's almost like they don't want to be on film or they don't want to be seen They're they're around but as soon as somebody acknowledges them or as soon as they notice that you know somebody discovers them They they hide they move right It's not like we said it's not that like jumping out below kind of thing It's the you know you'll catch a corner of somebody they'll move you're right. It's usually very quick darting motions that I've noticed Yeah, so I think the most recent shadow person I have seen is and to me a shadow person is different than an apparition to me an apparition Looks like a person and I have seen some apparitions But when we were in Virginia City, it was one of our last Because we would go up and investigate and come down and get warm and then we'd go up and investigate and come down and get warm and do some Podcasting and I think it was on one of our our last might have been the last time we were going down But we were all coming down the stairs I turned a corner And I saw a shadow kind of go from the stairs into a room And it was that same motion that you see on the ones on tv that look credible of kind of darting like oh they saw me and they dart And this is the one Drake if you remember the one that uh where you had me walk back up and the walk back down Yeah, because I was like was that was that Drake shadow's on like hey Drake walk back up the stairs and come back down just like he didn't he didn't Like nope that wasn't it So something else about shadow people which I thought was interesting is in Islam or the Middle Eastern countries They call them the Jin and we talked about Jin a little bit In Choctaw, you know in indigenous American Indians they call it the Nalusa Chito And the term shadow people has actually been coined and I don't know Someone might say no it was coined by somebody else but what I found was it was coined by a lady named Heidi Hollis And she says that they have been around since at the beginning of time Which I believe I believe they're going to be a type three demonic entities so yeah, I'm there On that theory. Yeah, it would be strange if there was a point in time where they just started popping up Right, you would expect this to be pretty pervasive amongst cultures and throughout history So when you normally hear them described it's seen out of the periphery And so you could say I'm imagining things right caught something out of the corner of my eye It's nothing but it has said that recently more and more people are seeing them more straight on and less than the periphery They've been emboldened.

I know they're getting more courageous And you know there's always the naysayers and there's always and I'm not saying that anytime you see a shadow person It's a demonic entity there have been times where I've walked into a room and gotten a scare because there's something standing there And it's not working you turn the light on and oh, it's the shirt hanging off You know the shelf that I put it on the mannequin at Benson so you walk in the middle. Yes, it scares crap out of you So and it seems like obviously there's a component of intelligence here, right? This isn't residual. This isn't maybe poltergeist activity This is something with some degree of cognizance Yes, because to me the ones that look legit to me the ones that you see that same Consistent motion is like they're going to see me and they don't want to be safe.

They're aware that you're aware exactly Yes So some people think that they are alien presences Some people think that their frequency of your imagination There was one more thing that people thought that they were and and that could be I mean there there could be That sneaky aliens man, but I in my opinion they're they're supernatural. I think they're more spiritual than your imagination or aliens I saw that some people were thinking like astral out of body experiences So like they're kind of like watching and being a part of it or potential time travelers that found a way to come back and Observe that was the other one was time travel. Yeah Yeah, and then or interdimensional being it being not just like aliens or from like different dimensions kind of leading in and observing or something So they can't and they're darting around because they can't violate the prime director So you don't want to pull a marty McFly and throw off the timeline and back the future You don't know what the prime director is you need to watch Star Trek's direction And if it's time travel, where's the deworian? You know and if it were time travel if it were aliens I could I could see not wanting to be seen But why would you have the feeling of dread and why would you be a black shadow right?

Unless that's what grandfather time does to you. I don't know maybe coming through time You can't bring your closer with you at night. I don't know maybe show up naked Terminator, you know, we've got president for this. Thank you Alright, so I've told you some shadow people stories Have you guys had any shadow people shadow people stories outside?

A couple of episodes I brought up that I was on a church mission And I was in an apartment with four other missionaries or three other missionaries We had what we called the big black thing in the apartment now I never witnessed it myself But it was reported by the other guys that I was with of that here suitcases move around and things and they had come in and seen You know a dark mist as they came in that you know quickly disappeared I haven't seen the actual shadow people myself, but that was one where you know my buddies all You know had seen it and had seen the effects of shadow people and things and I you know, I think that was a real experience Oh, yeah, like I said, I think when you talk to people about hauntings I don't know at least the people that I have talked to 75 percent of the time There's going to be some sort of a shadow person involved You know they've seen a shadow whether friends have seen a shadow or you know head pokes around and I know that when I'm on Residential I mean I feel spirits more than I see them I usually feel them looking around but there have been times when I have seen you know that had pop around and you're like oh Although you did have the head pop around at the house of the seven gables or the witch's house in Salem Yes, and that was but that wasn't a shadow person that was a ghost, correct? That one was a ghost It wasn't a shadow. I mean it was yeah, and then it came home. Describe that one a little bit what happened that people might not remember that Um, so basically a ghost followed this home from Salem She thought I was her mother's accuser her mother had been accused of being a witch and she thought I'm like the accuser So she came home and followed me home and tried to push me downstairs and it was she was creepy But she wasn't a shadow person.

She was a human right and it was a different when I say apparition a different appearance Than a shadow person from this ghost that you saw yes Yes, you didn't think of it as a shadow person when you first saw it no, okay? No, it was a ghost and Jess you don't like the shadow people's No, it gives me the heebie. Geebies of what's in the shadows. I I don't know when I grew up in um an old hospital My room it was a west point my room was in the basement down the hall from the old ward And I had a very specific ritual of how I turned off the lights to go to bed once I was in there I did not call my home So like what's in the shadows?

Okay, so a lot of footprints and stuff I would hear a lot of footsteps down my hall and for my room middle The night so no wait, but your bedroom was in the basement of a building across the hall from a morgue They had split up the old hospital into different sections of people could live in it And we had like two thirds of the basement and the third we didn't have with like this wall and that was the morgue side So my area here like there was like a room that had chicken Fitwire on it that had a big caddy hole that used to be where the nurses will go down there to go to their living quarters down the road And we had like the medicine cabinets when nurse had their stuff in it and there's a lot of like there's so many Crepings that happened, but I would hear footsteps and stuff so no, I don't want to look in the shadows either I had enough experiences. So that is like the creepiest place. I think you could possibly live Yeah, it's like it's like you were living in an apartment in a silent 49 Yeah, my dad told me like we could like say this another time But my dad told me of the staying like a couple years ago that he had seen I was thinking You didn't tell me what all my room was there because I was already creeped out enough I always had music play in my room when I went to bed because I didn't want to hear anything So be doing what I'm doing now is like a big deal. Oh wow.

So Drake, do you have any shadow people stories? Either of your own or friends? Not really. Well that makes it easy.

Okay. I think one of the most interesting shadow People and Drake you were here was the same place where that type three was they didn't have legs But Ethan was there and he could also see a type three kind of in the shape Did he say it was in the shape of a bear was the bear or a buffalo? Yeah, I was a bear. Yeah, and he said it's just sitting there on the floor Just kind of like a bear And we had never really run across that before they usually manifest as some sort of a human And we've run into animal spirits before if you guys remember Castle the house he lived in before the house he lives in now He had a dog spirit And his house it was a bigger dog like a husky or a German shepherd And it would actually knock things off walls with his tail every once in a while And my mom has a cat spirit in her home and we have run into animal spirits But this wasn't an animal spirit.

It was a type three that manifested like a bear So I think if you were to be able to see this type three as a shadow figure you would see it as in that other Other category of you know being a more of an animalistic form than a human form But then again, if you looked at this bear, I don't even think they could form a bear correctly They would probably be an ionocene or an ear missing or a patch of fur gone or something So I think that's interesting So shadow people to me are fascinating I love watching the pictures of them on youtube and because I don't know when you watch a certain amount of them And you've decided which ones are legit when you watch new ones you're like I think that's legit Just because of the way it moves I think it's very telling And then having seen a couple of them in real life going It does seem like most of the ones you'll see like on youtube and stuff are shadow people related to That's how often it's happening Yeah, and with as many as you can find on youtube And like I said almost every residential that we've done and anytime you talk to people You know people are like oh you're a ghost hunter. I saw shadow in my bedroom I mean it's like one of the first things I can't do that It's almost a prerequisite Yeah, it's almost to the point of view. Don't see shadow people and your house is probably something to do And that's not true. I know your house can be haunted without shadow people But you just hear it so often that it's kind of a thing So Jess do you have a stone forest today?

Yeah, actually, um, I was gonna do basically stones of the week So each day the week kind of has its own stone vibe So sunday being like kind of related to the sun They have sunstone and golden topas Monday, it's like moon related to moonstone and pearl Tuesday is a part with mars and so there's ruby and garnet Wednesday being part of mercury is amethyst and tans night Thursday jupiter it's sapphire and emeralds Friday part of Venus emerald and pareto and saturday uh saturday labidrite and turquoise So I mean it might be interesting to see if like maybe people who are in like wearing Those different stones that maybe it will help with your vibes that day to wear the ones of the day of the week So that was kind of fun. Oh this one And I thought it was fun that you had moonstone and pearl Because I am a june cancer horoscope girl and so moon and pearl pearls my birthstone and and moon is like a Do you feel good on Mondays? Not today. Yeah, today is Monday Yeah, never been good vibes today.

Right. I'm podcasting with you guys. So that's a good vibe, right? Oh, yeah, of course.

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I'm excited I don't know I'm gonna put in it. There's gonna be school notes, but it's ghost stories I can push out. Yeah, you can write down a couple that your favorite experience is at a presidential. Maybe it can be my ghost hunting diary.

Yeah, there you go Yeah, and now I'll never see anything interesting ever again. Now you committed to it You're all your favorite, um, you know, read like common visitors because you're like oh this person, you know This one came back and I've never experienced so right okay. Yeah, so Drake when your phone case gets right once you get Okay, because um that would be cool All right, so the junk drawer, um, usually all you know things will pop up when I'm on the internet or Facebook or not find stuff on Pinterest or But this one is a real life story. It happened one day to her not very long ago Yes, like a week ago.

So when I drive out to get my hair done, it's like a 40 minute drive and Where she lives is really quite near the pony express trail that winter as it runs through Yutai County And every time I drive to her house off to the side of the road on the north side of the road There's this pit and the pit has a fence around it and then there's one of those historical Hey, there's something interesting near markers on it But there's just where it's at there's no place that you can just pull over the side of the road and run over and look at it And so every time I drive past it, I'm like, oh, it's over there because that's how my mind works I'm very curious. I just have to I like a cat I have to explore everything and look what everything is So the last time I went to get my hair done. I ended up with my unicorn brain. I left early so I had time So I had to park like a quarter mile away And then walk which I know that's not very far but it was hot It was rainy a little bit too.

I had my daughter with me. I'm like, hey, we're going on an adventure So we walk over there. There's a light the light we stood there forever. I thought I was gonna die and become a ghost myself We finally got across the street walked over so we're walking to this pit.

There's all these little holes in my daughter's like, what are these holes? I'm like, oh, that's where tarantulas live and she was like, I am out She's 11 And I was like, I'm not far behind you girl But I but my desire to find out what this fenced up hole was was too great So I walk around I get there and I thought it was gonna be really deep like this is an old mind And you know people have died down here and if you look down you can see magma So it's a little disappointed that it was kind of shallow more shallower than I imagined and I was kind of like, oh, this is a very exciting I just a little divot. So I went over and I read the plaque And apparently within the area, it's the remnants of what is believed to be a well at joe's dugout pony express site Um, and it was kind of overseen by this fellow named joe's of a dortern And there's a story that we find it really quick here So according to the story that ties into porta roppo. Yes So you know about this and you didn't tell me I kind of know where he is.

I'm just I'm just messing with you. Yeah, so um, it said chief black cot he was a friend of joe dortern And he showed up late one night at joe's dugout because he'd been grazed by a bullet in his abdomen And so mr. Dorton sewed up the wound and she flocked and told chief black cock he could stay in the dugout for the night In the morning chief black cock was gone, but some months later he returned with a very large lake trap to say thank you for saving his life Which I thought that was kind of cool. So I'm reading that and I thought okay, it's it's a well, you know, okay And then um, there's like a picture, you know, it's a well, you know 100 years ago.

I was like, okay, that's cool I was a little disappointed because I was hoping for some more nefarious, I don't know Just a well So then I got to the last part and right, this is what you're talking about or in porta roppo And we have actually done a podcast on porta roppo It's actually one of the most highly I think the second or third highest rated of our youtube Postence. Yeah, people love it. I mean he did like murder a bunch of people so He did this like a modern day samsung. He was told not to cut his hair.

It is one of my favorite episodes. We did too. Yeah, it's a good one This is where This story becomes junk drawer worthy porta roppo He he restored my faith in creepy out of the way fenced off stuff This made the round the half mile round trip really long stoplight worth it He apparently thought that this area was haunted and he didn't like to come to this area where this well was very often Where is this well again? Did you say it's on the way out to sartovis ring?

Okay? It's like a new past sartovis ring. Isn't it? Goin out towards eagle mountain.

Yeah towards eagle mountain. Yeah, so there's like a there's a grade school on one side and then it's over on the other side Just trying to think what area of porta roppo thought was haunted so fascinating He thought it was haunted and he didn't like going there, but according to people he Buried people in this well So you kind of got the satisfaction you were looking for so he added to the haunted experience because like it's haunted Here and you can have friends extra ghosts I gotta go back in a mess deed Yep, so do you want to hear the story about porta roppo that's on this plaque? Yeah, that's interesting That says carl melor lee high historian was referenced by edward carter on july 9th 1996 in the desert news which is the local newspaper as having said that oran porter rockwell the positive the bodies of several outlaws He killed in jose of dortons well rockwell felt that the area around jose dug out was haunted and didn't like being in the area Well part of the reason it's haunted is because it can't be dead people there So it's partly his own fault. It's a well too.

I know I was thinking And people drink from that well you're drinking you So as according to the article some even say that one day porta rockwell received word that an outlaw was coming from cedar fort towards jose dugout and cedar fort Is where we're going on june third so this little pass your phone down boy camped Lloyd in that area Arriving at jose of dortons rockhouse in the dugout rockwell knocked on the door Which was opened by the outlaw who pulled out his pistol and fired directly at rockwell emptying all six chambers a companion of rockwell Said he could see the fire from the exploding gunpowder and to rockwell's chest from one side and exit the other With an empty pistol and rockwell still standing in the outlaw threw down his gun and started running up a nearby hill to get away Porter Rockwell saunter to his buttboard took his rifle fired one shot at the fleeting outlaw and the outlaw dropped in So there is your jump drawer He took six bullets to the chest is that what you're saying? Yes, but he was told if he didn't cut his hair he'd be all right he'd be okay So like superman exactly he's a weak Examson. Yeah, all right. Well stay spooky my hunchy friends.

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