Shane Jones MP, Deputy Leader NZ First - The Nationalist Wave in New Zealand

My guest today is Hon Shane Jones MP, Deputy Leader of New Zealand First. He is also Minister for Oceans and Fisheries in the Christopher Luxon Government. Today we discuss: What New Zealand First is and what it shares in common with other national populist parties across the West. His explanation for why such parties are rising in the polls globally. His story and what motivated him to move from the NZ Labour Party to NZ First Whether NZ First has a realistic chance of one day displacing the National Party and becoming the dominant party on the right in New Zealand And much, much, more