So how are we doing this intro you guys are do adding you're doing that's what I was told I mean I gotta read the lyrics But yeah, like I'm re-insing I was really practicing I practiced it Generate the holler oats this generation's Anita Baker Michael I Did right do you I mean you're in a band right yeah, yeah, why did you talk that? Well more of a spoken word singer That's not true Outside doesn't quite fit that I know how aggressive you wanted me to get what you're as I've seen you perform you're like screaming and kicking and jumping around wait What's up? You don't like my show when I'm not on stage. I'm an introvert.
You know it is podcasting stresses me out You have one I know I have one yeah, you've been on several yeah, this is this right now is a high-stress situation Yeah, my stress you have I stress wait seriously not you don't stress me. No my show stresses you out. No you just said you got your Show I stress me out. Is this show stressing you out?
No, no, are you a bad lie? To the top you don't like my son I love it. I was tired laughing when I was driving over here Played it you guys had the energy of like a pro wrestling tag team. Yeah doing your entrance right there Who's who those brothers?
Bushwhackers. I'm sure you know the person Jason. Yeah, I grew up with it right? You did I'm a bushwhacker.
What does that even mean? I don't know. I'm just riffing. Oh, okay.
Okay. We're they in Australian WWF I mean it's like it's like was the iron shake New Zealand the wrestler Kane Kane where for the longest time he like he like talked through a machine that you realize years later a guy can actually talk so Really from hell no fun fact. Yeah I know Did you know that the other take a like the vacation at the Yeah, I don't really dig the I don't really dig the lot do I do I need to slow down on that one just the first 10 minutes? Oh, yeah, that's right You've already said five.
Do you have a yeah, darn nervous? I'll say darn makes no sense. Let's say darn I Darned not like can we don't it's darn for the first five F bombs that he did he like he'd like talk through a darn machine You realize I love it. I was tight left when I was driving over here darn played it.
I'm not I don't really dig the darn I'm darn long a lot with cone can do it. That's a tight edit. Yeah, we're talking about Turks Yeah, I'll dig any of that kind of you know I want to the water you obviously a huge fan of my show you saw Batman episode right actually I don't even know a podcast that I've actually like watched or listened to ever I mean there was a broken one I probably listen to sure because your friend was on or something no It was a guy that was pretty interesting. He was it's black dude who got like over like 200 some KK K members to like leave the clan And I thought it was a pretty good movie.
He's a darryl Davis. No, that's clan that's a different story But it's got him darryl Davis. Yeah, he's like a there is bottom left the way He's gotten in to do it is just he he just has conversations It just got to know these guys and then I didn't eat them now And then I guess just hearing these dudes like I guess these dudes probably just hearing what they're saying in their ideology And they're probably like yo, this is dumb. Yeah, so then I think that's why they probably And he's a good guy You know he showed him a side of like humanity that they probably never seen before to be on this to be a black guy and to Talk to the clansmen with an open heart shows that you have a lot of love in your heart Oh for sure because it'd be very difficult not to be like, you know what man.
Let me just beat your ass. Yes, right? You know what I changed my mind. Yeah, come outside.
Let me tell you first right exactly Man come on that's what I thought that episode that's probably I mean I've watched another one But that's probably the only one I've actually like well The only reason I brought it up is because Batman was on the show the other day and a friend of mine That's on the show a lot. He was on the series show. He's actually a friend of mine in real life The dingo is a very funny man himself. Yes.
I see the dingo. Yeah I used to see more like fantasy factory. Yeah, yeah He's on the end. He's a rapper.
Nope. No, not at all. All right. I like he kind of runs the celebrity team of monster That's tight like when you see celebrities say it I like energy to it's probably didn't go that did that You sure as everybody to rap album?
No, he cannot rap. He can't read or really speak Put him on our albums to rap and it didn't work out You know, he just started spacking off a bit so that didn't rhyme at all. Yes. I'm sorry dingo for thinking that you rap He's an old terrain.
He's like the he's like the he's like the he's like the definition of a universal language sure I'm saying like universally just he's like a human puppy dog. He's like this generation's crocodile Dundee. It's like that pretty much Because everybody loves crocodile Dundee. No, he is.
I don't know much about it. Do you don't like him? I don't know seems like you don't like him. I just like it seem like that.
I said I didn't know you seem up tight today, man I'm not a wiggle. Yeah, we're great. I love you. I love you.
Okay, well relax, man. I don't relax anyway Oh, you seem tense the way you sung that song was like you didn't like my show. No, I was just trying to really remember the lyrics Oh, right. Yeah, so you could scream it if you need the lyrics.
Yeah, you know I've noticed if I scream it I can know the lyrics and if I talk it I don't also I was going off the way you sing it You couldn't I was singing it my microphone didn't your mark if I was the video I watched I Sing it I scream it and not when I saw it look at you look confused I know what I saw when I saw it. I'm trying to maybe there was a time where you did it different I'm just trying to think I'm that would have been I feel like it's been pretty consistently I'm trying to help you. I want to help. I want to help the black man's alarm Yeah, man your car like Kelly you are asshole try to deflect Just a dude that lies.
Oh, no, I'm sorry. You don't cuz you can go back to stand and I used to be able to don't make sense Yeah, I was black just because you can do it like yeah, but it was like It took me a while like really understand I can't do it no more But I used to be able to like get up there and like I used to be able to dunk a smaller ball Yeah, cuz I I had like just enough of a but you have big hands Yeah, but it was more of the ball size and my oh if I had it but only if I came across the face of it I could dunk it into the corner. Yeah, yeah side of the hoop if I come straight on or get denied every time Yeah, so I was missing about four inches of leap. How'd you find that?
He's doing back looks all the time. We're doing fine that out. I mean that is yeah I said it back to the day. Oh wait you say you can't do it now.
No, not that good. No, but you can still do one I still just not that good. See that's interesting. I'm a lot more way.
I lose weight. Why did you gain weight? Are you thinking? Huh?
No, I'm not vegan Pizza I like carbs. Okay, that's why I'm great. That's why I know yeah, yeah Because guys are the enemy cars are the enemy they are and they try to tell you yeah, like all these fucking things that try to tell you like We're like yeah, you can lose weight and still eat all your favorite foods. I'm like no, I can't oh No, that's if you run marathons, right?
Yeah, right? Yeah, you can swim as much as like an Olympic Swimmer every day all day for like eight hours. Yeah, man You can eat whatever you want Michael Phelps had the craziest diet because it was because of what he was doing in a day Yeah, yeah, I've lost I've lost weight for a fight where I trained somewhere and I was cutting weight to make a certain weight for the fight And I trained at a gym for two hours did a bunch of string conditioning And then I sparred for somebody for like 50 minutes and then we both got on the scale and I'd already made weight for the fight Oh, wow because I was in there for two hours in this guy particular gym He loved to close the the outside and have it get hard in there Yeah, so it's good for conditioning because I remember there was a talk cuz I'm a sweaty guy If I stood in the same spot for more than two seconds my the padding where my weight was making a dent in the padding We'd start to fill up as a puddle in my foot would slip. Yeah, because it was just pouring off me like more than being in a Great sauna it was just showering off me every punch flying everywhere.
How great do you feeling? It's over what do you mean like like like that's gonna be like a great feeling like you went through like you know This hell, you know it with all the doors closing swaying Yeah, it's over you're like I don't know I'll stay the computer put it not straight away because you're still in hell and then being in the gym Still in hell, but once I got out in the cold because it'd be not time and then I'd get the cold on me And then I would have water or electrolytes Mm-hmm and the electrolytes going in me I could feel it going into my stomach and like spreading around in me Yeah, I had nothing left that felt good So I'm gonna wait when you get to drink and eat after cutting weight. There's a euphoric feeling That's what I love cuz like in cheerleading like we were practicing like our gyms were almost similar like kind of like Like warehouse type shit like I take like a warehouse and put all the way to be in there It's not you can't wait, but like I lived in Arizona. I grew up in Arizona Like those those warehouse in the summertime is just like brutal But I always love that feeling like I'm just like we're just kicking our asses You know for you know two three hours or whatever practice and then once once practice was over it's just like well You flush your system out.
Yeah, so I feel like you know whenever you flush your system out Maybe it like whatever you put in next is going to deter how you're gonna feel for this allows But if you put something good in after you flush your system out all you have in you is good Yeah, which as you know because I know you hang out with Toby and eating clean or eating good is a thing there that if you're on The cutting edge of you know, he's running Is this happening are you getting bigger because you're your stand-up career is so much better and you're on the road constantly I noticed that with comics the up late no food. Yeah, you get to the hotel and it's like we only have this and it's like we're on The plane you know I can say that's very now that I think about it. Yeah before I start hitting the road consistently Yeah, I wasn't I wasn't that big, but you know what I should have the discipline stuff like that Also, let me put it to you like this. I needed to know what it was like to feel like what fat is you know I mean this is the biggest I've ever been really yeah, bro.
Oh gee me back in the day like I was darn Right here like that's me at 22 years old Oh my god. What was that about? Oh, yeah, I think I weighed I think I was probably one Dude, one one one and one of you Did you get back to that? Yeah, right?
You can go on you can get it. Standing front flip is the biggest. Yeah, I was a wild man. But there's a part where I have my shirt off.
You'll see you get abs. Yeah, you'll see you coming up right after this. It's gonna be so fun. Yeah, you gotta relax.
That was me every day. That's what you're doing. I'm not that part. The next part is me without shirt.
You'll see right now right there. Right there. So I was just darn. Dude, you know did you a jet?
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I'm thinking of my hands. There was no bad blood or anything like that. It's just, I think there was things. She's in LA?
Yeah, I think there was things of her life that she wanted. She's wanted to fucking do something different for herself and she felt like she wasn't really in a place where she really could like really fucking have a longevity and relationship, so. After four years. Yeah.
And that's what she felt bad about. That she dragged it for four years before she figured that out. Yeah, but I was like, I don't take it like personal. It's like, okay, that's life.
I mean, I bet your body probably took it personal. My body? I'm not saying, I'm not saying, I don't mean that. I mean, to me, sometimes I've understood things in my head and I've done that's what it is.
And then later on, it seems like I still haven't moved on. And that's when I say body. It's like, my soul hasn't figured it out. Oh yeah, yeah.
I mean, I'm saying, okay, it's over. Yeah. And then for some weird reason, I'm still like, I'm still living in this misery. Like, why am I doing that when I know it's over?
So that was me too. You know, like with that, so I was like, hey, you shouldn't do anything if you're like still feeling that. You should like sit down and you gotta let yourself come off of this high. That is really smart.
Yeah. It's very grown up. I'm pretty fucking stoic. You know, I read a lot of stoicism and shit like that.
So that kind of guy's got me. It is? Yeah. Okay.
So that kind of like guided me through that whole process. You're not going to start reading. You read the celics. Yeah, yeah.
So I started reading like a lot. Like the daily stoic, I read like, you know, my anger was like at a level that, you know, because I've gone through like different three different anger management teachers. Are you okay with being on you? You know what's kind of funny?
What? Cats terrify me. And you're just letting him creep out on you? Yeah.
He is white too. Is that by the end? No, I love white people. You are used to white people.
But like cats like usually like it's when they're on me that they terrify me. But if they just say about cats, no, no, no, no. So right now you're terrified. No, I'm pretty stoked to make it.
Listen, one thing I learned about the funny thing, one thing I learned is stoicism is pretty much like it's the way I say it. I'll say the way I say it. But it's like, why would I flinch if nothing's happened? So for the uninitiated, how would you boil down?
What is the school of thought, the school of philosophy that is stoicism? It's all making it about you and no one else. It's all you're bringing everything down to yourself and not anyone else. So like, you know, one of the things is like trying to suffer from imagined thoughts, you know what I mean?
Which is a thing that I like, you know, struggle with. That's like where the anger kicks in. Like get so angry. Yeah, like my anger gets to a point to where like, like I want to hurt somebody.
Yeah. Me too. Like it gets to that point. But like I said, I've gone through three different anger management teachers and, you know, like I've been going to anger management.
I went through anger management. I went from like 15 to like 20 something, you know what I mean? And so I kind of just used a lot of their teachings and kind of like carry that on to today. And actually my ex is the one that told me about stoicism because she was like, this is like kind of who you are.
And then once I started reading like a lot of the shit, I was like, oh, wow, I connected with it so much. You know what I mean? But one of the biggest things is like, yeah, just bringing everything to like making everything about you and not necessarily anyone else and bringing it down to yourself. When you say that you mean like if there's a problem, you guys have a disagreement or somebody has a disagreement, you don't worry about what their side of it is.
You just worry about your side of it. Yeah, I got to worry about my reaction, not their reaction. I can relate to the anger and wanting to hurt people. Oh my gosh.
Like I'm I wouldn't say I'm completely past it, but I don't think I've ever been further away from it in my entire life. There's times I've had like in my head, like good friendships, if we have like a slight disagreement, there's times in my head where I'm like, fuck them, like straight up. And like I visualize the friendship ending off of something that in me, while we haven't even talked about it yet, but I just know it's like like, like I just boiling your own boiling. But you got to realize I grew up very violent.
How do you mean that? I grew up with my stepfather was like abusive and shit. So wait, you were adopted in your stepfather? Was no, no, no, no.
So I was with my biological mom and my stepfather and then I was adopted into a white family after that. OK, so the white family was not abusive. No, the damage was already done. They fucking love Michael Booble and shit.
But the damage was already done. But also here's the thing. I don't. So I guess this is a very similar thing.
It's a plain stoicism. So I grew up with the black white. You did? Yeah, come on, bro.
Let's do that. That's why we fucking get along. So I don't have any fucking hate towards my stepfather at all. So because I learned about him, right?
I learned a lot about him, understood what he went through and the things that happened to him. And so I've kind of just taken that. I understand what happened between him and you know, he and I, but like as far as like what it is today, like, I mean, the dude texts me on my birthday this year. And I can't even realize I'm that man's ever said happy birthday to me.
Why do you think this year and not all the others? I think it's just because I've like grown into a person to where like I've like I'm like, like not that I've ever asked for an apology or needed an apology, but I've kind of just taken upon myself to just be nice to him because you weren't in the past. I just didn't talk to him. I was very stoned because of the things that happened in your child.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. But also I don't want to like I don't want like because you know that the anger you're keeping with yourself. Yeah, exactly. You're punishing yourself for his mistakes.
Exactly. So then once my mom, you know, I just started asking my mom questions. I was like, yo, what was his childhood like? Yeah.
And then I started learning the shit. I was like, oh, and then I realized he didn't get the things that I got, which is the the you know, these books and someone like, you know, someone kind of sticking their hand out to me and like helping me. Right. He didn't get that.
Right. You know what I mean? So it's like, why would I hate to do? You know, when you just kind of born, it's such a boring thing to me now.
Like it's exhausting to just be like, fuck that guy. And they're like, I've had people go, oh man, like fuck that dude. And like I hate him. I go, I don't know.
I don't know. So it's my fucking step that bitch. But you guys are aggressive. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I can't speak on your behalf, but but objectively it looks like it's like this person already took something away from you for a period of time. And you and you can't change that.
Well, they made your life less optimal than it could have been, but that doesn't have to be. You can't eat that doesn't mean you have to let them continue to affect the rest of your life. Well, the thing is, is like, I get what you're saying on that part too. And I agree.
But you know, when I when I after I dissected it at all, when I realized it, I was like, oh, he really didn't take anything from me. You know, like he he may have he may have, uh, it may have seen that way. But when I really think about it, like, I did a lot of dope shit. You know, like, like, no, no, no, no, I never felt like a son.
Right. So like, yeah, like the whole parents thing is like a weird thing to me. But your step parents like a father? Was he like a father to you step down?
Uh, my father adopted father. Sorry. Yeah, of course. I mean, like, and also I reconnected with my biological father.
And how is he? I mean, he's good too. Like I got like all three of them are very active in my life, but it's just like, I just never felt like a son. You know what I mean?
Because I like bounced around so much. Yeah. Like so like the world is like confusing to me. I don't think it's a bad thing, but it's just I think it's tough for you to relate to other people because you don't have the same you have this weird upbringing where you got all these people bouncing you around.
Yeah, for sure. People that grew up with a dad that loved him that was their dad from the get go. Yeah. Don't understand what it's like to be you.
Exactly. And you can feel it. Yeah. Even you guys can't discuss it with each other by using words.
You feel different than the other person. Yeah. Also, it's like, because like we're all like in a good position now. And I'm 37.
So like, so like it's like, I'm 37 years old and it's like trying to feel like a son. It's like, I mean, maybe one day I will. Yeah. But I mean, as of right now, like I've just never really like, I know I've never felt that before.
Yeah. You know, and it's so disrespectful. Like, you know, any of them at all, they're fucking amazing people. Like, I mean, I think the relationship with my stepfather is fucking dope.
Right. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, let's be honest. Like, it is what is what happened is what happened.
Yeah. But also like, I know what happened to you. Right. You know what I mean?
But it's like, I don't know. I just I just come to a point in my life where I've seen it do more damage to myself to fucking feel the other way. Right. And now you're in a position where you know, you got your career and you've got, you mean, the friends that I know that are your friends are some of the greatest people I've ever met in my entire life.
Yeah. Special people really are. You have that in your life. And to spend any time in regret or resentment at your past is a waste of time.
Yeah. When you can look forward now to, I mean, did your, your, uh, a regular at the store? To me, that is like, you know, as a comedian, that is the pinnacle. Yeah.
I know there's things to look through after that. For sure. But it's like, it's a nice thing that, it's a nice thing to carry. You know, like, you've come and you didn't get it handed to you.
You want your, you're also have to get there, you know. But I've always been that way since I was a kid because I've never, so like validation is a weird thing to me. I've never been one because I've never gotten it. I didn't really get it from, you know, my household.
Yeah. So from your validated, does it feel suspicious? Yeah. I'm like, well, you say that.
Yeah. When you, when you, when the company still told you that you, they wanted you to be a regular, did you enjoy that? Put it this way. All my friends, they get so hyped on the shit that I do.
Yeah. And it's not that I don't get hyped and it's not that I don't appreciate it. I just don't show the level of excitement that they do. I'm never like shown that whenever I've gotten something, I've never been like, yo, yeah, I got this.
You know, I don't think that is. You don't trust it. You can take it away. No, I just because I've kind of carried like when I started skateboarding as a kid, like, you know, yeah, I skated with people, but it was just it felt so cool to me because it was my own thing.
I didn't, I didn't need anybody for it. And all I had to do was just go out and do it like freely. Yeah. Like that was like, yeah.
So a lot of times I'd be skating by myself. I would skate with friends and shit, but a lot of times it was just me. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Yeah. Like playing, like learning to play guitar. Like I had some friends help me and shit like that, but then like that and then in getting into the world of like punk rock music, you know, hardcore punk and all that shit. Like that was just like all me and the cheerleading, you know, like I worked my ass off in cheerleading.
Just because I would I would go in. I go listen, I was the first guy at practice. Yep. And I'd be the last one on the lathe.
Yeah. Like that was that guy. Yeah. Because because all these things were just so cool to me and like cheerleading was extreme.
Going to punk rock shows was like extreme to me because we're stage diving and all this shit. And then skateboarding like I just loved that. Like and I didn't see other sports like football like that didn't catch my basketball. It didn't seem like chaotic to me.
It seemed very more structured. Yeah. Right. You see what I'm saying?
Yeah. And like chaotic and almost like unknown worlds, especially like, you know, in the 90s, you know, like I mean, I feel like skateboarding got, you know, was like really rising in the 90s. But like it's even bigger now. But like, you know, being a black kid growing up and skating like back when I was doing it.
Yeah. It was like a different story. Yep. You know what I mean?
Like some kids don't even know like it's like completely different, you know. So, so like being in these worlds and it's almost like like to other people, it was anti. Yeah. Right.
Yeah. Okay. And so for me, I was like, no, this is dope. Yeah.
We can all do this. But you made that decision. Nobody else told you to. Yes.
You did it your way. Everyone. So everyone thinks because they're like, oh, you listen to rock and roll because of your white family. No, that was before I got there.
Yeah. And you're waiting for I got to know your another family, but they don't seem like they're the hardcore punk scene. Nah. Right.
Now they're they're big in the church and shit like that. You already mentioned one of the music genres that they were into. Oh, Michael, when I said Michael, I don't know the dad plays that fucking Christmas special singing. Michael, we play everything.
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Thanks, Miracle Made. It does seem to me a little bit, but you do a lot of these things to stay away from thinking about your life. You dive in with this. Well, at first, yes.
Yes. For a longest time, yes. I would 1000% agree with that. But now you can face it.
You're a man. You're a man. You're a man. And it's made me excel at those things even more.
Right. Because when you first dove in, it wasn't on purpose, but you realize to be good at something, you have to dive completely in. Yeah. So now you use that angle when it comes to everything that you apply.
Yeah. And also, I've always, you know, I've got friends. I've always felt like a lone wolf, right? But I don't think of that as like a loser or it's like, no, I don't think of it as lame.
It's not what it is. But I know like, I don't do well in group formats. Yeah. Like, I think everybody should just solely be able to think for themselves, no matter what the fuck they want to believe.
Yeah. Like, I don't think because you're part of this sector that you have to think like this. Right. I don't, you know, like, like in the punk and hardcore world, yeah, there's some ways where you have to think like this.
And I don't necessarily agree with like everything that in a group, I feel like there's something from everything I can take from. Yeah. Because I feel like if you can't take from everything, then what the fuck are you really learning? Yeah.
You kind of cap yourself up. Yeah. You gave yourself a ceiling when you can't look at everything and try to understand everything and read some shit that you don't necessarily agree with. I mean, and so I'm not like reading it to like agree with it.
It's just like, why do you have that thought? I question everything. Yeah. I question everybody.
Yeah. I question everybody. You know, do you have anybody in comedy that you have looked up to that has been an influence in your career of comedy? Um, I really love guys like I love Daniel Tosh.
I love Bernie Mac. I love Eddie Murphy a lot. Eddie Murphy is probably number one. I love Bill Burr.
I love Patrisse O'Neal. Yeah. Um, who else do I love? There's a lot of probably, but if I had to pick number one, it's probably Eddie Murphy.
It's funny. 1,000% Eddie Murphy. I admit Patrisse back in the Opie and Anthony day. Oh, yeah.
And now that I'm a comedian and watching old videos of stuff that he's done, I didn't realize who I was talking to. Yeah. I mean, like I was like, what's up with this guy on the show? Like I didn't care about half the people in the room.
Yeah. Little did I know that there was probably a few times I was standing in the room with greatness and he had a skill set that I don't think I've seen any comedian today be able to do. Great. You know, he's a monster.
Yeah. Because yeah, you have to know yourself so well to be able to talk the way that he talked yet. And I have yet to see a comedian. There's a lot of people that are probably be like, you know, oh, you're like, and a lot of things, a lot of times people are like, oh, you know, he just said the craziest shit.
No, there is there a substance behind the shit. He was saying, yeah, strong substance. And he made it so difficult to be so competitive. Like with the shit he's saying.
Yeah. With the shit he was saying. He had to joke about harassment day at work. Yeah.
He said, I should be able to just harass. You know, he would just say these things. To argue that. It was it was so funny.
And make it sense to know it's brilliant. You know, but he had this analogy where it was like, if you had a bear and you had a salmon with honey on it, you know, and you just like, you know, the sandwich just walking by the bear every day going, hi bear and the bear, all the bear could do is going, oh, you know, like, he had this like these funny analogies to a lot of what he was saying. I was just so pure and so authentic that I don't know. Yeah, he's a dope one.
And I'm like, Eddie, for me, Eddie was somebody like when I watched when I watched him do delirious, when I watched, sorry, yeah, Eddie Murphy delirious is first special. He's only 22 years old and sold out theater in DC. And this guy does a scene of a barbecue at his at his parents' house. And he plays so many different characters on stage where you no longer see Eddie Murphy, which is almost like that.
That to me is I have yet to see anyone do that again. Like, and then when he goes to that nutty professor and he plays, he plays the whole. It makes sense that he plays the whole family at the dinner table because he could already do it when he was 22. Exactly.
That is like, that's powerful for me. So I love stuff like that. That's like who I. When you were like, who do I like?
I thought you were. Now that question made sense. I'm sorry. Because that's how I get with influence is I like them.
Yeah. You know, like I become all struck by them. Yeah. Like in MMA, anybody in comedy where like I've said it before, like even if they're younger than me, I still now feel 12 when they're like 35.
Yeah. That's nowhere near what the age for her thing is. It's just to me. I go, oh my God.
You know, like the first time I ever met Tim Dillon, I remember like, yeah, I said, hey, man, that was pretty good. And I said, thanks Tim Dillon. Yeah. He said, it's fine.
Yeah. Because I couldn't. I was like, because that's who that really is. I mean, that's the wild thing about being up at the comedy stores.
Like one day, yeah, Tim Dillon was bringing me up and I'm like, this is crazy. Right. Yeah. Like, Ari Shafir brought me up and I'm like, what the fuck is going on?
You know, these certain people that are Neil Brennan, you know, which is funny when Neil Brennan brings me up. Because of the shapel show and stuff like that. Because he created the shapel show and stuff. And I remember the first time he had to bring me up, he goes, they're going to be so excited and so disappointed at the same time.
Yeah. He goes, yeah, yeah, yeah. He goes, I'm so excited to bring you up. He can't blame him for that.
But it was just so funny. And the fact that I had that moment with Neil was like, it was just fun. It was just like, yeah, that kind of stuff gets me like a little butterfly inside. You know, so now that you're on the road and things are looking pretty good, hopefully financially it's getting better.
Not, yeah, you're not making money in comedy until you make it money. I don't know what that made at all. I mean, it takes a while to make some like money money. Okay.
But are you doing well on the road? Like do people come from all around America? Man, it's tough. You know, I ain't going live, right?
There's certain markets. I don't do good in every market yet. What are the different, what are the markets that you do well in? And what are the ones you do bad in?
Oh, man. Where did I do really bad? Start off with the bad. Little Kentucky, man.
There was, I mean, this is funny. I went to Louisville, Kentucky. And I remember I was, my flight got delayed, so I didn't get there until the show started. Right.
So I landed, I landed right when the show started. But luckily, the venue wasn't too far from the airport. Okay. So you had other comics that were doing stuff before you.
So I just told them I said, hey, let the openers do a little longer time. Okay. Right. And I get there and I'm in like my sweatpants, all this stuff hit.
And I pull up to the venue and the GM comes out to get me and he goes, I go, oh, we walk up to the venue. And I kind of like softly, I could see inside, but not all the way. The door was kind of like slightly open or like partially whatever. And I'm like, uh, the show started out and he goes, now we're just gonna wait for you.
I was like, oh, cool. I said, is there people in there? And he goes, oh, yeah. I go, how many?
He goes 12. Wow. How big is the venue? Like how many?
I said, I'm gonna say it's like 16. Right. I get, man, I got to that man. And what was so funny is to get to the green room.
I had to walk through the crowd. Because that's the only way to like the green room is like on the other side of like the door. And you have to walk through from the main door. You have to walk through the crowd and I walk into the, through the crowd.
And this guy goes, you're like to your own show. And I go, yeah, everyone is. We're all like, no one's here. Everyone's like, and then I told myself, I said, man, I'm doing 45 minutes.
Yeah. I was like, I'm doing that. I was like, I will get off at that 45 minute mark, but I ended up doing like 58, 58 minutes. Cause I was just, I think I was just rolling in it and just kind of just like, yeah, fuck it.
Why not? Yeah. I was like, these 12 people, then the 12 people were having fun. And I was like, man, we, we got another night next night.
Yeah. 15. Hey, we got to be well. Pro, see?
Come on. Progress. 15 people. Again, I told myself, you're doing 45 minutes.
And again, just going up there and just rolling. Did 58. Yeah. I mean, comedy, man.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. You have to really love it to like stay on stage like that. And in the way those 15 and 12 people rocked with the show was like, I was like, I couldn't ask for a better, better outcome of it.
You know, you got to take those L's, man. But yeah, I don't, I don't sell out every show. Like, I mean, I sold out shows in Chicago. That's gonna be really, really, really good.
Sell out shows in Chicago, must have a separate minute. Yeah. It feels good. You know, I mean, there's people that do show up.
But yeah, yeah, there's sometimes where I'm like, man, I'll give you that. I go say people out there and they go, yeah, there's people like, but they never tell me. You know what I mean? I'm like, tell me how many.
Yeah. But yeah, not every market, man. It's tough. It's really fucking tough.
But you're aware of that though, right? Yeah. But I also know that every comic that is like before me and it's doing really well has been in the same position. I was going to say, because I'm way new with the new, but I'm already pretty familiar with, you know, there's people that are really good that don't sell out.
It doesn't mean you're not really good. Yeah. It just means you get you haven't hit the fucking nation or whatever. It's a weird thing.
Comedy's a weird thing. Everyone's aware of it. And I guess these days because of, you know, the culture and some people demonize a few comedians here and there that everybody's aware of comedians, but not everybody wants to go to a comedy show. It's a rare person that goes.
They really have to like you to buy it. And when they go, somebody was just explaining to me on the weekend about this. It's like when they go, it's not, you know, they go, they go because they love to see all the comedians. They got to hold of this one person and they want to go see that person show.
That doesn't mean that they like that one person that they can't wait to see Jim Jeffries or whoever it is who is also a legitimate, you're huge comedian, but they just like this one person because TikTok or a friend or it's not like they're like skateboarders. People love to see Tony Hawk, they'll see Chad Moskitt, they'll see. No, I just like, whoa, because it's the whole community and we love skateboarding. We love everybody that's in skateboarding with comedy.
It's like somebody might just like one guy or one go. And that's it. Yeah. Yeah.
It's fun. To be able to figure out how to get people and it just makes you like fight to be the best that you can be. I love that kind of grit. Yeah.
That's like my favorite shit. I don't think I love about comedies. You can't, you know, like comedy will let you know how good you are. Yeah.
You know, I can kind of let you know by the opportunities you get. And I say like, you know, like if you're in your own like your hometown or whatever, wherever you wherever you're based out of, yeah, yeah, it will let you know how good you are and stuff like that and it will let you know if you're getting better. You know, so the road is, the roads are just a little bit different because you're, you're trying to reach people outside of where you're based out of. I get it.
But I think there's a that's what makes it fun. I mean, it's like what fighting, fighting, you can't go around like you, you have to be good. You can't you can't skip steps. I'm glad you brought up fighting because I think that's a perfect analogy.
It's like to me, do I want to do a fight in front of a sold out crowd and lose? Or would I want to do a fight in front of 50 people where I went? I'd run. I want to win.
Yeah. So to me, and this is only recent because of my, my program and my, my constant work on my mental health. I've always been a show pony. I've always wanted to be special, feel special, have a bunch of fake friends and money.
And yeah, like you're a star. I don't care if you hate me as long as I'm a star. Like that's what I was traded for the world. Now that I'm older and I've gone through it all to me, I want to be good at it.