She saw a UFO at BYU and a Ghost at Disneyland

Mal’s roommate Candice is the kind of person you kind of just believe, even when she’s telling you about seeing literal ghosts and UFOs. Which makes her the perfect guest on this week’s episode of Gods, Ghosts & UFOs, the podcast about all the things they said weren’t real. Highlights: Candice Gutierrez, Mal’s roommate and longtime friend An amber orb sighting near BYU, around 2010–2011, the night before finals Other witnesses Strange, impossible, perspective-breaking movement Trying to explain it to other people The Phoenix Lights connection Working on the show Ancient Aliens, who told her to self-publish a book if she wanted to get on the show Similarities to Brown Mountain Lights in North Carolina Real UFOs always get weird “Welcome to adulthood. Here are aliens.” Tom notices the Lotería cards on Candice’s wall, and has a wild story about them Candice’s bonus story: A Disneyland teenage girl ghost Tom invites Emrys to tell her Disneyland story (Space Mountain, hooded figure with black eyes, time dilation, violent visions, eery silence, many witnesses) It was “something wearing a child” Tom reiterates his Disneyland theory And in the open epilogue… GGU origin story Our faith so-called journeys Deconstructing the problem of evil *** SpectreVision Radio is a bespoke podcast network at the intersection between the arts and the uncanny, featuring a tapestry of shows exploring creativity, the esoteric, and the unknown. We’re a community for creators and fans vibrating around common curiosities, shared interests and persistent passions. spectrevisionradio.com linktr.ee/spectrevisionsocial Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices