Shirts vs. Skins

In Episode 68 of the Hollow Bunny Leadership podcast, "Shirts vs Skins," former police chiefs Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir dive into the ultimate trial of leadership: what to do when something goes wrong on your watch and the spotlight lands squarely on you. Rejecting the instinctual urge to protect the ego or retreat into "hollow" silence, they challenge leaders to face public scrutiny with thick skin and unshakeable character. Through a breakdown of their own decision-making frameworks – and a deep dive into an iconic pressroom scene from The American President – Kristen and Sylvia lay down a powerful blueprint for confronting accusations, distinguishing between mere noise and genuine accountability, and avoiding the trap of professional obfuscation. Tune in to learn how true leaders stop managing the damage and start leading the narrative with courage, truth, and decisive action.