You're listening to the Wisps was that's investigative studies of paranormal stuff. Wait, what was that was that investigates? Science of parent was was that's okay. It's awesome super fun time paranormal adventure show seriously Gary you're never allowed to name anything again Hey everybody welcome to another exciting episode of the wish show exciting I don't know I just figured it out Hey, welcome to another show today.
We're gonna talk about saving pennies and stamp collecting. I like I Am your host castle today. We've got a special lineup to my right. We've got lurch howdy and then we've got Tim what's happening?
Hey, K a beaker and we've got some special guests today. We've got and Lee Brothers and Say it now Now aka now you forgot to say you want a little bit of dog. Oh, yeah So why do you call him lurch? Well once upon a time in a galaxy far far away actually used to work in this neighborhood right down the road at a wash On he was a that makes you lurch because you pure people windows.
No, okay? I was a funeral director for ten years. Wow, I guess it's a nickname. They thought was appropriate at the time That it was kind of a high-dives identity when we first started doing the podcast is because we weren't entirely sure when we started this if Having his actual name out there was going to be a issue as far as his job went.
It's we got him fired from yeah Oh, nice. Yeah, it's not more but curiosity that got me into this It's I mean you're you're providing a service for people that are going through a hard time and I really enjoyed what I was doing But I got into a paranormal investigation few years ago and kind of the two intertwined and nice and the name step name step Yeah, well when you have a couple steves on the team to and you're such a confused easily. Yeah, that doesn't help either And you know, that's kind of one of the reasons I went with my nickname castles Just kind of a professional separation for my day job But what this today we've got and Lee Broder and Stephanie Martinez And they are a guest today and we're gonna talk a little bit about what and does here She actually runs a business called purview's hollow. Did I pronounce that right?
What a beta or that? And we're gonna talk a little bit about what she does and is also putting together the Utah Purnumel Expo Which is actually different from Utah Purnumel festival, but we're gonna talk a little bit about that and some of the guests that has lined up She actually has an amazing Line up a guest that will be at this year's Expo So if you're interested in some of the paranormal shows on TV and if you're interested in that kind of thing at all You're gonna want to come to both the Purnumel Expo and you've got a metaphysical expo as well September 16th we have the metaphysical masters Expo and both of them are gonna be totally cool if you like the paranormal metaphysical stuff I mean some of the guests that we have coming at the Utah Purnumel Expo We'll also be at our metaphysical expo so we're gonna be doing investigations as a result with that We're gonna have three of the experts that are coming into town for that They're gonna actually kind of like have a trifecta investigation with all three of them leading different groups through a different parts of your own town Wow, excellent one First off, let's just get down to the nuts and bolts when is the metaphysical the metaphysical Expo is September 16th Okay, and where's I gonna be held out of the sandy South town Expo Center? So September 16th sandy South town Expo Center now if someone wanted to go purchase tickets can they do that yet? Absolutely.
No everything's up and running 100% Okay, and where would they find that where they go to purchase? They could a couple of places you go find us on Facebook if you go to I want to say it's M mag Oh, well, that's terrible. Look up metaphysical masters Expo or they could go to our website Which is metaphysical ascension calm and then the other one is Utah paranormal Expo on Facebook You can find that as well. There's also Utah Purnumel Expo Yes, yeah, I will make sure that we have all the links up there for both yeah events They can also find us on event bright.
So if you just go look for the expos were on event bright I mean, we're literally all over town. There's not too many people that we walk into today that don't say oh, yeah I know I've heard and yeah, so we're out there cool. Okay, so now we've got that out of the way I make that sound like it's a bad thing. No go by your tickets.
We will be there for probably both events I believe and we will we'd like to see everybody definitely want to if they want to get in on the Investigations because obviously, you know, we can't have a 5000 To those ex investigations, so that would be something that you they want to definitely do immediately because some of the places that we're looking at I don't know if you guys are aware of but like it used to be called a Shiloh and Downtown they had some family jump off their building there familiar with that one We've the mom kind of went crazy and pitched all her kids off Yeah, and then we're looking at the what is it? Rio Grande train station investigation there, but we're actually gonna do it This is kind of don't hold me to it 100% But what it's looking like it's gonna be set up is we're gonna do kind of a VIP party at the same time as we're doing some of the investigations So they can mix and mingle with the celebrities themselves, so it's gonna be really fun I'll say the nice thing is is for those who like to investigate, you know what these public type of investigations Those are venues that are new venues I mean everybody's in their uncle's been to Benson Grissmill everybody their uncle's been to fear factory Yep, everybody there and has been to asylum 49. Yep, so these are well even getting into the train the Rio Grande station There they really weren't open for it, but because of the Celebrities ever bringing in they jumped on so now I've asked guys are planning place to keep your guests at the Rio Grande for being shipped by homeless people Well, I think you're in law enforcement so we're gonna look to you for that Bouncer well you guys are big guys you guys gonna be our bouncers here, right? No the Rio Grande.
That's the one in a self-ogdiness I get this mix up all the time. Yeah once they end with him and his beard he's kind of like Samson as long as Tim doesn't Tremise beard he has superhuman strength he does Only been at one investigation with him. He was really comforting This look just talking like that. That's real.
It's real. Who's ever not here? Well, tell us a little bit about your business here And what does it you guys do when how'd you get founded? Tell us all Wow, okay.
Thank you So I've been a professional coach and trainer for two and a half decades and so I guess that's kind of how I got started I kind of went down the same avenue as probably most people in professional world used to be a title and S Professor Morgan's broker financial planner construction However, yeah, I kind of just blended into today where we do you know do professional coaching training energy work Do psychic medium readings, you know, Terrell energy healing whatever you name it we do it So that's kind of a big jump from a mortgage broker type stuff to psychic abilities terrible things like that How did that come about how did that information? Well, so I always tell people one of my earliest childhood memories I was five and my biological father was gonna take me my mother and my brother on the Las Vegas desert and was gonna Kill us and we fled that scene are you kidding? Well, wow? And so that's just a beginning stages, but I kind of have a belief that a lot of times our Gifts are enacted by tragedy or trauma most people that I work with at some point when they awaken to some of those a lot of times It involves one of those components which is tragedy or trauma or those kind of things, but so I've always been gifted You should do a lot of business coaching.
It's not my Zen even though you're good at something doesn't necessarily mean we're supposed to do it, right? Right. I mean you stood here. I loved being a funeral director.
Yeah, I was good at it But the last two or three years I just felt like there wasn't any room for growth after that I had kind of reached the pinnacle and I'm thinking I've got 30 to 40 years of professional Career ahead of me. Yeah, and so I'm a kind of glad things turn out the way they did Yeah, and so I made a decision probably three to four years ago that I'm like never again Since this was my happy spot, you know, and so I'm going where I'm most happy and most I Guess I'm in my Zen where I'm supposed to be, you know I think at some point spirit doesn't give you a choice Well, I've always personally been a firm believer that things kind of happen for a reason As long as we're kind of doing what it's supposed to things will fall into place You don't always see it when it's happening But when you look back on your life you think yeah that that happened at the time for a definite reason And I think about that in my life several times So kind of tell us about the first time you realized that you had these gifts and abilities and what you did to kind of develop them So I would say that I was literally I was young and I have a lot of empathy for people who are experiencing them, especially when they're younger You know, the younger children those kind of things because they're scary You don't know, you know, really was going on with you I was raised in a very religious household And I didn't share that with people because I didn't want to be locked away or told I was kuku for coco puffs, you know And so I pretty much just I guess ask me a question. I'm sorry When was your first experience when you kind of realized you had this gift and then what did you do with it from there? um, I would say My whole adolescence growing up Had various experiences different things that happened But because of being afraid of them or not understanding them I kind of stuffed them for the first portion of my early 20s And things when you are incongruent with who you are at your core, I believe don't go very well And so life wasn't functioning and wasn't going the way that it should have but so in my latter 20s I decided to become more congruent and follow, you know, what spirit was prompting me to do and but I think you have to work at it I'll have people ask me all the time.
I was like, oh, that's so cool. You can do that, you know If I if I could just do that, you know, I'm like, well most people won't work at it Because it is it does take work to keep yourself in tune, you know, it's like whether it's a meditation studying, um, you know All of the different practices that'll help you to enhance and raise your vibrational frequencies and those kind of things But most people won't work at it because I think everybody at some level has a certain Ability to be intuitive those kind of things but and then I also think that there's another side of it where There's gifted does that make sense? I think so. I'd say it's kind of like with with Randy and myself where she was born with it It's there for her.
Yeah, where for me ever since the energy healing that I had done back with Amanda back in April um kind of following her guidance cadence Randy's I worked a little bit with Anne. I've kind of started to open that up a little bit So I'm one of those that kind of actually has to work at it But I mean we've talked about it on some of the other episodes where I've been able to kind of hear their thoughts Like to me, like it sounds like my own voice, but I just kind of know things that's going on with the spirits I've had to work at that. It's not something that's happened overnight. It's not something I was I mean It's possible I was born with it, but it's not something that was meant for me to have Like in my entire life like say peaches or be or or Anne.
It's kind of an awakening. Yeah Well, see and I've always been at the opinion that everybody has got some level of gift of some sort. I don't um nothing True. Okay.
Yeah, everybody's alert Six seven billion minus one very very mild. I don't think that I do but I get impressions every once in a while So well, and that's kind of what I think it is. I mean, you know for myself The one thing I can pick up on is I can usually pick out a cursed object or object attachment that they just kind of stick out to me Um That's about it for me, you know, and I'm not trying to pat myself back. It's anything special It's not like Tim's I've been with Tim and Tim can figure stuff out pretty quick But when it comes objects to have attachments, I just look at the stuff and go hey, that's cool Yeah, I can walk into room like this thing and I just did they just it sticks out like a sore thumb When I see something that's got a negative attachment on object.
Um, but I think everybody has gifts to it. Well, I think you have to open yourself and be more open-minded about a lot of things because a lot of times people think of like the Five players or they think of you know, um, the most common ones. Um, some of the things is I've been working with people over the years I've been kind of blown away at um how gifts come and they aren't just in the normal or the you know, um Uh, Claire Audient, you know, yeah, you said something about the five clairs. What is that?
So you got Claire Audient Claire Santian, uh, you know, uh, clairvoyance. Oh, so they call him the five players. Got you? But um, so most people think that um psychic mediumship or something falls into some of those categories I've had people come in and we discovered what they're true.
I mean because you hear a lot of times it's like empathic, right? I mean, so people think that that's the way it's supposed to come and that's not necessarily the case I've seen some people like that kind of blew me away at how their gifts actually are channeled Um, you know, and it's uh, it's pretty cool. I have a question for you. What's your take on deja vu?
Well, I was a kid. I used to get deja vu all the time and I still do every once in a while, but I'm just curious what what your thoughts are on it I'm gonna say um almost like uh She heard what tell me your thing is again. It's um having a brain fart might Yeah, she dreams. You know like your pre-cognitive pre-cognition and stuff.
So, um kind of how I've I've felt it or How I could explain it would be more than it's like a pre-cognitive thing so that when it actually happened You're recognized. Yeah, yeah, I've had some dreams that have actually come into fruition But uh, I remember as a kid, I mean it'd be like several times a week. Yeah, I would get the feeling of deja vu and I was like Seven eight years you see what I'm saying because it's like people think that because you don't see dead people Or I mean seriously, that's another form of a gift and it's like and so just because it doesn't come in that normal package doesn't mean that they're not gifted Um, you know for I'll give you an example. I remember one night, um, I was in my 20s I went to bed and I woke up and the my ex has been at that time Um, it's like we had this old 69, uh mustang mock one that we were working on right and I woke up and I had a horrible dream that he'd gotten run over And uh when we got up, I told him I was like, you know, I get kind of freaked out because it was so lifelike or real And uh, he's like, oh, it's no big deal So he went downstairs that morning and was working on it and the speed bumps that are in the apartment complexes Well, he opened the the driver's door and was trying to push it up over this bump to get where he could work on it Well, it literally went over this speed bump was one of the bigger ones and it rolled back and the door rolled him under the car Oh my goodness.
Yeah, so I mean, it's like there's a lot of things like that that happened I mean if that may not have been deja vu that may have been a pre-cognitive kind of dream or a warning But uh, I kind of think it's that in that category Now you mentioned it was kind of like a gift. Is it something that you think can be improved by training or is or is Absolutely. How would tell would someone do that? So like if I was working with somebody like yourself, I would tell them um meditation I work a lot with archangels.
Um, I do a lot of sigil work stuff like that That you can tap into and have um, universe or different things help you to be able to enhance that. Um, and so um, there's a lot of um, uh, I guess you'd call them exercises that you can do to enhance your third eye, you know, those kind of things That's really interesting. I would love to get some more information. So let me ask you you mentioned uh like sigil work What what is sigil work?
So, um, some of the easiest ones that people may, um, recognize or be familiar with so like king solomon sigil Um, so you got a greater grimoire the lesser grimoire so king solomon's were very familiar famous for i mean, it's even like the one that i'm wearing today Um, that's a sigil. So, yeah, so they're like, uh, talisman Yeah, yeah, yeah, even talismans and sigils are different though because um talismans became talismans over It's like um, a lot of times. I look at um, people who wear crosses, right? That's more of a talisman's to me versus a sigil that was designed for a specific purpose and I'm not gonna answer your question.
Uh-huh. Now you also mentioned meditation now. I know there's different kinds of meditation Um, explain like if if I was to walk in here and say and help me tap into my gift through meditation Uh, kind of walk me through what you would recommend. I should do if I was over complicate meditation Um, I think in western civilization, we think we have to over complicate everything.
Um, yeah, it's not that complicated I mean, it's like we could sit here and take two minutes and literally go into a meditation so a lot of times even before any Session that I do or reading or different things. Um, I have a particular process where like I basically just clear my mind and invite in When I call my team so we all have a team and a earthly team, right? So like these guys are kind on your team, right? No Different game.
Oh, no, so we all have it so our go to your team, right? It's not like when you're like you're gonna see that person go to your team. It's a different team Okay, it's not like when I'm walking down to like through the costume. I'm like, but she's on my team Yeah, you don't put people on your own team though.
You're breaking the rules People on other people's podcast or we're gonna discuss the rules. I think you got the rules all back Making it up as he goes along. Sorry team. Go ahead.
Yeah, well, but even like your spiritual team, right? So um, as spiritual team to me could be something Like, um, a lot of times people you hear a lot of talk about your spirit guides, right? Okay. Um, so most people will um, will either work with their spirit guys ascended masters archangels, um, and so I've developed over the years a team of people so to me that's meditation Um taking a couple of minutes tuning into them.
Um, you know looking for any information or downloads. Um, I literally work with them In a five minute span. I mean, it's like and then I move on and go forward but um guided meditation Some people respond differently to different types. I mean my preference is I like guided meditation.
Um, you know, I'm not like one that's gonna say I'm like Just go and try to be nettiness. That's not my thing. Sorry. That's right.
Slap in the mic and the punch in the pop slap in the mic. So now meditation Um You say we overcomplicate things. Mm-hmm. If I was said and I've never meditated in my life.
Yep. What am I supposed to do? So the overcomplicated thing is that most people think this like okay, I have to take out all the clutter that is going in my brain I have to lay flat in the prone position. Um, you know, you know, I'm saying empty my mind of nothing That's a good recipe for a knife.
I have to go and fight in quiet places. Yeah, I mean it's like laying down part for me doesn't work because I do fall asleep That's not really meditating. Yeah, I've been sit upright. So I mean, there's obviously I call it a sending so there's different levels That people have been able to attain but meditating so like for you.
We've never meditated I'd say that I probably starts you with a guided meditation. Um, and I would tell you that uh, so I used to work with Tony Robbins But um, he used to drive me crazy because one of the things that he would do is is in his a form of meditation I believe because one of the things he do is he'd have a say and I want you to close your eyes I want you to picture this big white screen and then he start to you know describe like Characters that he put up on the screen. He says then he would go like I want you to speed up really fast Now I want you to put every verse now I want you to make a cartoon like and then all of a sudden I'll be going like oh It's frustrating because I couldn't see anything that didn't just put a giant hand on your head and your elbows come out Yeah, no, no And the problem was is that I'd get frustrated because I wasn't seeing things or even colors or that kind of stuff back in those days But uh one of the things I realized after I got rid of being frustrated was that I felt things okay, um, I was like oh Okay, so it was feeling different things and tuning into your body and what you're actually feeling and the energies that are moving, you know And then um continue to work at it. I'll see everything in life living color today, you know, so um, it's also it's a muscle I mean work at it.
Yeah, maybe you want something badly enough and you worked at it. Most of us can attain it I would agree that and I just it depends on like you said how bad you want it How hard you want to work to achieve it. So I'm gonna say meditating It's just kind of like anything in the paranormal. It's the it's gonna be different for everybody Like where some people are gonna see things in their minds I sort of speak or like in your case where you're more some people might actually feel something So it's the experience you get from meditating from what I take it's gonna be different for person person Well, and the other thing is is that um even with your spiritual gifts or your psychic gifts or those kind of things One of the things I found is that um as you start to work on and enhance those they grow as well So like somebody who may feel things or they may see things or you know All of a sudden they're goes like oh my gosh, I'm smelling things I'm like and they're not there like somebody who smells cigarette smoke and nobody's smoking a cigarette Okay, or things of that nature, right?
Yeah, I'm sorry that actually happened at the last few of my work dad where we had a lady that passed away And we had her service and a couple months later her husband passed away And as I was setting up his casket in the viewing room, I could smell women's perfume and no one had been in there before Exactly. Yeah, and that happens all the time now. I had a feeling that his wife is there She was she was but that's a gift right? So you say you don't have gifts, but it's like I think anyone could have walked in and been like Yeah, I smell like perfume too though.
Oh, you do I do? No, no, okay. No, I'll take your word for it No, because even like it seems so real to me. Well, then we can walk in and kind of That's because it was on that energetic level, but like even our Yeah, no, I don't think that anybody could have just done that okay Well, see and that made me interested to see if I mean we know a couple of blockers Um, and what we refer to some of the blockers on who feels no energy at all I'd be curious if a blocker had been present.
Yeah, if they had experienced what you experienced Well, it's even like in your psychic gifts though So like I always tell people like when somebody's present how they share with me What happened to them is a lot of times that I'll feel it so like for example if I'm doing A psychometry, you know, like so they bring in a picture or an object or something and I had a You know what the end of this guitar was played in a band it was used to make music someone get in the feeling it was music So it's currently in Canada actually does some psychometry and we did it on over early episodes and unfortunately She used to guitar to her detriment. She had to guitar and it just she got That's what her spring to generalizations. Oh, that's okay. I mean, I'm not telling her Someone someone someone drank out of this one-liter bottle That's awesome.
Sorry. No, that's okay No, it just reminded me of a client that had come in and she brought me a picture Didn't know anything about it had an older gentleman and do a young lady's one was about like nine and the other one about 12 age, but The gentleman was sitting in a chair and the other two gals were there and one of the things that spirit showed me was That you felt like you couldn't breathe. I mean in the esophageal area those kind of things And it turned out that he died from esophageal cancer and it was a heavy cigar smoker You know, I mean so you can get information all different kinds of things We've gotten some information that way too where someone said like I'm getting a pain in my chest or something turns out The victim was stabbed in the chest or something like that. I remember a couple experiences like nothing No exact details about that hasn't happened.
Yeah, I just feel their motion On me so I feel the anger or the sadness or I've been on investigations with him and Tim's a big burly guy. He's got a Samson beard going on. Where's going to start? I like that It's a Samson Simpson, but yeah, I'll be on investigation.
I'll see Tim will sound like tear streaming on his face Which is completely totally not him at all seriously Getting get it run from it and it's you know, it's this bird predicting emotions I've also been in situations where Tim was gonna kill somebody I have yeah, I'll probably be on the internet and step outside because I was literally like seconds away from just punching someone out Well, there's your coworkers house where you want to take out cadence? Yes, that one I actually heard voices in my head telling me to beat the shit out of cadence so to speak And I didn't realize at the time because I had my eyes closed but that was just you caden Caden could also kind of sense what was going on so he slowly stepped away for me taking a couple steps back We got when you guys got done giving the blessing caden looks at me. He's like you right there buddy Like yeah, why he's like you have a little conflict going on here there He knew what's going on Yeah, I say but it's interesting the different gifts are out there too. I mean like he said there's the five clairs And there's like psychometry and some other things So in my experience, you know, we work with caden.
We work with bee work with peaches And we've worked with several different mediums and all their gifts work differently Now for you, how does your gift work? Like let's say you're on a ghost investigation and you encounter a spirit How how do you encounter that spirit? I know for instance peaches brandy she can see the spirit just like I can see you I mean, it's just as real as you are to me, you know sitting across from me I know for instance caden more can visualize it and his mind. That's exactly it Yeah, because I think a lot of times people think that when they say I see spirits That's what they're expecting is that they're gonna see it just like I'm looking at you And a lot of times it's more energetic Information that gets delivered.
I mean it's like um And so it's hard thing to really explain. I mean because it's like um if you learn how to read those energies It's like and tell you what color here they were how about how tall they were how much they weigh, you know What kind of clothing they like to wear because I'm like looking at your shirt That would energetically come across through me and I could explain it, but it's not like I'm looking at you Does that make sense? Right. Mm-hmm kind of like teaching a blind person how to describe clouds.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely Describe what an orange tastes like. Yeah Do you want me to taste yummy No Confused again because I happen sometimes yeah, what was the nose picking and the nose picking Light zone out for a second. I don't remember that happening. Yeah, that's when the tears are screaming down So now you mentioned that you guys do live coaching here You know on the sign up there says you guys do energy healings and everything else So tell us How that kind of came about as far as how it became an actual business from some of the you know mundane things You described earlier to how you got into really getting into this kind of stuff and here in Utah I mean, it's a predominantly religious community.
Mm-hmm. How has that been received? I mean, do you guys have a stake clantail? Do you guys get a lot of flack?
Yeah, I I've done a pretty good job of ensuring that I'm protected from any flack. I don't listen to it. Um, but It's kind of funny. I always tell people it's been like probably a decade ago I've always had a while.
I'm a driver huge Ava learner. I mean I read a lot, but I had a got a whim and I wanted to learn different modalities I made about a 25 modality list of everything's all the way from you know, Reiki tuning for You name it acupressure all those kind of things and I wanted to learn them Wanted to master them and I started going down about oh, I probably got about halfway through my list and literally as soon as as sure as you and I are Speaking, I don't know if any of you guys have ever had spirit yell at you. Um, like they probably have I just heard them But they get right up and watch his ear and they're like throwing upset as Randy says they do all the time That's usually the demonic seat I would I would I would literally totally put that shit down because it's like I didn't need to use that And they would teach me what I need to do. So today I've learned to just listen to them and I do what they tell me to do And I just basically tune into that as far as what to do I mean part of the psychic stuff so like even medically intuitive type stuff.
That's one of mine So I always tell people I'm different and everybody likes to say that they're different when you do like Somebody calls me once to do just like a tarot reading or something telling like I can't just do a tarot reading Okay, I was probably 20 25 minutes before I even start touching my cards because the downloaded information that comes in whether it's somebody who Wants to come through, you know, like your grandmother or somebody's there, you know, won't leave me alone. I have to address that If it's maybe it's something that I'm reading in your energetic field It's like, okay, well you feel anxious to me or it's like do you have like stomach issues going on? You got a headache You're like you have to go through all those kind of things and get that stuff out of the way before I can even get into my car readings so On on tarot card readings, you know, there's certain things that we don't do like we won't touch we do boards We don't have anything to do with that. So I'm not completely familiar with tarot cards Can you explain like how a tarot reading is different than say using a weedy board or doing like conducting a seance?
It's a tool and depending on your programming or your belief systems, you know, you were talking about predominant religions and stuff around in our area I've had people who like because of That kind of thing and their programming to even see tarot cards. I think it's of the devil or something and I'm like, dude, it's a tool You know, and I always tell people I really don't need the tarot cards, honestly But people are visual they like to follow along with something and so a lot of times it's a story It is yeah Yeah, and they like to follow along I have a visual aid And I think it helps them to grasp what I'm saying to stay on course and to remember more Using that as a tool, but the other thing another one of the things I like about it is that for me I always tell people I have psychic amnesia and I'm not joking Happens to me a lot, right? And I always tell you your confidence is guaranteed unless I'm working with you on a regular basis, you know I'm like I tell people don't be offended because honestly when I'm in spirit I literally don't remember a lot of stuff because I'm just a channel it has nothing to do with me I do nothing but So when you're in that space though, it also helps me to stay on track sometimes maybe if I'm like I'm like just Going forward and like I'm just telling you what I'm getting and I can refer back to the cars and like oh well Now let's do it and we go off on this this area and I don't lose track So I like it for a tool it's a tool so let me ask um with tarot cards because as Tim mentioned We don't really use that kind of thing so we're kind of I would say we're completely novice in that I think you use pangelums Um, I've seen people use them. I've never personally used one and that actually we direct the question I was kind of getting to well we did use the I mean when we'd use the your pendulum thing to kind of like locate portals Yeah, that's yeah, now here's kind of my question with say the tarot cards and this is coming from place I'm not thinking about cards.
Um, for instance, let's say a pendulum Or a Ouija board or something along that line, you know a plan sheet or pendulum is pointing at a specific letter or number or something along those lines You know, I think cards it's a card. I mean it's just it's shuffled in it's just how does that work? You know whereas a plan sheet would point at a specific letter. Yes, or so how do we get from Spirit of permission from a card design back in like the I think it's like the 1500s one of the first I could be wrong But don't quote me on that as well, but um so Each card represents a certain thing like say for example, okay, we're talking about the devil right so you got the devil card What does that represent and tarot?
Anybody know Nope So a lot of times if you look at the symbolism that's on it it doesn't necessarily mean it's just the devil right it can mean that it's just simply that There's an imbalance in a relationship. It could mean that there's addictions There could be unhealthy Maybe there's like an abusive spouse or something, you know, I mean so so they represent all different things But it's up to the reader and their intuition their own personal gifts. So it's like, you know, for me I probably wouldn't want to go see somebody who isn't gifted because they're just reading at face blank, you know What the cards are and they've learned a system their personal situation because because for me it always Changes depending on what it is, but there is a basis of where you start right and so it's like even in psychic gifts like for example Let's say they give me a number and I see a number two I'm like, okay. Well, I have to fill it out and I say okay Well, so does that mean there's two of something does it mean that okay in two months there's something or does it mean?
There's your birthdays in the second month or you know, so I have to kind of fill it and then it's like energetically It's almost like a slingshot. It'll pull me to the right area that I'm supposed to yeah It means this and then I go further Does that make sense? Uh-huh. So basically there's kind of well I know you use this word tool to help you with your self-help tools because like your pendulums Your dowsing rods your it doesn't matter what people use me it's even like crystals, right?
There are tools and castles even said that your body can oftentimes be your best tool Oh, I'm sorry. Don't let us interrupt your phone call there. Hey, well, I didn't expect I Yeah, I've heard castle say that you know your body is your best tool when you're Well, that's kind of reminded me like with Amanda when she did her her muscle testing testing for her ability like I don't know how she did it But that's how she got her answers and she was really accurate with the information that she was giving us like she gave us Stuff that only brandy and I knew like I never told castle or lurch or anybody on the team about it And she's like oh yeah, there's a nurse at the this investigation so it's what's kind of what her mind And it's interesting because your body is your best tool. I think most people to an extent can feel spirit and feel spirit energy Absolutely.
They just don't recognize what it is they feel Well, why is it that there's some place that you could walk in and you've never been there before and it either has a really good feeling or it really has a Yucky feeling and there's no visible evidence to support why you're feeling that way and it's that energy that you're feeling and again Most people don't recognize it So he's kind of pointed out in fact some spirits when you get into a location You can tell because exactly where the spirit is at based on the feel where that spirit is located at good night again No one ever calls me on a Sunday All of a sudden I've got I'm gonna give her a shout out on the podcast now because she probably won't listen to this but thanks for calling Jen Welch Way to ruin the podcast I just have to laugh because the end is one regular house and it seems like her phone is always going off in the middle Well, usually I put it I put it on silent but yeah, I didn't expect someone to call me into six o'clock at sunday So let me ask you this and there are a lot of different disciplines for like a word in the paranormal flat metaphysical field And it sounds like you've kind of explored a lot if not all of them No, I'm still growing I'm blown away actually I feel so honored and blessed like even this venue of this metaphysical expo is blowing my mind The things that are coming out in that spirit in the universe is bringing is blowing my mind I'm like I thought I knew a lot and I'm an avid student the things that I'm being shown or that are out there Is amazing. I don't even know how to see anything more than that That's really cool So let me ask you this are there any disciplines or schools of thought that you've run across that kind of strike you as bunk That you think there's really not a lot to them or you think they're maybe oversold Is it that my question kind of makes sense reading tea leaves, maybe I don't know I think here again It's like it's it's up to interpretation from the person that is getting it right So like if I was to say I can read tea leaves and I give you accurate information by tuning into that It's even like what's crying or looking to a crystal ball or you know people who meditate on fire and they can receive information Again, those are all tools to help you to access what's already been there And I don't care how you have to get there just as long as you get there. Does that make sense? But when you say bunk, um, I do have some No, no, I will I will offend in you're gonna offend the three people listening Um, well last time I checked we're like in a couple thousands now.
Yeah. Yeah, thanks for our Belgian listeners Well, there's a couple of energetic modalities that I feel like It's not that they're not bunk, but they're over There's no reliance on them. Maybe well, or Well, yeah, I would say more that Because it's like it's kind of oversold in a sense that people stop searching for what is there's more to than that You know what I'm saying? So it's like they find a certain modality or practice, right?
I feel like I'm an avid student. I'm like, I'm still learning I'm like I'm being schooled every day by spirit and it's like I'm not gonna say that I'm just one thing because we're sentient beings and we're constantly growing evolving Changing. I'm like I'm not gonna put a title on it be by us. What kind of energy work you do all the time like Um, I can't give you a title.
I'm like, it's just whatever spirit tells me to do I do it Well, that's kind of how we are as paranormal investigators like we're always learning new things about the paranormal that you know, maybe three years ago We thought was this is you know one way, but then something happens that kind of changes our mind Well, and one thing that's interesting too and like you said kind of prompted by you know energy spirit or whatever you want to call it Um, I don't know that we've ever done A single house cleansing exactly the same. Um, we've always done it kind of based on what we feel needs to happen Uh, for instance, I went on one uh, cadence down there and I what can't wear holes in this present But I ended up shumpled at lakes. I had something going on and when I showed up, uh, we were able to get to the bottom of it But we cleansed the house, you know, matter that we'd never ever done before I I just personally felt that we needed two or three specific things We did it problem solved and it was unlike how we've done it before You know, I felt like we needed to you know, put this out and I felt like we needed to burn this And a lot of times we just don't know why but it's better to do what you feel prompted to do So speaking of cleansing, so you might know if I jump into one of my questions here Sure, uh, he listened to an episode um that we did on cleansing And he he wanted to know uh are all those things really necessary or they are placebo effect for the homeowner So it doesn't face on a piece of blessing do just as well As far as like, you know, the salt and the basil and all that stuff that we do at the cleansing to this age I'm gonna answer that and I'll let everybody else jump in and give their uh two cents, but yes, Mike Um, some of it is necessary. Um, some of it is a placebo and when we go in let's say we're gonna do a full blown cleansing We're gonna do several things and really we may only do one or two things and the rest are to help the homeowner Because really the homeowner has to believe that what you're doing is gonna be effective or to really be effective And if you do five things instead of two things that helps reinforce that homeowners belief Uh, that what's effective is effective, uh, and even if like a pre-sublessing it's all based on faith and that faith can be in the pre-sublessing Uh, how many people's faith though is unwavering?
It's like so I mean, you know, so uh, but even um I always tell people there's certain levels depending on the um amount of energy whether it's negative I call it gray dark whatever, um and what you're trying to cleanse Um, but sometimes if you're not careful, I think you can make the situation worse Um, and so there is certain procedures. I would agree with that In fact, we've been called in several times After other groups have been in locations ask us to come in and kind of fix what has gone sideways with them trying to deal with something Making it worse and making it worse. Uh, you know, we've been very fortunate that we've got a fantastic team with a lot of gifted people So we've been able to actually go in and fix things sometimes we've had to go two or three times But I don't know that we've ever made a situation worse I think you guys are one of the most unique teams that I've had the privilege of associating with based upon how you guys structure or do things Um, you know, it's always blowing my mind how many teams are out there investigating and uh, I helped a couple of people that went on investigation and they had I guess called a spirit jumping where um, it was It took me an hour and a half to get them back to normal. Um, and I asked them I said, well, don't you guys like do any protection stuff psychic protection stuff?
Don't you have I mean like even this is a sigil for that kind of stuff and uh, they're like no And I'm like, I'm so surprised at how many people would go about what you guys do nonchalantly without any conscious thought or Consideration about what they're doing. Um, or people who like to go in and do an investigation and they try to piss off a spirit And I'm like, why am I like? Does that What Well, that kind of reminds me of a question that um Another paranormal podcast host brought up on his facebook page was the uh, do you think religion affects or kind of swathes people's perspective on the The paranormal absolutely so I mean with us like yeah, I mean it kind of does because I mean 95% of our team was LDS. Um, we do have A weekend and we have a catholic but most of us and I mean things that we do kind of protect ourselves is Before and after an investigation we say a prayer.
I mean, it's just it's just kind of what we feel like we say to protect ourselves from Whatever we're dealing with because we're going to someone's home that has a really negative entity or a demonic entity or whatever you want to call it Um, we don't know that we want to help the family and we want to go in with the right frame of mind being able to help that family And we don't want that thing to follow us home Well, it's interesting uh kind of going back to what you said about some of these teams that do go in and don't do anything to protect themselves We as a team have never had any major issues except for some attacks on brandy herself But that's a whole of her gift that exactly that they use but as far as the team members We haven't had really any jumping instances or anything that's really been detrimental That's why I said it's really cool to from my perspective to observe that how you guys have set that up Um, yeah, I think it's pretty cool. I mean, it's just it reminded me though It's like um, you're talking about religion and faith and um, you know protection all that kind of stuff but it's even like I go back to the cross thing and um They're only as good as your belief in them That's how they became a talisman because everybody that started to believe in that thing It's like we collectively gathered our energies and we imbued that object with that power I remember watching like a horror show when I was a kid who was a vampire show and the guy was holding up a cross And the vampire crushed the cross in his hand. He was like, it's all there's no there's no Exactly. Just a symbol.
Yeah. Well, that's like when we first started investigating brandy gave me or a rosary That was blessed by the pope and her grandfather And I wear it on every investigation we go on and I've had friends that I've kind of given me crap because I know the s And uh rosary and the cross is something we use in that faith So they're like, well, why do you have it if you're not catholic and I said because I believe in what it can do for me Like I don't need to tap into every person Who's faith or belief in that object and what it can do? So we collectively gathered all of our energies and we've imbued that object So it is powerful and that's actually something that that Tim brought up a couple months ago because I was I'm I kind of played the doubles advocate with stones and crystals And I asked him about that and he said, you know, there's so many people that put their faith and their energy into the properties of a certain stone That's why it has that character You need to go watch ancient aliens. Okay, seriously Well, because there's so many things that are out there that science is catching up to um these energetic things that we all have said for so long I mean, it's like even under like some of the pyramids they found a He's carrying a piece of selenite right now, but they found this um gypsum chamber this right underneath there It's like you've got a piece of obsidian right now.
Yeah, I mean, it's like a four leaf clover looking right But it's but it's like why do they use gold because it's a great conductivity in rockets I'm like, okay. So I mean there's so many things that are backing up what us my husband calls it wiwu you know people do the wiwu stuff, right? Um, but Science is catching up to what we've always known and what we feel well and you know not to kind of go sideways on the topic But rocks and crystals for instance. I mean really, you know most watches got a course crystal in them Okay, and it's like right so there's a lot more to that stuff than I think a lot of us give credit to but that's my take on it too is that I use Scientific equipment that you know, you can you can track you can Follow the progress of of things that you're doing and have exact evidence whereas, you know rocks crystals It seems like it's intangible back there.
Think about people like tesla Think about people like Einstein all those people that everybody thought was kuku for coca puffs, right? And when they they tried to perfect their, you know, what do you call it? Their science or their own inventions those kind of things. It's like other people did you seven figured it out yet?
Okay Well, it's interesting even from a scientific standpoint. If you watch the history channel, you know, I'm a junkie What scientists believed 50 years ago or 100 years ago? We look at it now. Oh, those guys were afraid It might have been written on a virus right?
Years ago, well, but even like stone hands right we have light art that you can detect what's underneath the ground now, right? They use that lighter Yeah, but even during her stone hands. I mean they've discovered there's um like it's much larger than stone hands itself It's underneath the ground where they call those the the lines the Laylines, it's actually it's actually the rocks the stone hands. There's another stone hand under stone.
Are you kidding? No? That's what I tell you need to watch an ancient alien. You're missing out because honestly my blown.
Yeah, seriously It's literally it's literally there's another stone hands under stone hands. It's like crazy stuff. Well, it's speaking of stone hands. I was listening to uh Jim Harald the paranormal show one of his newer episodes and his guess it's on there.
I believe it's actually one of your guests That's coming up to the expo. Okay, uh, I can't remember name though. It's Elizabeth. No, um The last thing I'm sorry the G.
I think okay, so we got Chase Klotzky and uh, I'm gonna say rosemary or okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah So she was talking about someone that went to stone hands and like her life completely changed after visiting stone hands like She had a career change like everything she was on vacation went to stone hands There was something about the stones that spoke and were and on the way home from vacation like she had quite a job inside Comin musicians. So there's something no there I mean what about the stones that are there's so many things that are just mind-blowingly amazing when I remember watching an episode where they Had gone under in this cave and they were showing how they taken your guys I don't know anything about your equipment but like to Since the energetics or something like that But like there was a hole that was over on one side of it and he said the guy was like literally it could feel the vibrations All of it is why but you go even just a few feet, you know to the other side of it. I mean so we're learning I mean, I'm like it blows me away I say and I think ultimately that's kind of the long and short is there's a lot of interesting things and aspects to this world That we just don't understand, you know And my guess is that a hundred years from now science is gonna look back on us and go Oh guys we're in the freakin dark ages with what I knew and understood I would rather people instead of being arrogant be humble and Recognizing that we don't know as much as we think we do well.
And that's what always fascinates me with this field in general is close-minded people and Close-minded people can be both close-minded for and against Paranormal metaphysical and what I mean by that you get people who in the face of overwhelming evidence safe. Nope. It's not real I don't believe it but same time you get people who are In the field who have their beliefs set and if you show them something different, no, they don't believe it. They're stuck in it and it's To me close-minded people are very frustrating because they've already made their mind on something and they're not willing to adjust with new information You have to find a balance where you're a little open-minded, but not so far that everything's paranormal.
I try to find A logical explanation for something first It's interesting because if you look you know going back to the history channel and science kind of thing the scientific community I'm gonna take a I'm gonna paint this with a wide brush The scientific community is a very close-minded community. It takes a considerable amount of evidence before they'll even consider a new theory Well, see that reminds me of a debate a couple years ago That was on YouTube between Bill and I and Ken ham where they're both scientists But one believes in you like the evolution theory and everyone the other one believes in creationism I remember towards the end of the debate they asked Bill and I you know Well, what would it take to change your mind on your beliefs and he says evidence suppose that and can him on the that's the same question Well, would it get to change your beliefs or your theories on these things and he said absolutely nothing See, but that's the thing about the scientific method is that you have to have evidence that can be recreated with the same results Right, but what I'm saying is that once the scientific community kind of makes it their mind on something It takes a monumental effort and a monumental amount of evidence for them to budge on it But still there is that possibility that I mean, they're not as open-minded as other people There's still that possibility that they are willing to change right and like I said, I'm paying that with a broad brush I'm not saying that all scientists are close minded. I'm just saying like I'm using that as an example Anyway, I think we're getting closer in that time I know we did have a listener about some questions we want to run through those two So we've we've went over one over one quick. We can go over a couple these The first couple have to deal with spirits and animals the first one is do dogs see spirits any more than the average person I've already kind of ran this over with brandy and yes Dogs are cats and animals are more likely to see a spirit than your average person That's one of the reasons why people's dogs and cats are acting really weird when they've got something on them I think I think even young children too.
Yeah, I have three children and all three of them I remember I would be sitting on the couch and bouncing them on my lap and they'd be looking over my shoulder and suddenly just smiles If someone walked in the room and I knew that there was for sure Okay So next to the question's pretty much the same But you want to know if spirits can communicate with animals or dogs on a different level than normal people and Brains answer to that was no a human spirit is going to communicate with an animal the same way a person would using this normal Words that you would use or the hand signals or whatever There's not some kind of unspoken language between dogs and spirits And if I got to give you a kudos for that question Mike because that was one of the very first questions I think I asked Randy when I met her and Tim and kept them from going to the To the panel that they had intended to go to we were gonna see this on the plane Yeah, I make sure that didn't happen But that was all my questions is whether or not animals communicated more clearly after they passed or if they still did the home now Mark work thing so jumping right in the next one here does watching scary movies paranormal shows or listening podcasts That are at home invite or kind of like more spirit activity or can it exacerbate existing issues only if you're playing with the Mijibord while you're watching movie I would say the answer that is a kind of It kind goes back to what we've talked about on or what has been talked about on radio running with Changa If you're bringing a lot of negativity into your home you have the potential to open up a portal more less than bring in Well, yeah, I think it's you're the catalyst right you're the person that if you're if that affects you and enhances that already You're trying it and basically if you're focusing on it You're drawing it in now just to be clear the wish show will never cause that to happen ever Never ever ever will the wish show bring in negative spirits into your home. Yeah, but no If you're yeah, if you're sitting down watching tons of slasher films in the conjuring and you're really focusing on that Absolutely your mind's on it all the time. Yeah, you're gonna bring that kind of stuff in fact That's kind of why you know, I'll watch those my home. It's entertainment.
It's not a huge risk The thing is you just need to be aware of it and I know for instance Chongo if they watch something scary They'll usually throw in like a Disney movie right after and that kind of changes the atmosphere But you can be obsessed over anything. I mean, I think it's all a moderation a few obsessed about horror slasher films They yeah, you're gonna bring something in right okay, so the next question can come on investigation with us wisps or responsible investigators Result in increased activity in your own home. It actually says responsible But yeah, I would say no coming coming on an investigation with us the west where we like so we take steps to protect ourselves And the people that are with us on the investigation we say a prayer before and after so I mean that's something that you believe in And it's gonna help you then no, it's not gonna you're not gonna take anything almost like an increase activity in our home That was my main concern to I'm sorry didn't mean it Not you fine, but yeah when I first started I had probably an hour hour and a half long discussion with Deann And she was talking about that because that was my main concern I don't want to bring anything home I remember chunk it talking about that on the shows that if you don't take the right precautions Then you've got spirits that you know want to attach themselves to your home That's with anything though. That's like we talked about sigils.
That's I wear this one 24 seven I mean, it's like so depends on what it is but using your Tools and things that are available to use I mean not care whether you it's prayer and don't care what it is But there's certain things that can ensure that you stay safe and protected at all time Well, and one thing I want to kind of throw a caveat on that one You know when we do public investigations, we always do a safety briefing We never investigate that safety briefing because we want to make sure everybody is safe at our investigations However, no matter how many safety briefings we give if you show upon investigation you act like a jackass or you don't want to fight fight me I can just hear butterscotch panda playing men and hats in the background Yeah, I remember there's a Fort Douglas investigation we went on and there was a certain guess there But I know this guess name I'm not gonna say it on the air except I won't embarrass them but they were acting like a complete jackass on the investigation and This female guest was having some issues. Yeah, I had a I had a remover for my group and you guys had a real blessing Right just because she was doing all the things that we would recommend not doing and she was having issues So I mean we started out with the echo box popped on and we the first thing you we're here is you know F you and she's like F me know F you which I can see how a Demonic and negative spirit would take them as a challenge and I watched her energy level and just her move completely changed for like Like half hour on hour to the point where I saw her physically get pushed by nothing I mean she was standing with her back leaning against the bookcase and she got pushed forward So basically your easy answer on that on Mike is if you're with responsible investigators and you follow the instructions And you're told you're not gonna have any issues if you show up or with the group who doesn't do a safety briefing doesn't give you safety tips Or you ignore the safety tips you could be as you might be just fine But you could be asking for trouble It just depends on the venue the circumstances a lot of different factors, but that's kind of the easy answer Okay, so next one is we fear what we don't understand So do all spirits types one through three feed off that fear Does that nervous energy give them power or make me a target in any way just so you kind of know the types one through three are types Type one spirit is what we consider just a normal human spirit friendly human spirit a type two is still human spirit But it's more on the malicious side. Yeah, where they're either assholes because they can be or they're being controlled by what we call a type Three or a demonic spirit, so it might answer to that would be yes and no a type one spirit a normal human spirit That's just I mean if that's the type of person they were when they were alive Then maybe but a type two or type three might actually feed on the fair type three for sure It's gonna feed on that fear where type two it depends on if it's one that's being controlled by type three or if it's one That's just being a jerk just because he the type two that's being a jerk just because might might look at you And just kind of pass you over but I think a type two that's being controlled and the type three are definitely gonna kind of feed off that fear Turn your phone off their DM Do you want to be called the pot or the kettle? So damn I missed the question Do you answer it?
I answered it. Yeah, okay Wait a page I know that I've heard you say not to talk to them. I've announced a few times in my house that I know you're here But I don't want to know about it or something that nature is that bad to have said that I don't think it's not you're fine I was gonna say there spirits my home and I periodically say hi I yeah, I mean you've got dominance because it's your it's your house and I think that if you kind of announce like it's okay You're here, but I live here too, and I don't want any problems I think you can get along usually right that the big problem is that we talked about on our last episode is just you don't Want to be investigating your own house alone, yeah? Cuz there can be some issues with that But I mean if you know there's reaching your home, you know what the spiritual home are just saying hey What's up isn't really an issue and next question?
I'm just gonna answer this real quick the investigation you I signed up for the Benson Grissman on the 25th of August we won't be there That's not us. I will send you an invite to our investigation there on September 2nd. Yeah I was trying to figure out what that 25 thing was We'll be hosting a barbecue slash investigation in that one just kind of invite only so sorry listeners if you weren't invited It doesn't mean we don't love you it probably means because you don't live in Utah We don't have money to fly you out here, you know the guest list But yeah, Mike We will definitely send you an invite to our barbecue investigation and if you would like to talk about your stories that you shared with us You're more than welcome to share that with the group and Mike you need to bring chips preferably kettle chips Next question, I'm not gonna read the whole thing But basically those talks about how his wife is plagued with headaches and shoulder aches They've gone to the doctor the vet cat stands everything shows up negative now He was curious as to whether or not Cellinite would help that he says I'm always leery about what the things up on my faith in I mean taught that there's God and there's not God Lighten darkness rock to me is not God But that's just me no judgment here But is my or her faith in the selenite a prerequisite for effectiveness and if it is how does that not come back to the Political effect of believing that a rock has human powers And so a believer puts their faith in that rock when the rock itself is just a rock and nothing more So the first part was the headaches and the shoulder pain or whatever it was that has nothing to do with Cellinite or anything you're asking a very complicated question to a complicated Analysis I mean it's like we're all different. I mean it's like our Cognitive beliefs, you know, maybe stress effects that maybe how they're wired.
Maybe she has anxiety I mean, there's so many different outside in influences that effects that kind of stuff so Cellinite I'd say Isn't the one for her to help take care of that but it's like until you met with that person One I want to really tune into what's going on with her. It's like that's a yeah That's like a crap shoot so let me ask you this on Mike's behalf Where they've gone to doctor and done all these tests and scans and everything's come up negative Is that something where they could come in and set an appointment with you and see kind of go the energy route See if there's some things that are out of alignment or need adjusting or I would say yes And I'd say that she's probably got some cognitive restructuring or different things It needs to be going on I tune into her if the likes she has stress and stuff that are causing some of that Okay, and how would they go about getting in contact with you? They can either send me an email at an at purevides Hollow calm or they can reach me on Facebook and send me a message Or they can reach me at 385 549 2181 and purevidesvile P-U-R-A-V-I-D-A Yes, H-O-L-O-W We'll put all the information on previous The next question Mike just when you come to the investigation of the barbecue bring those pictures and we'll be more than happy to look at them for you Pressure peaches will be there and she'll tell you she sees them and non barbecue kettleships And barbecue sign up your last question you said no barbecue don't like me take gravity I said non barbecue No, I was the non I thought you said bring no So it's the last question salt vinegar How is a group reading session from a medium such as cadence different from seance our sounds is bad like we do boards And go ahead and answer that sounds like I was right here So can you one last chance really quick repeat that so he's wanting to know Basically, how is a group reading because can't meet him? He does right right he wants to know how that's different from seance because we talk about how seances are bad Like we do boards and that's something that we don't do so he's want to know how group reading is different from a seance and well Because it's a fine line I think because even a seance is because you're trying to channel and you're trying to bring something in versus somebody that was already there Does it make sense?
So like if you have a loved one that's passed over and is coming through because they want to be acknowledged or they have a message to share or Something like that they're making the initiation a seance you're bringing in you're inviting in and you're opening the door Right, so it's like Pandora's box. You don't know what you're really inviting in necessarily And so you know, that's another cautionary thing so like with the group reading then these spirits that are there are just spirits that follow the The people you do. Yeah, yeah, absolutely or it's like somebody that I mean it can even be that it's nobody that's directly It related to you, but maybe you know the person that they want to get in touch with and it's an opportunity for them to share What they want to say and get the message across so you know, you know, you know Really quickly though, I wouldn't mind hearing just what we could expect at the paranormal Expo Yes, absolutely so who'll be there? Yep, so we've got people like Elizabeth saying from Ghost of Shepherd's Town.
We've got Mary Ellen DeGailie Chase Klotsky very strong Brankano I don't know who's going to be guest our brankano is from the hunter collector and Rosemary Gailie She does a lot of books with John's a I was gonna say did she go right haunted by things he loved right? I'm gonna say and demon haunted she also co-authored Yeah, so John's a f is we're hoping that he'll be able to pull off the dates. We're talking with him So nice that would be awesome. I know I keep my fingers crossed.
Yeah, if you get John's a f is castles Just gonna let you know you like He's such a nice guy. Castle got a huge One of my personal paranormal heroes. Oh, yeah, he's a wonderful guy. Love him.
Yeah, he's a very nice guy, but so we have people like I can't think my DJ's name out of Las Vegas anyway, but we've got people who are coming I don't know if you guys have ever heard of combo I will gain you know different things of that nature, but we're bringing in just about everything we can possibly do is kid friendly So there's gonna be like the metaphysical one There's a section that's like enter the wizard zone to where kids can go hang out and learn It's not just gonna go play games. It's like you can play games But it's like for example, we're gonna do things like shock or toss, right? Okay, because I want to have them I want to have them educated as well, but then we're gonna have probably anywhere between 75 to 100 different vendors as well In addition to that outside of the Expo itself like I said, we've got the VIP party the investigations that are going Panels, you know, like I said our celebrities that we're bringing in it's gonna be a lot of fun And it's like it's gonna be the place to be really so what are some of the prices people can expect to pay to visit this? Oh my gosh, it's dirt cheap.
So there's there's varying levels of entrance obviously so general admissions 10 bucks Okay, and so that gets you in to see some of the panels that get you into all of the vendor activities So like obviously the investigation I think it's like $39 to come and go to the investigation the VIP party because we're gonna have Well, if you drink okay, there's gonna be a van that has drinks and orders and stuff, you know That'll be there so we'll feed you as well. So that kind of stuff. That's me That's me. I say that sounds like great music and the episode.
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Hey, thank you everybody for tuning in Utah Perinol will Expo calm and we'll have all the links up there to everything Thank you and for being our guest. Thank you.
Thanks for having us. You guys. No problem So Stephanie's been our female silent dawn for this. Oh, no, she's my sidekick She's like an apprentice in training.
So this episode is actually gonna kick off a lot of our exciting episodes They're coming up we wanted to start with and then talk about the Expo and then sort of what she does We have planned here in the future is all of her guests that are gonna be attending the metaphysical and the panel Expo We're actually gonna try to get them to all phone in and be guests on the show as well to help promote the event And then as well as we'll be doing a recording with Jimmy Lynn Darling when she's in town. She's not gonna be at the expos She's just gonna be in town for fun, but wanted to stop by and say hi So we're gonna be recording with her at the family she restaurants so that should be pretty fun. All right Well, hey, thanks everybody for tuning in and I will make sure I Cheers, so thanks. Thank you guys peace out Butterflies, thanks you guys You're listening to the Wisps was at your investigative studies for paranormal science Their grown ass adults that like to sit in the dark and talk to each other, but they all love their moms So that should account for something