Should Europe start planning for the worst?

Ties between the US and Ukraine have soured with Donald Trump calling Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelenskyy a 'dictator' in a public war of words. Meanwhile US and Russian diplomats met in Saudi Arabia to discuss Ukraine's future without representatives from Kyiv or Europe. Should the continent be preparing for a future without the US as an ally? Bronwen Maddox is joined by historian and author Timothy Garton Ash, Georgina Wright, visiting fellow at the German Marshall Fund and Orysia Lutsevych, deputy director for Chatham House's Russia and Eurasia Programme. Read our latest: What the UK should do in defence of Ukraine and Europe Europe needs to make its own plan for peace in Ukraine – and rouse its people to the threat from Russia German election: Far-right firewall weakens as immigration concerns take centre stage Presented by Bronwen Maddox. Produced by John Pollock with Indio Media. Read the Winter issue of The World Today  Listen to The Climate Briefing podcast 🎧  Listen to Africa Aware podcast 🎧 Subscribe to Independent Thinking wherever you find your podcasts - please listen, review, and subscribe.