Show 33 "Uncle hugs"

Alright guys ready to do this magic? Show 33, let's do it. The following show is for mature audiences only. Listener discretion is advised, and if you don't like it, please go fuck yourself.

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Recording live from the Threshold Society Clubhouse in North Hollywood, California in front of our... Our... really kind of big, three audiences time. Hello perverts.

I'm Kathy. And I am Boogie, and here we are, God damn it, show 33. Trace, trace. That's it, that's it.

But I'm on! Is it... What? Then E?

There's an E in it. 30 and three. I am so goddamn Spanish. No you're not, you're really not.

I am authentically speniardo. I don't even know what that means. Speniardo. Speniardo.

So how are we doing? Show 33. Yeah. Show 33 is amazing.

I'm a little underwhelmed. What do you mean underwhelmed? You're usually assigned some magic... No, this is...

Now all you do is... ...scesh it out. There are ass... There are ass...

there are ass-le-le-ly. Show, that's correct. Hey! Hey!

Wait a minute, don't get all that way. We're just starting, especially after our end to the B experience that you and I had. I have no idea what that even means. You guys, I put it on the potato mayhem because it's...

Potato mayhem. I... I don't know what it is. Okay.

I'm going to be... I'm going to be so... Just prepare for the abyss. It is.

If you're confused, I don't know what he's talking about. So end to the B. Oh fuck off! So end to the B.

So Abyss and I are in some lovey-dovey time, and she's like bent over the bed, and I'm on my knees by the bed, and I'm up at a certain height, and all of a sudden, in my passion, my visceral, sexual, predator mind, I look and I see, and I'm just at the right position. And I hate you. And I go, I wonder if I could put my nipple in her butt hole. And I...

I have never felt sorry for you, then I do at this moment. And all of a sudden, I'm like, dude, I can make that happen. I go wonder what that would feel like. You know, because sometimes when a woman kisses you, nipples it feels kind of good, but a little sphincter kiss.

Might happen. So I just... She's like, what are you doing? And I'm like, oh baby, and I'm trying to play it off.

Because if I say, I want to put my nipple in your butt hole, that may come with some sort of resistance, or rebellion, anarchy, something. You think? A shoe, a magic shoe flying across the room. So I just start rubbing, and I kind of spread it open, and I just kind of work, and by about halfway, like when I get my chest up to that point, she's like, what the fuck are you doing?

And I'm like nipple in butt hole. BEE! I got it. I got it.

I got it in there. Just when I think you... The one other man in the house, do I get a haya? Even retail, taking what you're not gonna say.

I'm on. Don't be hanging. If only butt hole. And then he's called, then he sniffed it.

Oh, no. That's it. I mean, you gotta find out. That's it.

That's it. No more potato mayan for you. That's our show. Nobody listen anymore.

Just... I did that in honor of David Bowie and Alan Rennon. No, you so did. I did it in honor of David Bowie because...

No. David Bowie cut his... Okay, I'm gonna watch. I'll make some bullshit.

Okay, let's see. In the movie... Wait, was that... Was that Pink Floyd the Wall, or was that fucking the man who fell to earth?

Did David Bowie cut off his nipples and the man who fell to earth? No, I think that was fucking Pink Floyd the Wall. Neither way, it has nothing to do with my bow and your nipple. Anyway, but Alan Rickman played The Voice of God.

And he didn't have a sphincter? And he had no sphincter, therefore, in honor of his passing because he was fucking awesome. About my nipple and your butt hole. Well, we mourn the loss of Alan Rickman and David Bowie.

I don't know. I mean, Bowie seemed older. I didn't know Rickman was 69. They were both 69.

Fuck cancer, okay? Both died of cancer. And Bowie, I felt was older and had all these incredible experiences. Bowie, I was a big Bowie fan.

I mean, just a pioneer, entertainer, just constantly reinventing music. And then... Alan Rickman was like, dude, he was Snape, and he was the voice of God, and he was pride and prejudice. He was Marvin and the Chiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

He was just awesome. And he was the dude from Die Hard. Yeah. He was the baddie.

Yeah, no. We will mourn him and we still love him. And of course, all the Harry Potter friends because all my friends are dorks. You know?

Not you, but surely not you. Well, you went on a finding weekend this weekend, right? Yes, I did. You did.

Did you kick some ass and shoot arrows and faces? I totally did. Did they like, did you guys all like light your arrows on fire and shoot them into the sky for Snape? I see what you're doing, Boogie.

Do you see him? No. No. Get your nipple.

Is that the nipple? Is that the nipple that went in your bubble? Boogie enters another girl this month. I didn't enter.

I didn't enter. I saved Mark's life. Oh, really? What?

I saved Mark's life. By? With my penis. Pounding her pewter so hard that she has doubled over a pain and ended up on it.

OK. Wait a minute. I have that effect on most women. Yeah, well, we do.

I make most women want to vomit. You don't vomit. It is kind of true. But no, there's a sensation.

And I was actually going to put this out to the preferred podcast listeners because I've had it happen a couple of times before. You know you're doing something wrong, when? You know you're doing something wrong, when? After sex, women suddenly want to vomit.

Buckle over in a cramping weird pain. I don't know if it was I poked the cervix too hard. Or if there was some nerve that I hit, Abyss doesn't seem to think that it was a nerve. Not the way Mark was describing it.

It sounds like something more internal. It sounds like there was a cyst or something. Because it went on a long time, right? Yeah.

It went and then there was pain and cramping and nausea. And then it kind of went away. And then every time she would turn over, she felt like Oregon's shift. And it would start rolling again.

Oregon's no shift. So they absolutely don't shift. They do too. Like all of a sudden, you're like, they're down there.

And they have maracas and a little samba line. And they're all pancreas, shift with a spleen. Tada, tada, tada, tada, tada, tada, tada, tada, tada, tada. No, they don't.

No. But I hate having someone medical on the show. That really fucks up all my theories. Sorry.

I hate that guy. I tend to believe Abyss in all of this. Whatever. Bed life is the place where you want to call on display.

But then they fuck each other in the ass with their horns. Because that's the kind of freaky shit that happens on their lives. Four year piece of mind, please know that the author of each post we talk about has specifically granted us permission to do so. What do they do?

They remember her handbag. Because he was that nipple. It makes my assholes still clench. It's on your fucking world, didn't it?

Yeah. That's a thing. Now that's a pet life fetish right there. Kathy?

I found a post called Empty. Empty by little Annie. And she says, I don't think I have the Constitution for casual sex. Oh.

There was a sex party not long ago. I did have fun, but something wasn't quite right. It's not like I did anything I didn't want to do. But then when I got home later, it dawned on me that it meant nothing.

I felt empty and lonely. It would be easy to just grab any person off the street. But that's not me. I have sex because I want to get to know someone better and want to deepen a connection that's already there.

I don't have to be in love to have sex with someone, but I at least have to have a basic connection. An ability to look in their eyes and think, yes, this person is precious to me. I kept my eyes closed for most of it, honestly. And that told me something.

Now that I know myself better, I know what I have to do in the future. But for the moment, I still feel a bit empty as if I burned away my sexual energy to power a treadmill going nowhere. I was going to have a bummer, man. Kind of a broke my heart.

But what I think what I like was that she had that she had a realization. This is who I am. The war for me. I don't think I'm going to do it anymore.

And this is what I'm demanding of myself. And I get that. It sounded also very dropy to me. It sounded a lot like drop.

Because I've had that when we've done play and stuff. She described the whole empty feeling, oh, was this something? Was this just a flame of passion? Was this, did it mean anything to the person?

That you sneed me? I was really good with sport fucking when I was younger. I could fuck you and just be like, OK, bye bye. I don't even give a fuck.

Toodles. I got mine. But as I've gotten older, my definition of casual sex has definitely changed. Like for me, I can have sex with multiple partners.

I just can't, there has to at least be flirting beforehand, getting to know you not like we need to talk about our life together, blah, blah, blah. But at least know that there's a chemistry there. And then afterwards, there better at least be some texting or phone calls to know that I just wasn't a one and done. I mean, we can be one and done.

I don't give a fuck, but I just can't feel like shit afterwards. Exactly. And that's, yeah. And this one, I picked this post because it actually struck her with me.

Because in the part of it, she said something like, I've been telling myself that I need to get out there more. And then at the end of the post, she realizes, no, that's actually not what I mean. And that struck her with me. Because for a long time, I mean, I'm 50.

And I'm just now realizing, only a few years ago, I realize, I really just need to be who I want to be and stop all this damn I should do this. And I should do that. And if I were a mature person, I'd do this. And if I were a carefree person, I'd do that.

And I should be running around frolicking and doing what everyone else does and what everyone else says I should do. And there's just this feeling of peace that comes over you when you realize, no, this is who I am. And this is what I'm going to go after. And her post very much sounded like that to me.

So you're not seeking the external whatever that social validation is by being more of an extrovert, by being more sexual, by being. Exactly. Because I actually need, and I use this word a lot, I need to bond with somebody. And people get scared when they hear that word.

I don't mean I'm going to stalk you. I don't mean I have to fall head over heels in love with you and be with you 24-7, be your one and only. I can bond with you and only see you once in a while. But that has to be there.

I have to be able to look in your eyes just like she said. And know that that person on the other end is someone who sees me too. I see this is a flexible. For me, this is like a flexible problem.

That it is not, for me, it's not an identity problem. For me, it is an identity problem. When I am comfortable with myself, when I care about myself, when I am invested in myself, when I don't mind being alone with myself, I can have more casual sex and not get that empty, dropy, used feeling at the end of that. When I first started playing, when I came to Threshold however many years ago, a lot of people, because a lot of people knew me and saw that I was silly and whatever.

And so a lot of people wanted to play with me. But it was all like a lot of play. And then they get up and then they just bail and then go play immediately with someone else. It's like, I have I.

And I remember at that time how Butthurt that used to make me. But that was before I was still living in all sorts of resentment. And I hadn't really done a lot of the self-work that I did three, four years ago. So since that work, all of a sudden now, I can have more of those quick interactions, whether the person uses me or not, whether whatever that agenda is for the play, it doesn't hurt me as much.

I don't drop because I'm OK with being with myself. So I don't think that's the only thing people do. I think people have casual sex for the wrong reasons. But I see more serial monogamists that have relationships for the wrong reasons because they don't want to feel alone, because they don't want to feel that they are lacking that security of a relationship.

So I think it can kind of go both ways. I don't know if she's necessarily saying that she wants to be in a committed relationship or anything. She says she has to have a connection, because that was my concern. What was the definition of casual sex for people?

Because if it's a nameless whatever fuck, because she was talking about a sex party, she shows up, pays her whatever, and fucks whoever she wants. And then she walks away. She has no connection. Which is actually pretty rare for humans.

I mean, I'm a pretty heavy fucking whore. I've never really been to a orgy. And there are certain people that that's their king. That's what they want.

They want nameless. They want no connection. They want to be able to fuck, get it done and get out. But for me, even if it's just a fuck get it done, whatever, I still need to feel like I was more than just a warm hole.

Right. So it's an empty, horrible feeling when you walk away feeling that way. And I don't think that's not your king. I mean, that's the thing.

Yeah, for not for everybody. For me, absolutely 100% not something that makes me feel good. And I don't know if it's necessarily a little Annie or Kathy or myself is saying that we can't do the casual sex. But casual doesn't mean anonymous.

It doesn't mean that there's not going to be something before and after. Well, I think a lot of people in the casual, the definition of casual sex is somebody you're not necessarily dating long term or having a relationship with. I think for most of us casual sex means you've met someone, you know, maybe at the club, you've spent some time with them, and then kind of do it and move on. See, but you got to know them.

You now have an experience. They're generally going to be a phone call or whatever. After she's talking about flat out, going out and having a fox. And then that was where I was getting a little questioning on the.

Self-love man stands for everything. Well, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you have shitty, like self-esteem if you want to feel like someone loves you at the end. If you said so, she says I close my eyes closed for most of it, something's wrong. And she was absolutely right.

Or are there just ugly people she was having sex with? No? Nipple in the butthole. Yeah, I'm going on to the next one.

That's it. I'm going on to the next one. It was a good post. It was a great post.

Thank you to Lil Annie. This next one I love because the title sounds like an epic movie. I want an echo at the end of this. It's called Kink, the parallel universe.

Universe universe universe. Thank you for that echo. Oh, I'll put a fucking echo in it post. What?

Oh, let's go. I'll do it. It's here we go. It was a good no your echo was.

It was good. What now? I got a validate the echo. The echo, no echo.

That was a perfect thing. Validation, nobody. This is the best. Don't look at me like that.

Clear. It's written by banks. Kink the big. Stop flashing a nipple at her.

Anyone want to smell a nipple? There might still be some. It's been four days. Oh my god.

So thanks. He was a huge. Yes, thanks. He wrote Kink the parallel universe.

Universe universe universe universe universe. He says this world is hidden, a secret and sometimes even frowned upon. This world is misinterpreted and misunderstood. Kink is not a lifestyle.

It is a universe. It's here where the Sunday school teacher after teaching her students about the word of God gets a good, hard fuck in the bathroom of that same church. It's here where the couple arrives home after attending a conservative traditional wedding only to have their polyamorous partners welcome in at the door. It's here where the word slut can actually mean something beautiful.

Where the friendly and warm-hearted expose their darkness. Where sex and intimacy is craved more than breath. This is the universe unknown to many. Welcome.

Universe universe universe universe universe universe universe universe universe universe. And when I read this, I thought that is exactly how I've always felt about the Kink community. Like it's this alternate universe that sits alongside the regular vanilla world and nobody knows about it and every once in a while I could just step to the right and slip into this alternate universe and where all the crazy happens and the stuff that everyone would lock you up for. I'm going to make another point of view of that.

And that is, is that world that is not the Kink universe is the fairy tale. And here is where we get to be real and explore ourselves without judgment. This is the reality. The reality is that if you have a sexual desire, especially the things he was talking about, the Sunday school teacher faking to everyone in that fake fucking fantasy world.

And then really her desire is to sneak in the closet and get fucked. Now that is real. What she is doing in that Sunday school class is playing a front. That's what our entire society is based on.

Kink wouldn't seem like an alternate universe if we just allowed ourselves. We're like this. I get really pissed at this because I'm like I'm so sick of being this fucking secret. Like somehow we are the weird ones.

We're here. We're being honest with each other. I can look at somebody and say, hey, you know what? I appreciate you and I want to learn you and then I want to have sex with you.

And these are the things I want to do. And I can look at someone else and say, there's the things that I want to do to you. And we're honest and we're real and renegotiate. And we're the ones that are talked about is like this weird fucked up thing.

When out there, they're living the fucking illusion. Not us. They're the ones faking it with their conservative bullshit and then acting it out in sexual ways, usually ending up hurting themselves or getting arrested. Well, you're right.

It would be right that way, but it unfortunately is not and will probably be many, many, many decades or hundreds of years before the rest of the world. Paverty podcast will make. We will show the motherfucking world. Yeah.

So 100 years from now, when we're all dead, they'll just unearth this archival podcast and go, are these motherfuckers at it? Right? They're ahead of their time. I didn't know it was okay to put a nipple in a puddle.

It's still not okay to put a nipple in a puddle. You're not 100 years from now. It will still not be okay. No, 100 years from now, it'll be like they'll just be like statues, blond statues of like me, you know, fucking with my nipple there and a bisp bent over like, what would that like question mark look?

But then she's down with it because it's fucking okay to do in society now because we don't have to live in some bullshit fucking social construct of fake religions and bullshit morals. Anybody I'm nippling the butthole, this is our world. You be yourself. You don't have to be kinky.

You don't have to be kinky. You don't have to do kinky things or whatever we call kinky. But what we do here is real and honest and what they do out there, they hide their kinks. They hide their kinks.

I can't, but I just cannot imagine a world in which people were able to be honest with each other and say, hey, you know what, I like something up my ass. Quite frankly, I cannot imagine that world would be a pretty cool world. I don't know. Our world is pretty cool.

Yeah. It's just hard to imagine. Also, a lot of these parallels that he's describing is part of what gets it, it's hot nature. It's so true.

He was sitting there talking about, he was not sitting there talking about like the CEO coming in after a long business thing where you know, this head businessman comes in and then, you know, he greets his mistress by getting on his knees and licking her fucking boots at the end. Sure. Like there is some hotness to the fact that Michelle's, there is some hotness to the fact that it is not and to be honest being sex positive doesn't necessarily mean throw it in everyone's face. There's absolutely no reason.

I'm not saying throw in people's face. I'm saying just be who you are. But there is also a dignity and a, there is where there is social norms, understanding that you have to rein it in a little bit. It's not always a bad thing.

You know, there is, I mean, there is, we can, we can agree to disagree on this one. I thought it was a great post. I thought it was, it was a beautiful, beautiful, showed a lot of the parallels that people in our universe, universe, universe have to deal with. And it's true, like, because most people will not understand like me being a nurse and I still have to explain to people that yes, I like hurting people.

I enjoy causing physical pain to people. So they wonder why I went into nursing and I'm trying to help. People now are these people you're in conversations with or there's this like a gent, once again, this is the bullshit I put out there. No, this is here in the dungeon.

That's okay. I'm just saying people are. The world, the utopia, which is funny to call it a utopia, the utopia I'm talking about is where people actually engage other people in conversations about who they are instead of who they want to be or who they have to pretend to be to not lose their job or to not get kicked out of school or to not get their kids taken away in a custody battle. So you're saying in meshing these two worlds together, it's not like I'm going to put my puppy guy on a leash and take him to the park, but I can still have it and be hot by because it happens here at the dungeon or it happens in my bedroom, but it's not taboo for a nurse.

The conversation would stop. The conversation could continue at a dinner party. It could be an open, hey, you know, abyss, tell me how it is, how does that work and it wouldn't be a taboo subject. What a great conversation that is.

I mean, every time I have had that conversation with somebody who has asked me just an honest question and I've given them an honest answer, it has always been an incredible experience. And when people don't live with that fear, you don't have to do. You don't have to be kinky, but that whole issue that we have so many people that are repressing that. And what we see astronomically across the board is the people that are kinky that are really, really reserved and socially beaten down by their religions and families and stuff like that.

When they do act out, it usually isn't with any education. It can usually be negative and a lot of times it ends up being abusive because they didn't have that conversation because they're so fucking wrapped up in that illusion that they think they have to live that they can't ask anybody a question. So they don't know. So then they just grab some fucking light bulb and shove it up their ass and they're in the fucking ER.

And then it's funny. Well, that's I'll give you. Then we have a segment on it. We talked about that.

I will give you that. Well, I like this post. I like it a lot. It was a great post.

It's a great conversation because I hadn't thought of what you were talking about, but yeah, I just thought it was really hot and cool that it's an alternate universe and I kind of like it. I don't think it's taboo either. I think I can do fine if the world was able to talk about kinky, it would still fucking turn me on because that's what I like doing. What do you think?

Universe, universe, universe, universe, universe, universe. There's always a kinky you don't know about yet. So let's learn one now on fetish roulette. So last week we, uh, mark dug into a bowl.

It's gonna really die. Nipple in the anus. It's picked random fetish out of a Kathy's Pyrex container bowl. Along with a hobbit, right?

Yes, the hobbits. And so I went and did some research on that and I come up with does a boob brush give you a rush? Do you give sneaky wang rubs at the club? Do you try to trick hands into touching your man gland?

This is a not, yes, it just sunk into you. I said man gland fuck off. I have to rhyme. It's apple fritter.

It's when you fucking apple fritter with vegan fruit bets. Toucherism is a sexual arousal based on grabbing and rubbing one's hand against an unsuspecting and non-consenting person. It usually involves touching breast, buttocks, genital areas. Often while quickly walking across the victim's path.

So this is a kink where they enjoy their fingers broken. This when they get caught. When they're around a bit. This is it.

They tried on her. Extra time inappropriate uncle huts. Oh, you've grown up so much. Yeah, extra tight inappropriate uncle hugs.

Ladies have you ever had that? The uncle that. No, do I just talk about this? The uncle that hugs you a little bit too.

Extra tight inappropriate uncle hugs. Oh, you've grown up so much. You know, there's on the bus, on the club, subways are notorious for fritarism. Anyone who's been to a Hollywood club?

Yeah, where people are grinding. And that goddamn like you got that dick all up on your thigh and you're like, why? Why? Why?

That is. I just got a taser and be honest. We need jumped. Bartle my Michelle's taser.

So this is actually, I mean, we were going into this and I was like, oh, like jokes jokes. We're going to make jokes about Frodo feed, whatever. And then all of a sudden I'm like, oh, that's absolutely sexual abuse and non-consexual. Yeah, I know we say your kink is your kink, but acting on this kink is non-consexual and it's abuse.

So fuck you. Yeah. Extra tight inappropriate uncle hugs. Oh, you've grown up so much.

None of these that we pick from the jar is ever really something. I mean, we had some like, Hey, dendrophilia. Yeah, and the men know the men know people who like their period. That's not that's not a fact.

Yeah. No, this one is flat out of use and all consent and in part of the universe universe universe universe. We don't support that. Okay.

Now that we've gone off to the, if you're going to raise your hand, get the fuck on the mic. Jesus Christ. What do we, a nursery school? My Michelle.

I'm a good. I was just going to say also, I had a chick at work who used to do that shit to me with her tits. Really? Yeah.

Yeah, she get well, she was like this little Mexican chick with like these like double Fs and she just like, oh, hi Michelle. Did it make that sound? Yeah. And she was like all over my back and she was all, so Michelle, maybe I need this from you.

I'm like, yeah, no, thank you. Have a time. You know, I have had the coworker who will like you're typing or something and they'll lean over and like their boobs just sits on your arm. Yeah.

And they're like, what do they like to put your boob like right on your shoulder? It's like a parrot. I'm like, what is that called? You know, you know, your boobs are big when you have to use a doppler effect.

No. No. No. Oh.

Oh. So predominantly in the, in the stuff we looked up, that it's mostly men, but now obviously we find out that there's actually a lot of women that do this. They're just very not like, I do feel like they get a thrill and I'm just like seeing how far they can push like, even if it's like non-conscious, like they'll just put like a boob on an arm and you're just like, I had patients who did that because I had computers where my arms were up and they lean over to see what I'm typing and like just use it like a shelf. Like, I mean, your older patients were the boobs hanging a little bit.

And I'm just like, excuse me. Lower Paleolithic boob hang in there. Please remove your memory from my arm. Let's get you hot.

So between the club where you have the dude who's like poking you on the side, it's like, it's like that morning wood situation where it's like, if I poke you enough with it, maybe you'll do something to it. So here we, so now we've had our fun talking about the stupidity of acting this out because it is non-consensual. And there is a chance for role play to occur in this. So once again, just because you have a fetish or a fascination for doing something doesn't mean that you can't act that out.

It just means you need to negotiate that into a play with your play partners. You can absolutely set up a scene in the dungeon where you're going to do that and you have, you know, your partner and you are going to reenact that and still be able to get out a certain part of that fetish. So it doesn't mean there's not an outlet for you. It's just what we're saying is that that is non-consensual.

You need the consent. You absolutely need the consent. I mean, you could have two or three. I do it all the time.

There's like, you know, a few people that I play out rub up against you all the time. But I. But you have, you already have a withstanding consent. You've already gotten consent from that.

The whole point of this fetish is saying that it is, you get the rocks off. Yeah, but you can role play the non-consent because we do consensual non-consent all the time. So you can still role play it. So you just can't do it non-consensually.

Yeah. Go up yourself. We'll chose this fucking list of fetish. Fucking fuzzy feet and stuff.

And I'm like, oh, this is actually really, really creepy. I'm really. Birthday mailbox. Everyone feel relaxed.

No. Oh, you're now. That ding at the end just killed my buzz. That's a chime.

That's a chime. That's a thing. Those are fingers symbols. Those are fucking zilgent fingers symbols.

Those aren't even, those aren't even. That's my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard cling at the end. My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard and they're like, like, it's better than yours. Damn right, it's better than yours.

I could teach you. But I'd have to charge. Oh my god. La la la la la la.

Yeah, I dated myself. Yeah, that's all. I know. There's going to be like three, there's going to be like three perverted podcast listeners that are like in their mid 30s that are going to be like, I remember that, Jim.

That was quality. So we got some mail from someone who chose to remain anonymous. Anonymous. Anonymous, why?

Why wouldn't you want to announce the entire world that you talked to perverted podcast? What do we say that is not amazing and inspiring to the masses? What nipple in the anus? That could be part of it.

Maybe. Maybe that. Okay, good. So this person chose to be anonymous.

But they asked an interesting question, which I said, let's tackle this because it's something that is not in our realm of understanding. I think it's an emphasis. Maybe. So they basically wrote some stuff and they said, can you please talk about the correlation between BDSM and ritual magic slash spirituality?

And incidentally, I see that and I'm like, okay, so we got two atheists and a non-religious pagan on the show. So boy, we're going to really able to say a lot of stuff about this. But I did think of some other stuff that I went, even as an atheist, I mean, obviously I used to be or consider myself or think I was very spiritual and had the whole kind of delusion based around that ideology. But even as an atheist, when I talk about what is spirituality to me, it's anything that I do that connects me to everything.

A star blew up. There was a bunch of shit that came out of it. It coalesced. It formed planets.

Stuff happened. We are all everything. And so that ripping away of my identity and my ego and how I'm going to rule the world with perverted podcast and my penis together and my nipple. When I rip all of that away, that is my spirituality.

My BDSM play connects me because I'm no longer thinking about my social positioning or my fake identity. I'm just living in that moment, especially when it's visceral, primal, or whatever play. At that moment, I feel I would call that very spiritual as a connection to just being what evolved into me and with the other person. I mean, it's very similar.

Everything I've, because I was raised pagan. And for me, what I always took away from it was your connection to the earth, your connection to the elements, your connection to the spirits and what came before you and honoring what came before you. And in a lot of ways, appealing to what is in nature. And if you look at old, like old Roman rites of passage and so forth, like if they had, we talked about this a little bit with the denophilia was, you know, you would sew your oats, you would literally go and masturbate onto the fields.

And you would, you know, it was, you know, it was very, a lot of it was sex-based because if you look at the old religions, it was a man and a woman and to create life, you need both. And what do you do to create life? And it was all about, you know, the animals and bringing in the spirits. And in many cultures, it was very aggressive and very violent because at that point of time, that's what life was.

It was, you eat, you drink, you fuck, you try and procreate and you die. And it was generally a short, angry life and it was a short, you know, war-torn life. But it was, it was, they would have these rituals that would bring them back to kind of center themselves. And I can see in a lot of ways with BDSM, it's similar.

If you watch a master-slave relationship and you watch normally, it was very beautiful. We had a, we had a couple here who, before they started any other scenes, he would put down a little rug and he would get on his knees and she would put his collar on him. And he would symbolically give himself to her before the scene and he would transfer all of his ownership and who he was to her. And that power exchange, you see it in the old rights, in the old magic, it's, it's a very similar thing.

If you ever watch someone, like the dancers, they're the Turkish spinners, they're the ones who dance and it's like, they literally will spin themselves into a trance. And they, one hand is up to, you know, to support, you know, to be in touch with God and the other hand is down in order to be part of the earth. And they will literally spend for hours to two hours to make anyone feel kind of, you know, kind of connected to this spiritual. But that's the thing.

It's like a lot of these things. It's, it's a lot of the, it's the same shit we're doing with BDSM. We fuck with endorphins. And if that's going to make you see God, then.

Or whatever your version is, absolutely. That's nice. Kathy, what do you think? Nothing.

Nothing. Yeah, nothing. You got a little magic finger in the booter there. I have a very, I have a disconnection to that word spirituality because I'm not spiritual.

I used to be. And I've seen a lot of scenes here in the dungeon that were very spiritual to the people who were doing them. Right. And they invariably involved ritual.

And it was bonding experience and it meant something, it really meant something to them. I obviously don't believe that it was a spiritual or magic in any way because I think that what they were doing was connecting. And if they want to label it spirituality, I think that's great. But for me personally, I don't, I, I, it's just like Abyss said, that's the chemicals in your brain doing that.

It's a, it's a sexy placebo. Yeah. And that's right. Everyone else has, you know, if you look at what was considered magic, you know, 500 years ago, it has been replaced a lot of times with the word science.

Sure. There's, there's some definition changes, but I will, I will take the middle ground on this as the non atheist and the non religionator. Yeah. I don't know religion.

I do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I'll take the middle route and I will go, Hey, you know, I look at it this way, taking the horrendous things done in religion's name out of it. If you look at them for an individual basis, if that is what helps these people feel connected and have really amazing spiritual, sexual, whatever moments, I say more power to them. placebo.

I am just saying it's a place. I don't think a placebo is a bad thing. I, because a placebo is doing something. When you have your cold, I'll give you your antibiotics and you'll make it all better.

Wait a minute. What does that have to do with a placebo? Because cold survivors says it would be a placebo. You can't treat a virus with an antibiotic.

Oh, see what you did there? That was like that. If a rooster is, if a rooster is on a roof, which way does the egg go down thing? You just try to make me stupid there.

No. You just try to make, because you don't give. You don't give antibiotics. Did I say antibiotics?

No, I suppose. No, that's what I'm saying. It would be a placebo effect. Oh, oh, oh, oh.

Wow. Now I just didn't even understand you. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make you.

Man. Boogie dumb. Boogie's not dumb. I'm sorry.

Boogie dumb. Plushie Bo. I can fuck that monster. I can fuck them on the cloud.

How many never get to fuck a celebrity? Put it in my mind. I can fuck them now. I'm just, well, they can't, our studio audience can't hear the music.

So everyone's like, I'm mountain. This is all they see us go silent and then our shoulders. They're like going in what? I love how I'm sitting there and you're sitting in your house.

I fucking need the whole mind. I am. I am. I am.

Here, wait, wait. No, move over. Step two feet to the stop there. Stop there.

Hang on. Ramon. I can fuck them all night. Now I'm looking at you.

On the cloud. Yeah, that's right. Now I'm putting you both in it. Yeah.

That's right. Oh, no. You made me fucking out. Now I just want you to put my nipple on my peephole.

And over here you, you savage. Shire your nipples and talk to me with them. I'm just unsanter. I'm just gross.

Oh, don't be butt shy with me. We've done so many wonderful butt things. Except for that one. No, no, no.

You snipped it afterwards. That made me incredibly uncomfortable. That's so bizarre. It was weird enough and then you sniffed.

Well, you get right there. Don't look at Mark like, hey, I'm going to get the support from this. Why are you just my car? Mark's throwing me out of the fucking bus.

Mark is like, uh-uh. As well, she should. What? Celebrity masturbation challenge.