The views of the book you do not necessarily reflect those of Kathy and Abyss. Here you want it the highway? I know it. I knew you were going to do something to make me look ridiculous.
It doesn't make you look ridiculous. You just look kind of... You put my head on a bok choy. Your head's on a fucking bok choy.
What do you want? People like the bok choy. You like the bok choy. I do like the bok choy.
I'm very tasty. Oh. Baby bok choy is very tasty. Jesus Christ, is this what we talk about before we get into the magic?
Yes. Bok choy. Yes. Mmm.
Thing now you want bok choy. Mmm. Sam, can you go and make Kathy some bok choy? He's like, I don't have a k I'm a kat.
Scared that your desires might be strange. Come and join the kinky world of play. And welcome to the perverted podcast, the show where we explore the adventures of the kinky lifestyle, sex and version. Recording live from the Threshold Level Lab in North Hollywood, California, and from our perverted studio, I am Hello perverts.
I'm Kathy. I'm Abyss. And I am Count Boogie and First. We have our first casualty of podcast, Spike's.
Spike's fellow bloopers. Just attacked Abyss and then died of brutal horrible death by being... Now Abyss is holding googly eyed pineapple stuffy spike. It was supposed to be a prize.
Are there toenails in that? No. No. Because I want nothing to do with it.
There are no toenails or anything but I'm just a... Alright, hold on to contraption. I'm scared. It's a pill cutter.
It's a pill cutter. And you want to hear that? You want to hear that? Yeah.
That's the sound of no reaction. Well, so now I got half because I only want 50 milligrams. No, I'm not getting low. Is that Mohimbi?
No. No, it's my agro. Are you taking my agro for the show? I am because man, I just want to be my sexual best for the show.
Oh. I don't understand what's going on and I don't want to understand what's going on. No. Well, you know, abyss and mark or maybe you're going to be hanging out a little bit after the show.
Is that what the green screen is for? And I think the green screen is up. We're testing out the green screen with some random strap on play. Actually, I just say Viagra 10 times because I'm actually going to be calling Pfizer the company and I want to get a sponsorship from Viagra.
I'm sure they're going to jump all over that. Just so I can say, this erection brought to you by Viagra. That's what I... No.
No. Don't even... That's it. Shut up.
Hey, you know what? I'm getting laid later. Fuck it. I'm starting now starting year two, show 53.
Here we are. Is everybody excited about the new year? Really? Jesus Christ, what do I need the button that says like, you know, applaud for God's sake?
It's about what our student's participation was at the beginning anyway. Absolutely. But no, it's exciting we had our one year anniversary show and party last week. It was awesome.
The show was a lot of fun. We had all the mushy reflections and stuff and we got tons of complaints about that. We didn't. I'm just kidding.
I complained. You're the only one who complained and you had the longest love fest out of all of us. Hey, we had people here. They needed to be loved on.
No, no. You told Cathy and I specifically keep the shit short? I was going to go on. I got two full long things.
I cut it down because I was going to go on. I got two long things and I cut it down because I was going to go on. Don't go on. You're just scared me, man.
You guys sold in the slavery? No, no, no. But in our excitement in the love fest of everyone in the room, I don't know. We fucked up.
Did we not say thank you to... Well, we all fucked up. Over the year, we've had a lot of perverted podcast volunteers that have helped in promoting and getting us up on FET life and sending invitations to people and stuff like that. And so I don't know if I...
I don't know if I... Just pretty much didn't mention it. I was pretty excited. I don't know any of the...
I don't know any of the... I don't know any of the... So anyway, thank you so much to the volunteers that also helped promote us and obviously all the new volunteers that have been wanting to come forward and help were actually trying to get to work in this again with our volunteers. So that's pretty exciting.
And hey, because we had the show on Saturday, where are we all supposed to be in the chat room on Monday? Nobody said anything. I think we were. We were.
We all said we were. None of us were. Maybe. I said maybe.
You're being held accountable with the rest of us. Well, we have a chat room now. No. We have a chat room now.
No. No. We was kind of doing pirate. Now I'm doing Arnold.
I don't know what's going on. But we have like 10 people today, 10 people in the chat room, including one new person, who I think just appeared. Now they're all there. Now they're responsible.
We had an Australian person in the chat. Can you believe it? It was up on Monday. You didn't believe how bubsy that is.
Oh, I was super excited. It was crazy. I'm not going to let you distract me from the fact that last Monday, before there. Sam was the only one.
Did you actually? Tell us about it because it was insane. It read the transcript. Was anyone in the chat room?
Oh. Did people show up? apologize for us it was bad wow yeah a busy bee was there page was there where everyone was everyone we know yeah pretty much all right well jesus fucking correct and do it all yeah well no this was this was because we're going into the new year we wanted to incorporate sam in a more pivotal role and you see that is you getting thrown under the bus and so and so this was a great chance for sam to come in and really strut his stuff and love take some leadership turn that around and do a job fucking yeah I was saying oh yeah but he said he's gonna be here so he'll be here to low out and you didn't show up good job sam did a great job I think all of us simile like in five minute increments like I I figured I remembered it 9 40 because I mean I've been doing it on Monday night I called you Monday no I called you cuz I was in the shower washing my hair and I'm literally like like been watching a show and I'm like the chat room and I jumped out of the shower literally called him was so big my hair and was like and it was like it was like nine forty five or something and I'm like did you did you go to the chat room and you just go shit I'm working we've been doing the show on Monday nights for 52 weeks so it was the first night off and I just didn't I yeah I was washing my hair so sorry so sorry but you know thank you to the volunteers thank you to the people who do come into the chat room the chat room's been a lot of fun and I see to to to to idiots in front of me huh what I heard what happened on my condolences thank you yeah I don't have a funeral I don't have it that's about it yeah that's our live Kathy and I were re-elected we know what it was running again but we won one more term but we won we are now we committed to one more one more year on the board of directors at threshold and you can put it to all you want to you can put it you know what I can in the UK that means fuck you so yeah so now you know to fingers up just like you put it at me it's a it's a it's a part of you yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so no we're gonna do one more year and be of service at threshold and and and then I the podcast is growing a lot so we're just gonna let someone take that over see but nobody believes that because we're all you and I are constantly saying that we're losers who have no job so I don't think that people are gonna buy no no wait till the first board blast like those out hey what happened yes I say we have job we don't we don't count you hold your folder pineapple miss miss I got a job pants for spike I'm actually my job and I need a mad man wait wait what the fuck is Jello conspiracy no what Jello conspiracy it was something I was gonna talk about but we're really far into it it's maybe we'll hold Jello conspiracy now because of the person let's just let's just hold that but it's important and it's something that's gonna fucking it's gonna fucking blow your mind blow your mind injuries death mayhem Jello you just wait okay you just wait till next week for the podcast you come back next just another day on bed life with bondage kinkin freaky sex and his free the type of things you see on bed like believe you happy or possibly her blacks I produce a lot of shit what do you want for your peace of mind please know that the author of every post we talk about has specifically granted us permission to do so and then they whine about it later oh oh because it's true because sometimes it's true not everyone you know not everyone loves how we say but you know I make it clear when I ask for anything you heard our show all right well this one is from marinam who wrote a post called the lovely lonely dungeon monitor she says being a dungeon monitor is often a thankless job I can't speak for other DMS but from my experiences it isn't a job that is fun and exciting it's work when you want to be playing it's playing big brother to people who don't think they need it is community service to a community that wants someone to do it but then doesn't like the way it's done but it's a job that someone does need to do we do need supervision among ourselves we forget to be quiet we forget or don't know the rules we need help with equipment aftercare cleaning please thank a DM for helping out and remember that they are on your side this is my DM clip right now but I will say this being a dungeon monitor isn't actually a thankless job it really isn't especially here threshold we have a really good community people who they bitch when we have to interrupt stuff but you know what and we will say that the DMS listen to our feedback like hey is there a we try and find the best way to if we have to interrupt a scene we try and do it you know as carefully as possible we get we listen to the feedback and try and bring it back to the dungeon because we all play here this is this is the place we play in love and the reason I say it's not thankless is the fact is I get to come to a club and express myself and I get to do that weekly that's my thank you so for me putting in my my amount of service to help keep the players safe and clean and all that jazz that's that's my thank you I appreciate a verbal thank you every once in a while but to be honest this that having a place and making sure it's up kept and and still standing is is the DM thank you I think the fact that we have and we've talked about this before and we're always going to talk about dungeon monitors and and people obviously we have a community where we're fortunate enough to have a lot of clubs to go to that require dungeon monitors but dungeon monitors are also people that watch out at your private parties that you have at your house like if you have people a lot of people do private play like in cities where they don't have a community or a dungeon they'll have private parties and they'll still have kind of a dungeon monitor people that will watch out and do that so it's not just in the clubs that you have dungeon monitors but I think what's really exciting as someone who's been around threshold a long time and gone to the other clubs and and heard you know kind of the word on the street people literally gravitate to threshold because of the dungeon monitors and nothing else because they want to express because they they feel like they can safely express themselves nothing's perfect you know creepers are going to be everywhere where there is plain sexuality going on but in general I have heard so many people say specifically they come to threshold because they know that people are watching out for them people watch and yes the dungeon monitors are just as fallible as any other fucking human on the planet and there have been you know questionable interruptions or people have arguments or whatever but in general our record really the amount for the type of stuff that we do the amount of instances we have where there's problems is directly a result of the fact that we have trained people that show up and they dedicate that time to make sure that everyone has the safest and most fun possible yeah and I I've been to other clubs and I've heard I don't know why but I've heard a lot of people complain about the amount of safety issues we have here men of rules the amount of things that a DM can interrupt for so I've heard both I have never however heard somebody complain about a DM or how rule crazy we are here at threshold who hasn't worked behind the scenes the minute you start working behind the scenes you start to realize how hard it is and our DMS man that is it's a job or person in dungeon monitor the shittiest job just I will I will definitely tip my hat to the door door people to cuz fucking hell that is boring and you have to put up with people that you have to put up with the type of people that you need dungeon monitors for and they come to the front door and they feel entitled and narcissistic possibly sociopathic and they those are the types of people you have to watch because the statistics are in what is it like one out of a hundred people test you know clinical psychopath or sociopath so they're out there and like she said it's playing big brother to people who don't think they need it and you really don't think you need until something goes wrong and I I told the story before so you may have heard it but I have actually been at other clubs where people start right away complaining about threshold or really complaining about any club that has a lot of rules and I will invariably interrupt and say where if you had a child who was entering into the BDSM scene and you couldn't be there to protect them where would you want them to go and the answer is no what is left laboratory they will either admit its threshold or change the subject because it's absolutely true I'm an adult I don't need DM telling what to do I don't know that's perfect we have other dungeons for you they're just not here please go fuck yourself I mean I'm serious you don't understand how awesome it is that people complain the people that complain about threshold other people that don't belong in threshold that's perfect that's why we have other dungeons where you can absolutely go they don't have dungeon monitors they allow alcohol you can have all sorts of consent violations and people jerking off on your fucking feet while you play and all the wonderful things that I've heard endless stories and seen endless stories of personally with my own eyes in places that don't have dungeon monitors I want you to go there I want you to go and have no rules and do what you can I like being a threshold because the rules push those people out who are gonna harm people so I'm happy that you don't like the rules please fuck yourself delightfully in another place and to be honest that is just one side of being a dungeon monitor the other thing I love how she touched on was it's about outreach it's about talking to newbies it's about like hey it's about making people happy as much as I hate to say it is very much if you just walk around like a cop you're not a dungeon monitor you I am one of the biggest rule mongers but you have to be able to talk to people and if there is a problem try and find a a happy medium that still applies to the rules but you can make it so that it's not it's also customer service based where you have to try and make the people unless they're complete and complete fucked hard and we've had a couple and I've had words with them but for the most part it's mostly a hey let's see if we can find another solution for this sure and also I know a lot of our rules I'm just gonna throw that out there when I've had the discussion with people I do have so many rules I'm like most of them are cleanliness and safety factors yeah I'm like the major rules that you have an issue is we don't allow breath play yeah most of the rules nobody really we still do fire play we do needles we do cutting do blood play we do hook holes we do you know there's part issue you know there's a lot of stuff there's very few things that I like to do that I can't do I mean we have a lot of edgy shit that happens here and I just I literally have like talked to people like oh you fucking rules in it and I'm like why because we make you share your space we make you clean up after yourself and we make sure that you don't kill each other yes give me a bit of this really buzzkill sorry Sam Sam Sam hey well as a DM I would like to say that I have heard thank you from participants from the people that come here and you know it is is great it doesn't happen but it does happen and so that's that's one of the things and when I'm out at other places and I hear about that people like about special is the fact is clean oh my god is it yeah we have this great janitor yeah fuck up one more year you get one more year of me but I will say to all the dungeon monitors out there a big thank you you guys do a huge service and to be honest everybody who steps up in the community everyone who puts a liner in a trash can everyone who takes the money and deals with fucking idiots who all are there for their selfish good time and they just treat you like an employee even though you're a volunteer we thank you and I'm proud to be a kinky man and the dungeon monitor is rock oh man got blessed the DM race we're gonna die I thought he went minion alright so we only have one one that was it all right good we got to suck up some DMS that's always good thanks I'll suck you up later oh is that how we sexy well that's the sound I make because I know it turns around doesn't it didn't we talk about the porn kind of like this got the little on my car who doesn't and then I got I got under my tongue right here Kathy you want see I've extra tentacles they're so I don't want to know thank you for that so Russian roulette Russian roulette are you projecting every time I'm trying to tell you something she has a revolver to say hey boogie let's play a new game we'll call it roleplay it's called the deer hunter our newest member of the perverted studio audience can pick our facial effort next okay so here's how it works fetish roulette lovely Jessica will be picking a random piece of paper that has a filia or fetish on it and then next week I will go into our perverted podcast library and study this and we will talk about and you're dropping it what is that Pocahontophilia the fuck is that I literally she pulled it and I'm all I can't pronounce it I think knows what these are sort of I did it most of these I really don't know what these are it's a temp no filia Eptem it sounds like it like Eptem app Tim Nophilia I'm reading it I'm just apt him what I mean what's I have no clue what's next week I look over at a teaming getting eight shots gorilla is getting shot it's a failure no no I don't take care of your kids get the gorilla I get the girl up get the fuck out no we're not going we're not going to the fucking gorilla no I got fucking shot eight eight eight filia shooting push the button yeah the views of you do not necessarily reflect those of Cathy the best yay I got a button sometimes we just want to talk about shit so here it is a random host topic bitches I love that one wait do we have an intro for that no that is that was the intro it's a host topic is just a host saying we want to talk about shit so that's yeah it's my time yay are you cuddling with spike actually I can't actually I like our spikes right hanging loosely by the value of Jeff course that's where you would know that okay so coming out and not going well oh that's no yeah recently a friend of the show had a unceremoniously forced outing to her parents which always goes well it just goes parents are always understanding and supportive self-actualized and the house and the details they don't matter at the end of the day a person's privacy was violated and she was made to feel shamed and sad over what she was when everything was then done the friend felt better not because her family supported her and was completely cool with everything she did because they weren't but because she now knew where she stood and she reached out to other kinky folks in her time of need and this kind of popped into my head no matter where you are in the kink community and I use this as a loose thing and it could be a lot better you know this is the kink community anyone who is currently listening you are currently in a kink community the one thing we all have in common is we can empathize with this person because it's unless you are that very small percentage of folks who know that your family is completely cool with everything you do you can have sympathy for this situation it is the one thing that binds us the feeling of being judged and rejected by because of who we are and that is the one thing that I really took out of it was she was in an area where she was she was away from our kinky family out here she was you know she didn't have her normal supports of the people she had built her kink without here she so she was kind of stranded like stranded so she reached out to people she knew who were kind of kinky and they helped her work through it and not feel alone and not feel like she was some depraved awful person and it kind of made me think like that's something in the community if you're a kinky person that is something that I feel like by carrying the kinky card that is also something you should be able to if someone is hurting like that that's everybody has that core that they have felt this way that they know how you feel because there are people who are still not out who you know if it came out they would be screwed flat out so I think it's important that if you are in a situation to always have a plan B like to be honest support center it it it a lot of people basically feel that if I don't have my face out there or whatever this is never gonna come out I mean realistically someone can find a crop in your car and you're not gonna be able to work your way out of it so or a mutual friend or whatever so a lot of really good ways to try and find community and I don't normally say this but even that fell like there is enough people out there if you scream like holy shit I am you know I'm having a hard time you're felt like friends will you know if you've made any kind of connections there will be able to send love and support munch is there's the one thing if you go to a munch in your in the middle of a crisis because of something like you just needed to get out of the house because your parents have gone through all your shit and found your membership card and are now berating you and basically saying that they're gonna you know throw you to the wolves you know you can go to a munch and every single person there can at least give you a glass of water and a pound on the shoulder because they know where you've been I think I've talked to a lot of people about this not this instance but just in the years that I've been here this this comes up a lot and I try to get people to prepare themselves because when people have like you as you get to know people that you'll you'll find out who has problems with their family and who what fell all might be either you always find out who has something to hide from their family or work or whatever and people are usually pretty good about that because they want to make sure that you are on the same team of supporting their confidentiality and because that's obviously a big deal in our community so we don't have these kind of out of left field accidents that just happen whether maliciously or non maliciously most outings occur just out of ignorance but I like to really try to prepare people because they know they don't want to be out into their family but they haven't run through the scenario and I think part of what you're talking about is making yourself a plan if we have right now perverted podcast listeners that have something to lose or they know their families not gonna understand what's going on this is the time now before that accident happens is to run through your game plan what kind of support do you have what are you emotionally prepared for the fact that the people that you really thought loved and supported you might all of a sudden have their own fears insecurities resembe and narcissism explode and they take it out on you because that's what happened in this situation this was people who were not secure with themselves thought they had a better relationship with their daughter thought they knew their daughter better than they actually knew their daughter and so now they had they got smacked themselves with this information that fucks up their whole script of how they thought life was gonna work and other than take it out on the daughter you need to kind of prepare for those things you need to be able to think through and not take that personally because at that moment if you are rejected or they start going we got to go to therapy or you're sick or you're disturbed you have to understand that moment this is not about you this has nothing to do with you this has to do with somebody else not accepting themselves so they have to judge you and try to find some way well obviously you're broken because as the parent I did the right job I raised you correctly according to my script and if you are outside of that script you're the one that's broken not me when in fact what that says loud and clear is they're the one with the issue they're with the one that cannot look past that they are a parent they are a family member they have been around you for your whole life and they can't accept this part of you or at least react in a loving way that is a 100% diagnostic that it's their issue that their love is that conditional and that's okay which that's another thing that it's okay if that happens it sucks but you have to make a plan for yourself who am I is a person am I okay as a person regardless of who believes in me after these things come out and part of like my battle cry on this is it's not just the individual making your plan this is also a reminder to everybody who's kinky that hey guys we've all been there so someone is hurting please be available you know if you're in a bunch and you see someone going through this you know on a core level you've been there and it's okay for you to tell that person your experience and say hey you know I'm you know I'm right here even if it's for the only for the next half an hour I've been there and traumatic I mean I mean I've so many people have Kathy have you seen just leave I they just don't well yeah I mean I've had one a girl that I was playing with and she was so excited so excited and like oh my god this is I knew this was important and I knew there were good people that did this and I feel safe and I feel protected this is amazing and she was so excited that she had to tell her brother that she trusted better than anybody and the brother not only turned on her but went to the whole family and told the whole family and bye bye that was the end of it it's heartbreaking you know so but but that's part of the reality of having any type of alternative desires or lifestyle that people aren't gonna understand and I like that that's where you both are going with it this is a reality this is gonna happen prepare yourself yeah no have some kind of exit strategy how you're gonna deal with it and it's hard to dampen someone's enthusiasm when when as you said they realized for the first time they're okay and there are people who are sane and and normal and are doing this stuff and you get it you go a little crazy and that's probably the time when you should be the most careful and yeah well and I think it's good to have that foundation for your own personal exit strategy and so forth but it's also like it's a kind of a reminder to the community to be compassionate to those people who like we've all been there yeah shitty topic sorry guys but nothing good I know let me just just let me just trombone over the show now that's what the whole topic is that we do yeah everybody's down now he's people had a handle this shit well you know what after hearing this maybe there's some people out there that get stuck in this and they just they remember that you do have support and we're here you can email us for broadcast a Gmail dot com we've gotten these emails plenty of times and we'll do our best to be there for I mean we are community want we want you to know that whatever you do you know if your parents ship you off to Iceland or whatever just know that you are leaving with love and support from rational people who know that you're okay whatever the outcome is you just need to know that being kinky is okay you're okay I'm okay you're you're okay well I have issues far far beyond kinkor BDSM as poor marks you had to deal with a man a capacitor earlier but you know what I don't think any of that matters right now really because this is show 53 we're into our second year perverted podcast and you know what that means and to delete all listeners with your feature orgasm you like got into that one drums weren't enough you had to pound the desk okay I'm not gonna give the big intro like I did because we're now this is a regular segment because our perverted podcast listeners are joining in the celebration of the female orgasm and they are now sending in their orgasms and perverted podcast listeners dedicated perverted podcast listeners king and princess and chad room attendee took the challenge and basically just quick back up this is a lot of women have been shamed over their orgasms not being this or that or whatever and we just want to play your orgasm loud soft however whatever your sounds are and just celebrate that and it's enjoyable plus it's sexy so this was sent in by princess oh did you just have an orgasm or aneurysm was that a spank I heard yeah can I just say how hot that was that was that was I was one big thank you to the king and princess oh I just love him to death they need to come here with hunger yeah did the blue light not work the blue lights out sound could you please pull the book pulled a little cord we've tried all that oh and some what's going on in the chatroom is king in there King is it King yes King is yeah did you tell me just play you tell him he is very aware tell him we said goddamn good show yes yes oh he might be coming out to this area later this year oh that's cool that would be amazing oh that's can I just also say that that orgasm that mp3 they sent us was a lot longer than that oh that was a long fucking orgasm it was like she worked it two minutes long and you had to pare it down to yeah it was a it was wonderful I'm just I you know what this is what excites me okay not just that this person is able to celebrate themselves and we can celebrate part of their sexuality they sent us wonderful letters how King has really helped them recharge their marriage and their relationship together so that's very exciting but what's really kind of exciting is that I've never met these people in my life and they shared this with us and with the show and they said perverted motherfucking podcast I got two other ones I'm not playing them today we're gonna do this monthly unless you know we have in house orgasms those we can pretty much have all the time that's really cool that was awesome so if you have a cell phone with a record option on it and you want to share your featured orgasm with us on the perverted podcast please send your featured orgasm to perverted podcast at gmail.com and be a part of the celebration of your sexuality and it's just fucking hot and the Viber is gonna kick in take a look at that Did you just try and take a peek at his junk to see what's going on down there? Give me some warning so I can't look it's just bulbous all right so I don't even know how to respond to that we could do that every show all show I'd be probably happy sometimes love is less than nice you may need some fucking advice right now it's really important that we remind you that none of us here are therapists I am I am not a therapist if you need therapy for real please get it seriously yes and please don't I am ask me a question I will give you my answer all right this is your magic therapy therapy therapeutically that's what it is who was it cuddly giraffe sent us a question I love that name the Cuddly giraffe it's so cute well this was a very long email so I will summarize she called she emailed us to ask us our advice on how to stop being a virgin I guess that would be there what she's at one hundred heartland no California no like a service lab because you're the right I did because I had a thought that that would have made you push it up okay so she how would she have forget anybody okay no she's a virgin like virgin across the board she's never held hands with anybody she's never kissed anyone and she is kinky as all kinds of kinky desires and is finding that one of two things are happening either people find out and are excited but then at the last minute punk out or they don't want to touch her with a 10 foot pull right from the beginning because it's too much pressure she had also mentioned in this that she was also kind of aggressive that she it came off like people didn't like it she was very forward about this that's what I got from it I think part of it too was I think she was having issues with the fact that when she said she was a virgin what would play in a lot of the guy's head is the frail virgin oh I'm a delicate flower I only wear white I can't get my pencil sturdy and then she comes off as aggressive and it fucks up their whole like yeah which is fine that's what ballgax for wow I'm on over very aggressive flowering here kinky what do you how do you divergentize a kinky person you fuck them that's what you do or I would advise maybe try and start with the candles holding hands knack it sounds like to me okay and remember this is not I am not a therapist and I'm generally kind of an asshole but it sounds like we've got some maybe connection issues and maybe some maybe she should actually go see a therapist about some of this because she said she has a hard time actually even if you have a hard time holding hands with somebody that sounds like there might be kind of an issue some intimacy issues but if you well in all fairness if you haven't had any real intimacy with another person you're going to have intimacy issues because you don't know how to be intimate with someone okay I'll say most girls most girls will hold hands with their girlfriends like it have no problems with it it's children hold hands it's a it's a natural thing like this is it's an intimacy if she can't even hold hands with another human being maybe she's a jerkful get some hand sanitizer I have a couple things I have a couple things to you all right I have a friend she's 25 and is still a virgin okay and her issue is it's really without knowing much more about this case we can't really tell what the problem is but I do know that my friend's issue is that she she's very picky and she holds that bar so because they're gonna be your first I think it actually is gonna be the right person that's part of it but the other part of it is that my friend has this ridiculously high standard for who she thinks she has to be with and it is a very narrow that could be part of it what is she looking for the other thing is if she is I'm assuming that she's not near a kinky group because if she were all I would take is one trip to a dungeon to get to know people that you can at least hold hands with yeah hold hands maybe I'm not saying you're gonna jump into the sack with the nearest person pervy person you meet but I did but there's a general relaxed attitude when it comes to intimacy and hugging and maybe she doesn't have that but if she does that is an excellent way to begin or even kinky aside you can start vanilla this sounds like intimacy just you need to find a connection I would like to address her actual things things you guys both have a giant is and you don't understand oh I'm sorry the vagina doesn't understand the other vagina issue no you don't because she's looking for dick she's not looking for vagina so I'm just breaking over there again what's going on you want to you want to help me you want to do a I full-tower on this check you want to fucking rotisserie chicken or you're just breaking shit all right I'm turning his mic off he can't do what do you got what do you got under tears while I'm breaking things okay good normal yeah we've got an answer you saying you know that he believes it's definitely easier for women and there's a whole argument about what's going on so yeah all right now let me bring this home let me bring this home as as a dude who has all of these issues first of all I know I come off as a pig you be as picky as you need to be and you take as much time as you want you have to understand that there's a consequence for having unrealistic standards because you haven't been with a man so you don't understand there's not a large fucking selection of awesomeness among dudes so you may have to lower your standards a little bit but in general if this is something that you have held on to and your virginity is something that's special to you then go ahead and fucking own it and let it be special take as much time as you need to and find that just know that slim pickings among men you may wait a little bit while so I always say that you can you can wait if that's that's your priority and your vagina you know make it make it special to you from the guys point of view there's a few there's a few things that are going on here I completely agree with abyss on the idea that you fuck up the fantasy when you're aggressive because there's a lot of guys like me who I like submissive women or I like them to be submissive sexually so of course when someone is sexually aggressive I just doesn't work for me but that's not all men there are a lot of men out there who like a little bit of a fight they like a you know someone to be more dominant or whatever so there are people that won't have as much problem with you being a little more aggressive and dominant if it's the type of personality that I'm thinking where you're kind of throwing you're kind of just letting people know I'm a virgin and I don't want to be a virgin anymore that comes off as desperate and I don't do desperate because then that lowers my self worth so if you come off as more confidence someone's like yeah I'm a virgin and I'm just waiting you know for the right one and then have conversations and here who I am as a person and I'm a good person and I do this and you have some confidence you now become attractive you now put yourself back into that attraction level but most dudes don't like desperate chicks most most dudes are that equality enough to take your virginity don't like desperate chicks so if you act desperate then that may be one of the problems that you're having the other conflict is yes the fantasy is great in the beginning that yeah I'm gonna take this girl I'm gonna take her but there are a lot of men once again the quality of man that maybe you're looking at to take your virginity has some thought in the back of his head that this is a responsibility for the rest of my life I'm going to have this title in your life that I took your virginity and that puts pressure and makes them ask themselves am I good enough to take someone's virginity is this something that I'm right it's just a piece of skin you're right I'm getting just a little panicky listening to these are the types of things you think about well if you treat your virginity like something to get rid of like a fucking war then yeah but you know what to some people this is still especially people that have hyper religious backgrounds and things like that there is a lot there's a lot of social pressure there's still parts of the world where they'll fucking kill you you know this isn't one of those and also virginity I'm not saying that the first time shouldn't be special I'm not saying that I'm not just saying jump on a dick to get rid of it but honestly virginity is putting it at the super high tier the reason historically they did that is for your value of sale as a woman when you went into your marriage contract it was to make sure you were a virgin so your price was higher for your family so for to have that much fucking shit on it that just pisses me off it should be special because the first time you actually allow someone to enter you it should be special but to put it as this high fucking pillar is bullshit sorry but if you do then you get to own whatever you are and I totally respect your opinion that you don't give a fuck about it but you were also very young when you got rid of yours so as you go older and older and older and older it is you start to get more and I've done this sexually and I know a lot of people have done this actually for me it was the same thing I had tons of girls that wanted to fuck me before I was 17 years old when I finally horribly lost my virginity and there was girls that you know they were the slats and they just like sex and they're like I want to fuck you and I'd be like I know I gotta have this little thing I gotta work out my head that it's got to be this person and it's got to be special and so I had it as a as a kid I'm not saying that it shouldn't not be special and I know but it's but if you if you for all of the women that I have heard tell me of their virgin I have never had a virgin I've literally never had a virgin don't really care don't need one but because it's a lot of responsibility but I'm gonna ask actually real quick because this whole responsibility do you do you have any ties to your first lover no do you do you it's a responsibility of the memory of knowing that you don't want to be because I have heard so many women talk about their first asexual experience with intercourse in a negative way because it was bad because it was bad so guys we have performance anxiety it's also if it's a virginity issue it's gonna hurt unless you're a masochist it doesn't feel good you are well you're tearing skin ah no not necessarily you're not tearing skin I mean if you're an actual virgin you are no well you got rid of that the first time you put in a tampon I mean it's the first time you wrote a horse or exactly no that's not in the stuff they're remote control and you're pussy because you were horny what what how many people huh no what what a remote control well if it's there it's long it looks like phone that can vibrate see now you're thinking I'm just now you're thinking I'm just a rapid in a saran wrap or something first because now it's a lot of opinions and a lot of reasons things could go wrong and I hope that one of the things we said helps cuddly giraffe start with intimacy despite what you've heard here by sending your relationship sex questions are 100 words or less to provide a podcast I'll please put the word advice on the subject line oh my we will ruin your life and our you're in another game what now I've an announcement to make wow did you tell her is this really the last one it's the new year we've been doing this this was the we did this bit can't we just stop we don't have to do it now I wrote this one we all wrote it well I'm so happy we've been doing this literally we did we did an oily bad wrap on the first perverted podcast episode so we've done it for a year so I forgot and I'm like writing the thing and I'm like you know we've done this for a year it's the next year we should start doing new things I'm not saying every now and again we won't we won't we won't because we got the groove you guys are so excited oh you've just been waiting watch we're gonna get hoards the people complaining going bring back a doingly bad rap doing it I know exactly who would be saying it they go bingo well our last annoyingly bad wrap we are going to make this as annoying so that way nobody wants us to bring it back I will say though I have had fun doing the annoyingly back some really good Kathy tends to bring home the bacon so of course you know so let's just make this so bad we had someone emails and said can you please wrap about pervy vampires which I'll you wrap up purvey pirate not pervy man all right so who wants to go first last first last Kathy people just don't know how hard it is for me it's really hard being a vampus pervy on my fetish is biting and that's okay till they see my teeth and stream turn and run the other way stupid pointy teeth always putting up a block I can't nibble on your clit I can't go down on your cock if I accidentally slip or sucked too hard we could end up in the ER and that's awkward if I were into cutting needle player blood I would be the hottest ramp in my fat neighborhood but the sad truth is this to admit it isn't easy the sight of all that blood leaves me kind of queasy two more two more to go two more to go street map yeah more street poetry here's you a bit left the beast a bit left the beast months ago and we now just call it's a copy she's kind of caught I could literally pull out bongos and just go do that do it do it man do do you know who doesn't like a little bite and nibble but this bitch took it way too literal we started making out I wrote her face she moved her mouth away from my happy place her teeth were grazing my inner thigh she had this weird smile that made me want to cry her eyes went red her head went back and like a snake she was on the attack my tail doesn't end in sorrow because my fist went back and punched that bitch into tomorrow sometimes you just have to pop a girl in the head if you're trying to fuck the undead violence towards women encouraged all the time on Liberty podcast and likewise all right I was at a party in this chick rolled up she had long sharp fangs and a big old but she said I'm a vampire and I like to get freaky I'm gonna spread your blood on my walls like graffiti something in my head said to avoid this whole but I'm drunk and I'm horny so bitch let's go she took me to her cave and started sucking my dick it fell real good until she bit the tip I scream like a girl but I didn't make her stop she drank my blood from my dick every single drop now we're both empires having kinky fun I put garlic in her pussy cuz the burn makes her come oh that's pretty and that is our show thank you threshold for providing this reverted playground for us to play in and you're in the Los Angeles surrounding areas is a special dot org and find out about joining their kinky family thank you to everybody in the chatroom and to ungar our moderator and to mark and to Sam and Jessica and Jessica thank you boogie and thank you a bit thank you Kathy if you have questions comments or ideas please what's so happy Sam totally produce that moment why did you guys do this thing you guys did book up sorry if you have questions come with ideas leave emails at perverted podcast at gmail dot com and visit the record for the podcast dot com and finally show 53 is now done we are in the second year having great times really great times ahead lots of bits lots of fun thank you guys so much we're listening and we will see you next week how's your day I don't know why don't you come over here and rub it now okay I don't know what to do but don't run and scrub it wait till we leave annoyingly bad rap rest in peace