Show 56 "Communication Meltdown"

Are you guys ready everyone ready? Show is for mature audiences only listener discretion is advised and if you don't like it, please go fuck yourself What do you feel your sex life is quite lame? Scared that your desires might be strange come and join the kinky world of play Hello and welcome to the perverted podcast the show where we explore the adventures of the kinky lifestyle sex and damn sweltering warm perversion Recording live from a sweltering threshold love lab in North Hollywood, California friend of our perverted studio audience. Hello perverts I am Kati I am count boogie and abyss So we here we are show 56 the love lab is only slightly less sweltering than it was Last week we do have a small AC unit that I coughed up 400 bucks for and it cools just enough to have Kathy And I look at each every time we look at each I'm not gonna do it cuz every time we do it happens Fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck yourself.

You can't you just do the fuck up it? What what what I leave for a week and this is what happens This is your fault abyss we blame you entirely this is completely your fault So you are acting like children when I'm not there exactly like we know wait, I completely Just excited that it works because last I mean you were explained where where you have been this I have been at a medieval fighting event for a week Be the crap out of you I am covered in non-consensual process what who the fuck been in you? Oh Damn it that is she leaves the state to leave our dynamic. That's pretty much what she she does because it's not cheating when you're on vacation I saw that a club med article or something.

Yeah, that's pretty much it. Well abyss we do have you here And you didn't get to do I guess you were in a car last time trying to Skype in from your campground I was that that did not work. That was very sad at all. We just sat here to get a bison our test run worked I don't know what happened well actually you're pretty clear right now I'm actually very excited about the fact that we can actually hear you and you are now live with us From thousands of miles away, which of course makes my little engineering nipples hard so uh, so uh, it's always your genitals There's always something going on behind that desk whether you've just taken by a gun I'm just gonna fucking rub my cock looking at you Ha ha see you got in trouble you can't you don't want to do faces a butt What's the what's the word what is it?

Oh the board says potato mayhem and but Jason but Jason the budget is in okay? So abyss you you couldn't hear it sounds German but Jason my guys and so I coined a new term I don't know if I told you of a jison, which is the point of view that you have while you're eating pussy looking all the way up the body Very exciting. I love abyss is which is amazing and so we talked about that in the last show. Well, um, oh You didn't put the names of the people that called Jenny and Jacob Jenny and Jacob Email and say oh my god.

We love the show. It was great. We're listening and so we love the jison We've been laughing about it, and they're like well what would the male version what would the point of you from second to dick B And so they actually spent their time pondered it around and they came up with with this are you ready? So if you're second to dick and you're looking out over the dude, it's the peanut rama That's good.

I like it. I believe it was Jenny who came up with it. Yeah, I think yeah Let's give it to credit like a man Just keep that woman down I get a bit of this wait wait. Are you breaking up?

Are you breaking up? I think you're breaking up abyss get your finger off that button Do you want to do my celebrity master? You do you just shut up? Whatever all right, so we had our midweek party yes, we did and it was amazing which the perverted podcast midweek party at threshold we Co-sponsor it with threshold, but it's basically our gig you and I we do it bogey we handle it And I just want you to know so we actually get a little bit of money because we host this party Because we said we weren't gonna host anymore parties because Kathy and I already host 800 threshold parties for free That's right.

That's the number 800 eight hundred a month So we said we'll do this party because people want it But we need some we need some we need to split for everybody Which we do that with some other people who promote parties that we don't have to handle at the club so our first party check this out The bister you ready I am are you ready to hear how much money perverted podcast raised to buy perverted podcast stuff with are you sitting down on your Bruised non-consensual other people touching your ass other than me ass Yeah, thirty two dollars fifty cents. Oh 50 we're gonna go a long way on that money my god. That's that would pay for SoundCloud that would for one month and that's about it But you know what that's awesome. I'm excited.

No, we'll build the party. It was actually really good party It was our first one so and people did show up and a lot of people played and there was perversion So so we'll keep doing that so if you're in the area. It's the midweek party. It's the third Third Wednesday of the month is every third third.

I believe so third. Well, we don't even know what our own party is Alright, and what else we're gonna. Oh, I wanted to talk abyss Obesexy you sound interested. I know are you you're not playing with your little dragons game.

Are you? No, she has the what is it the how to train your dragon? Oh, you should get playing on her laptop This is is obsessed with those those games that you like feed the baby dragon and like It's baby dragons. I don't look what a fuck one night And like she feeds some eggs and stuff like that and you shoot a full of heroin and then they're like junkies Then they become co-dependent and you're like hey bitch you want your fucking dragon fix you got a fucking suck my dick And so it's like a whole thing that she does.

Yeah, I don't think that's accurate I feel like that is not an accurate representation. That's my dragon skills. Wow. What you keep this shit from?

I'm it's hot. Yeah, it's hot. So all right, so last thing we were gonna talk about is we are now perverted podcast We have a lot of volunteers and people don't want help we are now actually auditioning for Perve on the street, you know, they call it in radio. They call the guy on the street But that's obviously some type of girl whatever, but perverted podcast We have a perve on the street and what that means is we give you a microphone a little recorder thing that we have and you go to events and The pink stick of magic thing the pink stick is awesome.

It is cool And so we're gonna have people go to some events like carnival with threshold and you know Maybe Dom Con and you know some of those things and actually, you know talk to people about perverted podcast and get questions about sex and weird You know funky things so we are actually taking I think personally I just want to draft him on the show what you guys think about Hollywood daddy doing that Like I mean just like he just has to wear that fucked up Hawaiian shirt of his and the feather bowline just be all hey man With perverted podcast you want to say some shit and you notice that when he volunteers sometimes at one of our events He'll show up with pictures of himself and hand them out to people. Oh like it is ass Well, maybe we can discourage from doing that, but I think it'd be funny if he did Now we're bailing Hollywood daddy out of jail for perverted podcast. Thank you the 3250 that we made now goes with bail bonds for a Hollywood daddy Glory to Jesus. So that's all the stuff like that So I guess we'll just slip into abyss trying to sneak out of Celebrity fucking fuck them now abyss That you were gonna get away with it.

I didn't job this I tried you tried all right So Kathy and I did our celebrity masturbation challenge Kathy had who'd you have Seth Rogan Seth Rogan? That's right. Did you miss you didn't even hear Kathy actually orgasms with her fantasy? I did So it took nine months, but she made the path and now you know We'll see if she's on that so we're just gonna sit back and why don't you go nice and clearly get up to your microphone If you can and let us know what was your celebrity masturbation challenge from last week You do realize my microphone is like my tablet and I basically already chewing on it.

So chewy tablets So mine was Seth Green Seth Green the guy from Austin Powers. Yeah, and in my case it was for any of the 90s kids know that he was on Buffy the Vampire Slayer so he played the werewolf There wolf Oh, yeah The vampires later over the thing sure she was hot wasn't that Michelle Gallagher fucking Huntsville or something like that what? Whatever we're just trying to get some continuity here Okay, that's not gonna happen. No, sorry go ahead So I'm you know I was camping so I'm like alright, but we can pull this out.

We can do this we could we could try So I started going through my fantasy and I you know I thought characters So it was very much the character that he played on Buffy the vampires layer And so it's like this whole romance thing and it's like very primal and it's at the other but I Try fun fact when you are camping at a medieval event. It's not quiet. Oh There are people standing outside your tent Meet him fighting and basically wondering where the fuck you are Or hey, did you want any of this food or any what are you coming out? What are you doing?

Fucker Though it did not happen. Did you get any around? So what was he doing? Was he just Being trying he was trying were you talking him or him topping you?

Oh, you have a robot chicken moment with them or something Did all of a sudden like claymation come out of his pants? Oh gross. Did you want to like are you driving this fantasy? All right, sorry, sorry, no, no just be just go more discreet I'm trying let me know it didn't happen.

I tried it was it was in very much more of a romantic thing the character He played was kind of a softy. He was very sweet. He was a you know He was a werewolf, but he was very he was like a funny kind of quirky guy kind of the nerd on the show And he was I was the person I was attracted to so I was trying to go from more of a sensual thing You know to quote mark a sensual Dom But it was it was very nice. I tried there was there was some arousal and then people kept bothering me and like knocking on my tent So I'm just surprised you didn't get your sword and go be the crap out of them I'm amazed you even got started.

Well the con is trying to masturbate Leave the con to their time No, it did not happen we tried and it yeah fun fact when you're on a medieval event We have found that you know not great for a brilliant podcast Well next year, I'm sure what a big antenna to put on your head or something Put a big antenna in her bottom or this But I do unfortunately I'm gonna have to call it a quits I'm not gonna be able to hate the whole show because it is three hours ahead and I'm exhausted What she's fine with that connection devil woman Tomorrow mister. Oh, all right. I am picking you up here. You and Kathy are gonna have to carry the show whatever We're gonna kill each other really fuck you can fuck yourself fuck you asshole Leave anyone listening to the show for the first time is like what's the drop?

What would you say? Grab the spray bottle and squirt you both every time you start like trying to attack each other mark don't you dare? I'm like on it. She's not a spray bottle.

Don't you dare. I will eat your soul. All right, let the poor child go Alright, everybody let's all give kisses as Eddie Good night kisses go Ramon That's more like stroke kisses Alright, baby, you get a good night sleep and I I'll pick you up tomorrow night at the airport be ready be ready for my loving Oh my god got two weeks away from you. I got a boner with your name on it I got a boner with your name on it.

I'm girl I expect actually see a boner with my name on it I'm doing it market the market. I'm doing it Do we have something that's non-toxic because it'll be like totally hot like I have a book her name on my boner And she'd be like I that could be a UTI or some bullshit And I'm like it's non-toxic shut up and bend over that did you get for fucking a nurse man? All right, baby, you have a good night's sleep. Thanks for joining us I think you said give mark a big kiss in the smack me.

All right tongue in her ass for you. Oh, she's smiling All right, baby I'm Is there anything going on in the chat room? There's five gas in the chat room with me. Oh my god.

Oh, you did not Are you food around the corner character tonight? It is not Satan he's a flea. Oh my god. This is awesome Fuck Your piece of mind please know that the author of every post we talk about has specifically granted us permission to do so didn't they as Get between your legs, baby Oh, yeah, nice and now this gets to come back find out my On that thing there you go there you go get in your mouth get in your mouth picture.

It's your daddy It's a stroke blowjob and stroke make out what's going on in this side of the room It's the heat it's all the good news is is you are damn near naked are we gonna get to spanking later if you're gonna be naked? Well, I mean I am near naked damn your naked good We are Cathy will you spank as later? I'll spank up. Oh, that's great mark.

I've never done that mark Yeah, this is a thing now turn around hold on your pants show me your butt You're not talking away. Oh lovely. No. No, she moved over here.

Thank you very much good girl Go back go back to the chat room. It was famous man. You just stop a show so that you can look at her asshole Yes, yes, I do so what I'm on and this is actually your show and All right, so we got fed life and we got actually wrote the post we're gonna be talking about it This is the first right we've never had someone sitting here who wrote the post we're about to discuss well because we kind of put our foot In her mouth, so it's a good thing. What's good not nerve-wracking at all.

No, don't worry about it. You're your your friends. You know you're okay here So we asked are we said come on the show let's talk about this awkward this awkward moment and thing But what one of the things before we start in this so I want the proper podcast listeners to be paying attention to is a lot of our listeners Don't have a community And that's why they listen because we're like the circus that we are and all the people that come down and they're Monetty and as an Unger and mark and all the people that come down this is our community and we share our community with you and show how we Work and we talk about how we work and one of the things that we do in our community that makes us stronger and makes us better friends and better players Is conflict resolution because sometimes there's feelings. We're all here together.

We're working out as a community Well personality conflicts in considerate things said Actual angry thing, you know We have feelings and sometimes things are done said whatever and even though things may not be a big deal It's really important that we say hey There was a feeling here and we acknowledge that feeling and we either laugh about it or talk about it and then move on And so this is one of those things yes, we all play and work together. It's important that we get along and we consider it very important That's why we've been here for so long so let's go Let's go let's go into as a you know boogies had usually explodes when I talk you know quote a lot of it But I had no choice we have to talk about this post so as said throw your eyes at me She says I was listening to a podcast a day and at 14 minutes 23 seconds Something was said completely off a cuff with a laugh that made me sit up straight in my seat like I'd been slapped There was no malice in it It was an offhand remark But they had insulted something that I do something that I put my time into volunteering to maintain and try to make better And wow that sucked this is a labor of love the whole blood sweat and tears of keeping our community what it is no matter Where you go there are people volunteering all for the love of kink the love of community and the love of the people in it I'm simply asking that you all think a moment and think about the things that others do to keep our community alive There are people behind everything you see I don't need to be acknowledged or rewarded for the things that I do but I do them and I am proud of them and why we may not want to hear Thank you hearing wow the food is shit tonight or this place isn't that impressive or did they advertise for this at all? It gives us the sad gives us the sad indeed with pandas sad pandas Don't be mad me for tearing apart your bones and just quoting certain people no I've read way more than I was Expected I'm sure you're gonna do it so okay, so at 14 seconds I said something like our own threshold website is not that great which in and of itself seems like a kind of a nine statement Is just my opinion and it's not meant to hurt anybody on the other hand it was said in a public forum It was said about someone I know and it was said really about a colleague and it was that if Yes, which is what I hear and that's one of the things people also forget about is tone and everything What you do because that's what I took away from it more than the words is the the laughing the chuckling me Gosh, that's crappy Yeah, and so as works on the website that was slammed and said was shitty And just forgot to say except as is work on it has been really great so and But you and I talked at length about this because really When you make a statement like that what you're saying is or at least what I know what I was saying was We have had all kinds of problems with this website long before as got here And when I made a statement like that it wasn't saying and boy as really does a shitty fucking job with this website It was I just had it with the married of people that have come through It's never what we want it to be it is disappointment after disappointment money for being thrown at it good money after bad And it is frustrating as hell But I'm gonna say that I do a lot of work here at threshold I do a lot of the food for the events I run all the membership and if somebody were to say to me even in an off the cuff and I'm way Can't you know the food isn't that great here? Oh my god I would jump down their fucking throat and say that you fucking do the food I'm out of here I would be so pissed off so I fully understand as this point of view and I guess we I just forget that we're on the podcast here And you mean a bit as we sit here talking and I just Self-righteous assholes exactly so here's what I took away from it and you had said hey I'm not looking for a poor me, you know kind of thing and I I'm shaking my head is no everyone can hear me yes.

Oh yes. No, yes, yes The point I took away for because I saw that and I'm like and I went and listened because I had no idea And I'm like well I think you're talking about perverted podcast and then I went and listened and I was like ah And in that moment Far beyond the situation in what was said about the threshold website Was an awareness that this is what not only I do but people do in general And that's the kind of throw the baby out with the bathwater thing I'm so quick because I'm an angry hateful person which works on the podcast, you know being an asshole And some people are very offended and they send fucking letters and then they never listen again, which okay That's that's part of doing this type of podcast but sometimes in our rush to Show our intensity and passion for our displeasure about things companies organizations TV programs music all of these things were very quick to blurt out the negative fuck that that sucks without ever considering the fact that Somebody you know if there's 20 people involved on a team Maybe some of them didn't suck maybe some of them are just now being lumped in because their hands were tied Which in this case I fully believe with the website That's what it is you handle the front end on the website and do the graphics and stuff like that And the problems that were occurring was the back end and and those types of things So I started thinking of all these different examples of times where I just self-righteously just fucking fuck that fucking fuck time Warner Cable fuck Time Warner Cable over and over because they fucked us here threshold time Warner Cable fuck them They're a piece of shit company worst fucking company. I've ever worked with in my life now That is the feeling and the exaggeration but the reality is is time Warner Cable as shitty as 90% of the people were to us There was one guy on the phone Stan who worked there who was actually very nice and actually went the extra mile I made some phone calls and at least tried to help us So when you throw a blanket statement and say fuck that whole organization There's one guy that's sitting there or one gal that's sitting there And that's like I'm not responsible for this You're making you're taking the thing that I do every day and you're slamming it and it's like that just and I thought of so many other Examples of things that I just hate on without realizing Hey, you know, that's a team effort and maybe by arrogantly like voicing my displeasure for that that that you're actually harming someone And that was a perfect example When you pointed out hey, I work on the site that you just insulted me That I'm also gonna say well, it's not everything that you guys wanted to be for someone stumbling off the street It's got the information they need it's got the pictures they want to see and still working trying to find a plug-in for that 360 shit Oh, yeah, that would be great and it but it's Russian is all held you but it's I still got the good information that they're looking for it Yeah, and again, it's a it's a tunnel we get tunnel visions a tunnel vision view of what I wanted and it's got maybe 50% I want to want what I want and all I'm concentrating on is that 50% I don't have exactly you know And like what you said, we make blanket statements and it ends up hurting people and when it's people we don't know we can just Brush it off and yeah, but it's a friend and we work with you You know there are lots of times here where I have to work with boogie boogie. Yes, I work with me and we are each other's nerves I don't know you're talking about you just move my whole point.

Yeah, I love you. I get any pretty eyes. See you're not sad You're messing with my head man. Yes.

Go ahead. I'm sorry You just turn my head with compliments So I think I think as far as the lesson because here's a compliment I'm gonna say an honest conflict and even with you here There's a conflict that I had like doing the right thing was Because we do we insult people all the time we make fun of people all the time and there's a part of me That's like fuck you man. That's the show. That's what we do we go hard and we fuck with each other all the time We say shit all the time and diss each other all the time.

Yes, I use the word diss. I know this from the 90s Well, we were fucking anti-reslayer. Yeah, that's true. I just started that that's true So we do that and then there's a part of me that's going well I don't want to appear like I'm sucking up and apologizing, but what came back was I know this may sound weird Go with me on this as is my friend So if I hurt as his feelings then as a friend that is my job to communicate with you and find a common ground and have resolution to this and say You know what I didn't even think about that even though it was Kathy saying I've said that in orientation You know, okay, we're working on the website again another rebuild So just be patient with us while we're building it and without you've never been in that thought because I don't think about your work And it really made me so I had a conflict of whether or not to do that on the show because I don't want people to think Oh, what pussies they back but they're doing apologies to BPC and it's like I really don't do that to anyone But if you're I'm in a relationship with you as a friend, then I think it's important to show our listeners that we're not completely Heartless I do care about your feelings and We do care we are we do get that attitude sometime like fuck you.

We don't give a shit We are definitely people who deserve fuck you. I don't get this. Yeah, and we're everybody's entitled to their opinion I am but I do want to say I apologize for lumping you in and making an inconsiderate blanket statement I I will never apologize for having my opinion Oh, good as I will I will apologize to you for lumping you in there and being inconsiderate not thinking that you work so hard You're one of the few people who has remained as these people who were not happy with come and go You're the one person that at least keeps it going and does your best to make it look awesome And I realize that also because as does the volunteer coordinating at threshold in Rangles 800 fucking flaky people and look I just blanket statement at every every volunteer Not every volunteer Clear for a large events like her and her I bring in about 20 people more than we need sure so we so I tell people all the time as We have a wonderful I I think as and I understand each other. We're not always socially in love with humans And but as I refer to as as data because somebody referred to you as data from Star Trek because as is the type of person like It's it's almost awkward like you'll be talking you're like hey, you know We should we should get like some special light neon thing whatever and as we'll be talking to you and while she's talking She's thumb fucking her phone without even looking at it and you think that she's doing some social stuff She just all of a sudden she's all oh, you mean this here's seven places that get this she's like fucking data She's just that's true.

That's the type of work. I was like we need more waivers wait again And she's all can't go here. I just ordered it for you And once again I realize that how I've never really told that to as like as you know your work ethic is great And you do a lot of work. I tell other people you know I brag how as is like data and get shit done and so you know But yeah, she doesn't hear that but yeah, she doesn't hear it So what it's not just all about as and and being here to just love up on as it's me having to look at myself as a leader and going Am I telling the people that volunteer that hey, I acknowledge your work?

I see what you're doing I think I do but I realize that now I really don't a lot yes and some And before anyone listening things kind of making a big deal out of this one thing and why did you bring as on? It's just another post you talk about but you and I both realize that this is symptomatic of a much larger issue Yeah, the making of the blanket statements the saying things in public the grouping all these people together and making Inconsiderate comments when you don't know if it's gonna get back to them It is a it is a big deal and I think it has the ability to make our lives Much more positive and much better if we just think of what we fucking say before we say it ouch Sorry, well, I'm gonna say that really is the goal of what I wrote I mean, yeah, there was a little oh poor me people at the top kind of sort of I got my home But hurt but I tried to turn that into a catalyst and for anyone who did read it or does read it or whatever Just don't million love it because I don't want to be on candy But it's to make people stop for a second and realize and even if you're not telling everyone I love you At least kill a little bit of the negativity start there But then also remember the thanking the helping these are the things that we need to do I had someone who had made a comment or I liked it or something But she ran into me at the club last Saturday talked about my post and it's like and this is why we don't have things in the See anymore because we tried and people were dicks. Yeah, so you know what I do I don't get in my car and I drive an hour and a half to come out here every week sure Huh, and that's Kathy and I now that and this is what leadership training because Kathy and I are not going to be on the board of directors At threshold next year. This is our official announcement by the way I'm gonna announce my not to be running the podcast is growing and it's the same mission So if we want to grow the podcast somebody else is gonna have to step up and do leadership there And our job now is to build up leaders to take over when we're done and part of that is to Encourage and be more aware of people's efforts.

I feel like a total dick Balance there this that's what we're talking about have your opinions do it when you're my close friends They let you vent but there's got to be balanced in life because really you're just hurting yourself I don't myself when I get all negative. This is not the only time I've gotten I've gotten much worse about other topics But I really you only hurt yourself. I agree so good topic. That was good.

Thank you for coming on We're all good. Can we speak later? Yes, you can break quick I just like sense in case anyone's listening I should throw out there when you guys leave I'm not going back on the board either. What?

I know Especially if we have to pay for the three fucking air conditioners you'll have no money Or is that just because it's not just here no every air conditioner in threshold and Pervert podcast because I'm right next to our level. I was right next to we share a wall with threshold and literally now every unit in the building And we don't have a I feel like I'm coming on. Yeah That's gonna be bad This one is written by Nastia Kitzka quite a name that is my total femme fatale spy I'm sure probably is where douchebags we don't know we totally are she wrote a post called I'm an adorable asshole this bottoms view on yellow. No, don't raise your handbook.

Okay, all right She said I've been contemplating the use of yellow my opinion is this fucking use it Why because it's part of the game we play you are supposed to have safety words in your tool bag Oh kink they should be discussed prior to said play during play and even after Todd should know they will hear it in bottom Should know they have it other fingertips. It helps everyone stay safe and grow. I know you have a dissenting opinion on this I don't know but I don't know about dissenting but once again getting a Little more I think we rely heavily on safe words in situations that regular English or whatever your languages would suffice as proper because a lot of people don't use safe words or there You should just be able to say no stop ouch that hurts Except in the case of a roleplay where you are doing an actual consensual non-consensual whatever and no doesn't mean no and stop doesn't mean stop Great play ravage play whatever and then a safe word you have to have a safe word because that means stop or slow down So I always start with the point of going unless you are doing a non-consensual scene You should not have to confuse yourself by making up an extra word that when you're in subspace You have to now remember oh say yellow instead of your natural instinct which is ow stop don't do that I'm in pain. Do you understand?

I understand but here's the thing you and I for the first time this last weekend we co-top someone Uh-huh and while I'm sitting there which was born an experience in and of itself. Let me tell you it was hot from the hallway So I'm sitting there talking to her saying you know Where's you don't want to use what body parts are off limits any? Physical issues I'm going on and on you just kind of I can feel you watching me And I can almost see you getting that look on your face the same kind of look that you get when I start reading something that's too fucking I didn't I didn't have that at all That was your son and then I barely finished your all okay. Are we done?

Can we start playing? Yeah? All right, I might be kind well, you know, I get that point I got to throw my fucking dom juice down but be like bitch Neil the owl that hurts doesn't always work for everybody because I say I'll a lot I think you're used to are you used to playing with Masochist people that endure for you that don't fight you and don't say a lot during other than know the granting in the I Think the point I'm making is when you negotiate which by the way you did a great job We did a good negotiation video you abyss and I and very thorough on how to handle a negotiation the audio is not that great But it is a very thorough video. It's on YouTube.

You look for the podcast negotiation so obviously I support a thorough negotiation even if I'm antsy and Ready to get into it. What was the question? I don't know where I go with this I was trying so hard to pitch the I'm gonna have to I wish I could just stop and rewind because I had a magical point I'll keep going I Am used to playing I'm used to playing when I'm a bottom I fight a lot and there's a lot that I say that is shouldn't be taken as stop right so I actually need that safe word now When I'm bottoming to somebody I play with someone who I do the DS thing with now We know each other well enough that he practically read me before anything goes on and I will he knows it If I say in a certain tone of voice stop right now, he will stop but that's what comes from years of months or years of getting to know one Another if I'm bottoming to someone which I admittedly have not recently done that a lot I will use those those safe words and I am especially want them when I am topping someone for the first time and I have no idea What their levels is are I? I rely on those say yellow when I'm getting that to the edge of it So I we noticed I want to have a long conversation in order to find out what your levels are with different implements I agree and I found my point kind of that I am not against safe words It's a great extra tool to have what I usually communicate especially this goes for someone who is new This is absolutely go for someone who's new the person we played with has been in the lifestyle number of years in another state and came here So I didn't feel I needed to give the spiel but most of the time when I play with someone who's new I say while you are new Stop means stop and if you have a problem Just tell me in your regular whatever comes natural and I will stop and we will address that So it's not that I don't I mean I have played literally hundreds of times in all these years hundreds of times I have heard a safe word called maybe twice So but I've had a lot of people say oh my you know my arm hurts You know or or something like oh can you go a little softer?

We had that I that last week where someone said is it okay if you go a little softer? And then I had a couple weeks before that someone's like can you please go a little harder? So I create an environment that that's okay to just use that So I'm not dissing the safe word I think any extra tool that you have is great But especially if you're talking about a new situation you need to empower people that you don't have to jump through any hoops To let to communicate with me and we'll talk about that in the topping from the bottom right I think that's a great point. I you're a very safe player.

So however you issue Well, I want to go down far you said it not me But no, it's you know no I think it's great and but anything where you empower someone to use Their communication With their partner is going to make less shitty things happen right you are going to be more prepared So I don't want to give the impression that I'm not for safe words I just would actually like to even go more as did you have it? Yeah, I wasn't sure like if I could Speak anyone can speak on the mic okay, sorry. I turned to you. Okay.

I don't know why I did like stare deep in your eyes while I'm talking I just go stare deep into your giant fucking tits. Oh, thank you No, but I mean obviously the entire post I just heard what you said now But what I took away from that was less of it use the word yellow and more get comfortable with using the concept yellow Yes, and that's my one of my big things because I don't call I'm actually I've got his deed ingrained fucking problem Where I can't call right I see that all but over the last few years I've gotten to a point especially with my current sir because he's got down amazing and People just not just kissing his ass, but I know like I have no qualms at all with the One finger up because I'm just like oh god We need to take a second after that kind of a thing and he slows down I say in different ways so it's but I was scared to for a really long time that a lot of people are so scared of Disappointing their top that they don't want to yellow. They don't want to read and Unfortunately that doesn't make for a good scene for them. No, so even if you're not calling yellow is it.

There's a point in Sorry mark has a phone out. I think my tits need to come back out for her. Oh Yeah, okay, I got that but um no I just think it's it's learning to be comfortable with the concept of Knowing your own limits. Yeah, I think you're absolutely right.

I'm not gonna put words into the posters mouth I have no clue, but I think that she would agree. It's the concept of yellow the concept of the safe word boogie safe word Maybe yeah, you're safe or is gonna be stopped, but that's too hard. It's someone new exactly I mean that's the first safe word if you use if you use the safe word on going to acknowledge the safe word Exactly, but I don't want to say I just do it in slightly different ways. I just I'm the more amazing and more women should play with me That's not what I said right all but I'm only to say well for those who know I'm a pretty heavy-handed heavy top Yeah, you are So I get a lot of oh, fucks.

Oh shit. What the fuck was that? Oh? But that doesn't mean stop and I make sure to check in are you okay?

Sure can I continue but when I negotiate I make sure to emphasize and I kind of do both I emphasize the safe words You know say yellow if you need to slow down say red if you want to stop if you want to stop something specific say red And then the specific thing right but I also emphasize communicate with me. Yeah, I'm talking me I'm pretty sure I can know when you're being serious. Okay, the other hurts my arms kind of twisting a little bit You know will pause adjust continue going. I'll check you okay.

You ready? Okay, let's go So I kind of agree with both where you can use a safe words or you just say hey This is you know use a normal tone. This is uncomfortable. This is happening, you know So just I think communication in any form absolutely This is what you say and then the bottom shall let the top note This is how I normally communicate to give you information if they're aware of what that is Absolutely if not they should become aware of how they can communicate and bring that up in negotiation.

Absolutely. Good point Thank you. I like I like this. I swear to God because the next No, Groovy newbies is no no no.

Let's take a break from communication I'm gonna be fucking purverts for the last ask a host. I just asked wait a minute ask a host I bled I bled before I fucking did that. I fucking bled and I just fucking won't take fuck you Why you panic to me and then take it away? Because you're like so like I want to know what the questions are beforehand You make me sound like a gollum or something Of course I suppose Cat his answers questions Your penis I don't want to be Actually did remember P on the show yeah, you remember P I actually We played once and I actually she hates the gollum voice And so I made I played with her as golem and made her forster to have an orgasm while golem Okay, so Kathy what that's made the question no I'm not asking you're gonna read the questions, but don't read ahead What do you mean?

What do you show me this is ask a host where I prefer to podcast listeners ask us questions I'm not sure your head's trying to look and and then we answer them the first one the first one the first one read the first one Raggedy ogre asks fucking fucking under fucking under is there a question the host don't want the listeners to ask well Yeah, we're not telling you Good do they think what stupid ask Kathy about her long lost Hyman How she mourns Hyman morning, I think this is a great question and I You can ask anything and I mean anything yeah, I mean we may not I may not give a Thorough answer, but the fact that you asked me something that takes me out of my zone and makes me uncomfortable is great fucking radio And I love that shit because I'm here. We're here to be challenged. So I totally agree with you I may skirt around it. I'm certainly not gonna divulge every aspect of what's going on this crazy How do I but I will try my best answer there is really not much there's I can't think of a question no and in fact I encourage the listeners to try and think of a question.

We don't want to answer that challenge Go ahead ask questions. Okay, okay, but I'm only tears on this. Yeah, what you got? I have one for each of you Okay, good.

Yes. Yes. Have you ever fantasized about boogie? No Right now what are you talking about?

My head oh yeah when mark was crawling on her knees and orally gratifying abyss and I in the show you made it a point to look me right in the eye Yeah, just to show you that I'm not gonna hurl Deck probably the safest place to look at I Alright good, so you're lying lying about me wish I would be never nutted or fingered your butthole while fantasizing Well, she said she has to get you out of her head. So she's already in the head. Yeah. Yeah, that's way And my question for boogie.

Yes, I like PC Ellie Wait, did you ask that? Oh, okay, go on Have you ever had a homo erotic dream have I ever dreamed of sucking a man's dick or that's not what he said fucked up the ass Homerootic would be that's that's gay. That's a gay dream. Yes, but it doesn't mean sucking a dick I'm going the extra money.

You don't have to clean up a definition. So have I ever fantasized about having sex with a man? Yeah, basically I've tried yeah, and what I found And here's my view on on dudes everyone knows I hate dudes. So even if I was attracted to man I wouldn't have sex with men because I hate dudes.

You don't deserve my fucking dick. That's my honest opinion But mark in a bit, too. Huh? Hey, I work the angle the fact that women find men attractive literally baffles me use it though I'm not stupid.

I will I will do you like the dick? I'll let you have the dick wait before I'm gonna interrupt So I have to clean this up So of course everyone has you can't control your subconscious everyone has dreams in your dreams everything's kind of wacko So sure I've had gay dreams whatever I have attempted to see if there was things like I lived with fucking gay as fuck Larry Before he died. Yeah, you did so if I was ever going to be attracted to a man the literally I can't tell you how many Bandfolds of gay porn I had to go through to throw away so To be really honest The times I have said alright fuck it. I just got to see it because you know, you know what is this about?

I found that sex is what arouses me not the guy so So I tried to get around like if it looks like guyish then it I'm literally I'm just gonna be honest I find it kind of repulsive gay sex to me comes out guys kissing Feeling that way doesn't mean I don't have gay friends Obviously, Larry was my fucking boyfriend that I didn't fuck So But I found out that it was more the sensation that I was fantasizing about than it was the dude because then I would go Okay, think about the dude and then it I was like that. I'm not attracted to that. It's true How's that for fucking honesty for mr. Fucking heterosexual.

Oh my god. I Now every guys every gay guy's gonna come up and be like hey, you just need one good kiss dream about me you fucker you mean like every lesbian ever as heard when they Yeah, you just need a good kiss. I used to get that all the time I got picked up on all the time when I like dudes and they're like you just haven't met the right one Well, guess what buddy mr. But pirate it ain't you so keep moving No, they just be like I'll be here.

You want to blow job? You want to blow I had okay? I gotta tell the story. I used to hitch like I used to hitch Okay, so there's a lot of questions I Okay, give me give us one good one well Broke my junk If I whipped out my dick right now, you would see rips and tears.

Yes, I break my junk all the time I have voracious young women abyss and mark are sexually voracious. So yeah, there's always broken penis Wow, that's why you sometimes you just use condoms and a lot of new sporn. Is there more is that it? Okay, I gotta tell you the story because it was great So I used to hitchhike is again.

That's how I got picked up on so much when you're you know back in the 80s You know it was okay So I'm hitchhiking and some guy picks me up and I don't know he looks kind of I don't know whatever weird curly after we you know Israeli kind of hair a giant fucking nose and a mouth like I'm talking like a fucking cheese grater of Braces like just a giant cheese grass and so he starts driving me home and he's like yeah I was hanging out with this guy and yeah I think I was wondering jack off watching porn or whatever and I'm just like uh-huh and I know it's coming and I'm like Where's my stop where where can he let me out? Why do I hitchhike? This is so dumb and so we get like 20 minutes He's like trying to just talking off and I do you'll get horny. Yeah, sometimes you know whatever and like we get to about where he's gonna Let me out and finally he sees that the time let me out up there and he looks at me and he goes Have you ever heard your dick shut why I go hard and I go no and he's like leans in he's like they're gonna try and all I could think was I was moderately curious about having a man suck my dick one with a fucking tree mulcher in his mouth Would probably not be how I would segue into allowing that oh that is so creepy I was like 15 years old when you're on a try fucking drool and rubber bands shooting out of his mouth You sir need to go and reevaluate your game not working here.

All right ask one ask another question Yeah, I was like horrible the uncle creepy off fuck this is as one from someone that's not one of our people in the room Anonymous asks have you ever named a body part if so what part and what name go ahead Kathy? I can honestly say never have had a never a major lip my labia my labia No squeaky and she's a housing no, I just never left which one's the right squeaky is the left Labia I think it's lippy or something else you know you yeah when you're younger you're you're just like it's Mr. Happy or you know My ginormous amazing thing do you name your cocks is that's your happy was actually Robin Williams? I think he called it mr.

Happy that's it Ramon you got it you got a penis name there So mine actually came about because of a funny story. I don't know if you guys remember the movie multiplicity with love it I didn't see it, but yes well there was when he left and all of them ended up accidentally having sex with his wife And they all confess and then the retarded guy what we my friends thought sorry mentally challenged guy They made copies of a copy by the time you were done. Yeah, so when they were going on confessing my friends And I thought he said she called me Pepe So I is a joke. I'm gonna call mine Pepe.

So that's how it came about we found out later. He says she says I'm peppy When I watch them like oh, are we wrong? But it came about I thought I'm gonna call mine Pepe because it Do you want to kiss puppet and there was funny because my friend said I want to name my jacks Then when I have sex it's checking a box and then we cracked up you were young huh? It was high school.

It was high school. And then and then one time we went to check in a box And there was a guy named Pepe working there, so we had a really good laugh I know as okay, I've actually tried to come up with things I always just figured my boots kind of have their own you know like gravitational sure so you would think I would have managed Naining them at some point, but I have failed miserably. Let's ask the listeners to send in suggestions for it. Oh, okay What do you call your junk?

Saud kneel before Saud Fabulous the wind that's the end of the show if you have other questions by all means send it in we'll get it once a month We answer your questions You'll be for sought Okay, but you haven't heard this have you no I haven't heard this someone just sent it to us today and I swear permission and she said yes It's from a girl for you and she writes and tells us I had a 1400 mile drive from the Midwest to the east coast I planned on taking up to three days to do the drive But then I started listening to your podcast and I drove the whole way 25 hours of driving because I could not stop listening to your podcast Wow, they are so funny It honestly made time fly and I made my 1400 miles before you know it in fact I drove around the city once I arrived just to finish the podcast. I was listening to thank you for the entertainment keep up the amazing work and entertaining content Okay, I actually made a little back and I said so that means that if you just I'm in it actually I'll edit it out but just just read it again. No just I know you especially the part about listening over and over and driving around the city just listening to our voices Yeah, she but really she got me the next I told her we blame you because it would have been well You know everyone blames your friends. Yes, but that is I said really that is the most I'm nicest thing anyone has ever said about this body.

We helped someone on their journey. Yes literally They will remember us forever. No, no, they won't know what maybe a week and then be on well at 25 hours straight It's a pretty big deal. So that's a good month.

Oh my god. That's a good month. That is awesome Well, I mean the good news is is is we work hard. We're not slackers.

We do a lot of production We try to make the show good. We have a family a lot of creepers a lot of stuff. So thank you. Thank you very that's incredibly That's what we that's that's the dream is that people that we have so many PP zombies I I still it amazes me to this day that we have people that have literally gone back and listened to all the shows Just so they can be a PP zombie and say I've listened again I'm gonna break in the equipment.

Damn it. Did you just whack zod against the mic stand? I have to sit there and edit God damn it's every time and every show you break something because he's a Really good and it's like the mic over his lap. He's laughing say something zod He's just dying.

All right, and play mark help him. He's sad Alright I didn't know it was on if she's still listening she stops. She's all and I'm pulling over I'm cooking New Mexico. No more this.

Well, thank you very much That's that's always exciting here and it absolutely strokes or you go just to hold the mic in your hand I don't he's he's reconstructing fuck this thing That is a that is awesome. That is some Shirley Austin If you are new to exploring your kinky side or the BDSM lifestyle Don't worry We were all knew at least once send your questions and topics of kinky newness and we will do our best I love you without making you feel stupid this week's topic topping from the bottom bottom Never heard that before never heard it before The notorious judged dreaded ridiculed exchange of blatant but hurt and miscommunication that occurs during a BDSM place seen topping from the bottom How dare that pesky bottoms speak up for themselves and steal back the power exchange that insults my all-knowing uber dominance or? How dare the top be annoyed that I snarkily tell them that they are not doing it right? This is the conflict that we deal with in the term topping from the bottom.

It is It has been very overblown It is a miscommunication in most cases and we're going to try to I mean literally we could do a whole show about this Because once again, this is a communication issue Because there is the negative aspects of what you would call topping from the bottom and basically what topping from the bottom is Is when you are topping someone and they are constantly telling you what to do what not to do And the term is supposed to be derogatory that they're doing it in a way that demeans the power exchange that you agreed to Before the scene however There are many dynamics here at stake and we need to talk about all those because a lot of times what it is is you have people that Basically don't want the bottom to say anything and speak up for themselves and say when there's discomfort or a problem Or they don't like it and those that I wanted us to kind of all touch on so you want to talk about what you just said or the whole term talk about You're yeah, I think I agree because this is mainly a problem miscommunication There were I think a very and obviously is just my experience like we haven't taken a poll We don't know what everybody thinks but in our experience I believe that there are very few times that you will actually see someone who is taking advantage of their position and actually Topping from the bottom in which case they really don't know what the fuck they're doing They should probably question if they actually are a bottom or submissive But you know I've seen people who've said that person is stopping from the bottom But the people involved don't think so and they're not gonna grant time so keep your opinions yourself because not everybody is gonna play the same way as you Yeah, some people actually like the kind of rambunctious snarky shit talking I like it when people tell me to fuck off or know call me a bastard or whatever There is a point there is a point where it starts to change the power exchange There's playfulness and once again I have my level of playfulness that I allow someone to have and then I will stop it and take control back of that situation But it really this really is based on the two play parts however many play partners are involved in the scene That's some people that is part of their king is that it's a it's a battle of wits And that the person on the bottom is trying to dominate you and you talk a lot of shit and eventually take them and put them into a submissive Or surrendering position so I love the whole battle with things that I love that kind of play it turns me on too And for me that's that's not necessarily my king, but I will say do you have some to say it's like grappling with your mind mind? Yes, absolutely Here's what I have found I have literally three pages of notes. I'm not gonna I really thought a lot about this and the first thing we want to say is because this is a communication show The bottom has every right every time I think a lot of people may be miss this and maybe sometimes I've glossed over this myself Every time you hit someone in a scene is potentially an assault that in the eyes of the law So every time you hit somebody in a scene after every hit that person has the right to decide whether or not You get to hit them again, and if you try to take that right away from them, it's now assault. Mm-hmm.

So That's that's we're going into the extreme and the topping from the bottom You need to always understand that your bottom does have a right to communicate with you If you have if you have worked your relationship long enough to where there's no need for communication anymore because you know them That's that's not what we're really talking about here We're talking about a situation where maybe you don't know someone very well and They start saying things that I don't like that do that harder What is that the best you got there's all different levels and that is something you need to negotiate if you don't want to hear Snarky behavior or a smart ass masochist or all the numbers of terms that we have for people that are bratty on the bottom Then you shouldn't play with that person, but at no time should you ever? What we have is we have a lot of tops that try to guilt and shame or judge a bottom for saying anything during a scene and that you're a douche That I think we can all agree that one right there that you just described is You can't fucking play with that person because they're assholes Yeah, that leaves straight back into your bottoms were you on yellow too and well my take on it It's just because you had that point where like they shame you into thinking that you can't have an opinion or you shame yourself I have actually played with people who think it's this is men especially I've got to just take an indoor because that's what a real man does and I get to the end I've had two people do this to me I get to the end of the scene only to find out that they were in a great deal of pain And they didn't want to say anything one of them I was able to communicate the other one I never played with them again because you just put me in you made me feel like crap I needed after care after that because I felt like the worst person in the world here I was doing something thinking they were enjoying it and they were having a miserable time I will always look back on that and feel shame and I hate feeling that all because you couldn't communicate So we can shame ourselves to and to thank you. You got shut up on the on the bottom end It goes both ways you can be an asshole bottom and you can be a greedy fucking asshole bottom And that's that's something that needs to be dealt with to to understand But this all comes to this is gonna all be fucking handled by talking about it first insane beforehand Hey, I'm really snarky and I've had bottom say that I've said Yeah, I'm not gonna let's not play because some people like I love to be snarky and tell you that I'm gonna fuck your ass With a strap on and stuff like that and I just say not my thing I totally get that's what you do, but that's not my thing that can all be handled in the in the early negotiation It's not a big deal, but one thing I will say Because there's always a reason under the reason under the reason the snarkiness the whatever can't absolutely just be nervousness And I'm not gonna to my own horn But I'm gonna say this from the top dominant in the power exchange if you are the top There is an implication that you are in control the more intention that you show the bottom that you have in a positive way To take control of that scene I rarely get snarky whatever because sometimes if you are a top and you don't know what you're doing You're not planning you're not into it. You're distracted You think the bottom can't sense that and that makes them nervous because you're hitting them So they're gonna have a they're gonna be more apt to make Comments out of their nervousness that you aren't showing your intention to them.

Does that make sense? Yeah, it describes my last relationship that you watched to work out so well Because I always talk from the bottom. It's like no, I've been doing this longer than you I know a little bit more about what you're trying to do to me and as you're trying to hurt me in a bad way Because you just don't know I'm gonna tell you that's not me talking from the bottom But God damn does it sound like you're from the outside sure that's you protecting yourself. Yes Yeah, I love what you say about communication is that is the key know what kind of bottom you are and if you're a groovy newbie Say I don't know what kind of bottom.

I don't know where I'm going with this last time I played A little snarky came out. I'd like to see where that goes or I didn't like it or let's communication is everything there You should never feel shame or that you're not a good submissive for speaking up and sometimes I don't know is the perfect thing to communicate absolutely You know what that brings us to what ask oh as get your ass on the table. She works her ass off Yes, I'm good. You have the microphone working sis sort of yes, I do.

Yes. What do you have a question for Kathy? Okay question for Kathy Kathy put a finger in your bones, but yeah say that again a finger in Romans, but Roman can you take that sign off? Did I or will I didn't hear the whole did you did I ever put a hole in Ramones, but a finger tonight?

What I think I know too. That would be that crazy bitch my Michelle No, I'm not gonna put my finger in your boy your man's butthole. Okay crazy broad Oh my god, all right get up there Kathy. We're gonna get some spanking going here I got a butt wiggle.

I got a butt wiggle. Wait. Can you get the take the mic and put it in front of as his mouth? And then we will where's the demo?

Oh look at that Alright get that mic so as have you ever had Kathy give you a spanking? I have never been saying by Kathy before oh my god And here it's happening. I know look at that. Alright.

Yeah, I'll warm up. I've actually never watched you play with spanky I've no idea. I've never had spanky. Oh spanking Spanky.

Thank you. Thank you. Oh, man No, this is not too hard. Oh good.

I got the sweet spot going on. I love this week. All right get it That is awesome. You know it's next week as her featured orgasm.

I didn't want to spring in honor tonight I'm really glad you didn't do that while in here. I take it. That's good. That's good.

Yeah, yeah That is good stick Oh Sorry That's nice that is not get her couple good ones for you. Oh, yeah She says wind up she needs a good wind up wind up for it. All right, it's gonna suck with a light it goes Very good And that wait wait was that light on hunger wait what what what? Well, thanks for killing the end of the show Oh, sorry are you sad you didn't kill the end of the show?

No But you had sod your penis is named sod so forever you win forever you win Okay, if you are in the Los Angeles there was surrounding areas visit fresh hold on board of that I find out about joining their king family. Thank you all of our guests, especially to as for being here as Who breaks everything and mark and Who is in a car and had to bail out on no she's actually in a bit And to boogie and myself and everyone in the channel and everybody listening Thank you so much if you have questions comments and ideas please email us at perverted podcast at email.com and visit perverted podcast.com And finally goddamn it this has been a communication Have you show you know why because it's goddamn important and if you communicate I swear to God It is a segue to magical amazing often occurring sex better sex It is a chore sometimes, but my fucking dear sweet baby fetus Jesus Good stuff. We'll see you on the next time. We're out here Better sex and communication Wait for wrong to say something break something else