What it's why because if I wear correctly the cord goes across my face Yeah, it says left and right on the side I follow instructions. No, no, no just fucking rebel That's oh you fuck this can philosophy man Right, I don't kill every says L on my right ear. Why's Gabby's allowed? I don't give a fuck about that's what we do.
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Everybody at the same time start talking That's a great sound check following show is for mature audiences only listener discretion is advised and if you don't like it Please go fuck yourself. What do you feel your sex life is quite lame? Scared that your desires might be strange come and join the kinky world of play Welcome to the pervert podcast the show where we explore the adventures of the kinky lifestyle sex and In front of our perverted studio audience hello perverts Hello, I'm Kathy. I wait, I'm a best Manneries, I don't I don't and look go ahead and introduce yourself boogie Was that some vinegar and water just putting out of the top of your head boogie Actually, I'm a bit and I guess I'm I can't book you and we got Sam and mark and spanking the whole whole world show fucking 62 62 this was a great week.
This was an amazing week for perverted podcast. Yes, so many amazing things But first I want to introduce our guest our guests spanky hello spanky I spanky is our guest host for today spanky is amazing It's been a long time I started out going to some of your private home spanko parties home parties and you know So definitely somebody that I've drawn on for information and also you lead diversity roundtable Yes, that means here threshold and we're gonna do a whole segment on that a little bit You're gonna tell us you guys had a big a diversity summit a diversity summit So we're gonna get some of the highlights of that and talk about some stuff about diversity Kathy what I do You feel like a sexy bitch today most days I do yeah, yeah, that's right You had your awesome party yesterday to do some play yesterday. I did I co-topped two different people I'm in a happy mood kind of a sled horny type who'd you I'm not gonna ask who okay? Well, I walked by and Kathy has this look on her face like here.
She's all bubbly happy Kathy like Kathy la la la la la la and she gets she gets like this Yes, la la la la that's exactly what she does But she gets this like sinister kind of look on her face like kind of smurky like oh hello. I'm Kathy I'm going to violate your breasts now And she'll just have this like what do we have here? Really I'm saying it's awesome because she has this this part of her that we see but then like but then you put a pair of Bresin front of me and how can I not it's monster time? It's just so I've never seen this you've never seen that I've never seen I actually don't top a lot, but these were friends of mine So I had a good pool to choose from I'd say it was a lot of me working this let's So what about you mr.
Togo man, yeah We're not gonna worry about the little slow but fine a lot of fun, but just yeah like I believe that at one point you had a Roman orgy Yes, there was a Roman Togo orgy and that was that was a that was exceptionally odd but wonderful But what was even more important? Boogie and mark this week we have some new listeners right now. I know they're out there I want to say hi to all of our new friends from porn director podcast Which is an industry the guys that run it have been doing porn for a long time directing porn and they have this porn director podcast and it's a really it's like 10,000 times bigger than ours and and Why you got a disparate podcast? I'm just saying hey, they've been doing it a while and they get a lot of big names And they're porn porn.
Yeah, I know and they do video but no they're really really awesome And they said hey, you know Can you come down and teach our audience about BDSM and like make it literally a BDSM like 101 you know If you have you know, we want to see some demos if you can do some demos But really they were more focused on you know the education aspect of it and he said look change our minds We have all these thoughts, you know about what BDSM is but we really want you to come in for our listeners and like talk about so literally Mark and I went down there not knowing what to expect, you know We think oh, it's more and they're you know, they're gonna everything's just gonna lean towards the sex part But they were like really into the consent the communication how the relationships develop and work together I mean it was literally like an hour we did plenty of shenanigans I was gonna say it's you so we lit mark on fire and did did all sorts of just horrible things to her and she had a big Mask on and it was awesome, but literally it was really we got a chance to really get down into it And they were great with asking questions, you know about the relationship and the chemistry and all that type of stuff So it was actually it was it was for as far as going into a different lifestyle because even though it's porn in the adult industry And it's sex, you know a lot of people that are into regular porn have not experienced the king world So it was just really exciting to like make a cross promotion of that What's the name of this website again porn director podcast calm? I mean it's podcast just for porn directors Well, I mean, it's well, no, he's the Sal's the lead porn director and he's been doing it for years and so So they do the podcast together and and so he just all these, you know, big name porn people come in and you told me about it I kept waiting for it Yeah, it's posted now. It's posted now. We posted we posted an honor Facebook group and stuff like that So porn director podcast calm so hello.
They actually of course they have a huge audience so a bunch of their people came in me Andered over here so there's some of those people that are listening to us right now. So everybody hi Hello, new perverts welcome new perverts welcome So that was that was very exciting and hopefully they're gonna have us come back again because they really had a lot of fun It's cool and so maybe next time we can all go down there and we'll have a field trip to the porn place They're really close by literally they're like literally 10 minutes away from here Yeah Fucking search for Pokemon on the way over to a Just get it while we drive in the place. Mark's crying out I feel like she gets poking on cuz you set her on fire and violator on video. I feel like she deserves Pokemon Yes, we'll go we'll go to the mall and walk around or something you guys could go for a walk Wouldn't that be good don't you try and you guys just walk together hunt for Pokemon?
Yeah, anyway, so the glossary the glossary yes another 75 hours count bookie sat in the threshold office and We've been talking we're doing all the education now and building our own pervertive podcast BDS and glossary that explains all of these terms And gives little essays about them and stuff. I didn't put it on they weren't supposed to be as they just turn it You can't say submissive is a person that gives power to a dominant and So you gotta you gotta talk because this may be people going well, what is it? You know this better than anything This is why we have a show is so when people go there and they see that they go Well, what does that mean and they have other questions us does the glossary actually have a little disclaimer on it? You know warning yes, it says tell boogie and perverted podcast.
I am a narcissist He did it in his defense. He did write all of them So he can have both a credit in the shameful. That's fine So and it says these are our opinions and just the same just shut up the same the same as the how to build a munch and how to build a party That it's like science as we get more information. We will edit it's not like oh, this is set in stone This is our experiences.
We talk on the podcast. We've been in the life stuff years how to build a private party I use like literally 80 examples of spankies. I don't know if I told you shit to do wrong Yeah, I said that went bad to do So about neighbors and stuff and you had a screamer at one party and created that was bad And and so like these are the things so as we get more information. We will edit so it does it's not like we're yeah We're right about everything But anyway, so that's very exciting so a lot of stuff going on So before we go to pet life abyss had something that wasn't on the the board It's a say abyss versus a fan so abyss would you please like to tell us how you Know your amazing wisdom gun in a battle so Backstory mark and you have these rules and it's to keep her alive.
So wow and Yeah, like rule five. Yeah rule five is don't put your head near a fan. Don't put hair near the fan rule floors Don't stand on rolling chairs. Yeah, so basically because there was an incident where marks hair got eaten by a fan After she'd already it was because so and of course now I have and I both I've already did the shit I'm like how do you how did this happen because seriously?
So today I had my hair up because you know nursing and I don't want my hair in wounds because it's disgusting So unfortunately one of my patients has he's in a wheelchair and his caretaker is very short So they have problems they have chains on all the fan pools to get like to get the ceiling fan He had and his caretaker turned on the ceiling fan and I went to go grab something and my hair got caught In the chain oh my god And I literally it wasn't actually in the fan but I had that moment of panic because the fan is going and my hair is stuck I literally in my head I'm screaming I stopped where your clients horrifying luckily I snatched up and grabbed a hold of my hair to ensure like Get shot with a thousand pieces which my hair wasn't actually in the ceiling fan But it was just wrapped up in the chain but because the fan was going it gave like the pulses like it was But I'm like had that moment of panic so today. I thought finally of mark in her rule five But oh the perils of your job. This is why we have rules fucking short people. This is why we have rules I can actually play this I can actually we can go into that like stuff now.
There's nothing else I'm forgetting right you Enlightened or possibly perplexed or your piece of mind please know that the author of every post we talk about specifically granted us permission to do so Kathy can we go to really bad joke now? No, I know this you don't want to talk about this one's a anyone Him this post is written by SF Raynard who it's it's you know, it's a little heavy topic, but it needs to be discussed It's called I thought he was just behind the door So I'm gonna just kind of paraphrase a lot of what happened She's newly divorced she meets a Dom and they decide to meet in a hotel He ties her with rope to the hook on the back of the bathroom door puts her in a stress position He says he's gonna leave her there for ten minutes But because she can already feel the ache she tells him I'm not sure I can do it that long But he leaves the room anyway, so at this point She's not really panicking because she's thinking to herself. He's gonna be right behind the door No, Dom in his right mind would leave a sub and attended alone in a stress position No, so here's where it gets bad because her legs start to shake and she realizes that she can't hold this position anymore So she calls red and no answer and she starts calling it repeatedly and no one answers And this is the point where she starts to panic But luckily she realizes there were strengths were loose enough that she's able to pull herself out Stumbles to the bed puts on a rope which point the guy returns sees her and he starts to panic because he realizes that she's in distress So here's how she concludes she says and this is the point I am most ashamed of what I said was this I failed. I'm a failure.
I couldn't do it I know why I said that even though my own brain was screaming get away get far away What I should have said was you are a giant fucking cunt who is so inexperienced You should never have been let out of kink nursery don't touch another sub until you know and understand rack and SSC But I didn't I was at least two and a half hours from home. I was tired I was scared and I was upset as it turned out he wasn't a monster He was a very educated man who was clearly not stupid, but he wasn't half as experienced as he had made out not by half I made an assumption I paid the price in the long term it was okay, but imagine if it hadn't been I just got scared reading that when I read that post I thought And there's more to this post and she makes it clear that this is son She doesn't think of herself as a stupid person She the guy they had long conversations she got to know him that she was really very kind to her He saw some red flags, but she didn't really it wasn't enough to make her stop This sort of shit can happen to anybody even people who have been in the community for a while happened me I and I thought of you when I read this I remember you telling us how that happened and you are a strong Independent woman and I and I the reason I wanted to bring this up is so that people aren't always thinking well It's only new people that this happens to it's people who aren't on their guard this can happen to anybody and it's funny When I read it when I was like the newly divorced this at the other yeah No, this was like literally per you could have cut and paste and that was me and It like it my ashamed no and my happy didn't go worse fuck. Yeah, but Even on like non-kingk, I'm a ball buster. I'm generally cautious by nature I'm you know, that's my personality, but this literally can happen to anyone if you don't listen to your gut if you see red flags And ignore them especially in the kink world it can prove to be disastrous And we do need to continue to hear stories like this because they're important for everyone to remember that everything we do Does carry a risk and if you are not cautious and even if you are cautious shakin go wrong Does it is it malicious?
No, is it uneducated a lot of times? Yes? Oh? Did you do that?
Thank you, did you have any insight to throw on this topic you know, I was gonna say that for me This is why I always stayed away from the BDSM aspect of the kink community because I heard more stories like this than the other Right and unfortunately I saw the results of those more than I saw the results of what the BDSM community really is so and the fact matter is it happens more with people who have been doing this for a while Then it does with new people and I think lately new people are such are more cautious about yelling in and those We've been doing this for a while kind of get that our guard up that we know what we're doing and we can do crazy shit like this We know as we start to get more statistic. We think that's a cool thing to do to somebody sure because we think we're always in charge But that that's a hard thing. That's why I think women need to be more careful You need to be more forceful when they're playing so Let's backtrack a little Cowboy history we're going we're going back to about 1992. Where you had long luxurious here I had long I had a mohawk long luxurious mohawk before a bis party did all off.
Oh my god It's a little joke we had before and It's good luck on her face Coffee to she almost fit it on me not in the level lab. Oh, that's not gonna go good So we're in 1992 and let's say the moral of the story is negotiation and that's what we are here to teach Our new people are veterans of BDSM as spanky very well put that this all comes down to a negotiation What are you gonna do to me and not only what are you gonna do to me? But how are you going to handle this or that emergency and the more you negotiate obviously this situation? Very likely if the guy wasn't doing this intentional leader hurt her then this would have been something like oh no You cannot leave me alone do not leave me alone Are you going to be here if something goes bad?
Those are all absolutely fair questions to ask 1992 young Vibrant Christian minister Count Boogie, you were vibrant. I was vibrant and I was a Christian creature. Yes, and and so I I met a girl and I was you know I was sexual before Christianity and then I had to learn how to be Non-sexual because I was gonna go to hell and not please Jesus so I wasn't having sex So I met a girl so of course in three months after meeting her I had to marry her so I could get laid Which led to a very lengthy a very long, you know 16 month marriage and so it's our honeymoon and Go Catalina Island you're gonna have a honeymoon Catalina Island and I had heard I had heard How funny and amazing was because my bass player and my little Christian band the disciples He had tied up his his wife Oh no, and then left her alone and like pretended like you know people were gonna come in whatever and it was very laughing She's like ah she got really scared and and but it was they were funny and so it went and she even she joked about it So oh boy, I didn't I didn't I didn't know there was nobody there to tell me there was obviously not malicious This was a woman. I just got married to we went to Catalina We got in the hotel room.
I tied her wrists to the bed frame probably not well not a good bondage guy But still enough that she couldn't get away and I said I'm going to the store No, and she said what if somebody comes in I go I guess they'll see you naked and I closed the door and I walked out and I went to the store You actually went and I left for about oh I left for about 20 minutes 20 30 minutes came back And she was like oh my god that took forever And I brought back you know stuff and then we continued to play and have you know Jesus or Dane sex No, and never thought anything about it. She's like oh you know like it was you know it was you know it was very innocent and and she wasn't in a stress position she was laying on the bed but her hands were restrained and Once I got into the lifestyle and I start hearing stories about people burning to death in buildings and bondage Because they can't get away self bondage people coming in and hurting you while you're in bondage Any number of things Cardiatic all of these things I heard all of these things and obviously shame it was 20 years ago I wasn't in the lifestyle I didn't know I was ignorant that was pure ignorance Had a thought in my head that this was fun and this was a great thing to do because I had no perverted podcast No BDSM community know anything to let me know hey by the way, this is a bad idea This is really a bad idea no matter how cool you think this is it's a bad idea and shit can go bad And you need to have a plan of action to not do that so what we have here's three stories the poster you boogie and abyss Things that could have gone wrong, but didn't and they changed how you did came from then on absolutely Yeah, I didn't put up all gag in for a long time Absolutely, wow if you're lucky yeah, so that was a great post that's hard to admit I admit I've admitted in an orientation I teach an orientation but it's actually you know That's the thing you're that's a big no no you don't do that we kick people out of the dungeon if they leave the person in a room full Of people if you leave someone alone they do that so and I'm not saying this is an excuse or whatever But if you were coming from this especially where you were coming from there you literally had no education none So I mean you can you can look back now as a highly educated BDSM Performer right of X. I don't know whatever But you really can't beat yourself up on that one because you didn't you don't know until you don't until you know Yeah, but if she would have died you know I think you can beat yourself up over that just because you got away with it you should still take that shit And I'm not I'm not like 20 years later carrying a torch for what I did But I am willing to admit that was exceptionally wrong and that could have gone really bad I'm glad it didn't this guy in the post kind of built himself up according to her that he knew what the fuck he was talking About and not doing that so but I mean worse or better doesn't really matter it was dangerous No, but I think what you and I can both take away from our experiences where both of them were potentially could have been very bad Was they were learning experiences and we were lucky enough at the end of the day to have them be a learning experience And one thing I'm gonna add finally is that because all three of you are brave enough to admit a very embarrassing and Humiliating potentially humiliating thing in your past the rest of us get to benefit from that and that sounds funny But really when people hear this show and hear that boogie and abyss both had the same thing and they're talking about it And they admit how embarrassing it is it makes a difference in people's lives. I absolutely believe that as long as they negotiate I don't give a fuck if they remember how awesome I am for being a retard I just wanted to negotiate Early when you're gonna do a bonded scene with a total fucking stranger Which by the way not always the best suggestion even if it's in a hotel a lot of people get murdered in hotels Or we could just say hey guys be cautious and still go out have fun if you're not situation It's always good.
We always say try and vet your people try and go to community stuff You know and granted I know spiky were concerned to getting into the community, but Having a safe call stuff like that, but it's it's one of those I found at least in the community if someone asks around you can at least go Enough yeah, I think that's the biggest thing but going back when I started there wasn't there was no information No internet so everybody was making it up as they went away You know as they went and so you had an opportunity for a lot of these things But now there's no reason for to happen right because everybody learns about negotiation classes and there's people you can talk to Prior to really jumping in this way then a lot of people can into it But I mean it's but that's why I said I never ran in I think the worst I was left to go laying over to bed waiting for me to come back and spank her and she wasn't tied right So I said and those that can be kind of stressful. We're not gonna say don't know what's going on Yeah, we're not gonna say it's not hot But it's it's things like that when they're bound It's dangerous and people there are enough cases that lots of people have died or had problems being bound and left alone So it's risk aware, but it's like hey is it really you know I think also what I really took away from it was the fact that she what the scariest point for her was the person She put her trust in was not as educated as she thought he was yeah So let's lighten the mood I got a joke and it's actually a story joke I don't know if I remember it, but remember it's really bad joke. So this is a departure normally It's one liner. It's usually one liner, but I'm actually gonna because it was an interesting scenario It's actually listed in the you know scientific magazines There was a time where aliens actually did come to earth and there was a small communion between groups There's very secret, you know area 51 types yet, but there were aliens that came down and humans kind of intermingled with them And they shared some information and there was these two alien, you know These these deaf couples, you know, it's basically very kind of similar like male female ish aliens And so they thought as a social experiment well, let's put human male females together when I'm talking you know Like I have a drink or whatever the fuck gorp they you know what they suck out stuff or whatever Hi, so so the two the alien couple in the human couple are like having this little powwow and so of course You know the human couple because we're humans they ask the aliens they're like so you know how do you guys you know?
You know and of course they make that click-click dork sounds and you know So the aliens are like oh and they start explaining them and it kind of turns out that it kind of works the same way for the aliens As it does for the humans you know everyone starts getting curious They've had a couple elbow drinks, you know, or whatever they however they drink and so it you know one of them kind of makes a suggestion Hey, you guys want to swap why don't we just swap you know for science? Let's swap so the couples fucking said fuck it They did a wife swap so the the the human wife went with the alien male and the you know the the human male went with the alien chicken They went off and so the the human female and the alien male are now in their little you know Their little room the special secret room probably has lots of microphones and cameras and shit and the Scientists are watching them, but they don't know it's too. Wait. Mearship.
They didn't know back in those days So so all of a sudden the human chick is like all right well, you know fucking give me some Star Trek You know let's do this so the alien takes off his robe, right? And all of a sudden it's like bam Micro penis like and and the human you know this is very fragile negotiations here But you know what there's a time to be fragile and a time to say what the fuck is that and what is that gonna do for me? And she points out she goes no that that is not Human standard of acceptable what are you gonna do alien says no problem gets the palm of his alien tentacle hand starts wacking himself on the forehead And every time you wax himself on his forehead his fucking penis starts to grow in length Like doo doo doo doo doo doo doo whack whack whack and all of a sudden gets to a pretty impressive length to this female She's like that's awesome, but It's kind of like looks like a kickstand now, you know It's like can we get some girth in it or something alien says no problem because it has a smooth alien voice because he knows he's about to get Some fucking earth pussy so he starts yanking on his ears And every time he yanks on his ears his dick gets fatter and fatter and fatter until finally it's just like but grabbing the chicks like fucking Jumping that shit fucking fucks the shit out of the alien all night long all night long So she's like all ragged and just totally surprised and whatever so all of a sudden the next morning They're going to the little coffee area where they go and she sees the earth chick sees her husband Goes up to him and he's like how was it and she's like I gotta admit it was fucking amazing It was really amazing. How was it for you?
Oh dear earth husband of mine husband's like ha ha It was it was good because it was an alien But it was a little weird because the entire night she kept smacking me in the head and yanking on my ears So that's why you have a head wound That was the worst joke I ever heard You'll be telling that joke you will be telling that joke tomorrow god damn it guarantee you I won't I made spank you a good jingle. I got it. So here's my new things. That's it.
I'll send it home You can put it on your phone or something or just put it on a boom box and and they even have those anymore No, whatever your iPhone or whatever and play it at your diversity ranting So spank you are here. I'm so glad you're here because you lead a very important group Diversity round table. Can you first tell us a little bit? What is that group about?
Well the virtual round table actually around table actually came from a discussion I've been having for years about inclusion diversity in the community because there's not a lot and We started the round table about a year and a half ago Thanks to you guys given us a space to have what we thought was going to be a one-shot meeting Just to have people talk we thought five people show up and about 30 people showed up nice and I got Condoned to yeah, yeah It's like because I have to go back so I had left the community and came back and said I'll never run another group ever Yeah, this thing is retired about 11 times It's worse than who there's a pattern coming up here, but uh, so you're in a half ago We decided let's just do this we do whatever the month here at the show and we meet for a couple of hours And people get to come in the mandate that we have is leave the winding and crying at the door Come in and let's talk about solutions. Let's talk about real things So we found out a lot of things that we didn't know about each other And about why we should be here and should not be here and it's been it's been really good So it culminated into the diversity summit last month sure where we brought not only those of us people of color and people from the LGBT community Community but we brought dungeon owners We brought a vent house all together to come and talk and find out what we should be doing in order to make the community more inclusive Absolutely, so what kind of stuff you I remember walking into that and it was like one of those like business You know like motivational speaker like when the big big like Yahoo and they get a room like the entire wall I'd never seen this the entire wall was covered They got these giant like yellow lined paper like you know I post it, but they were fucking big and the whole wall was covered with ideas and thoughts and things that they like started its conversation And then you know drew and and I'm like dude you have to come in and talk about some of the shit that you guys talked about So lace and so we're gonna do this a couple times you come back again So there was a lot of cool stuff on those papers. Well, I'm gonna grab your papers grab your notes He's got a lot of notes what we did on the session We kind of broke up because they're not a thing and we thank you guys again for giving us that and the first session in the morning session We want to talk about things like common bounds common problems identifying key diversity issues in our community And we want to talk about the first thing we did was the known issues that always cause a lot of angst and we just wanted to get those up Like things like they don't care about us. They don't really include us from our side and from the other side They don't come to our events and all of those things get that out of the way so everybody understood.
We know this shit Right, we know this is what's it? but we want to move into what are we gonna do about it but also to find out what people are already doing and it Was eliminating to listen to the dungeon owners and listen to people who thought events and find out Oh, we're already doing some of these things and I know Threshold for instance is already making big moves to make it more inclusive particularly for the trans community sure But places like we had somebody from the lair down my be there was here from the lair Right and to listen to the things that they were doing to kind of create for themselves a code of ethics and a standard of doing things That we make them more inclusive well, nobody knows this and I think the other side of it is we just wanted to point out We have more in common about one in diversity and one inclusion than we don't Absolutely, but the problem is nobody ever gets together and talks about it You just stand back and you're winding and crying then one day you wake up and you go still know better than it was before Right, so the summer was about not coming up with immediate solutions and not going this is gonna be it We're gonna walk out of here and the whole world is gonna change We just wanted to start the dialogue with the people that needed to be talking to each other Right because we've spent a year and a half talking to ourselves, which is all well and good Eventually, that's like you know, you got to use left hand out, so Which I do So we figured let's get everybody together and let's just find out the things that we really want to do and to talk about some pain Talk about Some things that make it difficult for everybody to make that move This was never anything we started out to be a movement, but it kind of isn't as only sure and it's gonna take some Finessing is gonna take some more to do but we talked about things like language and how The language of people put up for their events are key to getting people to come Can you give an example of something that maybe is put a language that's put in an event or anything that is people away? If it seems really gender specific right or gender identifying People will stay away from I know people in these trans community particularly will stay away from because it's like walking through the door and have to identify that you are different Right right off the bat. Okay, which can be a little off-putty because you just want to walk in and go and just be here But for events that are that say female identified right?
That can be very tricky when you've got a six foot four Person that you look at as a guy with a full beard walk in and goes I identify as one right Can't dress as one can't find clothes or anything like that and that becomes problematic for people of color to feel like we're not really being invited and Nobody's reaching out to us to get us to come now You're talking about a spit so if you're talking about people of color are you talking about reaching out to specific groups of you know Yeah, I talk about groups and if you can talk about Hispanic black Whatever you're talking about Asians that you want to feel like people want you there And I'll give you the example from you coming into the scene Okay, I came into the way of the smacking community sure even I'd already been doing this for years But when I found the community found out that there was oh, there's a spanking community and particularly when I moved LA It was hell getting into this community And once I got there, I found out they don't want you here. So they're not trying to get you here They're trying to keep you out so because your person color, right? Okay. What do you mean?
It was hell getting into it. What did you know what? You're this was I moved here 96, okay, and You find places that are holding events, but they were all private events right or they're big national events and You go cuz it's there and nobody said you can't go right and you show up and you're Find out that not exactly gonna be the good place for you to be I was just a five-year-old vibe and there wasn't a case where I actually went to a national event and had Playday schedule and had people cancel now I didn't know because I knew all of these women from my travels because when I was on tour right I met a lot of people Sure, and they all went to these events and so I started asking after like the fourth or fifth person decided we need to cancel Right, I decided to ask and this particular party It's who you know to get to go to the private events right? Oh That if you do play with this guy that nobody you're not gonna get invited to The special parties right okay, so that was something that was very clear I understand they flat out say you know I know what as as someone who grew up in LA and diversity you you can't be like I don't see Problems with any of this, but I have family who live in the south and it doesn't occur to me until I go to the south Any kind of like racial discrimination where I'm like wait, I don't understand what do you mean?
It's fine, but it does happen in that well, I mean like it's well. I think you had to think of the community as Well, here's what I always look at it that when you have a big community and there are there's racism going on There's homophobia going on there's all these things going on in the bigger picture and you know if you think about the south and you go That's the place right? But now you take this community and you shrink it mm-hmm What happens is all of those things are on the outside exponentially get bigger because the pool is smaller and people want to hold Tighter yeah small-town mentality yeah, so when you're faced with somebody coming in to be a part of that and You go well, what's going to happen if this person comes in and I'm working in and I'm working in I don't want that to happen So even though la seems are very cosmopolitan and seems to be very forward thinking in all of those things You have to separate that and think about the community as it is from a bigger picture And that's why you see more racism you see more homophobia You see more transphobia you just see more problems here because the numbers are smaller and where it'd be 15% outside It's 30 35% with it, which is crazy I don't even I don't even look at it But we don't we don't see that because we don't have that we don't get those vibes discrimination or whatever because I don't think People who have racist tendencies want to admit their their racist they or homophobic or transphobic they don't want to actually admit that So they're not gonna sit among us and be like oh yes, you know Hey, let's you know we got to get these people out of here It's gonna be more subtle things to where you put your influence on people in private emails and say hey We really don't like this person and and it's just gonna be difficult You know it's gonna be a little more interesting I think it's gonna be a little more so like where in the south we expect people to just walk out and burn crosses and beat up Well, and also I think here at least a threshold my experience we have like this club is built on the premise of pansexual You know open community. It doesn't matter.
So I have a question now This you said was a 96 is that correct around that time? So it's we're 20 years away. Do you notice a difference now? No, are you saying can you answer this question?
I hope I'm not saying it I'm just gonna understand Is how much of it is you're actively discriminated against versus you're not invited and in and made to feel welcome because of your Color or gender or anything that makes you marginalized. It's more the latter because what happens is it's covert It's never as overt as you think it to be like when you go to the south You know certain things are gonna happen and when they happen you're not you're not plus right It says you expect it when you're in someplace like LA or you're in this community where we want to be here because We think that this is gonna be really exciting So the things we come much more subtle and hidden and they become small markers instead of big markers in terms of the racism The homophobia and everything else people want to hide it behind different things, right? Okay, so then my question is and I'm certainly not asking you to give specifics But generally speaking can you give us an idea of what it is that transgender people? Can't keep people of color anybody who is marginalized like that?
What kind of what is it that they experience that makes them feel unwelcome? Well again if you take language as part of it how events are posted make a big impression in terms of whether I feel like I'm welcome They're not when you see things that you go how the bathrooms are identified That on one hand it seems like a very small thing But if I'm transgender or I identify as a female my instincts are to go Bad direction, right? But you walk in and you go immediately I can't do this now there are places where for instance I'm we're talking about all the clothes to what a layer which has no marks on the bathrooms just bathrooms Sure sure, but they have a layout that's more suited to that Here it's not so much because you have two bathrooms Yeah, two bathrooms and you definitely want to have that separation in terms of men and women They go here and there's other changing areas and stuff like and so When we when those of us who feel marginalized it has more to do with the small little things as opposed to the big thing because nobody's ever set Stay out it doesn't happen to that extent right right but once you come in then it becomes Does anybody approach you sure? Anybody approach you just say hi do people welcome you into conversations Little things like that or do the people that are actually running the event actually come and speak show you around talk about things Now here people come in that door and if they're identified as new somebody walks in that's rational, right?
Now what happens after that because it's one thing to give somebody a tour and then leave them alone as opposed to give them a tour and check in with them Which the DMs and the people and all of the the board members that I shall do a good job of and I'm not saying they don't do that We're also I'm talking about special here now The things that make a difference to all of us are the small things you look at things and there was a young lady Actually brought up the word permission We don't want to feel like we have to have anyone's permission to come to events and participate in this community But people make it feel like you have to have my permission in order to do so Okay, so then my question is isn't there a difference between being oppressed and being offended? Yes, you okay So how much responsibility do I have to make if someone else feels offended at something that I said that was not sexist It was not racist. It was not it couldn't be classified in any way So if somebody comes in and is offended because the bathroom says men and women How much of that is there offended and how much of it is there being actively oppressed? Okay, that's not being oppressed in my in my opinion And I'll be the first to admit the transgender issue was something that I was not well versed on when we started the round table Sure, even lesbian gay and bi issues were not things that I was well versed on and I'm still in it in my mind Seeing the sign that's not oppressed because it's not something that is institutional here as it is outside Right that it's not something that is meant to put on the door to go You cannot come in this door Yeah, the signs we have on the bathrooms is to keep people that will abuse men that will abuse and and Cause the female guests to be uncomfortable because we've had it and we have creepers that go in they go great I can just wear a shirt at threshold We identify the bathrooms if you identify as a female you can use the the bathroom So the trans community doesn't have a problem with that and I think that's one thing that needs to be vocalized more because that's one thing That people don't yeah, I mean this is where people walk in and they go I don't see it that way the way you just explained it They don't see it that way, but how much is this because I'm hearing I'm hearing you out and I'm hearing this what?
The people who feel not welcome and whatever are hearing and I think I'm gonna go with Kathy on this that I understand that These are issues that I need to know the bathroom issue That's the thing we need to talk about and I think when we did talk about that at the diversity summit that a lot of people who felt offended Understood a little better once it was like hey, you know what creepers are gonna abuse this This isn't a this isn't an easy fix creepers will abuse this I think people understood, but I'm kind of getting Kind of along with Kathy that is the person that is offended asking a question. Hey, I don't feel welcome here Is there a reason for that? I mean and I understand some people are socially awkward But I know a lot of but hurt people and I don't care It's not gender race any of that but hurt people or but hurt people people that expect me to come in there and make them feel welcome In a social setting where you have to step up a little bit I had to step up a little bit and ask questions And if I felt that people didn't get me or understand me then there was a certain amount And I'm not saying that these things don't exist in that we as leaders of the community and leaders of these things Don't have more of an obligation to say how can we make people feel more welcome? But I'm damn damn fucking stern on the fact that there is an equal responsibility If you feel offended by me and you don't ask me or you don't say hey This is what I'm thinking then you're on your own because I can't read minds, you know Here's here's here's a while give my take on because I really believe that look like you said people have to step up and Do some of their own right if you want to be part of something you have to step into it and make and make the gesture And it's not that I'm saying that people who run events host events the dungeon Don't just have to come in and sit on these people when they come in you don't have to I never felt like if I walked in the door Bells and whistles had to go off and hey black guys here, right?
Which it does because you're a make-o and it's fucking fly. I don't know what you're saying. You guys look That's another thing, but I don't look for that what I look for is someone that at least acknowledge my presence right and And Just if you pass by acknowledge me again I'm good with that and I understand that people have to step up and speak their minds People have to come up and actually join things in order to make things happen because it doesn't happen from standing on the other side That's why we started and that socially awkward goes across all those four that does that's everything But it gets magnified if I walk in and I have something that sets me apart right and gives people a real reason not to engage me Right and that happens like I said more subtly than overtly but it happens So as the other thing that you have to consider is there is a feeling of not being safe right to ask those questions That there's a certain level of expected or anticipated violence that may come out of that and it may not be physical It may be more mental, but there's that expectation that the reaction will be more charged if I do this and We're looking at that from the perspective of what happens outside right? Okay, I feel that And there are some people who are very very good at standing up for themselves I look at it and say how I really made my way in this I just felt like whatever doors close to me.
I can cut a fucking hole somewhere else in my own door Not everybody has that option right not everybody will do that. It's just We come to this place feeling ostracized and look down on and judge and it's not just people of colorness not people from the lesbian gay or trans community All of us who are active in this community Felt that that we could never say this is what we're into and if we did people judge us harshly right when people started finding the community You walk in and you think that this is going to be so welcoming And I'm going to find that place that I can come and just be who I am and when you walk in and you can't do that You're disillusioned it is and I'm not saying it doesn't happen for everybody because it happens on some level no matter what because this Community is more judgmental than the outside world. Well, you're talking about a community based on rules You are talking about literally power exchanges rules and guidelines, especially if you're talking old-school leather They you need a handbook just to walk in and say hi So I mean I I think the important thing that is being done through the diversity round table through just open communication You people may not like what other people's opinions are that come out after it But the important thing is the questions are being asked and like you said other other establishment Besides special or bringing to the table and saying hey We may not be posting these at the door But these are the internal changes that are happening in our structures and these are all they may not be fireworks They may not be huge loud signs and neon but they're becoming this the I feel that the community is working on being more Sensitive to just more than just their their so they're norm and I look I agree with that I think when I look around and I see I go to clubs and I particularly I see A community that is emerging to be the way we all would like it to look you're seeing much more you're seeing people that would only show up For instance for trans events or gay events would only show up for those right and those nights that are now coming to pansexual and every now and I'm looking up and it was really funny because that there was a situation of BOD that happened for no and it was this was Maybe a year and a half ago two years ago Cool party everybody's having a good time and I happened to look up and I went There's a bunch of black people in here and at the same time we all kind of looked up and went So all of a sudden we all just glummed on each other and stood there and went this is great There's like more than four of us here, and so let's just stand real close to each other and maybe they won't throw us out But it was the one thing that you looked up and you go there are pockets and there are things that you go okay we're here and People are showing some signs of acceptance It's still got a long ways ago Yes, but I look at and you say my first impression was from back in 1996 to now 20 years later And go has it really changed a great deal and really reality is it really hasn't but what I'm seeing is I'm seeing more than young people That are coming in and in the TNG group is where I'm seeing the biggest change because they're coming in with a diverse crowd That when you look at them they have every spectrum of the community in their group and they're walking in together, right? It's the old dogs like ourselves that are finding it hard to kind of adjust and move in There was a term that came out of this that was really good We often say we want allies to come to the round table We want allies in the same and the term that came out of it was actually comrade Because an ally will be their situational the comrade is on your side and is there no matter what?
So that term for me made a lot made a big impression because the people that I know that I'm close with in the community Or more than allies to me There are people who are who know what I've been through in order to be here and support it They support everything I've ever done in order to be in this community And I think the biggest takeaway for all of us was that the community wants to have this this has been a national discussion not just an LA discussion the community wants this to happen and the fact of the matter is it's going to happen because It's just a force of nature that is going to sure and as all of us guys over 60 are aging out of all of this stuff Right, it's just gonna be we're gonna look up on Dan It's gonna be you're not the guy in front anymore, right? And when that starts to happen you're gonna look up and you're gonna say okay This is what the community can be because the people that are coming in now are bringing it with them. So well there we go Welcome change. Yeah, great discussion great discussion Wait, look at me.
Is my turn to the next second line? I'm just looking. Oh, you're gonna be sad when you figure out what the next segment is You don't know So last week there last week we we picked to fetish really I think Sam did Sam picked it this is your fault So I'll just start by asking a few questions if you guys can answer them. Maybe that would help us along No, no Just go along with it.
She's a few weeks. Are you a fool for a pocket pool? Do the seams of your jeans hide their secret man cream Do you think it's not strange to spend 11 minutes in your pockets digging for change oh Then you may have a tendency towards Sacco Riku sis Sacco ficosis Master baiting your genitalia while your hands are in your pockets twist in the tip flippin the nads fingertip python swallowing What fingertip python swallowing hold up your hands make it make a hand like five now put your fingers together without closing a fist And I go That's why I just made it up this is done out of habit self coddling sexual gratification or for the thrill of getting away with Master baiting in public or around others you have sexual desires for Someone we both know that just was talking and just kind of you know With the junk while he's talking to a room full of people I'm like you're speaking brilliant shit But you know you're just gotta let go of the junk bro, you know actually I know a lot of guys words like You do it It's adjusting for 11 minutes or more it may be more than adjusting This is something that that is apparently really common Don't you guys cut a hole? I mean some people really do they will cut the bottom part of their pocket in their pants So they can actually get some some bare hand on ween and just stand in public like in a subway or whatever and just pull their Pull their people ignore the obvious if you're not making you obviously if you grab the tip of your dick and squeeze That is a you know that is a sensation, you know, I'm speaking from just philosophy You're dead People do it some of it is like self coddling they're very nervous, so it's like that touching your junk kind of get some Like I'm okay, I'm doing it right now.
I can see that I own my shit. Please put your dick away I'm just rubbing my junk right now My junk But no, this is a thing that people do it is obviously It can be awkward but Technically I guess yeah, but how you gonna prove to the you know the cops are gonna go Fries it like grab your hand and freeze it over your junk and then tase you I mean depending on what area you are even if it's like a subconscious thing and you're like oh, I don't know in church or Or in the hallway a threshold grabbing your ship on the hallway. Yeah, that's that's definitely against the rules But yeah, I mean it's it's it's a thing. I know they didn't call it a feel you they called it a cosis Which means that it's a disorder.
Yeah, it's some kind Like a tick like when you have a tick if it's a nervous dick, but if it's intention what what do you tell me no? I've seen guys who were there. It's like they're reminded or they get nervous and like yeah, it's not meant to draw you Someone's attention to the Got the bat wing and the bad sticks to the fine. Oh, you know, I didn't need that picture of my head every guy Hang on I'm gonna get them enough of them in her hair Oh, oh, that's much better.
Can you get a fan on that? Like when a girl sits down on like vinyl and short shorts. Yeah, doesn't that don't you guys ever like a label? No, but you get a tampon string Underwear and then you go and stand up.
Oh, what the hell was that? I mean, I've definitely had some words like you sit down or something or like But I will excuse myself to the restroom Yo, the only thing actually I will say girls are bad about it is the boob adjust Is that it's a it's a wrap the bra and men like a shift women don't like to watch men grab themselves? Oh, but it's okay if you guys readjust your sweaty underboob wouldn't you agree? I'm gonna do this because a little excited we can take this elsewhere.
It's just something that happens But it is but there is those that actually cut the hole in and actually go to places and that is that is douchey and Yes, it's very long with vinegar. I really I when I'm DMing. I really want to spray bottle. You should you should get that big squirt And then you have that yes, all right.
That's good. So we we found a new thing out is a sacro frickosis if you are Stamps should happens Jingle in one show It's a way of being Rimming me a pig Did you just rim a toy? Okay Because you know we talk about so much king diversity and relationships and things and things that affect you know in our king community and things that but I want us to also spend some time just talking about sex fucking relationships not in vanilla sex. No, I mean no Straight forward kind of yes, no, I'm straight Chemistry sex now just to run off on a tangent here because you use the term vanilla Kingie people use that to describe non-king people and in it's and it's great and it's cute But it's actually derogatory and I've had like so many people that are like my sex is not boring and plain and that's kind of the impression that your sex is vanilla It's boring and plain and so we use this term vanilla to describe you and you're lesser than our sex.
So here they are No, what I think vanilla means and see if you go with me this vanilla is uninspired repetitive non-connected sex I don't please just fucking go. We're working about the term don't don't backpedal a term that you guys use You guys are like trying to like make excuses for the fact that you use it for the term Describe vanilla by saying I actually like vanilla. It's actually very good flavor Are you done? Don't play cake people?
I think that you're thinking about it in the pejorative vanilla is a delicious flavor And it is the basis of almost every sweet thing out there you are correct Thank you so much for making the people that we insult feel better about themselves Why do you use the term vanilla to describe people who aren't into king? It's also because most of time it's a defensive mechanism because if you have kinky sex It was not called kinky. It was called perverted and twisted. Okay, so good.
So now we're getting into the terms That's why we haven't even gotten into the topic. No, we're gonna talk about sex right now So non-kink sex so non-kink sex or If you describe it as vanilla vanilla is I call it non-kink when I when I speak on panels I try to say non-kink because you don't have to be kinky in order to have great sex with your partner You don't have to tie people up You don't have to do spankings you don't have to do any of these things all you need is the the basis of what we do teaching this lifestyle Which is chemistry Connection negotiation and intention and giving a fuck about who you are with and I know you look bored for my fucking speech a biz So we are trying to help people who may not be into SNM play some people don't like pain But they like talking but they like fucking so we want to get into some topics that the people who listen to our show that aren't necessarily kinky But they like all the relationship aspects that we talk about and apply that to their relationships that we also want to give them some actual sex advice and and things that are That of sexual Rodeo Yeah, what is FICA? Oh, yeah, FICA is is apparently a banking statement. We're gonna call it Pika But that's uh too much like yeah, that is fun intimacy comfort and ability to climb back because today we are dealing with Sex, musicians, musicians Were you bored?
I just wanted to make you know, so we're gonna talk about Using a yohindi mood I even made it like a loop just to keep that going. We'll just keep it in the background. No. Just what we're gonna talk about sex positions You know doesn't give you like a No, that's not Okay, so we're gonna talk about sex positions today, okay, and we all have given everyone an assignment because in proper podcast education We're gonna start doing more actual Felicio kind of lingo sex positions You know ways to spice it up in the bedroom in the non-jing way.
Did he just say we're having kind of lingo See you're on the show we will show 69 oh Show 69 on the bed of a moral the bit of a moral delight, okay, absolutely there will be a 69 I haven't quite arranged it yet, but there will happen it'll probably include mark most likely Or my and some other victim and abyss. Oh look at this No, I mean 69 those show 69 Okay, we start we're gonna start if you guys would let me just get into it without your derogatory terms But positions there are dozens away for you to interlock yourself with your partner different positions allow for different access to pleasure some increase intimacy Some help you detach from too much intimacy some objectify some positions look great in porn or your fantasies But are actually not practical for your partners pleasure or even yours. So let's talk about sex positions So we're gonna just start tackling we're gonna do this more often We're gonna take on three sex positions and we have it broken down into a grading system We're gonna first talk about the position and then we have the FICA Which is and I want to get actual data from our listeners and from you guys where we actually grade on a scale of one to ten The different aspects of each position which is fun intimacy comfort and ability to climax. So let's go first To everybody's favorites.
Well, not everybody's favorite not everybody's not everyone But for those of us that maybe like to detach a little bit more from our partners good old doggy style What's you know, what's your favorite position? Yes? Good answer by the way Kathy what decision what position do I do so doggy stuff Sam? Doggy styling girl on top for Sam Okay sideways one we'll get to that one we'll get to that one But let's first start with doggy style.
What is good about doggy style. What do you like about doggy style me first? Yeah, it is slightly degrading and nasty that is what turns me on hmm very good. I mean I'd like to give all kinds of really great Do you want to just do with the fight good thing because that's gonna be well?
No, I okay, we can do that but also first for those of our listeners I'm sure most people understand that doggy styles anytime that the the male or the person with the strap on is behind the person And goes into the poker yes the poker That is you're either standing behind them at the edge of the bed you're either on your knees behind them The person receiving is on their hands and knees yes with their bottom area Elevated and facing the poker there you go and we'll find we'll work on this obviously it's a new segment We're gonna work this out. It's gonna be more than just sex positions, but there's hundreds of sex positions But doggy style this what you like about doggy style? It's good spots, but that's where I where I was like can we go off the score thing because my head explanations Okay, so we can go for the score so on a scale of one to ten ten being the best as far as doggy style being fun What do you rate it? I give it an eight.
It's pretty good. Okay. That's fun I mean it's a good thing Intipacy I give it a four because if you are the one receiving you're staring at a wall or a pillow or a pillow or whatever So you're not really there's not much That's just more the feeling of the position. Okay, and then see for comfort I give it a six because depend like on me depending With a lot of women because of hormonal changes their pelvis can tip and you can just slam into that cervix Oh my god, that is so painful.
I hate it when that happens and some people that's that's their jam But for me, I will turn around and deck a dude. Yeah, yeah, or I'll go and it's it becomes a sideways hopping after doggy style And ability to come I gave it a five It's a 50-50 shot because if it's hitting the right spot then yeah, we're good Sure, you're talking about an internal orgasm What I like about doggy style is the fact that the female is in a position or the receiver is in the position to where there is space Between their junk and the ground or the bed or whatever There's like a foot in there So you can actually get a hand in there and have the person masturbate themselves or you can even fit a Hitachi or a vibrator something like that So I really like that because I think it allows for extra so for external orgasms. I think doggy style is a great position for that What do you think? You ever like you have a Hitachi on there?
Just fucking ram it on top. I don't like the Hitachi's do anything for me What about your hands? Well, no, I had a one for ability to come because I cannot I tried it It's very distracting and I'm also a very fat person and it's you would think it would be easier for me. It really isn't Hmm.
It's not you ever do pillow pillow and doggy style. You can do that. Yeah, you've mentioned that one before it's it takes a problem Oh god, that's why if I'm with a guy they can or a girl with a strap on they can't do reach around because I'm too big Well, you do the pillow thing for some people because obviously the upper body strength starts to wear down after a while being pounded From the person receiving so if you take a stack of pillows and put them under the chest because obviously the pill is not gonna Push in the breast that that hard as far as a hard surface would so you get some extra support If you put pillows under that I've tried I mean we do that with whenever I'm hog-tied because I have to have the extra support here To keep my face off of the right I can breathe but no it's just I've tried a few and it's very distracting and it takes away from the pleasure That I already I'm feeling I'm trying to come I'm trying to make it happen. It's not working but for fun and so forth You still it's what I put you on an eight.
That's good intimacy intimacy is a one because that's that's being used. Yes That's what doesn't for me You just feel like you're being used and then comfort I'm back up to an eight It's a very comfortable position for me. It doesn't matter whether I'm just bent over a bed or if I'm actually No, I'm sorry. Yes, you're right.
Well wait hands and knees very very comfortable one. All right spanky Yeah, I like it so Because I can get more of the body involved right that way sure and you can always lean in bring a person back to you So you can have a little bit of the intimacy you can get an area you do a lot of different things from that position So for me. Yeah for fun in the advanced up there. It's good and it is my preferred position for coming sure Okay, I love it for me fun.
I'm gonna say nine No fucking nine. I love dog I love getting behind I love being able to grab the hips and pull that sledding to me and just fucking ram it until I Write a post about that one because spine Yes, and plus you can get away with doing incredible things making incredible faces and roleplays because we'll never know In a pillow and I'm like pretending I'm skiing down a mountain and fighting pirates Yes Every now and again, there's a mirror in front I get caught, you know, and I'm like fighting aliens I'm grabbing her by the hips or by their fucking ponytails and using them as like lasers You're not very subtle are you sometimes no, but no, I love it. So for fun. It's a nine for me for intimacy This is see this is where I knew this is why we need the opinions of women and men on this so we can get a good Great and once we're gonna post something as soon as I find the program to make an actual survey on perverted podcast calm So people can get and we can get a lot of data for this and when we build the positions section then we'll have good Great, but for men I think the intimacy is much different in doggy style because I have all of you Even though I may not be looking into your eyes and telling you that your hair product is really great Um, I have you and I have all of you so I'm still like completely over you I'm watching your body and all of your movements I have the woman in my possession when it's doggy style for me I will say receiving doggy style zero and like really low on intimacy when I am giving doggy style with a strap on with a strap on It is a very different experience because you can actually watch what's going on You can see what's going on you can see the hips of the person you can see, you know You entering them and it's a very intimate like moment But if you are just receiving like I said you got pillowcases and well So yeah, plus you can talk and ask you know You do more dirty talk because it's just now you fucking like that don't you dirty bitch and they're like yes Answer but you can talk more so friends intimacy with me.
I would say a seven to an eight as far as comfort It's the only way my spine can go if I'm standing up straight and fucking you from behind like standing at the edge of the bed doggy Style like I'm standing like I measure my beds when I buy a bed It has to be you either have a missionary position bed like a comfy hooker position or you have or you have doggy style on The edge of your bed and the bed I have right now is doggy style bed so I can stand at the edge of bed Please if you have a slick floor throw down a yoga mat, please Because there is nothing that looks more like two dogs fucking badly than when you're trying to fucking get busy behind someone and your feet Sorry just all broke my dick so for comfort my spine goes in that direction So I give it a nine and ability to climax. I don't really like to climax but for I'd say a seven on that All right, we're just gonna do one more because we had a bunch of them But we're running we're running late, so let's just take the comfy hooker And and then go from comfy hooker I made up that name today. Yeah, all right comfy hooker is a missionary style position where let's say you're on the bed She is on her back. Yeah, her legs are propped up.
There's a pillow under her ass and Her legs are up like they would not go over her shoulders not over her shoulders No, just up or yeah You can rest it you're she can rest her feet on his shoulders right put him on his chest whatever and it kind of pushes you back In that way to give you a lot of access and a deeper penetration in a missionary position So I call that the comfy hooker because hookers been time on her back and she's now comfy so comfy hooker I like it trademark pending anyone It's called the comfy hooker. What's what do you have another name for it? I want to go into a back restful My least favorite position is what I would call it. All right.
Why don't you like it? Well, every one of these goddamn fica scores that I give you Is gonna be having to do with my size and my fat. Well, that's that's that's okay It is incredibly uncomfortable because and it's the guy it's creative explorers favorite position Right with me because he knows I don't like it and so fun is one for me, right? How how explicit do you want me to get do you really want to hear about all my fat?
Wow, because that's what happens He pushes my legs up and all my fat from my stomach and my breasts and my neck gets scrunched up And I look like this fucking take that's about to pop so basically I don't even know because I'm jiggling all over the place and it is so fucking uncomfortable and I'm a total pervert the fact that I don't like it. He's making me do it is what gets me out So comfy hookers so intimacy kind of shattered the intimacy he's looking at me. He won't look away and I can't look away So there is a great deal of intimacy. I'm sorry.
Yes. I hate it six there very good comfort is one No, but back to one. I don't climb extreme sex. Okay.
Yeah, very enough abyss comfy hooker For fun actually enjoy it It's just one it's also another one where I can play with myself. It's a good position for that So you have eight hitoches during a comfy hooker. I don't know where we're putting all these I don't want to get like a rugby jar or something So after fun wise I probably give it a solid like seven. I enjoy it seven seven or eight intimacy.
It is one of those forced Eye contact which in some cases be really nice And for comfort, it's a good angle for me because it's not slamming cervix. So it's actually like it's it's a really angle wise. It's good and it's a deeper penetration and As far as ability to come yeah, I give it so it's seven Look at that I'm gonna go eight on fun because it's just it's fun because you have someone there on the bed Standing at the edge of the bed comfy hooker is better But on the bed it's a little harder because my back has to kind of push forward But if I can get you around your legs that because you're putting your leg your feet on my chest or over my head I can now reach down and grab around the tops of your legs on your quadriceps And I can kind of pull you in and get access that way so it can be comfortable I gave it about a six for comfort and then intimacy eight I'm still not going to stare at your goddamn eyes the whole time because that's just goddamn awkward We're gonna slap a blindfold on her pretty much. No, no, I've done that more than once I have done that.
I'm like ah, I like this position, but just yeah, so it's an eight for Looking at me. I love your hair. I love you. I love everything about you I'm so glad that we're gonna get married someday Kathy don't put your hand up.
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