so if you say falafel she has to show pubes are look at that that totally worth uh... okay cathy um... tell what what is your plan that i have not tell her not so how do i have a thing with run out of that if you say certain things she has to expose certain parts of her body's own eyes so i'm trying uh... tricrous on you know that her queson she's pulling down she's waiting to go over oh my god all my god this is the greatest to start to any perverted podcast episode so if you say that then she bends over and shows your bubble what was the first one well twinkies what is twinkies do twinkies gets in now she's going over there and titties everyone well god damn it let's start a show okay let's let's let's push this button and start a show following shows for mature audiences only listener discretion is advised and if you don't like it please go fuck yourself three-four do you feel your sex life is quite lame scared of your desires might be strange come and join the kinky world of play thank you thank you for the broadcast of the show we explore the adventures of the kinky lifestyle sex and power version recording live from the threshold level of north hollywood california for a part of our perverted studio audience hello perverts i'm happy i am a bit you are not well apple is sitting in a business chair so i don't know this i'm proud of what do you i'm apple i guess i'm the new uh...
temporary biz you're just here today's your today's substitute a biz your sub abyss and i am kalpugi and this is an amazing show creepy stop did you just put a picture of taties on cathys back uh... things on my back well for the perfect has listens the way we sit in the level of its kind of small so cathys back is the most of the audience and so all the things behind my paul area creepier now comparing notes as to what to paste on her back so like you know playboy which we have a stack of here we have a snack of those here look at these cities vintage nineteen nineteen of these nineteen eighties playboy true story true story see this issue right here everyone see this okay so we're doing a video christmas booty right so we're doing a perfect as video for christmas it's an old song about the next week so i'm like okay the scene and i'm supposed to be guy waking up in a bed by myself with a bunch of porn around so i'm like a little bit of porn so i go into the library threshold because i know there's all sorts of old shitty porn in there and i said all playboys are stacks of fucking old playboys from the eighties and nineties and i go through these these things i'm like okay i'm just gonna grab and i swear to god and i see this issue this issue i want everyone to take note of this issue which is april nineteen eighty one playboy entertainment for men and like a fucking sack of bricks i said oh my god i had this issue when i was fucking eleven years old my dad had given me this issue it was one of my first fucking explorations i had like three i had the bode aric issue i had this and then later on in a trash bin i found a hustler and i swear to god campy apple everybody i don't know if you ever had some type of smacking revelation of thirty five years of distance this magazine and i swear i started thumbing through it and like every joke every line of course you're twelve eleven whatever twelve thirteen years old you memorize every fucking line of your playboy and like it was like no time had passed whatsoever i'm all there's a bear there's a thing there's oh my god i use that joke all the time i didn't even realize where some of my personality coming and just look back and see this issue perverted podcast listeners part of who i am and how i express myself sexually is based on the first my first impressions of sexuality and pornography wow here it is you know what though so now i want to pass out some of these playboys so everybody can start having their their experiences with um non um yeah harry pussies from the eighties and nineties you know it's a good thing that's not the actual when you had or it would have your dry jizzle no no no i never okay show up hands perverted podcast audience um how many of you guys have ever jerked guys obviously have ever jerked off onto a magazine by accident okay by accident okay hunger what have you ever jerked off onto a magazine not on to actually just really just what do you mean not onto actually what i mean like there's a sort of thing that it just started floating in its own sort of parallure universe it hovers it hovers ladies and gentlemen hunger has uh loading spooch thank you cool well applies that is very interesting it is a microphone right there okay uh when i did jerk off on the magazine someone else had already jerked off on it to give me the permission to do it i really didn't know that was the only time oh that is like a like like doing a two-way a three way on a fucking magazine i have no idea who seaman it was it was like i found you know like when you're young you find the shit right in trash bins and yeah jerk off on it because it was already it was already stuck together somebody had paved the way did you just rip the page thank you for donating creepiest foundies stuck together uh i'm just gonna keep this article so that was that was big to me actually apple who are you uh what do you mean apple what do you do what do you hear she's a member of the devil's mass society or his hollywood daddy calls it the rope cult the rope cult is a very good name for that um so i've been in the scene for like two and a half years i joined the roby cult and it's just sort of been my thing she's an instructor for beginners though right that's what you'd mostly teach um yeah so i tie like personally because um with a bunch of play partners that it's it's nice to have bodies to tie um that's what i always said as opposed to chair legs yeah it's more intimate um and then um i helped teach beginner rope classes in in la for new people that want to get into it nice nice so we brought you down we love you love the way you tie your your a lot of fun so we're like okay sit down sit in the fucking chair everyone has to do it at one point everyone has to sit in the in the guest host chair and uh and pipe in so you have permission to speak by the way you can do it yeah and talk a lot of shit about cathie because she has a fucking ego like nobody's business and you just gotta shut the bitch out let's am i projecting what else is going oh my god oh my god it's only a few weeks away mmm it's only a few weeks ago adult time oh my god the preparations have been furious adult time december 16th 17th and 18th at the LA convention center it's just it's just porn star boobies it's just an entire like 20 million square feet of nothing but porn star boobies with little little back black tape on them are there boobs and rope that's what you really want like tied up well if you were gonna come and demo at the perverted podcast playground maybe some boobies in rope because we're coming down there we're teaching classes we're teaching like five so all beginner type classes how to improvise your kink you know basic spanking wax play you know uh erotic massage stuff like that um but so exciting to just be down there and for them to invite us down to just you know kind of teach their non kinky audience about kink so it's really like an introduction and and so it's gonna be i'm excited we've been working my ass off it's quite a schedule you put together there's a lot of classes a lot of demos i didn't really i mean we've done events like this but for me you know either you're doing the demos or the you know teaching some classes and to just put everything both together it's been a lot to put together the classes mostly the demos we do that stuff all the time demos and panels but it's a lot three days of all kinds of three days three days so uh i'm just excited it's gonna i don't care if nobody shows up to our booth we'll just be standing we're just gonna be there why would anybody come to us when there are boobies or boobies i think they're the way the the owner of the event kind of explained it is like hey you know there's boobies you know but but sometimes people need to you know lunch you know or something so maybe they're gonna come and sit so we're kind of the background music but you know because we're doing kink and we're actually trying things like if you want to try wax play if you want to try getting clothespin's put on your spanking or cropping or you know some basic bondage and stuff like that you can come to the perverted podcast playground and we will try this just like we do it all the threshold events where we have people that actually give samples you know what they're doing so it's actually it could be really cool people could be i've done it in events like that before and people love it you know they're just like i've never i don't even know what the hell this is and then all of a sudden here you are hey why don't you feel some wax on your arm or a violet wand on your nut sack or something like that yeah i would want that just to be dinner in some stuff then we staple someone's dick to abort or something you know just to get them just to get their feet wet pretty much nobody please taster yeah it's just a taster it's just a taster it's just just a tip well just the taster owned parable is in place somebody in our community just did that i don't want to know yeah yeah they they they cut off some scandony and he fried up her skin and was seasoned it and then fed it to her huh you're into that ronada is into that go go go go up there yeah when i was younger i used to you know like want to try someone's you know flash oh so you want to eat not take care of life that'd be stupid but actually eating some okay by show of hands if you had a chance to try human meat and you wouldn't go to jail for it just to try in a fucking taco how many people raise your hands how many people one two three depending on the chick really three there's okay and ronada okay four four at like 12 there's actually an event where they do that what there's a king of that called blood and bone where actually do cook with human blood oh human blood okay but like actually chewing on a you know doodler a chick they could cook with human blood what cook cook cook your death and blind you motherfucker jesus christ oh my god go on no okay i got to share this because i need you guys to support me um i might have done something bad and so i need you guys to help i i might have yes and thank you um sometimes i'm excited and i teach mark things that is exciting and fun and and sometimes i don't think forward about marks enthusiasm and the potential future danger and consequences oh pucky what did you do so yesterday it was really rainy here we don't get a lot of rain so it was rainy and we had you know the three of us and four of us were here and it was like our slumber party who was the four of us uh it was uh bubbles and uh what is go she hasn't picked a name yet okay so mysterious other a hot check um so we're having our thing and we're shooting the video and uh and so it's raining and marks like hey let's go out and drive in the rain you know we have just let's get out and do something and you know me i'm a shut in but you know there's three hot chicks that want to go out and so you're like all right you know fine so we're driving in the rain and i'm like i don't know what came over me like i was 12 again or like stupid and i'm like go down this street if you want to see some shit because i know down the hunger is like industrial and the streets are shitty and it just fills with puddles of water like almost halfway across the street so i basically might have taught mark hydroplaining and you know kind of hitting the puddles really fast and getting in the middle of them and spring and that car turned into a car of screaming ten-year-olds they rolled down the windows and mark just fucking barrel through these things made videos the water squirting in the car there's my and all of a sudden i instantly realized as excited as mark was this is bad and i need to explain to her every possible risk of doing this to a little too again you're gonna you know you're gonna wet your breaks you gotta give yourself lots of distance okay there's gonna be puddles i start going this and she's like i don't get a fuck you just see this teeny little person turning to this mad max driver just blare and i'm like no no you don't understand this is fun but you know you're gonna die and that's why people people just so i basically you endangered the promising future yes three lovely girls it will be because i just saw by the look on her face that she she was just not hearing the safety aspects of it maybe because it came a little too late she's just like and literally she said she's driving through there like fuck yeah and i'm like okay just give yourself some distance there's a car coming up because she's like i know you're saying stuff but i am not listening oh boogie so uh yeah just another day on bed with a bondage kink and freaky sex and his brief the type of things you see on bed might believe you have behind you or possibly her blax for your peace of mind please know that the other every post we talk about a specifically granted permission to do you want to be a biz no i just barked because in the song i either put a wolf there there's a dog barking so i just went whoop all right we only have one post today it's by boy josh and it's called our first bad scene oh this is great yeah i was great i'm gonna give you a little it's a long post and she's uh there he's talking about him and his girlfriend they're doing a scene and he gets bratty with her which is something that they do once in a while he mouths off and he's like yeah so they deal with an inforcial punish me they do it and everything is great but she ends up having some kind of a meltdown because he realizes oh my god i just fucked up the scene we were supposed to have this romantic thing and instead i pushed her into punishing me and she he starts to spiral before you know it he's on the floor he's curled up in a fetal position he's sobbing his eyes out and she's trying to tell him it really do it it's no problem everything is good and it ends up being good but this is uh what how he concludes it he says we had survived our first bad scene the deep distress i felt vanished as quickly as it came we said our apologize and reassurances and we moved on with our evening no shadow looming over it no baggage it was done sometimes bad moments are strong corner zones just as much if not more so than good ones in fact i'd argue that when all was said and done it was a good moment at some point something like what happened is bound to happen again people screw up and shit happens even when no one screws up things go sideways will be just fine i love this post so much because i absolutely agree when he says that sometimes strong corner zones happen because of bad moments if not more so than good moments everything that i have ever had that has been a phenomenal learning point for me has come from something really shitty in your life that's the half-loser way which i hate and yet it happens and i have had several scenes slip sideways and it is never a big deal as much as i think it is we always get over it quickly if you have someone you communicate well with it's never really a big deal so i i'd love this post i thought it was very well written do you know anything to add in guesshos um i agree like having bad moments is how you learn because you're not going to it's an opportunity to get closer with your partner like i had an experience where i was playing with one of my partners and i had another one that was very into humiliation but this one wasn't and i forgot and i said like no no it was because i was very in the moment and i said something bad and he got like i called him something like i can't even remember something like lipstick or something oh you just had to go for the throw you couldn't even get your hairs funny just had to own but i and then when i saw his face like i was just devastated because i did a bad thing because in that moment when we were playing i forgot that mental checklist of realizing that no this person doesn't like that you have another play partner that does and like he was upset he had to like let him like have a space we talked about it and after that was actually really good learning experience and became closer and now it's one of those things where i very very like careful not to do stupid shit like that or like be like more cognizant of it because i i never want that again so i know even though you you do learn shit from it you never forget that feeling of yeah you know you just fucked it up yeah like i think i'm getting like tight chested just thinking about it well also because if you're a decent human being and you have empathy for your partner you should care that you know you did a bad thing if i was a complete sociopath i'd be like well fuck it whatever i think once again like just like the thing said i don't think i've learned shit that hasn't nearly killed me or me kill someone else like i don't have enough memory like i need i'm such a drug addict mentality that literally if something doesn't nearly like just devastate my entire world i won't even remember it for more than an hour so like as horrible as it is you i can't grow without pain and suffering and doing something really bad that has a really negative effect if i didn't overdose on drugs i would still be doing drugs if i had overdosed multiple times on drugs and have bad experiences and it still didn't stop me so it's i think it's so important to embrace that and just be able to say this is part of living this is you know having these experiences just really part of how humans remember most of us don't remember unless there's some bad trigger feeling that goes oh that's shitty that feels i don't want to do that again and then when things like come up or you see a a color or a billboard or somebody says a word and that triggers that kind of remembrance from that thing yeah absolutely and it's going to happen you're full if you think it's not going to happen in race car driving they say there's only two kinds of drivers those who have hit the wall and those who are going to hit the wall because at some point you're going to have a scene slip sideways and when you do remember this conversation you heard i'm worried about it i think the thing that uh i get most excited about this is and i'm glad that the poster talked about i think this was a good scene and of course when it sucks it sucks you had a plan that it was going to be romantic and you're going to have this incredible thing and then it when it went sideways and you had whatever okay what i love about playing with humans because that's what i choose to do as opposed to sit and play video games for decades of my life when i decided that humans were more interesting than video games because i didn't have that control in video games i have all the control i can find i'm the worst i find the god cheat and i just fucking play the game i just want to own everything and be the god but when you deal with humans it's organic and they change and they they you can start with an intention i have started scenes that were laughy happy scenes and like literally just turn not spiral they turn into complete weeping sobbing uh you know weeping buda scenes where the person i was playing with who was one second was laughing had now gotten to a space where she experienced the pain and suffering of every living creature and started processing seeing different things die and rot and and she just balled and i checked in with her and she and it wasn't a stop check in you know there's a way to do it to where you're just like hey where are you okay i'm gonna continue and we went on for like another hour and a half and she just went through life after life after life and had this incredible cathartic moment and a connection with her own life and existentialism whatever if i had tried to control that scene as the top and said hey man i started with some laughing fucking shit man we're gonna do some light things i was gonna get a blowjob later if i would have gone down that road a you're not playing with a human you're now trying to control something like a video game and b you never would have had that experience so i tried to tell a lot of my my play partner is when we negotiate or when we talk i'm like look let's be organic if it goes somewhere then let's just follow it because that's so much more interesting it's so much more interesting even if you have a plan and it and it it's just so much more i think that's so many scenes that have gone completely fucking somewhere else and those have all been just incredible i think you embrace that more than i do really i'm more yeah i i'm more like apple like you're cringing just think about it you never ever want to have that experience again but i've actually heard you say that you look forward to moments like that i do so cathartic i do because it's real it's fucking real i lived a fake life i mean between video games and religion and all the shit that i lived the fake world and let me tell you it's very not satisfying so when you all of a sudden come into a place where we have an opportunity to get with people and have a real moment with them and even though it may be a little awkward or whatever and i'm not talking about pain it sucks that pan i don't look forward to doing something shitty like when i fucking went over board on mark during our interrogation scene okay that felt kind of shitty but it was still an amazing learning moment and she masturbated about it for like a week so because she likes consensual nonsense which worked out to my favorite i didn't go to jail but yeah you know but uh well that was a great post that was yeah i decided i could talk about it thank you it's also good to look at that experience at the learning opportunity and not as some sort of like mark on your relationship sure i think that's how you get past it and how you become stronger from that like taking it as we're going to learn we're going to communicate because i know people that have played with tops that um like one of my friends like she injured her hand from playing and like she checked in the top and the top like refused to like text her back like didn't do that's not the video game man you didn't fulfill my video game fantasy yeah so i think looking at experiences like that as a learning positive experience is how you know both people grow absolutely you don't want to just be that dick that never calls back okay don't get that dick that is a dick move it is i won't go get up there uh i think i'm uh i don't know i have a mastery level of fucking up uh yeah thank you uh but i agree that uh growing is important you know um what i really get off on though is a communication uh so that i can actually understand and connect to a person in those moments and for someone who doesn't normally connect with people it's uh it's like bittersweet i recognize i fucked up but then we get to a place where we can actually have a real conversation instead of the shallow like i just want to treat you like an object kind of thing and i always appreciate those moments nice anyone else okay that's some wisdom holy we did he just laid on us i wasn't expecting that a little bit of depth it wasn't death from the bottom from the bottom of the test i said did you apologize for death scumbag gonna fucking kilo of sprinkles you motherfucker jesus christ it's good stuff good stuff but then we have post-op music like eggplant what is that what happened to our host topic jingle that's a host i had like three a moment i just went oh okay never use this one i did that one i did that like a year ago and so did you just give me the pussy eggplant jingle that's that's it thank you does your pussy taste well that's something we think about well you know apple had some stuff she wanted to talk about and so uh that's the so so apple thanks boogie yeah i would say my pussy tastes more like apples and not eggplant look at that cinnamon apples or or sour green apple of course i've tried it does it sour green apple or no it's like blueberry sour apple or is this a step mark oh wait go test apples pussy no what we poor mark we didn't even check into the the chatroom we sorry apple we're just ignoring you know what's going on in the chatroom we are talking well we were talking about fire play a new toys people have in their toy bags microphone we were talking about fire play and new toys people have their toy bags okay and uh that's pretty much where we are um yeah okay oh also how does size male chastity cages any any input on that anyone oh hey apple uh size a male chastity cage that is not a an area of my expertise i uh i don't know screwdriver yeah screwdriver soldering iron wait look jay jay will now come up i i i actually don't know much about this but what i do know is it can be really tricky long long time ago i wound up involved in a situation where we had somebody that came out with with the with the male chastity that cb one thousand which mccall it that locks everything in you're supposed to be able to put a padlock on it and it's supposed to be free standing it's not like a full-on belt it just locks around the cock and balls and you know gives you this really pathetic looking a little shriveled you know down just hoping uh penis i like the hand puppetry yeah it was our listeners could say you are just being incredibly cicillion and descriptive about your cock and ball page so this one this wasn't even mind this was his idea to come showing up with it and we're like all right well we're gonna go run with it we want it this was like we put him in a mask i think and had him on k6 radio or something and i was like all right yeah let's let's all right you you came equipped we dig it all right let's go but the thing is is that it started to fall off in the middle of the thing because i guess it was i guess he like started with a large or something and so even though everything looked nice snug and tight at the time when you know when he was getting spanked or flogged or what have you it kind of worked it so how does this go along with how to tighten a thing just trying to get on topic we have another you know point is like you know it's like you know i wouldn't just i'm a guy i'm a lover so little going on you know talking about random random guys okay but i let me put this way would you suggest a piece of duct tape i would suggest that when buying it contact you know either either if you can walk in and do a test drive thing at like stock room yeah just go into stock room without your junk and go hey i need to make sure you know it's you know mr's wants to make sure this thing goes down that would be incredible but the other thing is like if you're doing this online or mail order keep in mind that you i don't know you may have to like size down you may have to you know thank you authority have a cj google is your friend apple take it away this is what happens when you leave a topic for another topic eight more topics later 80D kink yeah pretty much that's what we do um so host topic i want to talk about rope because uh you may you know you do you know i don't know if you knew but i kind of like rope like i kind of like sleep with it in my bed like i i i pet it good night yeah like a little rope bag i thought the foot of the bed but anyways you name it hempy hempy bampy bampy bampy i don't know maybe bampo isn't bamboo rope kind of nasty uh no it's bamboo rope is actually soft oh yeah there are lots of different types of rope but um what i want to talk about specifically with rope is that because i teach a lot of new people i see a lot of like recurring patterns and a lot of people get into rope because they see the really awesome photos on fettlife and they're like oh my god it's so beautiful like i want to learn how to do that so i find that a lot of people are really like they're so focused on what it looks like that they forget that they're tying people not packages this is not ups like that's an old reference when they used to string the package that's awesome i have i have moments nice like it but um yeah i see people being very like gingerly and paying more attention to their tie then like in the person is like yawning like one hand on their hip making god for a cell phone to fall in their hands so they can start thumbing you're like where's my phone i want to play pokimon this would be so much better if i had hands um but uh so what i teach them with double mass society for these rope classes is uh is uh one of them is connective rope so you're actually not allowed to tie any knots and you're only allowed to use one rope and the idea is to um interact with your bottom and move them in a way and like help like synchronize your breathing or not synchronize your breathing so that you're having this energy exchange because that's what rope is more about it's like in play in general is like that connection and that you're having with your partner and rope is just an extension of that like whether you're doing spanking or flogging or you know chastity whatever it may be like you're playing with a person not a package or video games sure um so like uh when i tell people i'm like your rope could look ugly as shit like if you're as long as you're not doing photos you're not doing really dangerous suspensions like as long as you're on the ground and they're tied up like they're and they're having a good time like you've success you have successfully done bondage see i got so excited i'm listing nice i think that is amazingly true i remember being uh coming into lifestyle i don't know like 70 years or whatever and i was at like some party you know like a fet noir or something before his garden heat and whatever was a threshold and and i had two girls which obviously was a very new experience for me i did not had many experiences with more than one surely not in an open dungeon in playing and i knew like the basic like tie a knot put it overhead and then kind of weave it around kind of thing so no you know no fancy ties nothing i just knew that but i had no idea how to tie two people together with that and i remember i started digging in to these girls and and started and like literally the most ass thing in the world that i had ever seen in my life and i started getting kind of self-conscious and i'm like oh this looks like ass but i'm with these girls so i had enough to kind of hey i'm you know i'm with two people so it's still kind of cool and they were seemed to have a good time so i did a lot of spanking and biting whatever kind of bullshit my way out of it and there was someone there who's in her life so i don't know if i can say his name but he's a really cool tire and and he's a he's a cool guy and i like him but he's like he's somebody that i looked up to when i first got here and he was like literally five feet away so i started getting kind of like oh man this guy's gonna see and i'm just like a total douche and he said such a graceful thing you know because you know he's like hey you look like you're having fun over there and i thought he was gonna kind of do a backhanded like oh i'm so much better than you but he didn't he like literally you have your fun like i was pretty cool i go yeah i just die i don't know how to tie two chicks but he just stopped me he's all dude you were tying two chicks who gives a fuck who gives a fuck and i was like and so hearing that from somebody who was somebody who did a lot of rope that i really appreciate it and that kind of transferred to not just rope but to all types of play because we have a lot of new people that come in and they play and they're like oh i don't know how to do a real play scene and i don't know how to do all the you know flueing arms and crop teasings and stuff like that and they don't even know how to swing anything or whatever they're very insecure and we teach people just like you just go touch them just go touch them rub their back dude give some little scratches here put your thumb over their tailbone and spank their butt a little bit it's the intention who cares what it looks like if you're on show and you're playing for other people you shouldn't be playing anyway because you're gonna end up just ignoring the person you're with now that's i have a question for you apple have you ever rope bottomed or do you just top oh i switch you do so have you ever had the experience where you were playing with a rope top who wasn't connecting with you and was more concerned with the rope uh luckily no i have not because i'm i've only bought them for like my fellow snooty rope colds oh we're not snooty i'm totally we're all very like dorks we're all very dork um but i think it's because i know what i'm looking for that i generally don't bottom for someone if i don't know that i'm gonna have that connection with them i can i can already foresee the future and if it doesn't look good i'll just sort of pass on it so if any of us want to play with a rope top we should come to you and say how's that person i think apple all the time all the time i just like throw people at apple go talk to her go talk to her well i think that's great because i i don't i really don't know i know one tie it's it's very functional for me i love it so when i use all the time and that's my limit with rope but so the only experience i have is watching other people play and i've actually seen what you're describing i've seen people playing who are so caught up in the rope that the the maze will be tying a dummy that's that's secondary the person that they're tying up and i always wondered as a bottom what is it like to just stand there you're just there as a tool for the top two i don't know get off on his rope i guess if it's a demo well then then fine you're doing it you're doing a demo but yeah if you're looking for a play scene and some people i think maybe just like to get tied up so much that they just you know they get greedy they're greedy bottoms you know they're just you know just like there's greedy you know selfish tops there's greedy bottoms so maybe they're just like i don't give a fuck through i don't care what your intention is i just want to get tied up you know angry Corey says that sometimes angry Corey oh i love angry Corey is awesome the delicate flower that she's she's i don't give a shit just fucking time you up well because she likes the sensation of just like rope on skin is enough for some people yeah and then also if i'm like playing with one my partner is i make it a stingshion if it's scene rope or if it's practice rope okay because if it's practice time the intention is more of like i need to learn how to do this shit so that i can actually do it well and sexy in an actual play scene because you know if i don't practice i'll lose it so then i make that distinction because it makes the expectations like are set like the bottom knows that this isn't going to be a hot sexy rope scene this is like technical like drills and then that way people aren't disappointed because you're both going in with the same mindset sure sure i like it i feel pretty good about that anyway what's coming also turn your mic so you're talking more and more to the side of it i just want to leave your face and leave her alone and it's like let's it where you're in the front hi there oh my god that's just engineer porn right there for me it'll be a shame to learn things i need to go here's explanations with dr doe the questions just keep coming from video that videos up to like 122 000 views prefer to podcast listeners uh the kinky or BDS and dungeon tour on explanations that we did here and people ask a lot of questions and now we're going to answer them this is week three i think we have one more week of this and then we just leave those people you ready i got a good one somebody actually asked this oh jesus how is it that prostitution is illegal yet a business like the threshold isn't wait wait there's more not criticizing the place just confused this is i i love that question that is an amazing question because that like i said the sexplanations audience is a very non-kink audience so these are these are the myths that they have about what BDSM is is that it is all for pay or sex involved sex it isn't yeah that there's always that involved and it's so exciting to hear that and the answer is threshold is not a pay for play dungeon there are pay for play dungeons where you can get non-sexual activities i depend whatever country or city you live in the prostitution is legal maybe they include sex acts in it in the united states in california it is not you are not allowed to give sex for money so that would be prostitution so the play is non-genital you know hand jobs or blow jobs or or a vaginal but at threshold we do it because we love doing this and we do it because that's what we do not because what we're getting paid for so a lot of dungeons out there in the world are people that do this recreationally but and plus that is a misconception that BDSM or kink is all about the sex and that it always has to involve sexual activity and it absolutely can and it can be a very erotic sensual and even sexual kind of play but how many times have everybody in this room been in at threshold at a party how many times do we actually see people fucking once usually me penetration penetration no i mean most people don't i mean and that is a real surprise for a lot of people and it's a it's a valid myth because that's the myth i came in with i used to all the kink that i did prior to getting into the lifestyle was you would give someone spanking or pull their hair bite them or whatever and you get turned on in black or have whatever sex you were gonna have which is fine which is fine but i did not know until i got into the lifestyle about that fork in the road where you can either go sexual and then you got commit because hormones or you can go into that deeper connection you know brain chemistry subspace top space you know visions euphoria that you can go down that road and it's still erotic but it's not necessarily ending with someone having an orgasm or fucking and even if it does prostitution is illegal because there is an exchange of money yeah for sexual favors and there is no exchange of money at threshold however dr doe did slip me a fat hunny she did not she said man you are just you know can i just tip you it's not money she went into the parking lot is never gonna win the parking lot she said this i you know outside the club i just don't want it to be considered but man i just i just want to buy you a new shirt daddy that's what dr doe said to me live in this fantasy and that never happened and then her camera guy was like her we're gonna go and she just had that longing look and she was driving away you know he was driving she was driving away with her hands and her face kind of pressed against the mirror that's not how i remember the back just kind of shut up and just she was just kind of looking she couldn't get out of her fashion and she was just scratching at the window and i'm like baby i'll buy a nice shirt so i sent her she actually gave me a hug at the end i think she gave you a hug no she did not she did not her connection with that she whispered something in my ear i will never tell you about you're lying you're lying you're lying you're lying what did she say nothing she said he's a pervert isn't he she liked me she liked me i'm getting the evil look what she said something but i could question i want to be like my dr doe fuck that bitch do her stupid segment man whatever i'm a love god we're never gonna get her back here mark and escalated quickly i'm getting validated i can get buttered if i want no i'm just kidding question number two oh my god ask another question so we can tell her listeners i noticed dr doe barely had a reaction to certain sensations like the fire or electricity do bottoms have to consciously control themselves from reacting to those situations or were the sensations mild enough that they just elicit no reaction you guys want to tackle that i mean i was i was i mean i was i was like i i from my experience there are three reasons why someone will not react to something that's being done to them number one is that it actually is so neutral that it doesn't do anything for them like everything that happens to hunger in a place scene pretty much yeah because he feels no goddamn pain it's it's it's hunger now he's pouting hunger what is it i have seen a biz beat him with a fucking barbed wire cane and he just kind of stems her and he's like well that went tickled that's you see what i'm saying i'm not making shit up the guy feels no pain that's example number one how do you want to tell about your surgery thanks what i'm just saying um yeah i had a second me friday and i one side i feel nothing like it's not that i don't feel anything i just feel normal i think it's a little swollen and a little like when i stand up like a little tug when i had a sec to be a ninety two it was like an invasive fucking like a fucking ripped it open and the aliens creature popped out of my nuts and the fucking doctor punched it in the face and it went back in hunger feels nothing so i was just making a point he's an ogre okay so the other issue hi what is it sorry what do you reference oh god okay so either it's just such a neutral thing for them that they're not feeling anything or sometimes people have an erroneous assumption that they're supposed to hold it in and really take it and not show you that is with guys a lot really oh my god yeah right have they tried to tough it out like oh you're not gonna hurt me i think that's what they're supposed to do or that that's what the top wants from them um yeah like um when i um i noticed when i play with men versus women they'll tend to be more stoic and i think it's because maybe they just don't know how to express how they're feeling like they have to process it uh and then i also know guys that you know just moan and let it all out yeah i think just depends on the person if like how they process that right that actually brings me to the third one and that would be this that they are feeling it really intensely inside of good or bad but some people when they process it they're processing it naturally yeah exactly yeah they call it non-verbal in the lifestyle yeah when somebody takes a lot of like mark with canes will go non-verbal she'll smile and gig a little bit but then she'll get through a space where literally you're hitting her whack like you can see the bruise building immediately and like no actual response right so and so and dr doe i know that that we said this before the video only showed a little bit of it it was a three hour shoot right and she was processing a lot of it because because she wanted to see what it was yeah she wanted to see what it felt like her experience and there were times where she would tell you that maybe they just didn't show what was filmed yeah no her reactions were really i mean there were things that that she enjoyed um i think she enjoyed the the wrapping you know the one from the video where she's jumping around real cute because she wants me to get me a hundred dollars and cried when she left um but uh you know the things some of the things that she was definitely like not a fan fire play yeah just like literally no that's just not my jam and uh the violet one she's like that just doesn't doesn't do it but i think she liked a lot of the impact and because you could feel her that she was you could see there was like that apprehension and then all of a sudden there was kind of like a little bit of you just you know you know what i'm saying when you're playing with someone you feel that tension and then they just kind of relax into it and they back into a little bit more let's not forget she had a camera focus though yeah yeah yeah but uh but no no she had really good reactions and it's great that she obviously as a sexologist she was ready to give feedback you know because she knew who she was she knew what she wanted or what she wanted to explore so it was really great that she was able to just voice and say this this doesn't be much more me right yes bell i was just gonna say as a bottom it's i usually go through three stages in the scene at first it's like very conscious noises and like like i'm very aware of what i'm doing and i only make noises sometimes and then i get into a space where it's all very primal and like i don't really have control over what comes out and then like you're talking about before is then i get to a space where then just like it's absolutely nothing and it doesn't matter how much you hit me like there's just no actual response uh that's interesting i've seen that yeah that is awesome sexy yeah do what we have time for one more do you want yeah one more this one one more this third one is well i can't answer this one at all what is fire play like from a bottom's perspective mentally and physically all right but i've been i've been set on fire oh i can do this one let's take it um it's more like a sensual play so because i'm not afraid of fire and like i trusted my top that she wasn't going to burn my hair off or my skin i mean it is edge play i mean you can get a very serious injury from it but that sort of fear wasn't there so i was more enjoying the sensation of it like um it kind of felt like a like a warm massage like a massage with like heat essentially and then because you have the top's hand running over you so you have that skin contact and then you also have the fire which is like a tingly heat so it's definitely not a painful thing but like your skin gets very very sensitive because all of like you know all your nerves are firing um but yeah i'd say it's more of like a sensual like touching experience and not something to be terribly afraid of that would be me no like and how did that happen um no i i did fire i learned fire play on myself living in homeless living in a in a van and you had to burn your furniture for for you well that's hollywood daddy knows fucking almost oh you it's cold it's fucking you know it's cold out you know there's you're it's 30 30 degrees um and so you need to heat the place up so you can make your little tent inside your banded go to sleep and so i would just really it was like a thing you just curl up curl up ten full can make a tray dump some rubbing alcohol in it light it on fire and it heats up your place so as a complete piss on yourself drunk for many years um i would sit there and literally you're bored i'm you're homeless you're you're just in a van getting drunk in some fucking street somewhere and so literally i would just light myself on fire constantly because you're like and so that's for sure for sure so actually when i came into the lifestyle i felt very qualified to touch someone with fire because this wasn't something i just fucking learned like i just saw a youtube video and i'm gonna go and risk someone's life and and help by lighting them on fire so i know a lot of the burning and i know there's certain places like the tops of your feet man just be careful toss to the feeder a little sensitive inside the uh you know elbows anywhere where there's a thin skin and you have like lymph nodes and shallow veins stuff like that but yeah a lot of it is just a very warm feeling um and then you play with that you know as the top you play with that by seeing you gauge the person you play a little bit with them and then you see what their level is and how quickly the oil burns so if you want to give them a little pain you go a little bit more and it's it's a really stingy thing and what's great about it is how terrifying it is when you think it's going to be just warm and then all of a sudden it gets like because it's it escalates so quickly when the oil burns in the skin and you are now burning skin the messages to your brain are insane it goes from like oh yeah oh that's just what that is basically the message that goes to your brain so that's that's it it can get really really scary that's kind of fun i let my shoes on fire and that's what well that's why i learned that the 70% isopropyl is the best use because it's 30% water and it blows out really easy so like you can have just like a gulf giant torch of flames and you give it one good blow please don't try this at home it'll go out perfect but yes well if you are going your garage going your garage with a cement floor and just light some on fire on your floor in the middle of the middle of the Jesus fucking Christ Kathy how are you gonna teach people fireplace oh go go get your friend and go to a dungeon and like the dungeon in the personal fire no go to a cement floor with an open fented area and light some fucking alcohol on fire and start playing with it run your hand through it start feeling how long it takes for it to get hot enough to burn you give yourself some time to experience that before you go fucking putting it on someone i didn't say put it on someone just learn it from someone at a dungeon so what that when i teach fireplace the first thing i do is i fill a giant thing and i have everyone line up and i make them it's called the tempo of the flame you have them run just like you used to run your finger through the candle you make them run your hands through the flame and find out how hot is this shit before you go putting it on someone light your garage on fire god damn it yes creepy one ad do not do fire play on your fiance's favorite duvet because it will what's a duvet oh my god it's about 150 bucks oh that's all you need to know what's it do hello comforter yeah it's like a comforter yeah it's kind of viable but burn slowly so you don't notice it until until it's it's done damage beyond always yeah so well that's yeah i mean that was great i love these questions i wish you know the videos of like 120 000 views and every now and again a new question comes in so but i mean we're gonna let go the videos now stabilize like it was going up and a lot of people were commenting and now people don't after a certain point it just kind of goes into like the people that like drone and watch but uh so there's not really been any questions but it's been a great run a couple of weeks okay well we'll just keep coming back to thank you for the doctor to listeners even though you know she doesn't call me anymore i think Kathy's just jealous anymore i shouldn't call you at all she called mary she called me and she said i'm here where do we park hello bitch bam drop the mic called me nobody believes you least of all our listeners they know you too well no they know they know me Kathy look at me they know me i'm not trying to scare you baby can we move on please yeah i see that um i'll be podcast hey is that a live jingle i just realized i made no jingle i just i got a guitar that's for the tech jingle i was thinking of that kind of forgot creepy well get your mic from a little higher i'm trying to get this up to the thing there you go just stand in front of it so creepy is going to talk about some uh some tech shit that applies to the bbism community what are we gonna talk about we're talking about privacy today and uh yeah not this day and age there is no such thing whatever you say do just gonna be on the internet we'll be there for the rest of the internet life this is gonna be a happy topic isn't it's i wrote some bullet points down because i was reading i was like this fucking pisses me off um but Kathy had told me about a post that we cannot talk about but it involved uh someone going to a place and it it logged on his phone and i guess somebody found out i didn't read the post he went to a much somebody went to a much and all of a sudden all over his social media was hey what were you doing at that place yeah and he's like how do you guys know that i went to this anyway go on well your your smartphone nowadays has this thing called geolocations it um basically every every everywhere you go it has to connect to cell towers and cell towers have to know who who that phone belongs to who the phone is and that it was there this is just so you can have phone signal service and it's it's just part of having a cell phone um some programs like facebook uh use that information to feed you whatever ads to make money from it um if you go to for example i'm getting married soon so it's always my facebook always shows me wedding venues and wedding bullshit all day long even those like some certain things like uh i looked for a camera once and now my facebook feed has spilled yeah i've had that before so um that kind of stuff is something that's very important for some people i've never really had an issue with it because i was i was out now um some of the stuff i have to pull back because the people that i'm with now cannot be out so i had an issue with this and even with with uh bell once um she knows how it is when you're on facebook because we have each other on facebook and some people that we know in the kinksine we absolutely do not want to know in our real life scene and facebook knows the friends of your friends of your friends and if you have an interaction even the smallest interaction facebook knows this and we'll try and pop up do you know this person and if this person is not somebody who wanted your life he's great in the kinksine but in real life you're like and this but then does everybody see that that's popping up in your thing or or you just see it you just see it uh why can't you shut that off you but then they know you're real yeah they know you're real yeah they know you're real oh that's that's yeah then it's the real name now instead of seeing uncle creepy they see your my full name so um ladies and lars gave me a big tip and this is what she does she's out but she's not out right so what she says she does is that her fat life has no facial pictures of her sure so even if you saw this friend of a friend on facebook no matter how how you saw it you wouldn't know right you would just be like what the fuck is that no it can't be so you just pass it on um so some of the things i was looking at the kind of throw facebook off of that trail um right now what i use especially when i go into more illicit areas of the internet i use a browser called toor it's free to use it anonymizes your ip it uses it basically connects the old old wave peer-to-peer so it your actual ip address is not the ip address that you're using to surf the internet it tricks isp's and uh not necessarily facebook itself because when you log into facebook it's right but it can change what you do what you do see so it's it's fun to use that uh the toor browser um did you finish or should we're talking about the cell towers oh i did not know that the cell tower thing is uh is a little bit harder to turn off um you can basically uh turn airplane mode which kind of helps with uh uh keeping that stuff out but you don't get any data from that so uh well somebody i was with we had to go into that whole privacy section of my phone i don't know what fuck they did i should have looked closer because i could have told you but they turned something off yeah um i think it's um it's called location data most smartphones will have that in the uh the immediate um menu options but you may it's mind was buried you had to look under settings and then privacy yeah if you have an older phone um it could be hard to find that's me yeah uh you can also just uh google it i mean if you have a if you like why does facebook know you can just google that's how i found it out i didn't know a lot of the stuff as far as it went uh specifically the geocaching as they call it the geolocation they call it okay so now how do you get out of the facebook thing that's a little bit harder to do um do i have to could you say something that kind of pissed me off you know you're like well fuck you you signed you log in you just give consent yeah yeah when you log in you give permission for facebook to do these things it's all to make money it's not really they don't do it just to fuck with yours other it's just they want to make money and the more you get fucked anyway sure but that's the that's kind of how america works it's it's a consumer that's it we're done yeah america works there's a fire brimstone because it's just if you want to have this convenience you have to give up this amount of privacy and the only way to get rid of that is to remove the convenience there is ways to do those kind of things um you can use tablets with no uh cell phone usage and rely on a Wi-Fi data plan you can try that um i would think that that would be a little bit harder um we did run into a thing earlier with a program called kick that uh if you we in the soap uh moderators wanted to find a group texting thing right um because my phone was fucking up and i couldn't read any of bell's text and kick uh said you know such and such and it displayed their their kink name by their phone number and this actually one person popped up that i didn't know had this alternate account via his phone number and i was like holy fuck he's got another account what what kind of shady shit is he doing and and i called him out on it and and that didn't turn out so well either so oh yeah um but yeah i mean it you're gonna have to deal with this shit if you want it i mean if you i would say like the best thing to do for fat life is to keep your emails separate don't use your don't yeah yeah start a separate email just take your phone number off facebook um that helps too don't put any pictures on a kink we tell that in order to take the time don't put a picture of yourself period not your face not anything if you have anything to lose yeah don't put a picture of yourself you're identifying tattoos and stuff because there's no way to avoid nobody because it's not just you being diligent you are expecting all of your friends and kink friends kink acquaintances to somehow also know that they have to respect your privacy or that what they are doing is endangering your privacy you cannot trust that people have that knowledge like you're telling me stuff right now that i'm like what i had shit who have i fucked up in the last you know yeah i mean even even just nonchalantly i've out of bell what twice twice not even like not even like on purpose just like oh that dude there oh oh shit yeah that was bad yeah told an entire month who she worked for so wow and she has not let you forget that that's the important thing is that she's gonna suffer you're just gonna go right along with that on a daily basis but um what else to say oh um yeah everything you do say and and see and see it will be there will be there for eternity wow thank you for that thanks sir yeah thank you sir no no i mean it's it it's just the once again it's the reality it's the reality for there's a number of things i take away from it reality one the world's gonna blow up reality two i mean i list no one gives a five and reality number three this is why we do the podcast is to not just inform people about their tech shit um but also the conversations that we're having if you are out you need to be out you need to be saying something you need to be teaching people so that once i mean being gay is now a non-equation you can be on social media and be gay you're not going to lose your job you can still you know have a full life being gay because gays spoke out the ones that could and said i'm here and now it is a non-issue the king community we have to do that otherwise people are still gonna lose their kids in custody battles get fired from their jobs and all of these things for being kinky so even though it's a bummer to hear how bad it is and how easy it is for us to be out it i think it's really important for us to understand 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yes are you hearing me i hear you i gotta get a belt unfortunately where's it oh here's the belt oh that's a mean belt hang on lucky oh nevermind oh nevermind oh come on let's take one of your butter here j put that back on it's up back up a little bit she has kitty cat panties on oh my god oh just right you can put in here all right i have two i have two one is really thick and one is not which belt okay good get in shoes i'm gonna take this one all right so how many swats are we doing what is uh six divided by twelve all right eight eight is a great answer all right are you ready maybe what do you say maybe all right let's try i'm just these are warm ups these don't actually count in the thing of swarming up all right are you ready you count out one dr doe is foolish we're not wanting you no sir are you ready as loud as you can one is not one of you good you sir foolish we're not wanting you sir what are we on three two what no okay we're going to start oh my god dr doe is foolish we're not wanting you sir because you want me nevermind don't answer that bye dr doe is foolish you're not wanting you sir oh my god look at these marks that looks beautiful oh you got a thigh oh you got a knife you got to mix that up we got to get a stripe okay and let's see if i favor another side i got to get this side thanks i got to get this one what's your my favorite was that fuck you looked at i just got from that that was just like i'll cut a bitch look that's so good all right once we got two more two more all right are you ready are you here we come good like that she makes eye contact and now one more here we go and that is great and that is our show thank you the red hole for providing this perverted playground recorded if you are in los angeles or surrounding areas visit threshold.org and find out about joining their kinky family thank you to everyone who made the show happen to hollywood daddy and ronata to uncle creepy jay from fredishardis.net to lovely bell for 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