Show 78 "Inside a live vagina!"

Or we'll just look over and fucking do it. How could we just do it? Alright, we'll say press, enter! Do we...

we don't need to just... Press, enter! That's what I will say. After I have in-to-scope the vagina, properly, I will then say...

Press, enter! And it will be the end of the show and it'll sound like this. And then you guys will go bla bla bla bla and then we'll end the show. But right now, we're going to actually...

I just don't even know. Begin the show! Is everybody ready to begin the show? Fucking!

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The show where we explore the adventures of the Kinky Lifestyle, sex and a perfect version. Recording live from the Threshold Love Lab in North Hollywood, California, for a huge studio audience. Hello, Proverbs! Hello!

Oh my god, a Jurassic Abyss over there. That was a bis-burping. How was that taco you ate? It was pasta!

What the hell? Oh my god. Oh, god. I like smelling it over here.

Hello, Proverbs! I'm Kathy. I'm a bit... And I am Count Boogie, and my goodness, we are off to a Rousing Show 78 Start.

Look at this audience, all attentive and wonderful, peering out of our Proverted Podcast Love Lab blanket fort. The Love Lab is first thing. Did you guys see the blanket fort? They're very nice, like a fort.

Yes, thank you very much. This is our first Love Lab blanket fort. The Lenksy will go to Boogie. To get the bitches in here.

Bitches like sugar? It can be blanket for you. It can be blanket for you. It's like a fort.

If I give them blanket forts and sugar, somewhere my penis can go in, and they just go, oh, well, I guess this is part of blanket forts and sugar. Is that what all the pudding is? Is that all the pudding is in the fridge? I see all that pudding.

There's a shallow pudding in there. Really big on that? You know what? When you get to this age, you got to use the angles.

You just got to use the angles. We know what pudding they like, and let's just go sugar and blanket forts. Thank you. Come on, that is the Bill Cosby technique.

We want some pudding, ladies. No, really eat it. It might taste a little funny, but it's going to make you feel good. Do you want a little drink?

This is what happens when I leave for a week. What do you blame you entirely? Wait, blanket forts in the dungeon. Oh my goodness.

And Christmas booty song. Yes, I couldn't wait. You were supposed to wait until December 1st to upload that damn thing. You know that is right.

You are right. I was supposed to wait until December 4th to upload the Christmas booty video, but I did not, but I waited until the day after the sucker dance to put it up. I don't even know what that is. What?

The sucker dance is Black Friday. You guys know that? Here we go. That's all the sucker dance.

And this year it was exceptionally sugary if you see all the videos online to the people just joyfully loving each other and say, no, fine sir, you take this discounted TV and they don't know that would be on Christmas. You have this special blowing, glorbing knob thing that my child must have or reject me as a parent because I have to suck my own child. Why? Why?

Did I mention I hate Black Friday? I thought you weren't going to rant about this. I wasn't going to rant about it until I just started thinking about the sucker dance. But no, so I waited until the day after the sucker dance so people could then be like, we need some sort of relief and then we made our perverted podcast.

I'm not going to talk about it more as we get closer to Christmas, but this is the song that I recorded in like 2004 in my apartment that while I was recording it, that was the one that the cops dragged me out of my house, nine cops with guns dragged me out of my house because apparently they couldn't hear the music in my headphones and the postman or something thought I was raping someone while I'm yelling into the microphones, get on your knees, you know, because it's a dirty fucking Christmas song. So true story, absolutely true story. So cops are just doing their job. But anyway, so this is the song and we made the video.

I had a role to play in that video, by the way. You did. Do you remember what it was? You were something Wrangler.

What'd you do? I held a candy cane. That's right. Yeah.

I'll be right back to the frame. When you see the penis cane come in. Kathy was the penis cane Wrangler. Thank you very much.

Thank you. It was very good. So that's now on YouTube and FET Life and all the things. If you look under Christmas booty, it will be like six down, but if you look under our perverted podcast YouTube channel, it'll be the first video up there.

But it's the Christmas booty song. It's really cute. It's very shallow, but it's me. And it's what people, what men, shallow men gamers really want for Christmas.

So yeah. Did you just lump yourself in with gamers? I know. That's a nope.

You know, that's a nope. Let me explain something with you. Let me explain something to you before you, Jungen. Okay.

I committed burglaries to play fucking Asteroids in the 70s. So don't tell me that I'm not a gamer. Just because I don't play the Dungeons and Dragons or whatever. I was OG before there was games there was Count Boogie.

You are a dinosaur. Okay. That's not, that's not, that's not, that's not, that's not a gamer. Don't say I'm not a dinosaur.

Okay. Whatever. What do you mean? What?

But you're, tread carefully. What? Why? I would tread trompely.

Trompely. I'm like a dinosaur. Anyway, Christmas booty. Adult con, everyone still.

We're going to adult con December 16 17 to 18. Yeah, we are. We're going to be there torturing people and teaching classes. That's going to be amazing.

Adult con.com for more information there. We're going to keep talking about that as the weeks go by. And then wait, I'm good. What?

We usually only acknowledge you after that we play the fat life. We're going to do. And so we wrote on the board to actually acknowledge you before that so we can be more professional. Nice to be acknowledged.

Is there any, that was such an E.R. line. That is not even funny. It's nice to be acknowledged.

Is there anything going on in our bird podcast chat room? We're talking about Bill Cosby deadlifting. I didn't know he was that strong. Come here.

Let me lift you up. Marjor is going to lose in cocoa. It's kind of all over the place. Oh, we have not included myself in Mark 13 people in the chat.

Why don't you brand new people? We're hitting some records. People actually go to the bird podcast chat room. Mondays, 8 p.m.

Pacific Standard Time, pervertipodcast.com. So what we're going to be in England? Eight hours ahead. That would be 8 p.m.

That would be four a.m. Bitch. Four a.m. In the UK.

Sorry. So if you are snorting meth amphetamines and you are in Scotland. You can, of course, join us in the chat room. It'll be great.

Yes. Yes, my Michelle. It's 513 into loose France. Oh, France is different than France.

Wait, France is yeah. France is a. France is an hour. Whatever.

Jesus. No one else got one more thing to do. Oh, my God. The grand prize winner.

Our first grand prize winner. Our first perverted podcast. Not saying she won anything. She won great stuff.

And I miss it. We finally actually gave something away. Yes. I'm happy actually mailed it today with her perverted podcast member donated money.

That's right. To. And we sent her. Don't say what we sent because she hasn't gotten it yet.

She'll hear it before it arrives. She's that lovely, lovely thing. But she knows what she got. She got original art.

Wait, wait, wait. There's hundreds of people listening. They want to know. We sent them to photographs by Jay and we sent her a foot.

Curly chick. I'm sorry if you're hearing it. I'm sorry. There's a lot more people than Curly chick.

She'll see it when she gets it. He insisted on sending a foot. Not the foot. Yes.

I set the foot. I bought like ten of them because I saw I go on eBay and I'm like what a feed cost. And I'm like she's not the one. A little plastic feed.

Kathy we're famous now. Everything we do is art. Kathy and I signed the foot and mailed our listener a foot. Yes.

Aynl comes to mind. What? She put the foot up in my spot. I might have put the foot up.

Mark's pussy. No. You can't do it. You can't put it to ask.

That's okay. Wait, pussy to ask. You can't. No.

You can't do it. This was an untouched. No. I don't think it was.

We still have yet to post a picture of you eating the address. That was tasty. I promised her that we wouldn't do anything with her address and I would show her proof. I would send her pictures.

Yes. That's what I was eating. I thought this was like some kinky little game you were playing with me. I did this.

I'm like what the fuck is this? I'm like all right bitch I'll do it. I'm a picture Mark. You're like a kitty.

No kidding. It's the first sustenance I've been able to eat. Wait, she sent us a lovely emailing which she said I love the podcast. I've been listening since episode 30.

I've been waiting every week. You guys are like family that live in my phone. That's terrible. Don't be a person.

That life is the play. That life is the play. And about Gin and the soldier in some space. We share our kinky thrills.

Put us from around the world. Yeah, we'll go to find gas, talking about sex life. Motherfucker. For your peace of mind please know that the author of every post we talk about has specifically granted us permission to do so.

How are those pies? I'm hungry. Pie's mine. Alright, these are good today.

We have a post from Phoenix Rising Seven she wrote something called I Can Only Hope. She says I put you on his radar told him to check you out. I knew he would like you. What I didn't know was the destruction he would leave in my life and others.

This will be bad for you. I know it was bad for me. Nothing I did warranted such treatment, especially by someone who preaches a good Dom supports even after a dynamic ends. I want to warn you, but it's not my place.

I can only hope you keep your wits about you. Hope you do your homework. Hope you don't believe in only words on a page. Well, let's have a nice bright uplifting.

Well, this is just so I introduced you to a sociopath. What am I going to do now? What's my responsibility? Very funny, but here's the thing.

Every one of us has been in a position where we... If you've been in the community long enough, you see something happening, you know something is going to go bad. You know that this person is bad for you, or at least has been bad to you. And you got to ask, where is my responsibility in this?

Do I warn everybody? How do I deal with this when I know that woman or that man is bad fucking news? Yes. Yes, absolutely.

We're assigned protests outside of their house. I would say no. It is your freedom of speech. Don't be that bad.

Damn it. Wave your genitalia and say, you see this? Distraction! Where are you going?

Distraction! Bill Cosby! I just rescue everything bad I say with Bill Cosby. I don't know.

Too much sugar. He's eating too much chocolate. No, I... No, okay fine.

Let's avoid it. Oh God, I never forbid. This is a question that I want to make sure that we all understand what is personal responsibility, meaning what is my responsibility, what is Cathy's, what is Abyss's. Because I think everyone finds them.

I don't think there's a general rule for this. And so I'm curious to hear and our lovely Pivert of Podcasts audience. What do you guys feel is your responsibility? Because there's different levels of this.

There's obvious it's if you are in this community and you know somebody is a rapist, then it is without question. You have a responsibility to make sure that people know that this is a rapist. A convicted rapist or somebody that is in this thing. We have that.

We have, hey, this person's in a case right now. They've done this or that. And you inform the leaders of that community so they can take that information. I think that's responsible.

But then there's the... I just know that this person's a lot of drama. I know this person's manipulative. I know they're going to abuse you or whatever.

What do you feel your responsibility is with those types of things? And it's those times where it's more tricky because those vague times where you wonder how much of this is just my perspective and the way this person treated me and how much of it is this guy is actually dangerous. So this woman is actually dangerous. I think it depends on the circumstance.

It depends on the kind of person you are, what your morals are, what your ethics are, who it is that they're going after. If it's a close friend, all bets are off. I'm definitely going to warn somebody. But I have had things like this happen in my life.

And I actually made myself absent from the community, from the club I love, for two whole years because of people who were here that I thought were bad fucking news. And I made the personal decision just to back off. Because of the circumstances, nobody was going to believe what I'd seen behind the scenes. And so that was my personal decision.

Because the truth was when I asked myself, hey, are these people or is this one person or two people really, really that bad? Or was it just my experience? And I doubted myself. I didn't know whether it was just me.

Maybe they were going to be okay with other people. So it was a tough decision. But I thought it was something that I absolutely had to do. Right.

Well, I think it's definitely, it can be very difficult because the experiences that I'm thinking of are, my experiences are not as extreme. But, and I feel that a lot of my personal experiences are colored by what I experienced. And they may not, for the next person, you know, people grow and change. And even I have seen it with, saying with somebody, and that person in our relationship has grown and changed.

And what that person has developed at the end, we may not be compatible. But whoever they are with currently or in the future, they may be more compatible with. They may still have dynamics and personality traits that I don't feel are going to be healthy for other people. But I don't feel that those are necessarily my judgment calls to point out to as warning signs.

That's something that anybody who is getting involved is going to have to learn to see if that's something that they are compatible with or not. My Michelle? For me, I have people come to me and ask me, I had this one lady ask me, she said, you know, this guy messaged me out of the blue. Do you know who he is?

And, you know, I just saw him at the party once. And I, of course, I knew him. And I was like, OK, well, this is my opinion of him. This is what I've seen him do.

This is how he's acted towards my family. My personal opinion is X, Y, and Z. If you're looking for A, a relationship or if you're looking for B, fun, you know, don't get, you're not going to get A, you're going to get B. So what you do with it is your information, you know, have fun, be safe.

But you know, this is what I see. I think I'm sensing a theme because there's a word that doesn't get used a lot anymore because it used gossip used to be considered a character defect. And now it's a multi-billion dollar a year industry that everything is gossip and being up everyone's fucking asshole and everybody's lives. You, especially if you're, you know, if you're in the public eye or whatever, automatically everyone has a right to your asshole and to be up it and live inside of it and know everything that is inside of you and your asshole.

And that is basically the truth. So where does it come to that level of people are seeking you out and you are deciding that it is your personal responsibility because I have gossiped. We have all had that thing where we talk shit about it. We talked shit on the show constantly.

But where does it come to that line of that? This is now just you gossiping. You know, my Michelle had a great example of this was somebody that came to her and she gave an honest opinion that you have now been asked about a person for for vetting purposes and I don't ever see a problem with that if someone seeks you out. That's fucking out.

You fucker. Hey you. Hey, what's up? My dad get here.

Oh. Oh. You want some money? So I'm actually kind of in the middle of a struggle with that right now.

One of my old play partners was talking about her sister was being in the guy and ended up really, really badly where it became like a physical abuse sort of thing. And she's like, I feel like I should tell people that they should know about him and I always thought he was really bad. And when I first saw him, I always I just kind of sensed that douche as well. Right.

And when she said all these things, I'm like, yeah, that kind of confirms it. However, I don't know all the details. She just kind of gave me very specific. And that was her side.

And again, it was like, well, it's her side. She's her sister. She might be exaggerating. But it's like, do I tell people because I see him here at the club a lot more often now.

Sure. I'm like, no, no, no, stay away because I've heard some shit. Yeah, but I haven't heard anything specific to really back it up. But again, as a DM and as an older brother, it's like I get into that protected bit again.

Is it my place? Well, see me after the show because I'm going to know what you're talking about. Just say. I mean, but this is a real conundrum.

At what point are we actually protecting people? And at what point are we spreading gossip that may or may not be true? And sometimes, look, sometimes if you end up doing something that you're not proud of yourself or doing, and I will confess to having done this myself because there's fallout from what you're about to do, whether you're right or wrong. Yeah.

And there have been times where I've decided to keep my mouth shut, even though if I were a stronger, more courageous person, I might have said something because I don't want to deal with the fallout. I've had lots of people, I'm sure because I'm a pig, that I've heard people talk shit about me all the time because I play with a lot of people and there's people that are but heard about that because they don't want to up their game and actually meet people and give a fuck about them so they don't play with a lot of people. So I hear people fucking talk shit about me. Oh, he thinks he's the king of threshold.

By the way, I'm the fucking janitor. It's hard to be a king with a toilet brush in your hand just saying. I've seen you clean the bathroom and ain't pretty. But it is after I finish, God damn it.

I know how to get shit stains off a toilet. Let me tell you guys. I get in there. Hey man, my Michelle.

Yeah, that's right. Someone's got to do the dirty shit. Literally. So there's people that are talking shit because they're but heard.

So the way they talk shit about me may be embellished just based on their own but heard. So it comes to a point where I think that as a community, the responsibility can be shared. That you can say, you can be responsible and say, Hey, you know what? I know you're seeing this person and I just want you to know that just watch out for some flags and leave it at that.

And that way that lets them see the flags and it also to the people that hear other people talking. So I have a responsibility to go, Okay, this is one person's opinion. Thank you very much. My eyes are now open to red flags if they come up and then they can be adults and actually continue their own information seeking.

That's good topic. Good topic. Damn. I have a second one.

We're going to have time for this one. This is like your favorite one. Is this a cognitive dissonance one? Yes.

Dude, we got to go for it. We got to go for it. This is Saxon 76. Let me just say King sent me this one.

Our friend King sent me a link to this. If anybody listening to this is reading shit on FETLIFING, you find a good post, please send it to us because you have no idea the amount of posts I have to read in order to come up with it's right. Yes. And then I come up with the two of the two tickets we were like, Oh, hey, let's see what the pervertive podcast was been contributing this week.

You know this is your show to pervertive podcast. Stop shooting me. Jesus fucking Christ. Thank you.

Thank you. Oh, thank you, King. We remember. So yeah, definitely reach out and give us your input.

So Saxon 76 wrote a post called self consent cognitive dissonance and happy king quite a fucking title. All right. This is a long one. I'm going to have to give you some paraphrase this a lot.

He's talking about cognitive dissonance, which is the holding of contrary ideas or beliefs. And he gives some common examples, things that we're all familiar with like, Hey, I'm a good person and a proud American, but I cheated on my taxes. Or I'm a good employee, even though I spend 20 hours a week of work time messing around on fat life. Those are like pretty common.

We all deal with that kind of stuff. But then he goes into much bigger things that can cause some major trauma, things like, I'm a good husband. I'm just having a harmless little fling on the side or I'm a responsible adult and in control of my life, even though I am increasingly aware that my enjoyment of certain substances has become an addiction. So you're holding these two opposing opinions about yourself and they're happening at the same time and they call cause what's called cognitive dissonance.

But this is the part I love because he wraps it all up and he brings up things that actually impact us in the kink community that we are all familiar with. Things like, Oh, I'm a 28 year old woman with a master's degree, yet I let a man command me to do naughty things for him. Or I'm a loving husband, but I really enjoy torturing my sweet wife in ways that would be abuse if consent were not given. And here's one that I thought was pretty intense.

I am completely against pedophilia, but when my sweet girl acts like a baby, it gets me crazy turned on. And this is how he finishes it off. He says, by its very nature, kink is playing on the edge of what we personally are socially deemed acceptable. And much of what we do would be shameful, embarrassing and often downright criminal.

This is why we keep our kinks private and why we are so fortunate to have a community in which we can live out our kinks. Yet there are those darker moments when our cognitive dissonance sets in and we are tempted to revoke the consent we have given ourselves to be who we really are and judge ourselves by some standard of who we ought to be. Wow. I know a little existentialism little thing.

A little going here. Yeah. I've had this. We've talked about this a couple of times about myself and how hard it is for me to reconcile with a part of me that wants to submit even though I was brought up by my mother to be a strong independent woman who doesn't take shit from anybody and who takes care of herself.

And yet there was a time in my past when I felt complete shame at the fact that I wanted to kneel in front of somebody and suck his cock because he had his hand in my hair and was making me do it. And it turned me on insane amounts. And I was so conflicted about that because how could the two parts of me exist in one person? I get that.

Do you, Hannah? Oh, yeah. I'll get you. What?

Ha, ha, ha. There's like hypocrisy is acting on your cognitive dissonance. And I love women, but I beat women, which is really not a cognitive dissonance because I had to deal with it because of my religious programming and because of that. There's just so much.

There is a lot in this. It sounds cool to say cognitive dissonance because it sounds like an adult fucking phrase. So I had to really look it up, but it really is just that battle that you have that is sometimes extremely beneficial. It is extremely beneficial to have that cognitive dissonance to have that battle where you are questioning who you are, which means that to get out of that and to find the best solution, you have to use your critical thinking.

You have to actually use your fucking brain because there are conflicting parts of you that say, I hear this, I was raised with this, but this is what I feel and this is what the evidence is of my interaction with this other person. This is what my action will do to other people. And in the case of our lifestyle where the actions that we do are consensual and that we talk with each other and that we work with each other on this, then that all of a sudden becomes not a negative thing. So but if I didn't have that cognitive distance, if I didn't have that battle, it's very easy for me who happens to also be that addictive brain that all of those character defects and dysfunctions, if I did not address that duality, then I would just continue being a piece of shit.

Yeah. It's something that as someone who not only enjoys the bottom side but also enjoys the medical side and is a nurse, like I literally have had people go, wait, so you're a nurse but you like hurting people. How does that even work? And I'm like, ah, carefully?

It's literally complete separation because my, at least the only way it can work in my little brain is there's no crossover. When I'm at work, it is 100%. I'm a ballbuster because you need to make sure that the person's going to do what needs to be done to make sure they're going to be safe, happy and healthy as possible. But there's nothing but compassion.

I don't get off on their pain or their suffering. But in the kink world, I still have the ballbuster, but it's a little more physical because you're literally testing balls. Yeah, I do. But there's no compassion.

So yeah, when I first started in the scene, I was raised to be respectful and gentlemen and two degree I still am. But I struggled a lot when I was in a scene where, you know, I'd be playing and hitting and she yelled for something and the gentleman was like, oh, you're hurting her. And the status was like, that's the point. So there's a third monologue going back and forth between the status and the gentleman.

And I eventually had to learn to turn the balance knob. Right. This is a scene she consented. She literally asked for this.

It's okay. And then when it's done, turn the balance knob back to the respectful person and make sure you're there. So it's definitely a struggle. And it took me a while to do that, to be able to flip that switch.

And even now, even still after those times, I still get a little bit, he kind of pops his head like, hey, careful. I think that's great though, because once again, we've seen a lot of people, I've seen myself, I mean, Kathy and I sit in orientation twice a month. So we're pounded with those basics, constantly pounded with those basics. How many people?

Yes, right up Kathy's sweet type ass with the basics. Here it goes first with the pinky, then the basics. It's sodomizing Kathy. And what's it, what that does is because if you didn't have that pounding in our heads and Kathy's asshole, if those basics weren't constantly being reaffirmed, it is really easy to forget them.

I can't tell you how many people and even myself, even teaching orientation, that sometimes if you, if you kind of just try to completely turn off that other voice and say, hey, I know what the fuck I'm doing. I'm just going to do this. There are times where it all of a sudden you forget some of those basics. And I think that keeping a healthy level of cognitive dissonance going at all times without having it like Ramon says, I can turn it off for the scene and then I turn it back on at the end so I can then go and make sure that I've addressed this other human.

I think that is really healthy. I don't think it's something you should try to completely get rid of. I don't think it's possible to completely do it. No, it's not.

But you're right. If these are two opposing parts of you or you're hardwired to be that way or it's just in your subconscious or you were conditioned to feel that way, you kind of have no choice about it. So you're right. The only way for this to work is for your rational mind to come to your rescue and try and make some sense of it and be the one in charge just like Ramon said.

Let the rational part of you be in charge. Yes, we negotiated. She has her safe word. We've talked about it extensively.

We're all good. Okay, let's go and have some fun. I'm the same way with this where I have to deal with the medical field and so I have people come up to me and I have a big dental fetish. People will seriously ask me.

People have asked me several. I've had countless people ask me to pull their teeth. No, I do not have x-rays. I mean, like, yeah, I have access to things but I'm not going to pull your teeth.

If you have medical issues or something like that, I don't know about it. I could kill you. Literally kill you. So as hot as that would be and as hot as some of the things that I can think of in my mind to do to people, medically and really fuck their shit up.

Am I going to do it for reals? No. No, because I want you hurt you. I do want to harm you.

All within consent. Yes, I am a heavy sadist. But if that consent is not there, I am not getting off and at work. I don't get off on the people that I'm working on.

I might go, but no. Did you just say you have a small fetish? Yes, I said it's a little one. Because I've seen that jar you carry around.

I have to. I have to. I can't wait to get a hold of some of those teeth. Just keep getting more.

Get more. Get more. I think those in a flogger handles and have a flogger handle filled with teeth. No, they do.

Flogger on the end. So I'm hitting people with teeth. Oh, God. That is, yes.

Yes, I think. I think also I know when I have dropped both as a top and a bottom, it has been because of this. It has been my internal struggle. And this is literally what at the end of the day has made me hit the floor of the hardest.

It's not because I didn't feel loved. It's not because I didn't feel supported. It's literally because at the end of the day when I looked in the mirror, the person I saw I didn't like. And because I didn't agree with what I just either done to somebody or just let get done to me So having it can be a really great way to check back in But it's also really good, you know, it's also important to remember that you can also tell that voice to go shut the fuck up Hey, ma'am girl America Oh Get him get him Well, you're low-date.

She's you sure he's me shielding Michelle. Oh, you got him in the nuts. All right, that's it. Good job Here are sex relations with Dr.

Oh, thank you very much No, there's no thing is with this is probably the last thing also whenever I hear Dr. Dole I'm thinking it was like a cute little like dope and like she looks like that she looks like it Okay, so this is probably the last maybe the last week We'll do this because we did this video BDSM dungeon tour with dr. Dole It's already up to like 150,000 views and they tore threshold and whatever So people had really honest questions about BDSM and so forth in the comments section, so we said well, we'll answer that on the show Yes, so there's a last Oh great. All right, it's gonna obviously be how do you contain?

So good, how do you contain all of this magic? I am looking forward to this question. Are you ready? Yes?

I am is cow boogie a sex worker or does he do this for fun? Wait, there's a follow-up. Well, I can see how you make that conclusion that followed up with if he charges does the amount depend on the extremity or the number of tortures? Yes, yes It does god damn it that to see that actually did totally pump up my ego because if you're you know It's the social double standard if you're a female prostitute obviously you're dirty But if you're a male prostitute, you're a king a king Mm-hmm, but you are a sex worker.

I sex worker and prostitute are not the same thing what you wear a pro don't for a long time Yeah, you're a sex worker that doesn't mean legally. I did sexual things with my clients No, but I think works doesn't mean you're a prostitute you could be on on one of those cams and you're a cam girl Yeah, okay, well, of course. Yeah, I know I never gave anyone fucking hand jobs during a concession I'm an ethical fucking massage therapist. Why sure what also just a point out.

Oh, yeah, boogie only works on women What a surprise No, absolutely This is a great question because that is something that a lot of people think is that everyone that's is into BDSM is Professional and that this is something that you pay a dominatrix or a pro dom mostly dominatrix is what people envision and that is not true Most of the BDSM community the vast majority of all of us in this, you know Multi-hundred tens of thousands of people in this community Well, six of us all six of us here on the podcast Do it because this is what we love to do we love the journey the connection and everything so it is not something that we get paid for There are people in this community that do both like myself I'll pro dom sometimes because there are people that don't want to be in the community, but they still want an experience So they will pay me or some other professional to give them the BDSM experience But 99.99% of the people that I play with I do with because I love what we do I love the intensity of this play. That's a fantastic question. It's a very honest question Could I know what the other book paddle was that dr. Do said was pulled off the table and why was it pulled out?

Do you remember that she pulled one of those paddles off the table? The Bible paddle I Are something the tarantula paddle I make the paddles I take paddles and I make them in books So if you saw the video you'll see that the green eggs and ham paddle is on where I turn green eggs and ham the book into a Paddle, but yeah, I guess there's some one I think the Bible one I think The tarantula maybe with a transel a good night moon or good night moon the hungry caterpillar She just drew the fucking line there. You are not beating me with the mother fucking hungry. I'm hell, I got damn it That's we don't know but we'll find out for you.

Oh, so that was it. So we're just gonna do those two Do we have any more of these we got a couple but they're very vague and I just figured alright then that is the end it's been a great segment Thank you very much to Sexplanations Sexplanations YouTube channel and dr. Do for coming down here and doing a great video That also happens to be bigger than most of her other videos just saying cuz we're awesome. She should still lust after me She doesn't play in public.

Yes, there is a way dungeon etiquette will be expected from you I've heard it podcast will teach you how not to be a douche Thank you Have you ever seen something at your local dungeon or private p.s. I'm party that just pisses you off never This is the time where we talk about how not to be that guy or that girl So today is an interesting conversation which actually goes in line with a cognitive dissonance thing we had we talked about Talking about what when things go wrong after a scene because we've talked a lot about when things go wrong during the scene Oh, right. Hey, what did you hand and where? Wow, did you just shoot my Michelle in the cooter?

In the boob side boob that was nice, too Okay, go Kathy so we originally you and I bogey because this wasn't here when we were talking about this said we got examples in our own lives When this is happening to us if we share on the show Never gone wrong for me. Everyone knows my douche I've got so much go wrong, but I remember that something had happened over the weekend at the club And so we asked these three people to be here to say they would be willing to talk about it Because it was still fresh and everybody's mine and to my surprise they agreed to be here I think it's very brave. Thank you very much for coming up. Whoo my Michelle guess is gonna start and give us the nary Yes, tell us what happened.

So there was a dragon penis The hell was that was that about? Thank you. Thank you. Vellasa Raptor So it was my baby girl Sarafine's birthday And so me JJ and another close friend decided to give her her birthday spankings.

So the three of us all heavy tops Beat her pretty much for a good two hours possibly three and Ended it with a little spiky blood thing from my part love Oh the thing that serial killer makes yeah, that is things are the little hammer with the spikes on it Yes, exactly. So we ended with that and I'm all You know and we broke like four toys on her my favorite cane and so As we're done and you made a bleed. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna say interject here say that I watched a lot of this and holy fuck I thought how the hell is this girl take we kicked her we need her what you guys have played with her before yes We she's you know, she's an experienced bottom. She ate.

She's kept hydrated. We've negotiated I've she's been my baby girl for two years now. So I know how how she works and how she is and So when we were done I come out and she was cleaning her toys everything was fine And then I come back and she's sitting on the couch looking a little like oh, I'm like, okay Well, let's get you some water and this and that and we took her outside and then she just went to the bathroom and projected all vomited She vomited so much to where she was passed out and then I took her into a room and laid her down Got it to get me a room we laid her down she threw up some more into where she was basically throwing up bio So her body just basically went into shock And then after that it was just mainly me kind of keeping her trying to put her in Chantelenburg keeping a white cloth on her trying to you know keep the sweat off of her and And then her daddy JJ and the other person came in and we were all kind of doing our thing trying to help her kind of Get her to where we can actually get her home so that she can get in her bed and pass out Which is what she did so then I have a question nothing that you when you look back on it and are thinking what went wrong Nothing actually your opinion went wrong. No, it just happened that way No, it was just it was just the weird fluke and turns out she started a period the next day So I don't know if that had anything to do with it because sometimes, you know, your hormones work really weird But yeah, she she knows what to do she takes care of herself.

She eats you she drinks water I made sure she had some water in between while we were beating her So she had what she needed and then I was going to get her some some stuff for afterwards for the aftercare and Did this freak you out? I went into a consistent mode So Wow, that is very intense I was there for a lot of it and I saw it happen and it was I'm not I'm not ashamed to say I was really scared because she did look Why does a sheet and I did know what was going on and she was throwing up for a long time and oh my Lord was I scared? So I'd love to hear serfines Yeah, what's up rock star? Hey girl, and I know you can take a beating.

Yeah, um Such a serious reaction It's it's getting better Tender So I mean yeah, she pretty much went into what happened All I can say is it did get a little scary at one point for me because that was the first time that my body had reacted that badly I've gone into shock a little bit, but not like that hardcore It's a shock a lot of shock happening so All I did was you know I trusted in the people that were my tops to take care of me and try to stay calm because I did kind of freak out a Little bit, but that was not gonna help the situation any yeah, but it's understandable Of course you're valid in yeah, I mean it's kind of this is the first time it's happening and you know I mean that's not a normal reaction not yeah, not for a lot of people yeah Have you played with all three of them at that intensity before um? No, okay, that was probably the hardest thing I've ever done right so you're a very Intense masochist yes, would you say that you reached your limit that you have finally know at what what point you need to stop? The answer is no Shoot her shoot Michelle It definitely caused me to reevaluate my need for that kind of a scene You know I still really enjoy that kind of pain and that kind of scene No, I don't enjoy throwing up and and being in shock Right so you might enjoy it, but you recognize that your body has a limit yeah absolutely I feel like yeah, I reached that limit Let me ask a question um was there any time during the scene obviously you said that you hadn't played with all three That you had done something that intense before was there time and you can be honest if you noticed did you notice any? Times as the scene was progressing that you were having different feelings And you would normally have when you process pain that there was any potential warning signs that you're like Oh, I started getting this kind of queasy feeling when they did this or something like that that you could remember Going forward in the future as kind of a warning that you can let your top know hey You know I'm getting that feeling again.

Is there any of those types of warning during the scene no during the scene and even after I was I was okay I was out of it obviously I was cleaning up and I was having sugar and water and doing all the normal things that I do after a scene and I really just it hit me instantly that I felt nauseous like instantly And that's just when I started throwing up and it kind of just escalated from there. So Yeah, if you feel sick So what I'm hearing from both of you so far is you did everything that you know you're supposed to do yes This was a more intense scene with hindsight. It's easy to look at it and say yeah Maybe we should have pulled back or maybe not but you were with people who know they were doing you felt safe and even though during it It was scary You took care of business and you did the best that you could shit like this happens Yeah, I I know the risk before going into a scene like this that this type of thing can happen to me That you know I go into the scene knowing that because you're a heavy masochist exactly right okay, but now you know where you sit right Yeah Well my question my question would be then to would be towards your tops Because I'm sure if it to be perfectly blunt if this happened with any of my bottoms it would freak me the fuck out Like I'll be I'll be perfectly honest. Oh, yeah, so JJ having heard everything.

Do you have any different opinions? Did you experience different things? Yes, actually I was I knew that she was going into shock because I have dealt with this before With her not with her with other patients sure I used to be an EMT fireman Okay, so I knew the level she was going into and I knew that she was being taken care of and I was allowing the care to be you know I was allowing my Michelle to take care of because I trust in her ability And then when I became the basically the nurse when we got home Right make sure everything was fine and she had water and change her band She leaked for like three days damn really yeah, and you were there to care of her correct? Okay, and it makes sure she got fed because I'm she just it was very it was a very intense scene very cathartic She was letting a lot of emotion out She was it was a long time since we had played last time we had played was in May and it wasn't even nearly as heavy as that time So in my I believe we did everything we needed to do I really don't know if she reached her limit It's only it's really her, but I would definitely listen to her you know So do you see any did you see any signs?

Why you're playing because obviously you guys hadn't all kind of done the trio thing on her before did you never done a trio Yeah, so did you see any any signs that like hmm? That's a different behavior or was it just well? It's more intense so that just seems normal for being more intense. It was more intense.

Yeah, I know at least like when I've done Like co-topping with I don't think I've ever done three, but I know co-topping with other people You feed off the other people and sometimes I can drive a scene a little more one way or another than you originally It intended to you get into that little like hey, hey, that kind of oh, yeah, well you got this toy about this It was there's some dumb go going on which I'm what dumb go that's dumb you go Which in some ways can be fun and good, but sometimes it's also when you have three heavies It can be also like oh shit who's driving this bus who's driving this bus like Well, I had a steam roller and then there was a dump truck and I think a train. Oh Jesus So is it was the third person was stopping a she medical professional as well? I do not know okay, but there were two medical professionals as tops the bottom had no clue at any time during the play that something was A miss and in fact the scene ended and you were cleaning toys and it was not until you sat down that you realize oh shit Something's wrong so despite having done this before despite having had long sessions had a lot of this kind of play Been with people who know you well not only know you well But know how to play and know what the medical limits are despite all of that still something went wrong at the end of the scene And there was pretty much nothing that could be done No, so I guess that just means shit can happen Yes, no matter how well you prepare there's always another contingency plan that needs to be made obviously now in hindsight You now have other things to check for and now you have more of a plan of action correct for something like that Because now you've been through it with this person the people in perverted podcast line You know and most of the people in perverted podcast line are probably not going to play that intensely because most people are not That level of bottom some maybe more but most will not but no matter what you do I think it's really important for our listeners to understand that this was a scene that had two medical people a very Bottom that love this type of intensity things can still go wrong the more plans you make as both the top and the bottom You are going to have less things that happen What if it would have been a scene where neither person had any medical training experience and something like that happened and it went more sideways It's thing people die all the time doing much less intense stuff not just in BDSM But in everyday life so having a plan thinking through it spending a lot of time negotiating with your partners and telling these are the types of things We're going to do and allow that to be a progression I think is this is a perfect example of them So glad you guys came on here to talk about this because it is really important to know no matter how much you prepare Shit can always go sideways Yeah Because this is a perfect example of people who have played together for a long time who know what they're doing who know all the signs and Something still went wrong and there was nothing that could have been done So yeah, I think thank you guys so much for being here That was really really honest of you and put you guys in a vulnerable space. I think it was great.

That was intense way to stand forward He's diving headfirst into a vagina. Oh, yeah, there goes boogie Everyone's gathering around now. All right. Is our little demo mic on.

Yep. All right Ellie I'm gonna need your butt right up here. So what we're gonna do today Kathy. Can you please explain?

Yeah, please the medical professional I don't know actually what you're doing. What? He's gonna be using a newly acquired endoscope to I don't know look up the girls pussy Realistically Okay Here wait here's the bill Cosby paddle This is an actual battle that I made out of bill Cosby's fatherhood book where there's leaven picture on the side I need to put it. I want you to hold this paddle Ellie just hold that is yes hold it up your face put it up your face and cover while we get that so what we're doing now Is I'm making sure I just installed this today.

So I'm hoping this works So what we do is we turn on our little video capture and it should just pop up in endoscope land Jesus Christ Don't be technical right now. There it goes and just go bland and there it goes. It has a little camera It is a little camera. Okay.

Wait. Is it lit? Does it have a lady lights on the end? So it's it's an endoscope.

So it's a probing tool literally it's about normally you can stick it It's the five millimeters thick Yeah, you and they can put them down throats and it orifices they it's to see in the medical field is to see Patency if you're looking around you don't normally stick them up vaginas, but that's what we're gonna do on this show Okay, okay, so now the camera. Okay, so now we have the camera running first. There's me Okay, there's over here. Yeah Hi And then here is a vagina, okay Yeah, here for a second cuz I have to put this back to limit Get over here take up your headphones So you just go ahead and like you know give everyone the visual can everyone cuz we have it up on the laptop So it's displayed on the laptop.

So you just kind of work around the laptop So what I'm gonna do now is I'm gonna put a little lube in this here about a little little lube swirly swirly around there If you feel the need to call me a love god, oh my god, I'm fingering Bill Cosby This is now awkward. Well, you've transitioned you decide you're such an asshole to women. You just have to become a woman That's wonderful. So now okay.

I didn't have time to get the tongue warmers The tongue what are you in tongues for well, I'm not tongs on those speculums Okay, here is is to prefer to podcast listeners abyss. Can you hear me talking? Yes? Okay?

If you are going to put something metal inside of a vagina hold it tightly in your hand for about 20 seconds first So it is not freezing once you put it into the vagina if not Oh true or put it if you're a sadist then go ahead and put it in the freezer or like a nitrogen Yeah, liquid nitrogen works really well, too. So okay You're gonna want to turn it to where it's it look how you're holding it Yeah, you're gonna want to turn it to the right way and then I'll figure it out So now what we're gonna do is we're gonna go ahead and put this back in the meon Let's see you're gonna feel a little pressure. You're gonna feel a little bit of pressure and then we're gonna spread open like that How do you feel feel okay? Okay?

I'm gonna tighten that like that and now we have our open vagina Let us now go on to a journey into the vagina Oh Now there's the opening Okay, hang on a sec. I'm gonna push the spectrum open a little bit more so we can get in we want to see that cervix You have a very healthy looking vagina young lady. You would know what I'm looking for Let me tell you I've looked in a few all right. I'm gonna go ahead.

I'm gonna take this out now I'm gonna do it long ways so we can get to her cervix Kathy What I need you to camera camera wrangle by the way perverted podcast listeners I am going to load this video up onto a porn hub that we put all our sexy videos on you okay? Not YouTube they won't let us do that and then we're gonna put embed that on perverted podcast calm how's that feel can I go a little More okay a little more all right good now. We have some access here. We go ladies and gentlemen We're going in oh my god.

There should be like some sort of special music and now we're in a vagina That's the the white is the natural lubricant of the inside of the China Everyone thought I can't see fight for the fight for the laptop. That's it now. Let's see if I can push down That is look perfect silence look nobody saying cuz it's just so fucking awesome is this amazing Wait is that the cervix hang on what is that? Up on top there's that I wish I just Need a tool I need a landmark well I can get to her service looks cause me again.

This is amazing Wait wait wait a turn wait now they're pussy upside down oh my look Look surfing the pussy well Calabunga Whoa whoa? And that is it that is the inside of Ellie's pussy ladies and gentlemen a round of applause for the gorgeous vagina And that is our show thank you special providing this perverted playground for a record and you're the Los Angeles I was around areas visit threshold org and find out about joining their pinky family Thank you to everyone who was here for the show to Sarah Bean and JJ My Michelle and papier a moment I'm doing mark in everyone in the chat room Sarah and be Most importantly to Ellie for letting us endoscope for vagina You have questions comments or ideas please email the perverted podcast at email calm and visit perverted podcast dot-com Fuck you, dude. Come on. I'm a girl finish the show And finally for everybody podcast listeners with my fingers in a wonderful woman's vagina I want you to know that this is why we do this show for me god damn it fuck all of you This is about me and my version no, I'm just you're really not you're actually not just take that It's been a great show Thank you so much for amazing audience if you want to support for bird podcast Please go to our patreon page or just click on our website for bird podcast.com and hit the page on button Please by all means I like how she's getting turned on while I'm doing this you like that good girl I love how you're talking about patreon while you have your fingers in someone's pussy now that is a commercial Budweiser did that they would sell a lot more goddamn beer Also, please be a part of our show sending your ideas sending the things that turn you on that you're curious about For bird podcast and gmail dot-com until next week show 78 is done and we are not a bear You need to make your way over here and turn off this show man now get your hand out of her what who's gonna turn off the show?

Gonna keep going sorry