I just take my mic. It's your mic is I don't have my love breath on it. Which is why I don't want it Oh, you're doing. Oh, honey arrived.
Just a smidge before spankings a smidge My thought exactly is the red what I'm not a romantic no Shit, that's like romantic and stuff like so cada sometimes I like see my bitch and I just lay my balls on the face And I love you, baby That's romantic that's romantic Thank you Phoenix, thank you very much Show is for mature audiences only listener discretion is advised and if you don't like it, please go fuck yourself That was lame did we not have a fucking speech Jesus fucking Christ move on but you move on welcome to perverted podcast the show where he exploited the adventures of the kinky lifestyle sex and perversion Recording live from the threshold led by the north Hollywood, California in front of our Laxada's a goal perverted audience hello perverts I'm Kathy Biscs I went to the continent of China now I have a bispress I'm just not your voice is my dad welcome back. I'm feeling excited shoot myself with a nerf darf She doesn't listen to the show That's the only thing that saves us. I have no idea what we say when she's gone. I am cow boogie, and this is Oh, 91 it's show Somebody it's a story before it says ow actually there's a half an H there and it's like how?
How did we fucking do this for 91 episodes creeping up on a hundred we are yes Who's gonna get naked for the hundreds episode is it the naked episode Ryan Ryan is volunteer Audience can I just go to the audience door we love our audience? Ah we do Kathy got damn it We are shown 91 we got Phoenix Phoenix Phoenix Phoenix Phoenix Phoenix Phoenix Phoenix We're supposed to have some sort of Phoenix like song supposed to do a jingle like We're like she's a cowboy Phoenix Or is it like Phoenix the bird Phoenix is like Phoenix? Because I've lived more than one life So you're gonna get all fucking metaphysical Shirley McLean on it's a fucking tattoo to like say that I'm Phoenix That's just it right, you know I see that too I'm arguing with my fucking dad. She's in the scene a long time.
She's been in LA a long time. I've lived my entire life here So we're here. That's a long time. I was here.
Way to go by a graphical Kathy And we were talking earlier, I remember boogie from the radio on K rocket I remember the picture I remember the picture you posted up with you with your bad 80s do and the white racing cap with the fucking bill With a bill shut down. Oh, it was amazing Those were meth scars damn it learn the difference They weren't meth scars I can't believe I totally forgot that you had said something about that yeah that without and it was the 90s it wasn't the 80s You're old The bulk cap doesn't really bring the highness anymore is high as an old term, too. That's like sublime 80s 90s. Mavo whatever god damn it Fox sublime.
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That's not under that's that's that's under that looks nothing like that's that's under right? That's much cuter under watch what I got a wonderful game Oh Look see uggers there. It's under right there. It's a wonderful day Kathy.
Oh My god, so you know it's so we have kind of it doesn't really look like hunger who who's the actual person there? Is that squiggles on her? So cute little voice Squiggles is there anything going on in the chat room just wondering where a hunger is Hunger I took a walk outside and everyone was happy was so joyful boogie. We have a tiny We have tiny under the chat room in search of our OG ug Oh, I mean he's there with us in spirit.
I'm gonna wear you the bird you're singing. It's a great sunshine day I hate happy No Please Like onions like a parfait Off the rails already look only eight minutes into the show and we're already a complete disaster I don't know where our is but he said he wasn't gonna be here and I'm like you were like oh man I'm like dude you have 15 minutes. So, you know, we got you know, we may have some visits You were talking about I don't know what I fucking had ever you talk about I know you are but what am I? Because the show actually works for getting her better harder dick That's probably that it was I'm not supposed to talk about this Okay, so Kathy might have revealed on the show that she likes it When creative explorer gets extra mean and extra kind of good at it with her Sometimes I forget that he listens to the show So I heard that so on and on Sunday got a little last Sunday He just got all mean on me and I I Could not believe what was happening and I just looked at him and I said you you're not allowed to say that oh God have been a fly on the wall, right?
Oh, I just have never seen that mean and afterwards we talk So what you said on the show you like it means so No, thank you creator Help that's the thing we help you get better dick that should be a button a perverted podcast fucking button We hope you get better dick like the staples button cuz who doesn't want better dick? I don't why did I just look at Ryan? I'm like you wanted to get naked. I don't know man.
I gotta let you be who you are Okay, you give the dick This is how we know this is how this is it this is all we oh I was gonna I was gonna say it was actually kind of cool You know Cory we can say crazy Cory because crazy boy my core angry board member angry Delicate flower crazy all of a sudden I'm like who's my mission do we have? I think I'm editing it planes in my ass so she does her shut up and tie like whatever Sunday Whatever that is and it was packed there was tons of people there and I just kind of wander in for free food You know I'm like you know I'm not overly it's like a place where like real rope people like who do a lot of fancy stuff So I can't be my shark self you can't bring your dog because I'm like all medium rope guy if best so I can't really come in and be like Hey blah blah blah because there's always like 20 other people that are like hey I can So I just like well, I'm just here for food Maybe I can grab someone I know and rape them in the level up, but there's no rapeables in there today Is that an politically correct word? I'm politically correct. So anyway, so I walk in the kitchen and there's a lady in the kitchen and she looks at me like with this Excite like hey, what hey looks like it just fell in my lap today So I kind of do my little saunter thing like that Kind of cross zombie dislocated shoulder guy Yeah, so I'm and she like came up and she's like I have to tell you In Sweden and I instantly I'm like because I know we have listeners in Sweden and she saw in Sweden every Thanksgiving Your turkey video is like the thing we want like all of Sweden.
I don't know, you know It's that I felt pretty honored like do it fly me out sweet chicks are hot so But it was just really it was just neat to see you know just to have a little conversation with her and she said yeah We played as a joke, you know, and you know, I'm the butt of the joke So that's that's good and they teach about it story my life, but it was just I thought it was kind of neat So hello to all of our friends in Sweden. Thank you for acknowledging my existence And now I go back to scrubbing my toilets I like that picture me scrubbing toilets. Yeah, I was good I have like a little phone on and just goes up and just like mistress, you know, mistress's toilet sissy written on my back Well, you wear it here with little back hairs sticking through the ink letters what now he needs to me Did you see how I just drop this room is literally Ryan and I there's like one two three four five six seventy nine There's like ten women and two dudes in this room. I am fucking praying to Unimaginary gods that there's some sort of meteor Or like velociraptors all of a sudden birth outside and we're like trapped indoors and like I have the key to the cabinet So everyone wants to eat you gotta go through the janitor I just don't know what to say don't give yourself a smattering of applause Happened anyway Life is the place General soldier in some space we share I can get through I For your peace of mind, please know that the author of every post we talk about has specifically granted us permission to do so I Don't wonder who gave Kathy.
I could just see your finger hovering over that key. There's other ones No, the job is dangerous Alright, so we got we have a post from I didn't even know this name just confuses the hell out of me their kato verkato. It's like So he wrote a drop your top a note he says do you have a great time playing? Did the top really give you a good scene?
Did they help you feel really good? Did you enjoy yourself then drop them a little note the next day many tops including myself will tell about them that if they have Any trouble or concern or drop to let them know we generally like to be there and to help But correspondingly if you had a good time letting the top know makes me feel really good It lets us know you're all right It can help alleviate any lingering doubts and it's generally a great little ego boost if you do this The top is gonna be more likely to want to play with you again a short note can go a long way So now all of us here here on the little group with the microphones here. We're all toppers We're on top of people so Phoenix Do you like to receive notes or acknowledgments of your greatness the next day from your bottom? It is very nice and it does stroke my ego, but it never happens I've had it like once in the entirety of my 20 some odd year career as a dominant.
Well, not I mean do you request it or no I mean like we're gonna do leave a comment card Don't do it Um, so I don't know it seems kind of like um why You know, I know I did a good job at the end of the day at the end of my scene Like when my bottom is melty and on the floor and can't move I think I'm good with that I'm not really needing more validation than that. That's a good little scenario You just gave us right there your top is all quivering on the floor and you're like seriously I've done good Um, I've never really had that happen to me I've had them say profuse thank yous afterwards, but nobody ever I mean I wouldn't mind having a nice little bit of chocolate from my bottom and say here you go Would you like me to take you by the hand Cathy lead you away? For oral aftercare you're the one with the oral after I want my submissive to take me by the hand lead me away and give me oral Aftercare Is that a last of the past mark remembers that I was like show six that some dude wrote this whole thing about like this Is what I expect from my submissive and we kind of maybe kick them in then that's a little bit over just a little Because the or just the you know We realize we shouldn't really we shouldn't really attack people yes and we've thrown that out the window Thank you very much politically correct not here. Um, but yeah, that was that was incredibly incredibly funny Um, I don't know.
I kind of have a different view I mean surely at the end of the day I have to like boogie, you know, and and I'm gonna survive If people don't write me the 10 page reflection about my awesomeness But I gotta say I you know as as a dude that likes to be loved Um, it really is something that I there's a few things that are behind that for me Um, number one when I'm creating something for someone and I'm trying to build and take them to a certain place Um or have certain goals that I'm like, oh, I'd like to see this person stretch this way or grow this way or get a rouse This way or whatever fucking plan I've made Um, and sometimes elaborately taking time and put this together then I would like some feedback to know because I can't read your mind When you're there I can't tell what you're thinking exactly what you're thinking I can see you're smiling and a puddle and something like that But I don't know exactly what that process is and as someone who's very visual I would like to know I love that after conversation the next day where they had some time to process and they're like Oh, when you did this I kind of experienced this and then sometimes they have like a little you know Oh, I thought about this and then it was like a vision and I was like an egg shell and when you hit me it broke and Those types of things I deserve to know about that because I help fucking make that I don't know other than you smiling and saying thanks, you know, that's really nice But you know, I got a bad back and a bad shoulder part of my what I want is I want to know what you experienced That's part of what I get out of the placing I get what you're saying. I have actually spoken to people I've played with weeks or months afterwards and heard from them At that time what they felt after and I thought to myself I would really have loved to hear that But in all honesty, I never solicited that kind of feedback I never asked for no And so I don't get it to me, but you know I'm asking no, I'll say no go ahead I have a totally different take on that too, but I'm an energy worker. I play with energy I read energy and my bottoms respond to that I just wanted their energy and generally like I don't necessarily need the feedback because I can see In their bodies in their energy how they're reacting to what I'm doing if they don't like something I'll move to something that will go to Something that they like and bring it back. So it's you know, I don't know if the feedback is really necessary I just like the visuals.
I mean I understand the energy I'm totally there They're with you on that but the specifics of their thought process is and how they process that stuff's really interesting paper Don't I'm kind of up to minds on this one because there's one thing if you're gonna do a talk scene with someone generally I prefer to be at least at a level where I'm in contact with them via phone or text or email anyway So I would know you know at what place they'd be wanting to make sure they're okay So you kind of get some feedback that way the other thing I've seen done is that some tops will specifically during negotiations say I want you to write me and like a reflection and you see and then you get a good idea You go boost your soliciting feedback But if that's important to you and in your case and Phoenix you're saying it's not but if it is something you want like valid feedback saying You know, this is what I really like this was really hot do this again or whatever They're you know, you get it look back and they're like, yeah, that's kind of awesome I can pop your feathers about it, but then you know if it's you know, it's not something you want to improve or you know I mean absolutely if I'm not you know because sometimes people will work through things in the middle of a scene and you can see they're working something out You know and then they get back into the thing like Phoenix talked about where you change your you know Your game plan and try to you know create the journey in a different direction and about the most I think most like inspiring and like most The thing I've appreciated most is when someone's seen something I've done and maybe it's not the person I played with but they come up and go Hey, that thing you know is really hot and then you get feedback from a third party that to me is almost better than I'm hearing it for the person you played with because you're like wow that's cool that it inspired someone else and you don't necessarily you can't Release it that just gonna have a big family Other than the gardener kind of box on your door I was trimming the book and videos and uh Fuck that I never thought you could put a whole pinky in your e-thruth. I mean I'm thank you. Thank you so much random client I think you mean in a dungeon right like a theater play party. Okay, that's that's kind of hot.
I mean not that I would mind I'd be like Who? Well, I remember last week you talked a little bit about it and even a bit said how if I don't know that you had a good time We're not playing again, right? If I if you're out of there five seconds after the scene is over. Yeah, yeah That's what you mean like the immediate afterwards Well, it can be anything I mean if I've had partners who had to leave right away afterwards But I would have liked to talk to them and find out how things went so You know, it's just a different take on it We are always concentrating on the bottom and needing some kind of after-can There's generally not a whole lot of discussion had about what tops need so sure Ryan did you have a something?
Yeah, actually I just had an experience recently yesterday I had an amazing scene with a sub that her master was in Australia. He lives in Australia He comes down very rarely and he allows her to play with you know Other people find somebody that might be consistent to play with And my girlfriend gave me the advice to give her an after letter to make sure she was okay And I said check up the next day and once I wrote that to her I got a response from her master a few hours later thanking me profusely for that letter and actually offering to be her consistent top Sure, just out of that one experience So I mean I would say personally that it's not necessary Or it's maybe optional more so for the top to receive a thank you letter or like a checkup But in the response to a checkup getting it from her master saying thank you was a very big Self-confidence boost to me sure it made me feel very good about the scene So I think it just depends on the bottom depends on the scenario Like you said if you're playing with energy Phoenix, you know, if you can read that if you can feel that That's one thing and being able to have that immediate response But when you're having more of like a physical headspace you kind of feeling they don't exactly know what they're seeing in that moment That's true being able to have that data reflect like boogie said they can have a more clear response than what they want Yeah, I would agree with that sure There and once again This is all stuff that you talk about before you play if you are aware of what your needs are at top or bottom That is what negotiation is for and that you say hey, you know This these are some of the things that I need and then you find out if this is someone you want to play with because If you need a lot of aftercare or you need that big reflection at the end or whatever And the person's like actually I just want to you know Get a fucking spanking and then run off and get a cookie and play with you know other people Um if that doesn't work for you that's where you talk about masochating No, she's yeah, she does bounce around quite quite a bit In the dungeon, but no it's that's something that you really talk about and that's also being okay with your needs and not feeling shame For if you do need your dominant oral aftercare If that's what your jam is then by all means rock your fucking jam just be honest about it upfront and you know Some people may reject that Waiting from oral aftercare you keep waiting to take me by the hand It was just the fact that you said take me by the hand and lead me somewhere for oral aftercare was amazing Amazingly ball because if he's getting it who's gonna argue certainly not you well, I mean I'm not blowing him But you know I'm there with a gardener watching paper doll It just sounds like a bad fucking 70 song to me honestly take me by the hand Or Let's Quigos yes, what's going on in chat room so the peeps in the chat room say that Having like written beep feedback after a scene sounds like a form of punishment for the bottom Wow Well tell them we think all of them are greedy dicks Well, maybe like a school scene It just wears like a punishment It's work it's work for the bottoms. Oh fucking heaven fucking boo Right on our fucking lines right now Christ For us Don't are the equipment Well, tell them thank you so much for the light and sending input All right, what's next Ah Attention perverted podcast listeners apparently at this point the show stopped recording But we were fortunately able to get it back up again. We now return to your show in progress No, no, no, it's starting to wear the thing Scary Exciting conclusion of perverted podcast show I'm just gonna leave that giant gap of edit Where people are like what do you just have to look over and see that it's not recording I just swiped and then it's something, you know, just okay.
Well, you got it. I did let's go on to our second fat life stuff. Okay. All right I can see you're still very scared I'm like where's hunger?
I live about there to save it from the evil dictator Guys come up with this Come on you girl and listen to me now. I mean maybe later Okay, I feel better We had Arnold hunger. I love Arnold. I feel more secure now.
All right, so dominant life wrote a Post called BDSM roles versus sexual orientations versus gender identities quite a hefty title there And he says if you are seeking a partner, what is the quality quality? Excuse me you most seek out What was the thing you saw the most? What is the title of your biggest checkbox? Ask yourself if it falls under one of these categories BDSM role sexual orientation or gender identity For me, I have always had sub on the top of my list I know I am a dyed in the wool dominant and I need a submissive to serve by my side during this past week I quizzed a few of my friends the answers I got somewhat summed up my preliminary conclusion Which is this we can stir seem to be more attached to our BDSM roles than we are to gender identities or sexual orientations.
What do you think? Boogin vilia That word It's very thorny. It is it's a thorny bush any thorny word Stop it Shout out Had a happy face on it with a dipshit Jesus Christ and one of the fire nation Shit can be Fall under BDSM role sexual orientation Where we do in the first part where it's like what do you find interesting about someone? Because he has to be a solider one of those three.
No, I thought the first question was I don't know. I don't have an answer if I'm out of order A little tantrum I guess Which which what is the quality you mostly go? Thank you for asking I Look for horny likes girls likes cuddling pretends to like me can have a conversation about the universe doesn't base their behaviors on made up religions Is willing to face their fears and weaknesses to become stronger and is horny? I think he said the one thing you're supposed to choose the one that is most predominant.
I am a schizophrenic Each one gets one Two of them are horny I'm ignoring you. We'll go into Phoenix. Did you have one? For I would guess it would be my gender identity because I'm attracted to women So it was like a whole like who doesn't want more dick me.
I don't think you very much so Right So yours would be gender gender That's the one that's the one that's just like okay, so this is okay now. I'm with you now Well, I mean I'm in order now. I'm following yes I played with guys before and it just does not work as well for me as it does with women I connect better with energy and Guys not so much. Sorry guys, but it's just kind of one of those things like um, I think we base our uh choice of Potential partners on first and foremost attraction.
So what do you go? What are you attracted to? Are you attracted to what they look like? Yeah, sure of course So I mean that's unless I'm talking to somebody and like the first thing I know is like, oh, you have a really wonderful energy kind of thing Oh They start walking at you and there's a spotlight behind them and they're like oh, yeah I feel yeah, I feel like on that one.
Do you want to change your answer now? No, I know I know No, because I have different because I have a lot of different preferences. I see kind of different things I mean pretty much gender. Okay.
I'm attracted to it's a women. That's who I'm attracted to until the day I wake up and want to suck a dick I'm attracted to women. So um, when is that gonna happen? I don't know I know a lot of people are waiting Didn't happen today But uh, but then so gender ID.
Okay, um fine, but as far as like um BDSM I mean that goes for different things. There's some people that I have a very strong sense of that I feel a very dominant energy towards them and then there's people that are very little and I you know So I feel different dynamics BDSM and sometimes it's just romantic sometimes I'm just very attracted to that person And I just I want to have you know sweet cuddly stuff with them So I don't I don't have like a one go to that I was that I always have That's I do not expect an answer from you Yeah, I can't name the show book and feel because I can't fucking spell it It'll just be boog in villain. Yeah, the book villain Actually pronounced boog in via just to let you know. Yeah boogies.
I'm a fucking dominant asshole. I'm gonna tell you know what you can call it Whatever the fuck you want. I swooned all 10 ladies in this room by saying boog in the deal. Yeah Wait, yes squiggles.
Hang on wait. Okay, so the chat room decided that we're pretty flexible. Just they have to be kinky fair enough Fair enough. That's pretty good.
Basically what he was saying is that most kinky people will Whatever's at the top of the list has to do the one thing I kind of um don't know if I necessarily agreed with it I put that down is is there is a strong contract contract contract contract Only now 91 There's a strong contrast in the in the post about the vanilla world to the kink world being more tolerant or being more willing to do things And I don't think that necessarily is true I think the environment that is set in the general BDSM community not all communities But at least here in our community in Los Angeles is supportive of you if you are curious to suck a dick Go suck a dick. No one's gonna fight you or judge you or shame you But I don't think it's any I don't think people come into the lifestyle ness because I sure didn't I've been here eight years And I have tons of people trying to constantly convert me to the greatness of dick and and it's just not there So it's I don't think that it's any that attraction is the same in the non kink world as it is in the kink world I just think there's more of an environment that if you are curious and you're here You have a much more open non judging kind of environment for it. It's true He did make a point of saying that was just his in his experience That's what he's found that doesn't mean that everybody is like that I would have to agree with him that that in my experience I've seen that Majority of kinky people I've met are much more I mean like myself. I'm I wouldn't choose Was I wouldn't choose sexual orientation because I'm bisexual so I'm not gonna have a strong preference either way I wouldn't choose a BDSM role because I'm a switch and I certainly wouldn't choose gender identity because I just I'm greedy.
I like it all so The stuff that would have I would have ticked the boxes would pretty much had nothing to do with anyone of those and that's what will generally Attract me to somebody and by attract I don't mean just sexual attraction when I meet somebody I become attracted to them and it's almost like I want to hover around them like a satellite I don't know which way the the relationship will play out Sometimes it ends up just being a friend sometimes I ended up being joined at the hip with some dude who wants to say let's put on a podcast I'm attracted to me. No, that's exactly what I'm not saying. I love you too. Oh god Sorry, just just I would say that kinky thing is saying that that's like an automatic or open-minded I would argue the opposite of that I not that everybody's kinky is not but I would find very many rigid people who define themselves as kinky And would say like you know kink is not sexual kink is one true way I that's an attitude that just boggles my mind It's not it's not something that automatically makes you open-minded or accepting of gender identities and expressions or whatever there's some really rigid fucking people who treat it like religion and Really like you know because anything a lot of kink came from religious formations You know like a lot of the ritual and stuff is based on like Catholicism ancient religions, whatever So you can have a lot of that in LA I think we're kind of lucky because people are really open-minded and they generally don't give a crap about what you do and they're not gonna Attack you for any behavior, but try going to Orange County.
I mean try going Yeah, I mean there's other places even in California and then try going to the middle of America I mean in someone might say they're kinky but it's gonna be completely different to meet the kinky community in a different area You're probably more likely to find a more open-minded community But I mean if I were to rank what I'd look for it would be sex positivity and you know physically affectionate people That's not necessarily something you can say all kinky people are there's some kinky people who are like, I don't want to fuck you I just want you to steal or whatever you like well Boogie won't have any to watch when he's on the book until yeah I agree and that's something that's really important We're just very spoiled here to have this kind of community where there's so many people that just we're not as It's true. I mean what paper to also to was very true I mean how many people have you come across that have been Shame other people for their kinks or whatever like your stuff is not your shit's not my shit Right, that's fine. And as far as what Kathy said like It comes down to energy again. I'm gonna say it again one more time like energy, but you're gonna meet that person even You know, those are the people that you are attracted to it was you're generally attracted their energy rather than what's between somebody's legs Honestly, even though like I have said before about mail is not working for me They just haven't so but that means maybe I haven't found the right one or the right person or the right yet They you know, whoever so it's possible Speak turn the mic down towards your mouth.
I'm sure so who are you? I'm charisma. I think since I'm trying the kinksine I've discovered that I'm a lot more open-minded than I thought I was and I find that I'm way more attracted to the role versus the gender Okay, very good. Very good.
I like you hold the mic like fucking pat and a time man like you're ready to just go We are strong Right, no one can tell us Feel those hot Your hair see now you're joining me. No, I'm never joining you. All right. Let's move on.
That's what great topics That was that was a wait wait. No wait The joining is and the nineses things we find interesting. This is the random topic. We are gonna talk about now Why do I love that one because it's but China's Peninis is Peninis is so this is what you gotta do go through you're gonna talk about we're gonna talk about dominant littles I feel so special because I got jingle.
That's right. No, you know, we were I was talking to Phoenix about what you want to talk About on the show and she's all I don't teach I don't do anything So I started just asking her questions and grilling her she says well, you know, I'm more of a dominant little I'm all what what the hell is that we exist we walk them on you and That means I can be little and I can kick your ass all at the same time I just have trouble and just envisioning what a dominant little is other than I mean, isn't that a brat? No, no, I'm a very bossy little girl. It's true But as far as things go like if I have parents I make the rules and they're gonna follow what I say So My fucking It's an evolution process for me.
I mean when I met Boogie, I don't know six seven years ago At a little party here his party, right? I feel like the l-a-littles. Yeah, it was You know, I had thought that I was sort of a more submissive kind of little where take direction for anybody for a little while like kind of dead But that doesn't play it. It hasn't done well with me forever like I built myself up in the bottom came up as a sub switch dominant Taking orders doesn't really work.
I'll take some direction, but no no no you're gonna negotiate the rules and it's gonna be my rules Well in listening to you describe that that sounds like a brat to me So can you explain what you would consider brat to me mean and what you consider dominant? That sounds like a brat to you and no no no no make me some fucking pancakes. Yeah, no no no no that sounds more dominant I think it's dominant. I mean how do you say please and dominate right fucking now?
So that's that's please but as as a little I mean I make the rules and I'll tell you what If you hate my little pony, I'm gonna make you fucking watch every single episode of my little pony with me every day Or as much as I can fit in in the day just because you hate it I'll leave Legos flying for you to walk on cuz I'm sadist too I'd say you're an asshole little You know sadistic dominant whatever, you know if that's how Phoenix identifies as long as you have because there's someone that's looking for that Oh, yeah, there's someone who wants to be controlled like that. I don't understand the bratty connection at all with that It just seems like I'm it just seems like I'm still in control But the things instead of wanting you know serious kneeling bowing these place layup positions and those types of things It's get me my cuddle blanket be of service to me as a little and then I'm also hitting you or doing things to you so so it kind of Or laying out Legos for you so it's just kind of a creed It's like a little's mindset like how would a little you know be a dominant and so I totally get Where's the brats like no, I'm not gonna Know You know remember when you were a kid and you watch bunny cartoons and all of those cartoons were made like World War II Just post-war, you know Hitler bashing like all this shit You just you were entertained by it, but you're like I had no idea what they were fucking talking about Okay Brats you know can be in any dynamic they don't have to be littles they can be any sort of and typically referred to as a submissive term Whereas if you are a dominant little you have a submissive daddy or caregiver counterpart So you know to be a root assault little as cupcake calls it in her little little one-on-one classes that she's to teach You require a submissive daddy type rather than a dominant daddy type whereas a brat is someone who typically brats for the reaction of a dominant partner That is true That's what I just think you're saying that you find partners good you're hired yes I have and in the past but they're hard to find to be honest with you because there's Even though the submissive should know that it's a level of service that Kind of goes above and beyond it takes somebody really special to deal with that So like the I've had some success and I've had some epic fucking failures I can imagine with those failures from from people who've tried and just gone. Oh, I don't fucking know what the hell you want I mean Two others are just like no no no I'm done with this five seconds later So but yeah, this is a miss a parent is something that is really again its negotiations Finding that special I don't know. Yeah, I kind of lost on that So if you're listening to the show and you think that you're a submissive parents Good Jack Phoenix absolutely more than welcome to I love it.
Oh That's good I mean I find the whole little thing fascinating like we talked about last week and when you said dominant little I was like that is one I've never really heard of yeah and masochity is right about like if you're a brat you're just gonna be sure I'm trying to get the reaction no matter whether you're gonna learn harder or whatever but I'm just a bossy little bitch I relate to that Squiggles on her yes, okay into the microphone yes, so they said it's the daddy wrapped around my finger dynamic the daddy wrapped it Mm-hmm so dominant little it's just the one who's telling the daddy what to do so they get what they want when they want kind of like yeah Oh, so you so the dominant is topping at that point no the little little is the little cause of shots the little cause Okay, daddy's little girl daddy does whatever the little girl says Yeah, that's not a topping from the bottom I think to be I actually provide the direction and we negotiate the rules how things go like this is Let me think about this or just quick seconds. I'm kind of on the spot But you have to negotiate your your duties and roles and how much direction I'm gonna take from you like because you can go No, no, you really shouldn't have that ice cream and I can go well I make the rules get me some fucking ice cream now, so right But it's ready, but the dynamic is is that you the power exchange is still yours absolutely the exchange is still going to you And I think in the that sense the power exchange. That's like a different. That's the the bratty part Mm-hmm.
I think let's let's let's take this time to do a little disclaimer The disclaimer is is look at us all here on pervertive podcast trying to work out some understanding of each other and we use terms That may be for you are a completely different term terms are just things that we use to try to communicate with each other So if to you a Dominant little means that you are the bottom and you're being you know, you know challenging to the top Then that's I guess what it means to you because I don't want to be people who you're like you know You are trying to create a vernacular that doesn't fit with them. So that it too. We'll say just fuck you Yeah, pretty much. So in other words, these are just terms and we're still working.
We're still working out shit I don't have a jingle for the next time. So we're just gonna play the host topic jingle again It's still fits it's still totally fits It's still recording okay, we're doing that we're still recording so Is it massa kitty cloe, you know, it's what it is whatever. Okay, so here is something cool And I'm excited. Thank you very much by the way for sending your notes ahead of time Because if you're gonna guess on the show or do a segment that we really want to know what the fuck you're gonna talk about So we don't just sit here and stare at you and you say great notes and you're gonna talk about So go ahead and start us off on what you're thinking and then we'll jump in on some of the things that you noted about So a play like most aspects of VDSM is a power exchange dynamic in which one or both parties enjoy mentally regressing to an animal headspace Obviously you can identify as a pet player without being any dynamic in that moment But obviously with the SMA goal would be to have a partner experience PEP play with you now That does that mean that you have say to kitties and or a kitty and a trainer or is are they different?
You can definitely have multiple aspects of PEP play You know, we have a great example here in our community with a black fox and freak attraction who freak attraction Is someone comes to threshold often and she identifies as a kitten black Fox identifies as a fox and they do a primal Petly dynamic his Fox is a common counter we don't say their names we didn't get their permission to Yeah, I know but we're gonna show yeah Attention perverted podcast listeners. We reached out to freak attraction and black box and got their permission to use their names on the show We now return to the segment in progress I just thought of all of a sudden I'm like yeah, I know both of them. Yeah, yeah, we didn't ask permission to say their names We have two people in our community who are perfect example of that We've got she is a kitten and he is a fox But he identifies as a dominant fox counterpart to her submissive kitten counterpart and they do a primal dynamic That is interesting. So he trains her as he trains her as a caregiver So the role is interchangeable.
He can be in his box headspace or he can be in his caregiver headspace But when he's in his box headspace, it's a more primal dynamic between the two of them But it's still very much a power exchange between the two of them whereas when he's in his caregiver dynamic He's more of you know in his humanized headspace to train her right? Okay, I thought that is definite now you had said something in your notes that I thought it was really interesting because I hadn't kind of considered it as people are Trying to find like what is there? You know, what is their animal? What do they identify with there was a couple points I had but the first one I thought was interesting is that you talked about say like a Fox like this guy that that's not a domesticated animal right?
So if you are looking to be okay, typically typically a pet play is done from the submissive side The submissive person wants to be the pet player doesn't have to be that way by any means But it typically is and if you are you know interested in say fox play well foxes are a non-domestic animal Therefore the reason you might be more drawn to fox play is because it's a more difficult animal to train it will bite It will you know scratch it? It's not going to be as submissive as say a puppy or you know I identify the kitten because kittens are bratty but lazy, you know, they're I can sleep on Scratch you for a minute, and then I will sleep exactly so but you know foxes are very like active and like here and there And they also are very you know aggressive and not the easiest to train so depending on what your Where you're gonna go in your headspace might be which animal you choose to identify with where you want to be as a sub You'd be like a raccoon and just fuck up people's kitchens. Yes, just be like walking people's eyes. I'm about the fucking raccoon Just start ripping shit.
Absolutely. Haven't you ever seen like if you live somewhere where there's raccoons actually you have to literally like Bolt your doors because they will just get in and it just it's there were like cats times 12 like you know cats knock everything out raccoons Just be like I gotta rearrange some shit. Have you seen the kitchen after you make dinner for everybody? It's like a fucking mess in there.
Are you are you are you knocking my domestic abilities? Yes, is that what this is like a raccoon in there man? I think raccoons are cool I actually had to find a raccoon out of my kitchen one night try to fuck up your kitchen I was a fucking broom and shit that came into my living room was on my mantle fucking hisn at me I have giant teeth. Yeah, pretty much like any pet within the pebble because there was a someone was talking to me about a gorilla Who he just likes to be you know chained up while he was at the dungeon and people walk by and you know You would go all grilling he had his handler there.
They'll be like no back a rely on That is awesome. I might I might have moments where I become possessive as a primate over my over my women in the bed And I and I show them show them said it's marks favorite thing in the world because I throw poo and everything like I look Please tell the audience you don't actually do that. No, I don't throw real boy. It's called a role play.
Thank you for clarifying to role play Then I get all primal and I like to protect them and then I look around them Like when the other male approaches like You pick your ear hair and start grooming yourself what we're gonna tell you gorillas don't get a lighter and trim their ear hair with it I'm in advance. I'm just I'm more neander tholly. We got our asses kick eventually. We got our asses kicked eventually, but yes We're just only interrupting mass okay.
She's just watching watching. Here's okay. Okay. I just say something weird or something.
Okay I Have a point this was something that I think is really interesting and we have some people that identify we have a few people in the room that Identify a certain pets. We have a bunny. We have a kitty Puppy we have a puppy. Okay Mark your lobster.
That's right. She's a squirrel and a lobster She is a squirrel and a lobster combined so we have some people that have it now Here's something that I have known and it kind of confuses me when I think about it I have noticed that when people identify Like I'm a kitty. I'm a bunny. I'm a swabster There it's they stick with that thing whereas it's not like a roleplay where people are like hey You know what I'm gonna try to explore gorilla today And then I'm gonna be a squabster and I'm gonna be a kitty and then a raccoon and a platypus Do you mean as opposed to having different animals or do you mean like it's a headspace that's continuing on throughout their everyday life?
No, no, I mean that that when people identify as a kid like do you ever just say fucking man? I'm gonna be up. I'm gonna be a articulate python today You know it is it's very interesting it does depend on the person actually currently there is like an epidemic going on within the Kid and play community online where everybody is trying out puppy play all of the sudden okay, so it is something that's happening Yeah, it is and I think it just depends on the person my sub sister She started out as a kitten But she's presented both kitten play and puppy play to work on at the same time and they focus on kid and play first But she is still planning to go out and try puppy play Okay, so it is something that she's going to graduate to personally I only connect with a kitten, but if you can connect with multiple head spaces and my own needs, you know I think it just depends nice to be a redtail hawk Just like through the dungeon like in people's you know outside of their place He's being out fast and on little chairs not rolling chairs. Okay, no no Yes, right I actually did have something to add on that when I began dating masikini I learned obviously that she was a kitten and and eventually I learned through our relationship that I had more of puppy Tenancies, but I fantasized more on what pet I wanted to be as in like what would be more of my favorite pet for instance I really loved the idea of being a wolf I loved that that you know big masculine kind of feel of a dog or of that kind of sense I did like the idea of a fox because I really liked the gear style and then Masikini ended up pointing out way more things in my personality for instance I play ultimate frisbee semi-professionally right dogs love frisbees I'll chase a frisbee all day long, you know not necessarily in my headspace as a puppy But also in my headspace as a puppy sure yeah, and that was something I was gonna point out was it when you're looking for your pet It's not necessarily going to be your favorite animal It is whatever animal is gonna be easiest for your headspace to transition to so you want to look for traits that you know Connect you strongly to that animal you want to look for well am I energetic like this or do I you know sleep during the day Oh, and you know get up at night Do I eat a lot of fruit you know whatever it is that's gonna make you correlate best when you're in that headspace because getting into an Animal and completely you know getting rid of all of your human notions and your you know Where is my car located or you know what do I have to do tomorrow?
It is difficult so you want to choose something that is going to be easy for you to connect to enough squiggles so this is always sort of relevant, but somehow there's a pregnant giraffe and York came up did that thing give birth yet? We're speculating that you're the father boogie. Oh It's possibly true. It's possibly true and so they're recommending that they do a DNA test possibly dream-under dream-under I'm lost in a dream in this you all I miss you to Kathy Else come to your dream and see you there Kathy my stream-under You can ask me for the fucking paper towels instead of boogie in the middle of a scene What you shouldn't be doing in the kitchen anyway?
You dream on that's bullshit. It's my dream Hunger knows all Fucking us up again. Well, that's it. Did we cure the world?
No, we still have some fucking advice we do yes Are we over do we cut it off? I thought we should have just ended the world just there yeah? That was play we had it we're gonna. Yeah, okay, let's just do it All right, and we'll just I'll just push a button like this and that is our show Thank you threshold for providing this perverted playground for us recording if you are in Los Angeles So the surrounding areas visit threshold out or you can find out about joining their kinky family Thank you to everybody who was here to mark squiggles on anyone in the chat room Paper doll and her friends charisma and Alicia Apple bunny and Ellie Thank you Chloe and Ryan Phoenix thank you so much for being on Me from awesome.
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