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I'm Gaby. I'm the best. All for me. And I am Count Boogie and this is show 98 an amazing amazing show that we have for you today This is actually wonderful.
This is amazing here This is this is a great show. I'm great because we don't have only one person in the audience Well, I mean we have bunny and mark and and we have paper doll where's hunger? Hunger is not here, but we have bunny on the chat room. Say hello bunny.
Hi. So you're bunny younger or bonger? No Bonger no Bongers cute. I'm not Bonger who you do a little bonger.
No, she's like no That is that is big. It's easier when she's chained up under the desk. She's more submissive Now I'm not even getting a look. She's just looking away Really really is that is that it no, okay?
That's what we do Like she totally ran off and I just never know you're like I didn't even realize okay So last week for a purple gas listeners that didn't listen I had bunny chained under we were doing a little DS and she was gonna be chained at my feet There was a picture it was very very sexy. So Kathy just decides to let go and I didn't realize that I had to alter it from you too Okay, so then we get accused abyss says fuck you both for gas like I'm like what the fuck is she talking about? I didn't unchamber But you're like yeah, that's how she does and I'm like wow No, I did that. No, I totally got you not obvious.
Not damn it anyway So what what is it says on potato mayhem you ate a ding dong? I ate a ding dong Everything that was enough to place we have nothing going on today You ate a sweet and no, you know what perverted podcast listeners Let us know what the significance of this treat was it's Saturday's party with here at the threshold was euphoria, okay? And creative explorer was here, right? Ringing the mean dick mean dick.
Yes And so he does this weird thing where he'll see me from across the room and come at me like to give me a hug He does it with a purpose and he slams into me and it's kind of frightening so I've gone to the point where I see But I'm sexy frightening Okay, I'll go with that. Yeah, and I see him coming and I'll just put my hands off to try and just save off whatever attack He's about to inflict on me and all of all cringe and then he just grabs me and it's all frightening so about sexy writing It is a little you do like it's you do like it's I like it But it's gonna come just be over and so he also is really nice when he comes to a party He'll bring some little treats and so he brought ding dongs and twinkies which is like for those of you in the UK I don't know if they've dinged on Like a chocolate little cake covered with chocolate icing and some cream in the middle well ding dongs are my crack Right there. Just you cannot put a ding dong in front of me Ding dongs are my crack ding dong so it's a slink for you. Yes, it is Just go on.
He's a Christ So I'm in the kitchen and he comes in and I see him coming and I wanted to say kind of like thank you for the ding dong I have one it was really good He starts coming at me with that look like you and so I immediately cringe and go to put my hands up But because I will have any head my head that I was gonna thank him for the ding dong I kind of yelled at him And I cringe like And everybody in the kitchen kind of goes oh my god. Oh she's not supposed to do that. Did you buy protocol? And he just stops in mid-pouncing kind of looks to me like I've completely lost my mind Well now you know the trick you gotta just say some weird random shit when he's coming at ya You gotta be like chickens have livers Just throw them off his game.
That's what happens That's a good idea I don't think I only got to be just whatever the fuck you can and he'll just go I used to do that to kids when I worked with kids I don't even because they never fucking stop asking questions. They never stop it like four five six years old They never fucking stop asking questions So finally to stop it You just have to start giving them really wrong weird answers because they're like why why why and you're like well There's two chickens and they're playing laser tag then obviously one of them needs to sign a waiver before they can download whipped cream And they just like stare at you like this guy's an idiot and walk away and then I would be free is that what I did? Yeah, that's exactly what you did It works perfectly I feel like you just short-circuited his leg. Yeah pretty much.
Yeah short-circuited the pounds Yeah, that works. Well, I think what's even more important than a ding dong would be Another one of his we can't maybe alone for a second I'm really you got a Harley-Lavian medical emergency. You're gonna have a lady a medical emergency a Harley is the way I guess yeah, I mean it yeah, I went for a motorcycle ride with a fella and And I like having something you know humming between my legs, but this just punished my cunt Jesus Christ. What did you have an uncomfortable backseat?
It's not even okay backseat No, it's there's not a lot of padding on the back of his bike and it was four hours He was into the show sometimes sometimes dude One of those little hemorrhoid rings The hemorrhoid ring on the bike just under a cunt I literally I got off the bike and I'm like, you know if you break it We don't we don't get to play afterwards like oh, he will go out He was like oh no, it's like he'll be like fucking surgical gauze just creating this mound with cotton I was like you're like what the fuck is wrong with your bike? Why is your bike seriously punishing my cunt and ass like and then I shift it cuz I'm like my poor vagina It's and it's not even just like a lady. It's like it's basically taint and it's like the muscles in between oh And it's just like it's just can slam every bump everything just just bring your I'm right ring Just so how bad I feel you got to wear like total like bikers like where and then just come up Android ring a little pink emery ring and then put it down and be like I like a Harley man Well, and then like to try and take pressure off of it cuz I'm like, okay, I just I can't do another two hours with that So I'm like alright. I'm just gonna just I'm just gonna I'm just gonna basically push with my legs push with my legs for the next Two hours, so I got like the workout.
I like thighs of steel and I'm like I just can't move I'm gonna I'm gonna make just a strange recommendation. They call it uber or fucking lift or taxi You know at that point you just gotta you know cuz you haven't ridden a lot Yeah, well not a long time. Yeah, so just jumping on a four hours on a not so cushiony cushion Safety tip we do have safety tip and potato mayhem mark who is obviously more observant than I am Oh, no, what did you do to her? No, it was nothing It was just an observation that she had that she's like well This was just normal duh, and I'm like I never thought of that and banger never thought of that Oh, it's not a nice name.
What's wrong with banger? Are you serious? It's too close to a bung hole. Yeah, nobody wants to be called a bung hole You know she's shaking her head.
I'm saying a whole lot of apple all the years. You should just think no I just really thought I could get banger to stick. No not You know you can do this one happens when you're not here you can do alternative hunger, but banger no All right fucking fine bunny bunny bunny bunny younger at least make some bunny ears little bunny ears. Oh, I forgot them Oh, I'm sad.
Oh, well, I think you can tell us what's happening. We're supposed to we're supposed to do an Easter egg hunt What's going on in the chat room? We're talking about being naked in chat, and we're wondering what a consent fetish is Oh, we're gonna talk about that. We are gonna talk about that.
Yeah, all right No Antarctica so a lot of people put on Fettlife They put that they live in Antarctica to kind of you know either be cute or mostly to hide the city where they're Yeah, you have to put something so they put Antarctica and so I figured that pretty much takes care of it and then marks just like well Yeah, but then if they don't have 12,000 friends you go to their page and you see they're signed up to 90 events in a specific City and all of their friends are in a specific city So you now pretty much can guess that is where they live and I'm like I never thought of that and and marks like you didn't That's just normal and then bunny was just like I never thought of that either Did you guys ever even I specifically for mine like if I live in a smaller suburb, right? I didn't put the smaller suburb. I specifically put LA. Yeah, so you put a bigger city for kind of farther away Also like cuz F off like there my tone is small.
I know a lot of folks in my town I don't need to know that I'm coming out of there so but Los Angeles is freaking huge But I think even even that if there's Pete yeah, there's not really a lot of ways around it If you're gonna RSVP to events But if you have stuff to lose or if you feel that there's people that are kind of stalking you or watching or whatever I think would do that then ditch the profile and don't RSVP this stuff and don't add a bunch of you know I mean keep I mean keep it just for information purposes only yes paper Don't you can't turn the microphone down Well, actually no one of several bit. Yeah, okay for the I do this thing at this too as far as using the large city because I'm in a pretty easily you know small town and You know there's reasons why you want to be a little obscure I don't know if it's I don't know if it's a particularly females But in my case I can only speak as such just because you know I got a crazy axe I hate ex-husband and children and you know there are other people involved sometimes in your life that maybe don't want to You know you don't want to make it easy to find yourself I do also the thing where I don't post-space pictures or anything and accept a set of friends only granted I mean if somebody wants to stock you hard enough they will find you really bad But you have to consider your risk and your reward like how much of yourself are you gonna put out there and how much do you want to hold back? So all RSVP events or sometimes I might just see where I'm going if they're gonna be my hometown Maybe in RSVP I can maybe message the host but I don't have to put out there that I'm going to that event So there's totally ways to kind of keep a little bit of privacy and a little bit of a smoke screen and not that we're all like secret agents Or whatever but like just more about the respect of the people that might be harmed by you being publicly kinky We all want to be like oh, we should all be accepted But the reality is the world isn't really that accepting everything you know So that's just another thing to think about you had one more as I say a good call mark for bringing that up. Yeah good call Oh, you get smattering All right, that's it.
All right, that's it. What is this stop motion moment? Stop. Okay.
It's kind of boring, but it's also amazing When I was a kid it says my age but for me like literally one of my first most inspirational highs was gumbi and pokey I'm a little bit Calamation which neither of the girls have ever heard of because I'm old and they're not so I'll have to show them But it was just really horrible Calamation from the 60s and early 70s and it was this character gun But when I was a little kid it was it was amazing to me it was horrible animation horrible sound horrible everything I didn't think that when you were no no even watching it now I have DVDs you know That I you know indulge in every now and again But it was a really special you know just that fascination and it was something I always like sit off I could do stop animation and then you learn about it and not maybe for Christmas and all and you're like oh That's a lot of blah blah blah and so and then programs are expensive and so I tried things and they were kind of shitty and it doesn't you know And so finally I you know because I always figure out some bullshit technique I figured out a bullshit technique to just say take pictures out of my camera because it numbers them when you take Thousand digital pictures and then if I put it in the timeline of my video editor, you know Vegas video It'll put him in order and then you just have to you know render it and then speed it up and speed it up until you get the speed You want and make the edit so I actually went the other day and I'm like holy shit I can now do this and I went in the kitchen and I grabbed a bunch of jars of play Oh, which you're not you're supposed to use modeling clay and blah blah blah and get a mold and you know I'm not gonna frame work and stuff well I mean eventually it's gonna happen But I just wanted to do it and I made I printed out a little picture of a little guitar and laminated it And then I made a little blobby yellow me and I made it from the guitar and fall over and it kind of worked And it just brought the second I put it up to you know the final render of it It was just like you know that scene in Ratatouille when they give the food critic hit that bite of Ratatouille And it literally just zones him back to his childhood Yeah, in that moment it was that moment and I was like oh my gosh I've created a gumbie I've this is my this is my gumbie and it was hard to just shitty you know like fucking nine frames per second shitty and Just but it was just such a neat moment and I just got to see my whole life and all the things that I've tried to learn Creatively and songwriting and storytelling and things like that and to be you know this age and to still be exploring and learning new things It was just kind of a very it was just a cool little moment and of course that it's gonna go in some zoo of videos You know cuz it's all we do now is videos so now we can do stop animation We're gonna do like little bumper car in the main room where they're all gonna ride giant stuffies like you know Horses on the floor and have them all skid around and bump into each other and so yeah, we're doing you know So it's kind of a new little trick and and death I got I got not consentially like touched by an otter. That's right. You didn't even tell us about the otter I did that's right. You went with your companda.
I did in my mama's and you guys all went and you swam with otters I swam with otters we went to nurture by nature, which is a really great Educational place down in it's not quick. I know you didn't that's going to eat over there And they also just lost which I speed nice. Did you get to swim with this lot? No the you know Sloth was dead right his name was belt belt belt the felt from a from cruise.
Yeah, fucking crew It's great movie and I got to pet and hold and like squeeze at nine week old baby Otter pups. Oh wow, they released released the board of them and I just I just weed a whole time and they thought you were Fucking one of them. Yeah, that they do much and I just weed at them and they tried to eat my shoelaces Oh, there's large hairless fucking creature that sounds like us and then they had like phoenixes there and they had An armadillo and cantaloupe Yeah, but yeah, which was awesome I got a whole damn one and then I got to swim with these otters which were really awesome and super add and Otters are and it was great because they you'd have all these toys and a cups full of rocks And the thing with otters is they can't leave it alone That's that's the issue with otters and they would take the rocks out of the cups But then once they had them out like they couldn't just have it so they had to put it somewhere else and They're like hiding stuff and the perfect place is like I don't know bathing suits nice. So you got so they've got her group Yeah, they shoved it down the front of my bathing suit, but because they're otters they can't leave it alone So they started fondling you got her fondled Like I can't leave that rock there So they like went back and like like shoved like they're like not grab it back out and then shoved it down like the person next to me Top and I'm like oh little bastard.
Yeah, total two-timey Like At one point like I did scream because I felt this little fucking artball like reach down the back of my pants like back Like into my book crap. Hey, you want to buy drink? I got like right into my book crack. Oh, yeah Cracking otters fucking otters Like I Blacks or your piece of mine, please know that the author of every post we talk about has specifically granted us permission to do so I just do me fat life jingles.
I think you do I just never listen to I like to hear a new jingle I mean you're all busy with your stop motion and your zoo on your videos, but it would be nice once in a while What have you done for us lately boogie? Wait, what was this one? I totally go with it. No Stop it.
I can say I'm sorry killer Sam Probably What do we got? We got this one got to know like last time. Oh Jesus. Don't take one of my posts away.
All right, whatever this time We're gonna talk about yarrows post called relationships don't need test motherfucker. I stuck a mother I feel like I said, but it was very Yeah, I was told I wasn't good enough and if I had been things wouldn't be starting to rot It doesn't matter what the sins of the sir have been for those were also my fault If I had been a better deeper truer slave things would have been better That is how sir got away with abuse and betrayal That is how he got away with putting my safety health and well-being on the line and now on the other end I am learning to stand learning that even if I had all he had all my trust he was not trustworthy I will never allow myself to be in any kind of relationship wherein I must pass tests jump through fiery hoops to prove my love my devotion my submission Do things that make me unsafe or uncomfortable just to show I love someone Negotiations and full consent will be members of all my relationships right over here here. Excellent. You're here kind of sad but kind of It's unfortunate that it is sadly a common theme.
It's not just a kink theme It's an identity thing It's anytime you come into a situation where you have an identity in your head that I want to be this whether it's married in a relationship You know engaged kinky poly, you know, whatever it is a lot of people go into their new fan or their fantasy relationship relationship that they've had there and they have their Cinderella picture in their mind of what it's supposed to be and then they get there and It's different, but it has maybe elements of that fantasy and then you start questioning You're like well shit because you've only had one you've only had one of these relationships So you start going well is this what it really is? You know if I want this fantasy this is BDSM relationship or I'm the slave and whatever I've heard this so many times from so many people who are new not just females males as well that are like You know I thought it was this is what it was supposed to be so when they did the shit that you know you know you have intuition and instincts And you know this is wrong. This is not right But there's that voice and the manipulation in your head that says well if I want to be a slave Then I guess this is what you have to do and it's like no That's not and that's what classes and podcasts and information or whatever to see that That's what this is a perfect example Why a open BDSM community with collaborative information and multiple life experiences is so important if you're gonna explore this lifestyle And I can't get into too many details about this But I recently had a situation where I had two for a friend have For a family member had an intervention and I literally went through with it went down there It was for their family member and did a surprise thing where I went into an alias and talked to this person Posing as someone who was looking to hire her just to get her alone So I could talk to this person and say hey because she was an abusive relationship And the dude was literally claiming it's because I'm a master and blah blah blah and it was a and this was her first experience with BDSM And he you know use all the way buzzwords But she didn't know it was her first time ever being involved in kink and Like I sat down and like luckily I had like it was funny I had one of our podcast cards in my purse randomly and when I said hey You know your family brought me in because I have been in the lifestyle for X amount of years I do have experience in DSM SM you know here like here's my card We do a podcast they brought me in because they tried to they're trying to get more information and understand your your dynamic And you know but I'm here to listen to your side of it And I want to find out what's going on and they told me something that brought up the red flags Can I I want to hear your side? You're telling me people are not understanding your dynamic Please let me hear about your dynamic, right?
And then she took a few minutes and started talking about it and I'm like sue Those are actually red flags even to those that are red and it's funny and as we're talking you could see her and I'm like listening And I told her I'm like look I'm not gonna judge what you have set up And I showed her like and I literally showed her the scar on my chest. I'm like look I have bled for my relationships I probably wear scars for my relationships and no one can judge me from those relationships But the things that you were telling me I'm sorry him But these are these are sounding very much like abuse wrapped in in the cloak of D. M. B.
D. S These are not these are not things that we would normally see in the lifestyle And like as I'm explaining to her these are not things that we would normally see much like with this poor person You know it's talking about where her safety was not you know taking consent You know where even during you know discussions and so forth where they're giving excuses to basically one of the things that they said where You know you're given a platform where it's not It's an uneven playing field. So if things are what you know difficult discussions are not brought up because all you the person who doesn't want to have these discussions All they have to do is say no, we're not having this conversation. It's not fair and it's not fair for the bottom So it's it's anytime you're in this kind of you know position any Submissive or slave or whoever you identify as just remember like especially nowadays with the popularity of BDSM Abusers are fucking clever and they will yeah, they will use things like this as close Further to that I mean but but that is this is a typical of every Relationship where there's a person who is the manipulator who knows that I just need to beat on your psychology and make you feel bad about yourself Long enough so that you will you're not gonna do better than me.
This is how it works You're obviously to and you know it's not always something that happens in the first day Oh, you know, this is something that just happens over time if they work you down over time and the scariest thing is this poor woman literally? It said to me she I said well Why don't why weren't you talking to your mom or your family or whatever? I'm like in the lifestyle we don't encourage you not to speak to your family and she's like oh and I'm like Why didn't you talk when your family was you know asking? She's like oh well, you know my sir is just so much smarter than I am So he talks for me.
Oh, yeah That is a big cringe for everyone but you know, there is a balance to everything There are reasons when you give that power exchange to someone that you let's say take this in a positive tone Say this is somebody you respect somebody that you know has your best interest at heart communicates with you It's open with you sees that you have trouble talking to your family and then takes a little bit of control in those conversations You have with that family that can be actually be a positive thing in many cases. It is not a positive thing It is trying to isolate you. This is a standard abuse of fact it to isolate you from your friends family and loved one So you become co-dependent on them. So that's very normal, but I don't want to get I don't want to I always want to leave that little Hey, sometimes the DS is Also in some of these some families are shit some families are abusive and the flip side is there is cases where the DS and masters and Dominance do take their some of these situations where the family are abusive or asshole So these people are toxic.
I don't want you to talk to them. So flip side of that. That was not the case in the situation No, paper don't do you have something? Yeah, I think you got the psychology part really That's a big part of it some of these behaviors that you get where you get into where you're prone to having a healthy relationship Or stuff that started way before you even thought about having romantic relationships Like when you're a kid stuff happens and that forms your idea of what kind of relationship you want And I think when you look at going into any kind of relationship with another person I think the the best questions I've been asked in my current relationship was when we first met Basically, I said, what are you hoping to get out of this?
Like what do you want in a relationship? You know, it wasn't my first relationship granted It's easy to look back in hindsight and think well that would have been a really good question to ask before I got married at 23 You know, but now that I'm older and have some some experience there I think yeah, actually am I doing this just because I like the idea of being half of a couple or am I doing it to fill Avoid or am I doing it because I think it's really cool and I want to be in the cool kid club and I think everybody who has a partner Like I'm nothing without a partner. I don't you know, and that's something I would say is really Gender identity kind of specific like women I think are more conditioned to think that our value is judged on it whether or not we have a partner So there's a lot of stuff there that you know, I can speak for my age and my my identity But where if you feel like as a single woman, you don't really stand on your own two feet and you do get less social capital being single You might jump into a really shitty situation just to say well, I have a boyfriend So that makes me a valid person now like I'm a whole person now I'm he completes me and once you are so bought into that idea of like well We're part of a couple and I've invested this time and you know, we've made enough for it now We're a couple together you might be willing to accept a little more crap And so it's sort of like being a frog who gets boiled slowly if that's what kind of creeps in you don't really feel it right away But over time it kind of eats away at you and then you might be releasing before it's too late You know, you might have been in the situation where you like you handed over total control and you know You can't even really see it your friends kind of to come in and you know, you said do an intervention and then you know They're so bought into it like but I've been with this person for years I've been in and that's just I mean that doesn't matter kink or not. Can you hear that all the time?
I've done six years. I'm not gonna throw all that you've already thrown it away. You have six shitty years It's already trash. So just move on with a new life You can always start over you can always get me something and you shouldn't just accept it because you put in the time You're never gonna get a trophy at the end of that.
You know, you're wedding ring or your collar or whatever the fuck it is It's worthless if you're a miserable person, you know, so I think to think I always had issues when people said like oh I found my other half well that means you were only half a person to begin with so yeah right there you you have a lot of Yeah, I'm like oh But that's I mean but that's humanity is that they're self-doubt and you enter these things if gosh we could talk forever about psychology But I will say this one some of the things I really liked about this post was the fact that even though she went through all these struggles And as much as interesting even outside of kink I basically realized my first major big-time relationship that I spent five years with There was a lot of gaslighting there was a lot of like I could not do much like this poor person with the you know There's there's whether she did something right or didn't do something right there was there was there was no way she was gonna win All right her problems are here. It's like it there was no way this person was gonna win So but at the end of this even though it was really difficult I love the fact that she now has a set of standards where she's like no and she was able to at least at the end to come out with A stronger sensibility and knows where like a self-worth be a new like Even though even though a lot of this hurts and it's really hard to find Inner strength after a really shitty fucking relationship At least on the other side if it if you can you can at least find you know You can find about her you sometimes on the other side and let's hope that's where she is It sounds like yeah, there's still work to be done You have the anger and the resolve like I got fucked and oh yeah I'm never gonna do that again If you are not willing to put in the time effort to do that personal work to grow yourself beyond where you went into this relationship with The likelihood is the sad likelihood is is after a little bit of time You're gonna get lonely you're gonna start lowering your standards the bar is gonna lower and now you're gonna let history repeat itself So this time is a great time But now it is the time to do the work go to the therapy the groups learn things self-help all the shit that you do to make yourself More dependent on yourself and not other people and then that way when those situations do come along You will have enough self-love and respect to instantly remember that bar and to say I'm not doing that again I don't deserve this yeah, excellent good for you Yaro Thank you for letting us talk about your post and I hope that anybody listen to this who is and we've been there this kind of Yeah, so you keep on a good fight is not an uncommon no No, okay, so our next one is by Lazarus touch Lazarus a long time listener is gonna be coming to show one hundred and bringing us the buttons He has I don't even know what you're this buttons you keep talking about buttons You don't realize that as you throw out stuff like hey, I don't know you'll see because I keep writing I just say hey now whatever this we said this this was said and I'll send these to Lazarus and I'm all this would be a good Button is okay, and you put them in the button so and he actually emailed us and I'm sure you didn't see it Probably not now and said here's a button I've got so far To edit these oh, that's see you see this doesn't know either Everybody has access to the Gmail account is not my fault that nobody is reading Who's a level fucking button? Oh my god, buddy younger You like buttons yes, that's great. Look everyone gets buttons is there anything going on the chatroom bunny hunger Well, we're arriving things with a Dom so we were talking about like bomb doms and like oh good Then then we're talking about like dough doms and stuff and if you got a baking bomb that'd be cool I'm not like a photo.
This is what happens when you let a little run the chat room This is awesome. What are you talking about? I like that. She's just holding her bouncy ball You're stupid Okay, so let's get into the next one I wrote a post called the fetish of consent okay consent isn't just the bedrock of safe play It also happens to be a fetish of mine I like there to be absolutely no doubt about intentions or permissions so that I don't come off creepy in any way Come off not come on You've seen animals go through their mating rituals they make a big show of it none of this cool Understated peering across a crowded bar bubble pucky the plumage goes up and the battle begins boogie What?
Plumage you can call that man. He has got caught. I try to impress in my own way through intellectually stimulating talks about sexuality You know lots of that just sounded But that's just it to me It's incredibly hot to talk things out and by dosuit so to Cultivate a high level of understanding with clear expectations which builds trust which allows for a connection to develop and then possibly in attraction I'm not trying to play hard to get but I only ever make advances after explicit consent because I am a motherfucking gentleman But you know what those otters got the plate didn't they? Like this I feel like it's kind of play turns your crank Really you really is that really is that yeah, you're an all drippy hot bother for this post Consent beat into the ground you love so much talking and like let's just give us this consent Told you Talk to me longer Look the room sign up expired guess we'll just have to talk some more and then maybe think about playing some other time when our schedules don't conflict Yeah, don't get me wrong like Consent is obviously really important, but I'm just like looking at this going what what yeah I mean, I'm sorry I just I know that a lot of people don't like this But I just do and it's so creative explorer likes it too But I think I'm even wearing on him because the other day we're talking about I don't know what we were talking about something that we're thinking Maybe bringing other players and we're discussing well how is that gonna work and we have to get tested more often and on and on and on And after a while he goes, okay, I think we pretty much talked this into the ground and I'm a what what what I drove creator explore to say that I think maybe maybe I'm getting out of hand maybe I'm getting a little out of control That is I think we've had just about enough out of you now that your jaw is warmed up There's this face right for you that is enough talking for now here have a cock I am not a gentleman by the way because I You're crazy No crazy is this There is a balance there is absolutely a balance and I know a lot of these and hold on we are starting by saying in the BDSM lifestyle We really do want consent.
That's right. I'm not avoiding consent I'm not avoiding consent, but what I'm saying in this fine BDSM lifestyle This this lifestyle of bondage discipline that sadomasochism kink rough sex Sometimes you can talk yourself out of the pussy Sometimes you can just keep talking or dick and you can keep talking and you can keep talking and sometimes you can talk so much that You build no you build this kind of integrity while I'm gonna talk these things to death So I can always know and a lot of these guys despise me in the dungeon because while they're having these Thankfully conversations with people who came into the dungeon for bondage discipline and sadomasochism not necessarily all talk They're not playing with anyone because they're not able to just put it on the table You can talk you can talk very quick You can get consent really quickly by finding out what somebody's into and what they are willing to do and putting the ball in there I have had scenes that have started literally in 40 seconds of meeting someone just by saying and then not and I'm not talking like Rufi You know that that would only take 20 seconds, but I give the extra I give the extra 20 because you know consent my reputation But you can literally be like hi, how are you doing great? What do you know what are you doing here? Oh, I'm here to do this are you interested in playing?
Are you what kind of things do you like? How do you feel about hair pulling? Oh you like it cool? That was an actual yeah, that was an actual thing you still allow for consent But a lot of times what happens and everyone's had their experiences nobody wants to be accused of something Inappropriate that's a big fear that we all have especially the dudes to be accused of that you were a predator and you didn't give consent You know you didn't allow for consent whatever So I'm not saying that there's not something that there's risks and especially if you play more sexually But there is a time where you just have to present the adult person on the other end with a scenario that says I want to be included are you here to play?
You can ask that actually relatively quick and they and then now you give them the ability to be responsible adults for themselves and say I am here to play then you can say what types of things do you like? Do you like biting? Yes, now you're in that conversation and four minutes later. You've now negotiated you have consent you have parameters for your scene Go fucking play and you also may want to if you are doing quick and dirty Negotiations like that you may also want to ask about marks just just a quick heads up Hey, but all yeah So I'm assuming his post is generally thinking about pick up play and you know Yeah So you're gonna be over cautious and so I get where he's coming from that he wants to play it really safe and like overly explicit But I if somebody came at me with that and was really trying to lay out on think about how much consent of mine They were getting I would start to think like what are you gonna do to me?
And like why are you being this explicit like what what are you covering for and how much of this is opposed? So it would bring out my suspicion a little bit because I also feel like my intelligence would be underestimated a little bit because it's like okay Now you're baby, you know, you're not assuming that I came here. I'm an adult I came here to get later. I came here to play or I came here to do whatever I came here to do and That I'm not a big girl I can't use my words to describe what I want so yeah You can ask me how to play and we can talk about it But to like really okay, but if I do this thing and put my finger here is that okay?
But if I move it down is that okay, and if I do this is that's still okay? I'd be like okay shut up, you know, like yeah, you do lose interest you can make Getting explicit consent and a pick up play an ongoing consent in a pick up place in work You can make it hot by checking in you know going hey, you know, I want to do this is a cool You know, it's that's negotiating during the scene you're not supposed to do that not what I'm saying is like if you already know You're allowed to do it go like is this no, yeah, yeah, you said I could put fingers in you Right does it still feel good? That's ensuring that they're still up with what you had because you might have thought like oh I thought we covered that we're good and now you know, you're worried that the person's gonna say oh actually I didn't like you grabbing my boobs or whatever so, you know, it doesn't hurt to check in along the way that could be I think that's mid scene I think we're talking I was talking about getting there obviously He does it as a fetish for consent and so to me that's almost like that becomes his play right like his play is like who were so sexy We're negotiating and it's so hot and I'm gonna talk about all the things when I do you and you're so into it That can be a form of play sure but it also can be a little bit masturbatory And like you're not I mean I guess there's there's there's a point if like you do actually want to do that Or you just going through the practice of doing that so you get really good at negotiating I think it is pretty easy to understand if someone wants to do what you want to do The difference is dungeon play and can play we're all very kind of rigid in how we do it Whereas if you went to a bar it'd be a lot quicker and dirtier so somewhere finding a balance between those two worlds I like the balance and there is and I don't want to say like it's it is person to person it is about having people There are people there are people that I have gone into play with in minutes of meeting them because they are fucking there to play And they let you know right off I'm here to play and then you say this is what I do and then when you get into the scene You say this is how I do it And then there's people that you can see are not solid You know that they are kind of shaky and you know kicking their feet and they're like yeah They might want to do something or whatever Well, then you use your brain and you take more time to make them comfortable And if you don't play that night and you just do groundwork I do a lot of groundwork with people where you never play with them on the first night that you meet them But it's just I think if I felt so tentative about playing with the person that I had to over negotiate that way I have to really evaluate myself like if it's a really good thing Necessarily over negotiating. I mean also he's also talking more sexually and I will I will throw this out there Especially for the gentleman in the room kind of a situation gentlemen.
I'm not even doing it here I am the only doing this room. I like it certainly not a gentleman. I'm talking like you know in podcast land. I Will talk to you I was talking to mark now again.
She ain't no gentleman. I Mean realistically getting consent especially when it comes to sexually it you Especially in this lifestyle you really want explicit because it will can come back and bite you the ass ten times harder Yeah, and I think it is really it is one of those things that this is a place where your reputation will haunt you And even the rumor of you doing something a little funky is going whether it was justified or not is going to follow you So yeah, I get how people are really wanting to be over cautious He was talking about not being creepy because that is something too if you get labeled creepy in this like lifestyle You really don't get labeled creepy. So well, it depends on the type of creepy I mean there's our cool. I mean daddy is creepy as fucking hell I'm going to be as hell but they're creepy in a way that you understand the creepy I kind of go with that which is like she likes creepy dudes too.
I kind of like creepy dudes There's nothing harmful about someone flirting with me that I'm not into it might be a little creepy But I also want to reserve my right to say no and go away There's a big difference though on that kind of creepy and like then we also spent yeah, we have creepy and creepers So okay, so let's say creepy can be either positive or negative a creeper is somebody that doesn't take no for an answer and doesn't learn Partly not that's creeper. That's calling security. Yeah Well, everything you guys maybe just need to be walked out. I totally get what you're all saying I absolutely do you can over-negotiate you talk yourself out of the pussy or the dick you can come off like you don't trust like Paper doll said you don't trust a kid the person has a brain and can think for themselves You can kill a chemistry you can take the spontaneity out of it I think that what he's talking about is he may be making a joke maybe when he says it's the fetish of consent But I understand 100% what he's talking about because it is almost a fetish To have that wordplay with somebody to listen to somebody who is coming up with ways of saying thing that you don't Understand or they're able to zero in on something that's in your mind It drives me crazy And I love talking to people who are smarter than me more intellectual than me can use words better than me And that play it's it's like taking me on a journey And it escalates and it gets better as it goes along and of course I've had conversations with people that it does not go that way And I'm bored out of my mind But I understand what he's talking about because the more I talk to somebody the more attracted I can become with to them I can I it completely Changes the way I see that person and in gender's trust which is a huge turn on to me because I can let down all my guards So it is absolutely something that I love doing and I understand what he's talking about 100% So when he gets here the show 100 you guys can just sit there and just trade buttons No, she's just a little hemorrhoid ring for this is but But I think it's also it may also to honestly be how you play too like what what how what turns you on about play You know so in other words we gave eight thousand angles for this but just What makes it a good post but the bottom line is get your goddamn consent Get your whatever leveled you know it just at any level get your kids.
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Yes, buddy, I'm good The chat room wants to know if you'll do something special for them on the 100th episode Let them know on episode 100 at this point. We have we are going to be getting Kathy spackle hyney drunk No, you're getting fucking loaded. I am not you're getting lit and then um Fucking machine They do they have a suggestion. Okay.
They would like boogie to get pegged preferably gangbang Whoa, that's a great idea That is that's great. Thank you. Tell them uh and uh, that's the blue light came on blue light. There more No, they're pretty satisfied with that.
So if I take it up the manhole then uh, we've satisfied the uh 12 or 15 people But I do appreciate them reaching out pat them on the head gently. Thank you, plenty younger By the way, you're the one volunteering for the fucking machine, right? Thank you. Okay.
All right. Do you remember last show show 97? We talked Emily's I don't Let's wrap Emily in some tentacles Right, let's change let's all be cuddle fish and be all Stop it. That's gross and then they turn into fighting And Satanic logo comes up here from the heaven and crawls down and the wall start dripping wax and then an arm comes out from the senator Remember we asked she's mentioned she had a sex dream right?
I'm listening doesn't we wanted to know what that sex dream was she wrote a test and said the dream was me surrounded by young hot girls rubbing fried chicken legs on their nipples Inductively you said that she said she said she said she said she said it was chicken chicken. She didn't say yeah She didn't say what the she said seems like something boogie would like I'm also I was dosing off when boogie said wake up Emily you can't totally made my day I remember I got a thing weird shit to say to Emily People remember like two shows ago 96. No, I don't stop Oh, it's rhetorical. Oh dumbass remember.
I thought you remember I'm like no Abyss hi remember back when no 96 we talked about opposed by don't get it twisted and she talked about I think was called city university like stops you getting late. Yeah. Yeah that disclaimer that people put on their profile The chick that was bent over with her titties hang out your numbers. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that we were talking about the post Like hot chick isn't it with a picture of the legs and everything oh tell she can come to join you time Well, she writes to us oh no and she says just heard the show and was in tears with laughter Tell boogie when I move back to the years My lust made her cry your 80d is making us cry shut up and let me finish this.
Okay, don't deserve this by the way What I'm about to tell you don't fucking deserve it Tell boogie when I move back to San Diego. I might pop by LA for a day and say hi if you'll have me Yeah, boogie you'll have her Don't don't come don't get it. I'm in the other direction I'm just looking at my girls and I'm like so you want to you guys want to a little play play with a listener She shows up. Most I'm just assuming that she means to play No, she's just gonna come by and say hi and as usual well This is where consent is gonna come in because you need to walk in the level I just walk in with a little crucifix up because we got to bunny under and mark and their voracious sleep girl attack They put you to shame they do put me to shame actually you know spines.
Oh I'm gonna talk about one more No, no, I want to make sure that every Emails I yeah, but what are you gonna do? Ready for my pegging I've got just one more from the same show remember powered by he wrote about like that mostly when you dress like a woman People think you want to be submissive. Oh, right? You played your song skirt wearing man for him and right?
Okay? So one of the things that we were all wondering after this was what kind of community he was in remember like Um, it was a small community. Yeah, like some people are so entrenched in that stereotype that Anyway, so I usually email people after we've talked about their posts and I say, you know, hey It's not it's show whatever take a listen and so he wrote back and he said I've been listening fantastic You are all hilarious and insightful and authentic my three favorite qualities I'm honored to be part of it and skirt wearing man totally made my month. Yeah for what it's what I actually like to song I wrote Jesus Christ.
I had to double check that one for what it's worth LA is certainly a much different place than the Midwest and the rest of the country for that matter, but It's a little rough out there. I recently went to a large con here dressed up and experienced a ton of support and love I still stand by my fears and observations of the world at large But as I suspected my local kink people continue to remind me how awesome and loving they are fantastic I'm getting that kind of feedback. I'm also really glad that it's local community gave us a love Yes, I'm glad that local communities are now being spawning and creating and that this is now something that people recognize like oh hey we should support this you know It used to just be so fringe, you know because it wasn't really talked about that nobody really put anyone on their radar And it's just nice now that people are I mean it just makes it better when you group together if you have a place that you can and we're very spoiled here Yeah, I just booked two more years of teas two more years of teas with Sandra into Trans cross dressing you know comes you are just and it's just a great it's great to have that party and and People just come up and dress up and sometimes don't even play They're just so happy to have a place to just dress up and look in the mirror and be who they are Thank you for having that party That's one of my favorites that exists just because it is a place that when I think if you are across dressing or trans or anything It's really a hard time to find places that do except you there's so many rules that that opt that particular Permutation out that it's you know, yeah Time like if you go to like some femme dom events They don't want cross-dressed or trans girls topping or if you go to certain Oh, there you go. There's a lot of like if then but diagrams that you have to kind of go into and like you get You know, it's a you're trying to write out of play so it's really nice that there's some support there And I've gone to it and it's been really walking in place for me I get the luxury of being a you know bisexual girl and we're welcome at every party So like I don't have to deal with this problem But you know I love a lot of people that do have that problem, so it's nice to full welcome Oh awesome Happening this weekend, right?
Yes, yes, yes, yes, absolutely You may need some fucking advice right now with a therapist named boogie absolutely is not a therapist I believe that I forgot to write down No, I didn't write down Self-inflicting pain All right, so I can't read it because we can paraphrase it we can all paraphrase it I read it Please what does it want? I put it on the I put it on our sheet that okay, and this is the only one of us who actually brings in her phone And so sure I can access the Google Drive Yeah, and there we are just waiting when we get just paraphrase it Or you can just do that okay, so this is somebody who wrote to us and asked us I felt a little sad when I read this because she is a submissive. She's also a pain slit. Oh look She's got it for me.
Thank you abyss She said we actually don't have permission to use her name. That's why I don't know She said a couple of times a month I get in a mood where I just need the pain It's a craving that I'm not able to quench with my husband who can't inflict pain on me many times I've heard as types talk about self-inflicting when they are not able to get their needs met elsewhere Is this a common practice among subs sometimes that I've talked to say that it's a normal thing for pain slits But my husband was quite upset when I brought the idea to him being surrounded by people who don't have an understanding of the lifestyle Often makes me wonder if I am wrong for needing or wanting a way to release this craving you are not wrong Absolutely not but you are in a pickle you certainly are definitely in a pickle first in you know Just my first overwhelming emotional instinct divorce But that was you know after allowing that divorce to just No, there's that's your first reaction if this is a strong need that you have in your life And you aren't going to get it from your spouse and after communicating with them there they just they don't get it They think you're sick They they throw all the bullshit at you that you're obviously broken and wrong and that you're damaging the relationship because you have these horrible urges and fantasies You are you right there are with somebody that doesn't relate to you And you you there that's a big conflict to where they can't even accept what your desires are and be willing to Find a workaround for that and it is a big part of who you are if this is a big part of your and your lifelong partner Doesn't understand it doesn't accept it doesn't want anything to do with it Then you have some things that you have to deal with or you know because not everybody gets everything you have kids You have the house you know, you know, whatever, you know Whatever that level of you've built up in that relationship with your spouse is you have to decide Which is more important and so we're not arguing with that because it's not always clean and easy There are a lot of things involved and sometimes there's kids and house and property and business and blah blah blah But if it is a core thing that you're like, I this is part of me You're going to have to find an outlet for that because otherwise you're just gonna be miserable for the rest of your life, huh? Rugby take up rugby. Go join the roller derby.
Oh, oh I joined a roller derby group. Well, I'm wondering is she does she have um, do they have king and BDSM in their life at all? I don't know It's like she it's not like they're open to it and it sounds like they may have some king But it doesn't sound like he said she is she said that she can't hurt her Yeah, but I mean doesn't mean that there's not de-ass and it doesn't mean that that it just means he won't do a So I mean I find it really hard to understand somebody who would would be into BDSM Yeah, cuz you would be tolerant. Yeah, who would be intolerant of someone saying well I'm gonna if you're not gonna give me this pain I'm gonna self-inflic- and she didn't even say that she's it's she had a discussion with him about it She didn't give him an ultimatum Yeah, to be perfectly honest I will say if it's the first time someone is hearing about this could be she in Her husband's defense if he can't bring himself to hurt her to begin with the idea of her hurting herself would be very shocking and Masculating yeah, if this is somebody who really I'm gonna go out on limit assume that this guy knows nothing about BDSM Or king because it sounds that way if I'm wrong I'm sorry, but it sounds like he doesn't understand this at all So a one way to go at it depending on how open he is to it is to educate him Sure to try and get him into the their local community or at least to read something to understand that someone you love is kinky Or it doesn't mean that they're broken or there's something wrong with them some people need that pain And that does not mean that you're ready to be taken away by the guys with the nets I mean and there may be there is cuz I mean there is a big difference between like because you need some release and there is You know self-harm sure there is big difference and he may be just assuming this is self-harm sure and that's where you got to educate I mean like a divorce.
That's my preliminary But when you look at the thing there there's an investment of time and marriage and things and also like to be honest He may just be thinking she's trying to hurt herself And let's face it like if I didn't know anything about this lifestyle and I didn't know anything and the person I loved and have spent X amount of years with is telling me they want to hurt themselves. My first response is gonna be whore It's not gonna be open with That there was never any evidence of this prior Yeah, I'm going to drop something in their lap because we've heard that situation to where people have said you know Well eight years into my relationship. I never really talked about this with my spouse This was something I did when I was younger but but those urges came back really really strong And I had to talk to my spouse about it and then it was like a big like what the fuck is this? So I mean taking the compassionate road like I know this sounds really hard Especially for the person who's having to deal with these urges and I know this is a long and arduous path If you want to stay with the person you are with you are going to have to be compassionate to them because if they don't know What's going on and they don't understand this concept like giving them the book like when someone you love is kinky It's a really great way to start because it helps them educate Because they are just seeing that I Rended this initially with my mom because she was completely okay with me topping somebody else But the idea of me allowing someone else to hurt me that was literally translating to Someone is hurting my baby So when you take it out of the context of you are finding released to the person they love is hurting themselves You have to be compassionate to the people that love you That being said you also need your your needs met So finding outlets and trying to find ways to do that in the healthiest way that is not gonna cause serious problems in your relationship or get you hauled off It's probably gonna be the best way but if he's not open to learn anything and We've seen that too where it's not about worst case scenario worst case scenario is you open up and you say hey I want you to learn about this then I'm not crazy that there's an entire community that they're well thought out that they deal with all the Physical Safety issues will be blah if this person is then like no no no you're six six sick Which we've heard that I'm not taking the kids and I'm taking the kids and then whatever then But then you need to find a more player.
Yes, there's so many variables here that if you're listening to this I'd say you need to be careful because if it is that worst case scenario in and let's just assume that this guy Profiles exactly knows nothing about BDSM and it's just horrified when he hears any little bit about it and has a closed mind And it's not gonna think anything other than what he believes which is this is super paranoid the show by the way Happens all of a sudden because now I'm thinking of what Kathy's saying like yeah You guys are getting at the force because you're kinky and he's not and now you guys are gonna go fight over the kids And I'm just not gonna bring that up in court Leaving Relationship like it said I'm like gosh we are just a little bit less of the show So I think trying to cover all our bases if that is the case honey Just be careful because if you've got kids and this and the marriage is not going well anyway Well, you need to be super super careful now Then there could be any other number of the other variables we talked about maybe he loves you and he is open enough to learn And because that's happened to where people have been like I don't he doesn't want to hurt you because of whatever his past Programming is you don't touch it I went through all that shit with Christianity that was years to get over But I did get over it and I and I got to a place and I got to a place that was more than just being a service top To where I actually enjoyed these things but there does come to a place where people will be like Oh, I understand that being aggressive is something that you really enjoy so I can get my head around that I'm not abusing you or just have them, you know on Have you bent over and you slam you really hard for behind to make sure you hit that cervix because you're gonna hurt if you want to get that pain Release Okay This is suggestion was really in as far as reports. Yeah, something else I think she needs to analyze what about that impact play that is appealing to her and why it's so important that she gets it And why it's important she gets it from her husband in that specific way. I've had past boyfriends that are like I love you I could never hurt you and I'm like, how that sucks. You know, you just do it emotionally And you're like but I'm just a bottom you're like the worst Coach is screaming at you I mean you could do things that are really gonna get to hurt But sometimes it's like you want the male person to hit you and you want to be a crash desk dummy, you know for vulvo or I've had plenty of people who've told me like no, I need a guy to do this, you know But like a lot of guys are heavily programmed don't hit a girl never hit a girl That's the worst thing you do it's not necessarily a bad program to know And you know even the idea that you don't hurt people you love that's a really You don't want to flip that sideways and throw this guy out with the divorcing is really the extreme measure And I'm usually a big advocate of fuck that shit.
Okay, you get one life go live it I said that was my first re-dars But you're at divorce thing, but it's always a black and white No, like you guys covered all the middle ground in there But it's just why does she need it so bad? What other ways could she get it is it really the one thing that she needs in a marriage? She's not getting or she's eating a little selfish too. That's another possibility and you know like like you said There are relationship counselors will help you work with shout-out too So like find a kinky kinky sex positive relationship person who might actually have really good strategies for to do that to do that I know when I lay there's a bunch.
I don't know where she lives, but I mean is there is there other like people read? There's like you know those marriage counselors specializing in that kind of stuff Yeah, there's other ways to like focus it somewhere else too Like if he cannot do the pain thing is there some is there something she can do that can focus it somewhere else? Sure, yeah, that's it All right, but being said all of that being said there is nothing wrong with you No, you're not sick. You are not twisted There's nothing wrong with you.
We do support you and we really do hope that you guys can find something that works for you Absolutely, and if he's open he can in that kind of that show and ignore the part where boogie says divorce Yeah, that's just that's just that's it's it's a part of everybody Show cast fucking institution. That's complete fucking bullshit in the first place. God damn it We hope you have a divorce a margin what divorce a boy to board come from the margin get a little done one shot I'm a little bit old Oh I Know we got every time you know That's what that was that's kind of oh Anyways, it's our show thank you special providing this for playing ground for us recording here in the Los Angeles There's a horse surrounding areas visit threshold org and find out what join their kinky family This was a great show paper doll. Thank you for being in our audience and mark and bunny-younger You guys are awesome in the chat room to Kathy If you have questions comments or ideas please email to pervert bogassajemail.com and visit perverted bogass.com And if you actually and maybe want want to help us out and I don't know give us some money Oh go to patreon.com forward slash perverted podcast and contribution so the book you can buy some of those amazing things and do more Stop moaching.
That's right and more to go. So is the chosen there That was awkwardly long preachy money thing Abortion but when it comes to ask me for money you turn in a abortion Someone What am I a man now really? Now Child And now she has nothing to add