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Episode 9 of the Fog of Truth podcast, hosted by Bart Weiss, John Wildman, Justina Wolford, Benjamin Florey, titled "Shuffle" was published on April 8, 2026 and runs 41 minutes.

April 8, 2026 ·41m · Fog of Truth

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Benjamin Florey on 'Shuffle': Recovery, Fraud in Treatment, and Building Impact Beyond the Film
The Fog of Truth returns with an interview with filmmaker Benjamin Florey about his documentary Shuffle, described as a powerful film on drug abuse and institutions that harm people through fraud in addiction treatment. Florey explains why he framed the film with his own sobriety story, citing authenticity, his relationship to participants, and work-in-progress feedback from the Austin Film Society. He discusses the emotional toll of years of editing largely alone, the support of his wife, grants and screenings, and help from an investigative journalist consultant and editors Jackie Sein and Robin Schwartz. Florey outlines resisting salacious rabbit holes, using darkly humorous, repetitive editing to reflect the absurdity and cycle of relapse, and staying in touch with participants like Corey, Nicole, and Daniel's mom. He describes growing advocacy responsibilities, screenings with Thomas McClellan at Brown, calls for reforming fee-for-service insurance toward outcomes, and plans for a university tour, virtual screenings, and eventual streaming release via stoptheshuffle.com and Instagram.
00:00 Welcome Back Intro
00:33 Film Shuffle Overview
01:34 Why I'm In The Film
04:39 Editing Through The Pain
10:11 Keeping The Story Focused
16:28 Dark Humor Editing Style
19:03 Where Are They Now
20:59 Becoming The Spokesperson
26:19 Fixing Insurance Incentives
29:20 No Talking Heads Approach
34:19 If The Film Had A Foreword
36:51 How To Watch And Support
01:34 Sobriety Framing Choice
04:39 Editing Emotional Toll
10:11 Staying On Narrative Track
16:32 Dark Humor Cut Style
19:03 Where Are They Now
20:59 Becoming The Spokesperson
26:19 Policy Fixes And Obamacare
29:20 Why No Talking Heads
34:19 Forward For The Film
36:51 Where To Watch Next
39:14 Final Thanks And Wrap
 
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