Simblifying Birthdays

I, V, M. We have the new listener sometimes. It's the whole guy. Yeah.

So, just as even though we are, uh, we have literally grown through this episode through this podcast and evidence of that is uh, once again, it is uh, the birthday of one of our co hosts and that is a Chuck. Happy birthday, Chance, happy birthday. Well, many times again, they've got on somebody else's birthday before. I don't remember this.

I just think that we've now taught us is definitely old enough to have bow they cycles. They don't know. Oh, so we fail. You know, in the simplified bodies.

Oh, I know. It's by the University. Oh, it's July 15, 2015. Oh, wow.

So happy by day to simplify. 2015, we started this six years ago. Wow. Oh, Chuck.

This older than my daughter. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I think of it.

Like, I didn't mean my wife when he started simplifying. Wow. Here we are feeling nostalgic about this. One other episode that we did.

Yeah. So what on this auspicious August, okay. August, August, August, August, August, August, August. We are going to talk and simplify.

So just a little bit. So it's not so much as a simplified junk as such. We're not simplifying. We are just simplifying.

But what goes on and why they happen and why this monstrosity is voiced in people every year. I want to start with the profundity. Oh, exactly. It's your day.

Yeah, yeah. It's a profundity. Count your age by friends, not yours. I believe this hanging out over here.

So, like, if you have fewer friends, you're younger. Oh, yeah. Logical. I thought that was a good one.

Does that explain? I know some 70-year-old people are absolute toddlers, actually. Yeah, but actually people too. Watch again.

Does that also lend itself to the restrictions that are age-related? So for example, if you have fewer friends, you're not allowed to drive and do all that stuff. You at least need to have 18 friends. Otherwise, you're not allowed to do all those things.

But I actually, like, as with most things in life, I think, if you plot this on a graph, you'll get sort of like a bellcode and then you start off your life, you have a few friends, and then you have this age when you like, have lots of friends. I want thousands and thousands of friends on my social network of choice. And then we start trimming the herd and all that. I think I realized I grew up when I hid birthday from Facebook.

Like, there's a point where enough, like, all this, like, people who, to me, you know, birthday is a great time to unsubscribe from a lot of emails. So, yes, before we switch into it, one technical question is, why is, like, you know, why is a birthday commemoration of the time you popped out? Why is it not the time you're conceptual? It's technically that would become the, yeah.

Hey, actually, that leads me to a nice joke back in the day. So, how many right to life worlds does it change? Does it need to change a light bulb? Or to want to change the light bulb, to screw in the light bulb?

And a second to say, light began when the screwing started. So, but, yeah, so, as such, to give, to start as such, let's give the full Christian definition of a birthday. Or figuratively, or fairly, just as simply, yeah. Sure.

And more, I mean, let's, before we get to the frivolity of what birthdays represent, what is, from a legal standpoint, what are birthdays useful? But these are useful for determining all those different kinds of, I mean, legal rights and responsibility milestones that people can accomplish. So, in different studies at different ages, they makes you eligible to, of course, from starting from consent to sexual intercourse, to marry with parental consent, to marry without parental consent, to vote to run for elected office, to leave full time education, to subject to military conscription, to legally purchase or consume alcohol and tobacco products, to purchase lottery tickets and to obtain driver's licenses. At an older age, it's also ability to run for office and to hold elected office at a different point.

So, that's the oldest age of, oldest ages, because almost like, to become a prime minister and to become president at some places, it's almost the age of 35 in some cases. So, that's the oldest ages that you need to reach before you can do that. So, yeah, I mean, and then retirement of, I'm just saying, probably, at the time, for seniors, it doesn't benefit, so all that. Yeah, so that's, those are like almost end of life benefits.

So, this is like, we were talking about the ages that are required to kind of get access to certain things. So, yeah, so those are the legal uses in some way. And now, in, in birthday, when you come to the celebration aspect, so legally, your, and the other, the only other place where there is some amount of legal quibble is people who are born on the 29th of February. Right?

They are, we are called yeplings. And those guys, I mean, by natural time, what they do is like they celebrate their birthdays on the next stage, the first of March, but actually legally depending on different time zones and depending on the time of day they were born. So, in a lot of places, and I do, the rule for India has not been written really down, but in certain other places like in the US, it's someone's born on the first half of the 29th of February. They're official legal birthdays on the 28th.

And if they're born on the second half, then they're official legal birthdays the first of March. So, that's how sometimes it's taken. And again, US being a federal system, it's a, it differs from place to place. So, basically, if you're born on the 29th of February, you are, be prepared to go through some legal help about trying to define where your birthdays, when your birthdays, and such.

And so, yeah, so I mean, there are also, before people, especially like what happens if the hospital is between two states? Yeah, exactly. In Kansas City, Missouri, right? They're born in like, Lebanon, 59, they're like, what, oh man, like the state intersection line is exactly like where the middle of February.

So, in which case, in which case you better hope that this is the other aspect of it, you better hope you are probably born in Auschwitz because a lot of orphans, especially people who are born without their date of birth being very clear or they have been, or they are born as orphans, purely, and it's a little sad and morbid in some ways where their birthdays are usually clumped together on a single date. So, the orphanages can celebrate birthdays together and save on costs. Wow. Yeah, so it's, so usually they're clumped together either on the 1st of January or on Christmas so that Christmas celebrations are also clumped.

So, all first skills. Yeah, so a lot of people born on the 25th of, so it's a bit of a marker where people were born on Christmas. And quite likely they were orphans and they don't really know their real birthdays. So, yeah, so it is a bit sad.

But please don't go around asking people who are born on Christmas. But everybody is not recommending this. But yeah, so, yeah, so, and similarly, but if you look at it from a more cultural religious point of view, certain birthdays are commemorated in different ways. So, first let's start with India.

In India, across the Middle East, the 1st birthday is when the Mundan happens or the shaving of the child's head, which actually originates from the fact that the hair that you are born with is linked to your past life. So, when you shave the hair, you know that. Yeah, so this is some initial literature. I'm sure there is more detailed argument about this.

And if I was to talk to my mother, she would give me another sermon about why this is important. But apparently it's when you shave that head, you're severing your links to all your past life and your regular start of your life and stuff like that. So, that's why the Mundan comes into play at the 1st birthday. The 12th of the 13th birthday, as quite a few of us might relate to, is what a lot of Brahmins undertake is called the Upanai Nam, or basically a lot of male kids around that while they get their threat ceremony done.

It's the standard age for right of passage. Right of passage. It's variable. So, it starts from the H2.

Yeah. Like Catholics have Holy Communion. Is there an age for Holy Communion? Yeah, like 4th of the standard.

I think it would be around like between 8 to 12. Exactly. So, similarly, in this thing, there's the threat ceremony that entirely happens because it almost represents that the child is transitioning into the age of what I do. And basically represents their ability to start learning.

Now, this is now they've entered the learning phase of life. So, that's what the thing represents. And also, on the other end of the spectrum, the other thing from the Hindu point of view, first I'm just covering the Indian Hindu rituals in India, is the 60th birthday, which is often called the Shashti Pooti, or it's the completion of your entire cycles of your life, which I found a little morbid person. Like my father had a similar thing.

He had completed the cycles of like, so what you should I know. So, it's kind of like a little morbid, but yeah, that's also a celebration that the person has had the opportunity to get into the future. So, they had the opportunity to get to that point where they were able to... Oh, till very recently, Indian life expectancy was some mid-30s or mid-30s or something.

Yeah, exactly. So, each 60 was a big deal. Yeah, it's a big deal. Yeah, so that becomes another milestone from an Indian point of view.

Of course, when you step out of India, one of the key ceremonies, like Tony said, was the Holy Communion for those people who are reaching a certain age of 8 to 12 or so. In Spanish, Christian communities, especially with women, there is a ceremony called the Kinceniera, which is the 15th birthday of a girl, where she's set to be stepping into womanhood at that point of time. Of course, in traditional English countries, the Sweet 16 is a similar concept of a celebration. So, in Japan, although in Japan, it's much later.

So, the coming of 8 ceremonies is at 20. So, only at 20 are they set to be coming of age in some way. And whereas in Korea, the big celebration is actually not even by the year, but it's called a big deal, which is feast for the 100th of the day. So, it's not even the first birthday, but it's the 100th day since birth when the child is celebrated in some way or the other day.

And that's commemorated as the child's first birthday, so it's the 100th day. And also with Jewish kids, the other Jewish boys, again, the 12th 13th birthday celebration is called the Bat Mitzvah. And the Bat Mitzvah is also the Jewish girls also have it. And also, the most interesting one, which I found, which also actually exists in Indian culture, is that in Ghana, on the birthday, there is no ceremony.

But the children wake up to a specialty called Oto, which is a party made from Mesh, which is a potato and eggs fried in Bama. So, you eat that and you carry on with your day. So, both of you, yes, I mean, so, yeah. So, that's one of the ways the birthdays are celebrated.

But let's look at some of the rituals that we take for granted when it comes to birthdays celebrations as such. So, one very interesting one that I found was about the overall celebration itself. So, the birthday celebration actually began with the first is the first level of commemoration of birthday celebration. So, the mainstream birthday celebration for commoners only began in the calendar was around.

So, commoners never celebrated, but they still the late Roman Empire. So, commoners, there was no concept of birthday. But the first commemoration of any kind of birthday was because whenever people were crowned pharaohs, they basically got ascended to be gods. So, the date of ascendancy to becoming a pharaoh was commemorated as the person's birthday.

So, that is the first historically known celebration of a birthday in any way. And over a period of time, still the late till the Roman Empire, where calendars were invented, where when commenders were allowed to celebrate their birthdays in some way. But even so, that was just a recognition of it. There was some, there was no celebration of calling people together.

But as Christianity took to grow along with it, there was the celebration of actually people coming together and cheering and making a ruckus is actually not just a party that just organically happened. But there is a belief in Christian mythology that on someone's birthday, people actually, spirits would actually turn up to kind of clean this person. So, they needed to be surrounded by people they cared for and the noise made us to drive away the spirits from the person who's birthday. So, how does this change in the metaverse, for example?

You are surrounded by people, but if you were to do this, assuming that the Zoom call is my birthday party. These are spirits coming, would they be scared away? No, they have to first get internet connected. For a lot of people the best birthday rate of the spirits is to consume them.

So, that's why I have to do this. Which is why I mean the day for the other hand but I don't think you have to. But, why they blew out candies? Yes, So that also quite interesting.

The thing about a candle as such, and just to compete the metaverse thing before I get to the candles is very well, may be where friends get together and run a spyware check on your entire entire identity. So, all the negative spirits go away but coming to the candles thing, it's actually a great tradition. So the Greek tradition was, I mean, the tradition of a cake itself was there from before where they used to like put these a bunch of flour and dough and like some sweet inside it so that it became something something good for people to have. The candles, the light the candles was so the cake actually represented all tennis, right, was the goddess of fertility and put this and all that stuff.

And they, an Artemis was also the goddess of the moon. So what they did was the cake was supposed to represent the moon and the candles stuck on it were actually to represent the glow of the moon. You actually put the different candles as the glow of the moon. This was the tradition that started but blowing out the candles and celebrating that was actually a corruption which happened so over the years it kept putting the candles was there.

But in about 18th century, I think 16th century or 18th century Germany, the concept of a kid's birthday party was what the modern concept of kids birthday party was what took precedence because they were, it was called the kinder fest. So the kinder fest was introduced where children were, children were children but thrown big parties for their birthdays where this cake was put and also in the kinder fest was the concept of putting the number of candles corresponding to the age of the child that came in and blowing out the candles also came in. And also along with this was the concept of like everyone standing at the so there is also the symbolism of the party hats that came in. So the first thing that came out of the party hats are actually representative of commoners when they were allowed to have birthdays because birthdays were so exclusive of royalty where commoners were allowed to have birthdays it was that they became royalty that day.

And royalty was only one who were allowed to wear the conical hats. So the conical party hats are actually representative of I am royalty for the day. So that's where the conical party hats also started. That's amazing.

I had no idea. So they also started to reference. What's really interesting though is the also along with the part of the celebrations and again going to the Spanish part of celebrations is on a birthday. A lot of people have the piñata.

They are baking of the piñata. So for the reference of listeners who may not be familiar with it. A piñata is actually it takes the form of an animal or a horse or a shape of some sort. It made up paper machine and a whole bunch of kids, basically the birthday person who's birthday it is.

They are blindfolded and they try and find and beat the piñata which is often stuffed with candy. But the origin of it, it seems like a funny ritual but the origin of it is quite sinister. Apparently the original piñata is a seven-pointed star. The original piñata was a seven-pointed star which represented the seven deadly sins.

The seven-diftly sins and candy filled inside the piñata was a representation of evil and the temptations of evil. And so the person with the stick is blindfolded to represent fate. The turning, singing, shouting is to represent the disorientation that temptation creates. And finally they are supposed to beat the temptation and win over the temptation with their speed.

So that's what the original thing is and now it's just become this completely fun exercise that people do on their birthday. So what is the more meaningful message behind just getting to the difference? What's the more deeper philosophical meaning behind just getting to strong with your friends? Surely there must be some meaning for that as well.

This meaning that has been given so far is the range definition of consuming the sticks so they don't consider it. No, no, no. That's it. Did you know apparently that August is actually the most popular book?

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So welcome back. We took a real break for one. Yeah, I know, I was just about to say this is the first break between an episode that we have actually not yet. Usually our breaks are like, and we never being in sick guys.

We have been grabbing one for two long weeks, take a break. And we'll just awkward, we'll take a break. Welcome back to Cinevide. So this time we actually took a break.

One of us went to the loop and another one was lusting after Ferrell, Russia because Sika said from there I went to Kindirpika. It was unfortunate he does not tell you today. And one of us meant for a parent each other. It's quite a mental break.

It's quite a mindful break. And coming back actually, the biggest part of birthday celebrations that I want to discuss, give some time to this because it's fascinating the evolution is, is the birthday song itself. The happy birthday song. So there is not just a cool history but an incredible present.

The birthday song had some controversy in the recent past as well which I wanted to just have. Did you say like, not just history but present for the birthday? Oh wow. So yeah, so the song itself was, the birthday song itself was written as initially written as a song to be sung, it was written as a song called Good Morning to World which was a song written by Kindirpika.

It's just for kids who started singing for the first thing during the day. The tune was developed that way and then they put some lyrics which were the happy birthday to you song lyrics to that song which then got customized accordingly. Now here is where it becomes really interesting. So the song like developed from there a whole bunch of kids who picked it up.

But the song then later got registered by the Sami company who registered a copyright for it in 1935, they didn't credit the original authors which were Patty Hill and Millritt who were sisters and didn't credit them but they created the authors who penned the lyrics to the tune which were Preston Ware Orem and R.R. Foreman. So they credited them the lyrics and the controversy really took flight when Warner or Chapel music purchased the company for about 25 million and they decided to start enforcing the copyright. So the value of the song was around 5 million and they claimed that the United States copyright would not expire in 2030 because it was registered back then.

Unauthorized public performances of the song that even less royalties are paid. This is as we said as in February 2010 the royalty was single use was 700 US dollars. Thinking happy birthday on air. This is not just like in any way like non-enforceable.

So in fact very recently there was a song where Happy Birthday to you was a Warner collector in 2008, Warner collector US dollars 5000 per day. It's just 2 million per year in royalties for the song. Claimed copyright for every use in film, television, radio and anywhere else put into the public and for any where a substantial number of those in attendance were not family or friends of the performance. So you could rest assured that you would sing Happy Birthday to your kid in your own house.

But any kind of public performance was where Warner and Chapel could claim royalties. So does that mean so sometimes? No Metallica will find out that somebody is birthday and James would randomly stop singing. So that means he's violating.

That would have been. So this is where it was. In 2015 was when this was overruled. So in 2015 federal judge King ruled that, the border traffic came over the lyrics were invalid.

The 1935 claim that Warner Chapel had was only to a specific piano arrangement of the song or the lyrics for melody. And the quote held that in question of whether the 1922 or 1927 publications were authorized. They were placing the song in public domain. And so Warner Chapel of course challenged it in some way or the other.

And here is where, so in fact before the lawsuit they had, so there were multiple notable examples where certain film makers, 1994 documentary film makers paid a $5,000 royalty to those guys. And multiple different public performances were done and everyone had paid. And because this was right, this was proved to be, the copyright was proven to have not gone out of them but never existed. Warner Chapel at the end in February 2016 agreed to pay a settlement of $14 million to those who had licensed the song and therefore returned the money for a lot of the royalties that they collect.

Wow. That's nice. And so this is actually, it's also referenced in one of my favorite shows. It's bigger by Alan Sorkin on older show in 1998 called television show called Sports Night, which is by Alan Sorkin.

And he actually, there is an episode in which where the show is about a sports podcast, a sports broadcast, which is an ESPN type sports broadcast. And so there is a segment in there where the protagonist actually sings Happy Birthday to his cohost on air and the network is supposed to pay royalties. And so because of the network for that he sings happy birthday, the entire month. And then he will tell you that he sings something else.

He'll have to keep paying royalties all the time. So that's where this particular thing was there. So till 2016, happy birthday was actually a copyrighted song. Only now it exists in public domain.

So it's in fact, if you look at the copyright for this expired only in February 2016, only maybe three or four months before simplified began. Wow. So it's a very interesting. So when we opened, had your first episode included any type of birthday, so for your first birthday check, if you're not in a decision, happy birthday to you.

You may or may have been sued by Warren Chaplin, you'll sing. This also means nothing stops us from singing Happy Birthday to Chaplin right now. Yes, it is truly in public domain. It's true.

The thing is nothing stops us from doing it except for common sense and property. I mean, someone else took a lubricant but Chaplin's flushed right now. So feel free. Yes, there were a whole bunch of, it's like for example, a bunch of before this ruling game, there were actually documentaries and campaigns to liberate the people's song and like liberate happy birthday from copyright and to kind of get it out there.

So that was actually part of the whole thing. It's part of a larger movement to liberate a lot of popular songs. Like V-Shal Overcome is still under lost is under copyright. Whoa, whoa.

That's quite right. So this is where a lot of popular songs are still holding a hell under copyright and need to be liberated from copyright. Yeah. Somebody should not V-Shal overcome copyright.

It's like an ink-labs in the bud with the copyright and stuff. Yeah. So that's where it's a, so I mean, imagine the public performance is some of, sometimes the copyright was in Enforce but the most famous rendition of Happy Birthday which is for the, in the western world, I could say is Madeleine Monroe's birthday to John F. Kennedy where she was singing it like very seductive.

My favorite Malika Sharavada. That is awesome. That's a much more. Yeah.

We should put a link to that in the description of the podcast. We need the most epic, happy birthday. Two episodes ago we referred to how China copies everything from the US. In India we copied everything from the US culturally very badly.

So as I was reading this, there's also a lot more, various references in TV. Like for example, the, in Star Trek, they wanted to try and sing Happy Birthday in Klingon for, before when it was in copyright and they actually removed it because that was even a problem because the music and the tune was also copyrighted. So even if it was being sung in Klingon, they could include it. So I actually removed it from the DVD set from Star Trek, the happy birthday rendition in Klingon and future, which is a popular thing.

We show for a lot of people where they actually had, they booked fun at the song and it's copyright by making their own version of Happy Birthday and singing it over in their own way because they said, and referencing the fact that they can't sing the original Happy Birthday because it's copyrighted. So it's come to think of it. I can't remember shows where they sing Happy Birthday. Like for me, maybe it's just, you know, it's just to it out.

Yeah. So it's always in the context of something. So you're probably remembering that. And finally the most iconic one.

I'm very surprised none of us have really encountered this much, but there was Stephen Colbert in March 2014, attempted to sing the song in honor of the 90th anniversary of the birthday song itself. So they wanted to sing it, but they found the birthday song itself. But he was prevented from his network from singing the song because it was copyrighted. So Colbert instead premiered his new royalty for birthday song, which turned out to be a parody of the United States National Anthem and ends with the stanza.

Warner music can't sue me and the home of the brave. Amazing. Yeah. That is a bit about the birthday song.

So that's why I wanted to do like all segment of the birthday song itself. And yeah, so now I just wanted to, which we usually put for the beginning of the show and I wanted to move the segment to the end of the show is, if you can start by sharing any memorable incident from one's own birthday or a memorable stuff that used to do for your birthday to give you guys a little start that I had started because I already thought of this, I will start. And so my birthday obviously is coming soon. Happy birthday by the way.

So I tend to share a birthday with another important event, which is Independence Day. So always a holiday, which is why I appreciate my birthday because it carries a holiday with it. And also I'm very pissed off because this year my birthday is on Sunday. So, but yeah, so for me my birthday is always meant firstly a holiday, but also it was great when I was a kid because it was a holiday where you would still end up meeting your friends, but not just not studying because you used to go to school for a bag of a stay.

So I used to end up actually being able to give my friends chocolate on my birthday itself because everyone was there. And I don't think you're being actually patriotic because you're actually going to be a wow, wow. I was unfortunate by product, but the most memorable birthday that I did have was when I was in B school and as was tradition also my friends all gathered to get rid of the spirits and it was going to be directly. And I was quite spirited continuing into the morning and was also a bit of an issue considering I was on the student council day.

And for the flag watching, I was required to stand on the days with the flag. Flag wasn't the only thing flying high. I was fully still drunk in the morning when I woke up. So my roommate decided to just chuck me to the shower and they managed to dress me up and kind of walk me to the place and I spit there, dumbley while the national anthem of the song.

I was very strictly instructed to just stand still and not say anything. I'm imagining you hanging to the flag post for support. Yeah, so I was effectively there and I was just trying very hard to hold out. And what was worse was after that every single member of the staff wanted to come and wish me happy birthday.

I was told that it was my birthday. At which point my roommate said he's not feeling very well and cut it beyond. Hopefully they understood. One good thing about about this you're allowed to do what you want to do.

I think my story is kind of similar to B school only. So incidentally, so I grew up in the Gulf and August was always some of vacation. So I actually never celebrated both days with friends or anything like that. And either that or I'll be at ancestral home in Kerala.

So here is where I've traditionally had both days. But all that was gleefully made up by a very receptive, friendly batch at my B school where they're very similar to your expedience. And I think they would collect. They would come to drive away all spirits in all manners, including cricket bats and rolled up bed sheets and things like that.

So I don't know if you had to set up their use study. Not only were you subject to the despiriting, but people would find any excuse to whack anybody else as well. So roommates would get it because I was part of the band and biker. Everybody else got it and boy, they really let us know how much they appreciated their home.

So it was good fun. But actually the best part they had I think was a couple of years back. We went to go. That was quite nice.

I mean, just scootering all around the place. And I think we entered it at a karaoke place where I was like, what's that? I'll cover the picture. So that was good fun.

Very simple, but nice memorable. I know you were saying most notable but days today because we're doing four. I'll use this next time. Okay.

You have a lot of time is fine because you have more of a day. So growing up. So growing up. You both have been together.

Yeah. Yeah. That legend week where everybody was one year old. So it was April 21st.

And I have a growing up. We didn't have like body celebration wasn't a thing about. So we didn't have people coming over or cake or nothing. Absolutely.

Till I even an engineering college, I don't remember celebrating a birthday. So we have to get married. My wife, you know, yeah, and she would celebrate birthday is in the nicest way possible, like, you know, making my favorite food and stuff. So it's very, so, so well being initially.

And then you get used to it and then. So yeah, I'm trying to think of. So you may not want one particular birthday, but. Yeah.

But I've done my, I've done my share of silly. So we, so I have a close friend here and I celebrate our, but he born on the 20th of April and I'm the 21st. So we have our birthday together and so the spirits are consumed well before my birthday start. So oftentimes by the time it's is my birthday, I am, how shall I say?

I am as unsteady as a coalition. I'm just like, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

I hang on like I stand without such support to carry that. Yeah. So then off late, I have, I've all from the valpoles from our days. So my last video was extremely sober.

Hopefully that would be so. And just as a clearly also another aspect of my birthday is like, like you mentioned, for me, it's imperative that also, if it is consumed the day, because on the day of there are no. So it is imperative that I discovered that the hard way because a few friends a couple of years ago decided to have a, I have a party with me on the day of my birthday and I didn't even just get to know. And nobody accounted for that.

And we all just sat around the room, you know, for a little bit. In the matter was you can get on the post. So Tony, you're done. Yeah.

So, and for April, 20. Yeah. Before I tell my birthday, no do please. The love was 22nd, I think.

It's somewhere that Tony turned out. It's not. It's Shakespeare's birthday, but before I get to that, here's a fun exercise for you guys, which is can also be scarring if you want it to be. But have you worked out what event could have possibly led to your conception?

My birthday kind of lines up with when Maradona won the World Cup in 86. I mean, the conception date. Wow. It's probably, I mean, I even asked my parents, but it's a fun exercise for you to try out and see what led to your conception.

There's also some interesting data on this because August is the month with the most number of birthdays globally as well, as well as in India. And like 9% of birthdays all coming in August. And it lines up pretty well with November, which is wedding season in India. So at least in the western part of the world also, child conception rates increase with the gold.

So that also lines up pretty well with why August is a very popular month for childbirth. But actually in town time too, right? It'll be hard to take clothes off when it's really cold. No, it's not a clever of people.

So back to my birthday story. One of the traditions that you would see with a lot of malleles is that your name and your father's name are in some way correlated. Like you'll see Thomas George and his son will be George Thomas and his son will be Thomas George. So how that works is basically the first son gets your father's name.

I mean the father's father's name and the second son gets the mother's father's name. So that's why I'm Tony because my granddad was Antony. So technically my dad is Sebastian Sebastian. So but interestingly, I was very nearly named Sachin because sometime in 1991 or 1992, Malayalam, Malayalam, published that Sachin's birthday was on April 23rd.

Actually it was on 24th birthday. So my dad was like, you know, let's say your name, let's say your name. And I was like, no, I'm happy with my name, not knowing who Sachin was. My elder brother jumped to it at this point saying, hey, change my name.

And that's how his name got changed when he was like around eight years old to Sachin. And therefore like my most memorable birthday was actually Shaja 98 where on 22nd April and 24th April, Sachin played like those 140, 130 innings. Because like you guys, I also never got to wear color dress on the day of birthday and go to school. Summer vacation.

Yeah. My sister is 24th April by the way. So that's why it is truly a legendary week of birthday. And I think that was the day of April by the way.

And I think Sadav and started on April or there's some like that date of April's great and something like that. I guess so yeah, April is quite dangerous. I share my birthday. That is also happy for the following people, Dominic Cork, who of course took a hat at LODS.

David Dukovny of the X-Files fame, Shahli Saran of many things fame. And Bruce Dickinson, who is the lead vocalist of Iron Maiden and James Vales. So yeah, very interesting set of things. We have spoken so much about celebrating the day on which you are born, but suppose technology also.

Just one point on Jimmy Vales that you mentioned. Today is also funny enough. The anniversary of when I met Jimmy Vales in the High Fine Israel. Yeah.

And spoken about your shared love of the HPC desire set. Yes. Yes. tactile fan julite.

Just imagine if we reach a point where we know the date on which you are going to die. So then would you celebrate your death date? Like you have, so who do you celebrate? Suppose like for example, I knew that I was going to die say 20 years from 40 years from now.

Would I then give more precedence to today, which is like 37 years since I was born or would I celebrate that day? We have 40 more, exactly 40 more years ago. Something to think about with all those spirits. Also another interesting fact, which when I was doing the research found out was there is also, but these are also events where conflicting ideologies can clash where 25 December is selected is celebrated as Christmas of course, but also celebrated as Newton must because I said Newton was also born on the 20th.

I thought you were going with good governance. But so it's now become like a thing where atheists and those who believe in science are so much in business because it's almost like a demonstration against religion. So Christmas therefore is reclaimed in some ways by as Newton must that the other day is celebrated by atheists who exchange research papers with each other. Yeah, it's kind of ironic because Newton was quite a loonie himself.

He was spectacularly loony. He was like, what a large part of his life. He was an alchemist. He was a practitioner.

So I would rather celebrate Christmas than. Awesome. Thank you. That's that's for about.

I feel like I got like a simplified episode as a gift. Yeah, fun. Yeah. Yeah.

Don't expect it. We should make sure that we record on, you know, let's just hope that Naray not Tony's next birthdays fall on a Saturday. In fact, 23 April 2022 is a Sunday. So it's a Saturday.

So perfect. So you realize like I'll be extremely hungry. Speaking just that still I have to go through what has occurred. So yeah, that's that's so you want to sign us off.

Yes. Sign off by saying. Yeah, they've brought their down. They've brought their own.

It seems like it was a spiritual state of being born. But. Yeah. Okay.

See you next week. Bye. Awesome.