This is such a pain in the petuit. It's remote podcasting business. How do people do this? I don't know.
Maybe they just make mistakes and make mistakes and then they stop making mistakes. Right now I'm in the mistake part. Hmm. We seem to be particularly challenged with this.
I don't know why. Well, if I really think about it historically, I'm pretty challenged by all advances. All thing. Remember when we tried to do our sub stack?
Remember that? Oh my God, the land of the lost. Yeah, remember? That's right.
That's right. That was very overwhelming for us. It was, but you know. Same thing with our Shopify store.
Yeah, exactly. So this is actually, it's not unusual that we are struggling with this new medium. Hmm. We recorded it again, an entire podcast.
Yeah. I think I was just holding my breath when you said that. I was just trying to pretend that that didn't happen, but it did. Well, one thing I thought was interesting about our land, our lost podcast, another lost one, was that you mentioned Sinead.
You suggested that I listen to Three Babies by Sinead. Or Connor. Did you listen to it? I did.
Have you ever heard that song before? I think you played it for me before, but I didn't remember it. But check it out, check it out. Each of these three babies, she will carry with her.
For herself, she asks, no, I'm not so be mother to these three. And of course, she's like a wild horse, but there's no other way she could be. Water and feed on the tools that she needs for the things that she's chosen to be. In her soul, I'm blood and her bones.
She wraps the comb bodies around her. Face so you, smell of you, will always be with her. Each of these three babies, she was not willing to leave. Though she tried last fiend and denied, she knows they'll turn to her.
Each of these, her babies brought you closer to her. No longer like horse, she'll sail out, but not last from the things she's chosen to be. Because you've thrilled her silence, to still approve things she never believed. Face so you, smell of you, will always be with her.
Each of these three babies, she will carry with her. Oh, she needs. Yeah, that just brings that heaviness right back to my chest. I miss her, and I never knew her, but I miss her.
I miss her already. She was such a part of me, what she gave to me when I was younger. I feel very, very grateful that she came into my life and gave me her beautiful music. And that she made herself vulnerable to the world by sharing herself in all ways.
And we're better for it. She's gone, but I mean, I hope that she's in a peaceful place now. It was interesting to listen to that song and kind of put my voice to it. And I guess I had to change the perspective a little bit, but I thought it is a really, very, very honest song.
I think that's a word that I would say she was honest. Yeah, her music, her voice, she would not be silenced, even when people didn't want to hear what she had to say. And even when it went against what people wanted to hear or believed, she spoke her truth. And it's inspiring for sure and sad that it can take us so long to see, oh, wow, she was really brave.
I mean, I thought she was brave when I was in high school. I never took her for granted. I always really appreciated her. I'm out here on tour.
I'm in Rockford, Illinois on the banks of the Rock River. In a hotel room on my day off. You got to have, it wasn't your day off yesterday, but you did get to have kind of a nice day, right, with Bobby Bear Jr., he took you. He took you around Nashville.
We took Maro. You got to see some things? Bobby took me to the, he got four of us into the country music hall of fame for free. We got in.
And then I just kind of walked through it with him. Like, told me stories about his family and just his personal experiences with a lot of the country stars. And we shared our opinions on music. And he found this beautiful picture of his family, this big framed picture of someone who worked at an art gallery in there, called his attention to this photograph that was actually stored in the back and then the guy went and got it.
And ended up giving it to Bobby. It was a beautiful picture of his family by the lake. And then later on we went to the musicians hall of fame and I saw some things like the drum set that was used to record the Harvest album by Neil Young, which was really very emotional for me to see the drum set, because the drum sound on that sort of beautiful, simple drum beat the beat through Harvest was something that I really associate with graduating from high school and going on a road trip and kind of growing up. There was a song called Out on the Weekend on the Harvest record that I just really loved.
It's like See the Lonely Boy Out on the Weekend. I love that song. And it really spoke to me and really changed. It was like a harbinger of a change.
It was like a real transition for me. The music that I was making with Dona Sordrini was definitely influenced by Neil Young. Just in his journey through music was really, I think we were using it as a touch tone and something to inspire us. So that was cool to see that drum set and the steel guitar used on the Harvest record.
And then later that night we played a pretty good show at the Grand Old Opry. I'd never been there and I was kind of thrilled to be there. And then later that night you sent me some pictures of you. You and your brothers by the lake when you were very young, which is sort of keeping in the theme of these beautiful family photographs from lakes.
So I actually had a really, it was a really nice day. Today was less hard. Yeah, I was equating it earlier to you, to like depression for me is sort of like knowing when you feel like a cold is coming on. Like, oh, these symptoms are starting to pop up.
Like, I'm starting to feel pain when I walk. Like, when I move my legs, just basic stuff, they start to ache differently. And it's like feeling the symptoms of a cold coming on again. You know, where you're like, oh, there's these familiar symptoms.
Like, certain things start popping up. And I'm just saying that like with depression, depression has symptoms. And so you, for me anyway, like, I don't, I mean, I'm just saying that like, yeah, moving around, it does, it changes almost like overnight. We're just moving around, going up and down stairs, doing basic things starts to physically feel painful.
And I'm not sure if that's true of other people with depression, but it's true for me. And I had a very, very heavy dark cloud. We've come down off the great heights of the Barlow Family General Tour featuring Lucille. It was a success.
It was a success. We actually had a really good time. Yeah. It wasn't easy per se, but it was very rewarding.
I mean, a great time with easy. And you did all that. The shows were great. And meeting people was awesome.
I don't know. I just, I think I'm, what was the point? I'm just talking about, we're just, we've done. But we, our lost podcast recorded a very, a very, and it was, it was very somber.
It was an extremely somber, raw impressions. And we did, we finished it up. The grumpus ode practically looked like a, like a chuckle oseoed. It was, it was dark.
And we ended by talking about Sinead and, yeah. And then I, then I realized that the podcast did not properly upload, probably do it. Due to my, I'm sure I'm at fault as much as I'd like to point the finger at something. I'm learning that there's really, there's no, you know, pointing fingers.
It's just, it's always, it is always, you know, here. It's much. Well, you would only be able to point it at yourself for me because we're the only two people involved in this. I can't get too involved in complaining to the, the application, the format that we're recording on, doing everything.
I can't do that. I have to move on and try again. Try another podcast. I'd like to say, oh, sorry, go ahead.
Well, I was also going to say in addition to, I mean, in addition to Sinead, then we also heard about P.D. Herman. And I just, it's been, it's been really intense guys. I mean, another important person in my life.
And again, didn't know him personally. He had a really good Instagram feed. God damn. His Instagram feed was pretty great and uplifting.
And I really loved it. I love positive things. And he was just pumping out these positive little videos every day. Really funny little videos, family videos.
P.E.B's Playhouse was like incredible to me. I just thought it was like the most brilliant thing I'd ever seen. I loved it so much. Yeah.
And P.E.B's big adventure? I can't truly. Oof, people. The man made a quite an impression on us.
I just wanted to say that the passing of P.E.B was also significant to me. Paul Rubens. I really want to talk about the really funny original adult P.E.B.E. but I'm not going to.
So I suggest it anyway. If anyone has not seen the original P.E.E.B. Playhouse that was a theater show, like I believe, starting in San Francisco. And the set was designed by this punk rock artist Gary Panter who did artwork for Ralph Records and these radical musical acts.
And he also set design P.E.B.E. Playhouse. And he continued to when it was a TV series. And P.E.B.E.
brought really cool artists, actors, people who are musicians. He brought them with him through this really funny adult theater show that he had. And then he miraculously turned it into something that was so wholesome and sweet. And it's really, really wonderful.
Is there any way to have a link to the? Of course there is. Yeah. Well, try to put it in the description.
Oh god, one of the funniest things. This was like on the regular P.E.E. Playhouse. He had some guests over at the Playhouse.
And he was handing out drinks. So he went milk, milk, lemonade. And he left it at that. But I don't know if you're familiar with where that comes from.
Where does it come from? It means that we did this as kids. Like you point at your breast. You've done this to me.
You go like milk, when you know, right breast, milk, left breast. And then you point. And then lemonade's the P.E. You point down at your crotch for P.
And then you turn around and you say, turn around. The fudge is made. When he went milk, milk, lemonade. And then didn't say anything else.
Like I, it's truly one of the greatest moments in entertainment history. He did not say turn around the fudge is made. But we all knew that was next. And I was just, I, that it could make it.
And it was able to reference something so primal. And something that you learn when you're very young. You know, when you are young. And the way that I just, I was like forever in love with P.E.E.E.
If I wasn't already, that was like at that moment. I'm like, oh my god. It's manest truly a gift. And I'm glad that I'm glad he came back around.
And I'm glad that we, he came back into the, into public. And really like we were able to appreciate him again. Oh, I know. Me too.
Me too. Well, are you going to spend time recording a really nice version of that Shanaeze song? Yeah, I'm gonna. You're gonna include the original rough in the beginning and then have a nice one at the end too to play it out?
No, I think I'll just record a good one and stick it right in there. Oh, okay. Her phrasing, you know, much like breakfast at Tiffany's or the Cannon crows, actually. Like getting that phrasing right and feeling it and inhabiting it is a real, it's something that I take very seriously.
So I don't want to, I don't want to, I want to do a show. It's really difficult for me to hear that song without getting choked up. I don't, I don't know if I've ever made it through that song without feeling something. I've heard it before, but I've never been able to hear what the words were.
So it was, it was a pleasure to actually go in and see what the words were and then realize I just, it really did, it really made it clear what, how brave she was and how she was really exposing herself and her music and how, and what I really, what it really reminds me of is that when you do do that in your art, it does really benefit people. And the way that people have spoken so passionately about what she made and just the way that she, and she does, she's always, you know, her voice is always like ready to go off like into this sort of wild territory. And that was, and even within that song, I can sing it, I will sing it in a very controlled way. I don't know if I could tell the way that she has anyway.
I don't know if she comes from so much drama and so much pain that I think that she was just singing from such an incredibly real raw emotion. And you know, I'll say this too about her in that song because that song is impressive in that it's deeply personal to her, yet you don't hear it and go like, I can't relate to that or, oh, this is someone's like journal entry song, it's just about them. It was so easy as a woman to put myself in her feeling and her plays in her song. And I loved the generosity of that, that to me that felt incredibly generous and that's really tricky to take something so personal and to make it then also be so open and available to others to make it.
I mean, to apply it to their own life. How old were you when you heard that song? Oh, it was a high school. Yeah, it was a high school.
And I mean, it just, I don't know, let me see what was a year that came out. Oh, yeah, 1990. So yeah, I guess I was like a maybe a freshman or something. I also loved the album Universal Mother by her as well.
So that was in 94. Oh, we were talking about women around that time. One other woman that we listened to that was a wonderful person and album to spend time with on the tour was Lauren Hill. We listened to the investigation of Lauren Hill.
Oh, God, that's right. That record blew me away. It's so incredible. I was totally blown away by that.
Yeah. I had never really listened to the whole thing. I mean, she was part of the fabric of the time when she was around the course. But I had never taken the time to really focus on, and really actually listened to anything in its entirety.
And I was, even a song, all the songs I would just hear bits and pieces of floating around in the environment, but I had never sat down and listened to a full, and we listened to the whole album front to back. Yeah, it was. Another incredibly brave, powerful, complicated woman. I think I'll pack it in and buy a pickup.
Take it down to LA. Find a place to come on, try to fix it. Start a brand new day. The woman I'm thinking of, she loved me all.
I'm so down today. She's so bad she's in my mind. I hear her call. See the lonely boy out on the weekend.
Trying to make it pay. Can't relate to joy. He tries to speak and begin to say.