Sint (2010)

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Learn more at Accenture.com slash Spotify. Hey, welcome to another episode of horror movie night. This week we're talking about Sint from 2010, which I discovered two minutes into hitting play is a Christmas Dutch horror film. Yeah.

Picked by Scott. I'm really excited to talk about this one with you guys, but I want to say one thing up front, which I believe became my letterbox review for this movie, is the whole time I was watching this movie, I felt, man, if the year was 1998 and I had rented this obscure movie from the 80s and this was the film that I was watching on VHS, I think this would have been one of my favorite movies. But I think the problem is that I have with this movie is that it almost looks way too nice for how schlocky it's trying to be and there's something that's very disconcerting to me about it where I'm like, there are these amazing kills that I'm like, yeah, but I bet if this shit was like a great EHS, if I was watching that kill, it would be 10 times better than this like pitch perfect 4K HD looking version of the movie. Like it's kind of the fun about the schlocky boobies.

Yeah, these like schlocky films that we make modern times say, I could say the same thing. If you gave me a VHS rip version of the substance, I would say the same thing. We're like, the ending of the substance is great. The ending of the substance, if that was on a grainy film that was shot in 1987 is like a whole other world to make.

But why is this kind of this? You give me ideas of what I can't have. That's my evil, I don't have a lot of evil in me, Scott. My one evil is teasing people with a future they can't ask.

Or a past that they'll never experience. That's even worse. Exactly. This is a really interesting sort of 2010 though.

I feel like, was it 2010? Yeah, it's 2010. I feel like that was a lead up into a lot of Christmas horror that was in this vein right up until we did the crampuses of that time frame. When did crampus come out?

2015 wasn't crampus 2015. Well, Matt's going to look at that. 2015. But yeah, this is in that same world of me.

This falls into that ballpark of rare exports. I think rare exports was an option for anniversaries. It was 2010, finish. They all seem to have a particular vibe in a particular look.

Well, I'll talk to their country. I'll tell you what, I do think that rare exports is a better movie than scent. But I think that scent is way more HMM fodder. Yeah, for sure.

Before we get too far, I do have to address the blackface elephant in the room, which is black. The elephant should be in blackface. Yeah. Sorry.

So this movie kind of is right around the time where finally people will... Okay, so black Pete, which they're black peeps. They are like the little... They're kind of like St.

Nicholas's evil elves more or less. But the original portrayal of them in the Netherlands was for Nicholas night, which is what this is based around, which we'll get into the date and why it is equally interesting to me in a different way because of something Matt also said. But those black peeps, people were... That's something that people have dressed up as since I want to say the 1700s in this area of Europe.

And they were originally portrayed as black moors. So that's why there's that blackface. I think that it has always been derogatory towards people of color. It feels very late, but 2010 we do still have these characters in blackface, and it's kind of an accepted cultural norm in Amsterdam.

When I was reading up about... When I was reading this movie's Wikipedia, they were talking about... I actually followed the hyperlink to the black Pete page, and they were talking about how the controversy, finally the controversy of this... of the blackface of this character in tradition became something that was more discussed in the mid-2010s.

So right around this movie was being made. So I wanted to point that out that that's totally not fucking okay, and in 2025 it should offend anyone to see that. It's not something that we are... We're not giving a tacit approval of here.

I do think though that the writer, director, and... Dick Moss. Dick Moss. Now we don't get into...

Don't do my thunder when I get to talk about Dick Moss's filmography because it's also super interesting. But Dick Moss, to his credit, wrote and directed this. He did not have the evil Nicholas in this movie, the titular saint of this movie. He did not have his black Pete's, like his goons in blackface.

They are literally burnt up, so they look like charred corpses. So it's like, I find that interesting because that is a choice, right? Yeah. And I don't want to ascribe too much to the author.

Let's give him a little bit of credit here that he was like, let's not perpetuate the racist shit, but we do need to have St. Nick's little henchmen. Let's have them all burnt to death, so we still have something that looks similar. And the people that are in blackface in this movie are...

They get murdered almost immediately. They're shitty, like frat guy as that would. I mean, in 2025, we'd go out in blackface. Spoiler alert, this is our first episode that we were recording after Halloween has passed, and boy, was the racism at an all-time peak on internet costumes from people in political power.

Yeah, it's a really exciting thing. And we have people, little shit, edge lords in Ohio dressing high school as fucking ice agents. I think that there is a world, and I do hope that as... I don't know.

I don't... I'm not... Forgive me. I'm not hoping for anything specifically that we're talking about.

I do think that there is a world and space to appropriately demean people who are racist and awful, and we need to put them in a place that makes sense to be like, fuck you, this is wrong. And since not the fucking example for that, I just think that there is... There's something that can be learned if you're talking about a cultural thing that we've done wrong for years and years and forever. There's still an acceptable way to address it and to hone in on it, and maybe even a fun way to dismantle it in some capacity.

Or maybe dismember it, actually. Dismember it, maybe. Hopefully you've just dismembered it. Hopefully you've choose the dismember it completely.

We can call it the other dismember. Dismember it. Oh, a dismember to dismember. Yeah.

So the other thing that must be mentioned is that I'm assuming we all watched the link that Scott sent us, which was to an English dub version of this, which man never in my life has a voice over dub been more appropriate. Dude, the henchman, like the detective's henchman or the mayor's henchman, the best part of the movie for us, if that's concerned. It's just like, because I've watched a lot of English dub, but so few of them have felt like the recording was coming from a different thing. Like it's almost...

it gave the effect of if I was watching a movie on mute while listening to someone read the movie to be on my phone. And the thing is, the thing is so disconnected from the rest of the movie audio. Did you also have the subtitles? Like, I think they were embedded.

I can't remember if they were embedded if I just had them turned on. Did you guys have subtitles as well? I don't think I had subtitles on. I did have a voice over that's that read to me every single thing written in Dutch.

Oh, weird. So like in the very beginning, like they would post like the list of demands and the voice would be like list of demands. Yes. And then that's the dub that we all watched because I sent it to you.

Because this movie also for the listeners is not streaming anywhere. What a fucking surprise. But the funny thing that I was enjoying, you know, through the movie, which the movie drags ass in many places. Let's not conflate this and say that this movie is like a new classic.

It is... I don't know, Scott. I had this at 1.5 and it took me 45 minutes to watch it. And I had a good ass number.

I watched it at 1.5 as well. It didn't drag at 1.5 speed. Yeah, it dragged at 1.5 speed a little bit too. But okay, so I know that we've been dragging ass more over 10 minutes into this conversation and we need to get to the plot line.

But this is an op-ses but two things. One, I want to talk about Dick Moss, which is such a funny name. I'm trying really hard not to make any sort of joke about it. Dick Moss, I believe Stephen King's character finds that in creature.

Merry Dickness. Oh my god. Yeah, because it's Nicholas, St. Nicholas, Nicholas Knight.

So it's Dick Moss Knight. Anyway, this man wrote, directed, produced and scored this movie. He also wrote and directed The Lift in 83, which he then also wrote and directed the remake in 2001 called Down. And it's our children.

I've considered doing The Lift on the show before. It's a very fucking drive because we don't speak their language. And I think that it's a cool concept. Down from 2001 might be worth a shot.

I might check it out. Amsterdam is on my long list. I remember I was when they put out the re-release of that. I was visiting my friend Jim Coons who does a lot of the mastering and the stuff for the discs with Saffron and Vinegar.

He showed me the scene of a body falling on a gondola full of children. Yes, and his body just dragging across the top. And I was like, I mean, even if that's the sole reason we watch Amsterdam, like it is up there. Listen, I'm in my long list.

It's already fine for us to discuss. That would be because the name is just the play on words. You know that? That's me every time.

Snagged dude crazy thing about Amsterdam is that there is a fucking sequel scheduled to be released on December 4th, 2025. Now December 4th is the night before Krampus knocked in the Alpine area of Europe. And do you also know what St. Nicholas night is in this movie?

December 5th. So they share the same night and Krampus has Black Peter who is an anti-Santa, right? He's a devil along with Krampus. So it's very interesting how these similar like bastardizations or not bastardizations, but kind of like this idea of like evil Santa's and Black Peter synthesized slightly differently in different parts of this area of the world.

But same night. And I'm sure it's some sort of more pagan feast night. I just don't know the actual history of December 5th. It's probably like Solstice.

The winter solstice is now Christmas. December 21st is the solstice Christmas is the 25th, obviously. And then we also have a lot of end of year, like lunar end of year feasts around in December because so many cultures, pagan cultures, pre-Christianity, were looking at those dates. So I'm assuming that December 5th was some sort of holy feast day throughout Western Europe, and that's why we got that.

So anyway, I just wanted to point out that Matt, you are not far off with Krampus from 2015 because Krampus Knock is the same date as, uh, St. Nicholas night, which is where, when this movie falls. Now, to a plot of this movie, I will keep it quick because there's not a whole lot. There's a lot of like, I don't know, just odd filler jokes that are kind of like, oh, they're Dutch.

This is their humor, you know? Which is crazy though because watching the dub version, which the comedy did come through on most of it, but then at the same time, there's so much rhyming English language stuff that happened in the dub that it made me think that it was written in order to be a rhyme. I can't imagine that all those rhyming words in English that were presented in this are also rhyming in the name of Tom. Interesting, I hadn't thought of him.

So maybe Tic-Moss wrote two scripts, I don't know. I was curious about that. I definitely think that this movie has an issue with overabundance of character as well. They introduced so many characters, and normally I don't mind that, but I think the run time, the problem is that we maybe have arguably there are nine characters that we're supposed to care about in this movie, but very rarely are any of those nine characters doing stuff together for large chunks.

So we're only getting across an 85-minute runtime or something like 15 to 20 minutes per character to get to know them and give a shit on if they die or not. I didn't kill anybody dying in this movie. I was just there for the party. Well, that's what I mean.

So you're basically there for the kills and less for the character, which is why the first chunk of this movie has its... I mean, it starts strong. Every movie that starts with a nice flashback where you get a lot of killing starts great. That shovel to the side of the face.

Real good. Real good shit. But then we get into the teenagers and all that. The 25-year-old teenagers, these motherfuckers, this bread and Ruth look like does not look like a teenager to me.

Frank. So for the listeners, I'm so sorry, the scene unfolds. The Boca pulls back. It's December 5th, 1492, and the former bishop, Nicklaus and his gang of thugs, are going around pillaging the Netherlands under the full moon.

And once people are like, fuck this, and they burn him alive on his stupid boat. So we fast forward to December 5th, 1968, and we see that Nicklaus and his black peats, as we discussed, return as murderous ghosts. Whenever the Feast of St. Nicklaus falls on a full moon, which is explained later, every 42 years.

This family is getting ready to put out their shoes filled with treats for St. Nicklaus, which are then swapped with treats for them in the morning. It's very much like Stockings in America and many other places. Gert, I'm not saying his name right, but he sounds like Go Gert.

He is a young man of maybe 12 or 13, and he survives this killing spree while his family, while he watches his family all get slashed to death by Nicklaus and the black peats, because the family pigs are upset and he goes to console them. He's very traumatized as one would be. And then we get a second fast forward to December 5th, 2010, and Gert is a detective, a police detective, working in Amsterdam. He believes that it has therefore been 42 years, and St.

Nicklaus and his black peats are going to send upon Amsterdam to wreak havoc and murder as many children, particularly children, as possible on that evening. No one believes him and thinks he's a fucking crazy guy, which honestly from the outside tracks. Before that, though, we meet all of the teens in quotes that I mentioned earlier. We have a classroom full of kids who are sharing sex toys, and the teacher is laughing, and he goes, congratulations, this is the sixth dildo of the year, breaking last year's record of five.

Everybody's like, ha, ha, ha, and they have sex at all. This is supposed to be a high school classroom, right? I know college. They're sitting at the little kid desks.

It's a party right before St. Nicklaus night. He's a saint. He's a friend of the class.

Frank gets a big package, no pun intended, and goes up to open in front of the class. It's actually all the shit that he gave to his ex, now ex-girlfriend Sophie, who has been cheating on him with a guy who works at a tattoo shop. He's not really that upset, but Sophie and her friends are walking home and sharing the dildo, the purple dildo, shaking it around as much as possible, really getting their money's worth for that prop. And she suggests that Lisa, who is quote unquote, this virgin who's not having sex with anybody in Amsterdam, so she's the only one who's not fucking in Amsterdam.

I've never been. I mean, I actually wasn't the Amsterdam import this year, but did not go out into Amsterdam to see if everyone is fucking. You were not going fucking? No, I wasn't even doing any detective work to see if everybody was fucking in Amsterdam.

But she suggests to Lisa to put it in her shoe for St. Nicklaus, and honestly, if I was St. Nick and I found a fresh clean dildo in a shoe, highlight on my night. Where else are you going to get a useful gift in a shoe?

It's one of those things where you're like, every fucking year you get the same stuff out of this shoe. I don't want cookies. You end up getting a dildo, then you just have to, even if you don't, you just have to appreciate the balls. The balls are just, well, that was basically the start guys.

Anyway, yeah, you know, when life gives you dildos, have a seat. That's what I always say. This might be a good time to talk about the racist black Peats that we mentioned earlier. Frank's bros are dressing up like that.

Frank is going to be St. Nicklaus for the children at the hospital, I guess, or an orphanage or something. I wasn't paying enough attention to that. They go out.

They get lost. And then both of the black Peats are successfully murdered by the other black Peats. Frank, oh, and Frank's ex-girlfriend Sophie gets murdered and stuffed in the chimney in a gory way. Wonderful.

Wonderful. Wonderful little way to go. The reason why the black Peats are also shard up in this is because I think that this might be part of their folklore that they go down the chimneys because St. Nick does not have a lot of money.

They go down the chimneys because St. Nick does not go down the chimneys, but the black Peats do, and that's why they get covered in the sweat. But still, racist caricature, not okay. We don't appropriate.

We're just here to tell you the story. So we then have to listen to Frank gets arrested for the murders of his ex-girlfriend and his two best friends. He then goes to the police department and is like, no, it's Killer, it's Killer, it's Killer, it's insane. You're going to jail.

So they drink to jail. Yeah, straight to jail. They put him in the back of a cruiser, which then the cops that are driving that get murdered by St. Nick.

I just love St. Nick's sharp staff. It's such a great weapon. If I was into dressing up as monster characters with those tight-fitting face masks, I would totally fuck with a scent costume.

It's so much like what I already do for my grandpa's costume. I would only have to change a couple things. But that staff would be the absolute cherry on top. But the key.

Yeah. So Frank is about to get murdered by Nick loss and then Gort shows up with a flamethrower and saves his life, takes him to his boat and is like, so I'm going to blow up their ship. And Frank's like, count me in. So they go out onto the, they go out onto the, they go out on the water, wherever they, because he's looking for St.

Nicholas's ghost ship. They find it and they're going to drop floating towards it when they are promptly arrested again by some police on a boat who are then promptly murdered by Black Peats. They escape the boat, they get on the land, and more cops show up who are like in riot gear basically with a ton of machine guns. They all get slaughtered by Black Peats and St.

Nick, where St. Nick does the best kill of the whole movie where he wraps his, the curl to top of his staff around someone's neck, twists it, and then takes it back and just heads gone. Yeah. Yeah.

Freaking dandelion. It's fantastic. I mean, some of these kills are amazing. The other thing I actually did write down that I think we do need to shut out is like, the editing in camera works throughout this movie is actually really fucking good.

Yeah. Like, there are some like really cool transitions at one point where like the camera is moving up. I think it's like, I think it's when her body's found in the chimney and the camera like pans up the chimney and then suddenly pans into the dashboard of the car that the guys are, like, it's like a really slick look in transitional piece. And there's like a lot of that in this.

This is a beautifully shot movie. Really, the only thing that I don't like about the cinematography in the visuals is the reliance upon CGI. I feel like if they would have just kind of, if now, and this is, this is writer, director syndrome, right? Dick Moss had a vision and he was not going to accept compromises.

So that's where we get the CGI. If they would have just kind of tightened up the script and I think made it a little bit less expansive across Amsterdam. We would have gotten probably a cult classic. Like this movie is not really bad.

I was going to tell you even heard it. I had no clue. I even watched this movie for years. I just hadn't had a good excuse because like I was like, you know, you guys know and listeners know that I'm obsessed with seasonally appropriate movies for the show.

And this has been on my list because like I've really burned my way through almost all of the Christmas movies that are that we haven't discussed and that I want to discuss. So that's what 10 years of doing the show will do. This is just kind of, it was low bottom of the barrel kind of stuff because I didn't know what it was. You know, I just knew there was a killer Santa basically and that it was, you know, a foreign film.

This just seemed like the right time to do it. And I watched the only reason that I knew that this was going to be a fun watch. I didn't know about the black Pete's when I picked it. I watched the first five minutes in 1492 when they all when there's the mass murder and pillaging.

And then they get burnt alive and I'm like, this looks great. Let's do it. So anyway, back to this doesn't lose its quality beyond that. You know, it's very consistent all the way through.

Yeah. Yeah. The the the the insensitivity is is a hard pill to swallow. But like I said earlier, I want to say that the director was trying to say a little something.

I don't know. In any case, we're not quite at the end of the movie yet because Gort has been stabbed and is bleeding out. He's been bleeding out for the last 20 minutes or so. He finally kicks the can and Frank is about to get murdered by Nicklaus.

And he makes the the boat that is now full of explosives and gasoline. He he lights a tub of gas or something that defies the laws of physics and therefore just makes it shoot off towards the ghost ship. It explodes the ghost ship and seemingly makes the ghosts like disappear. So he has survived the piece of St.

Nicholas's night or however you want to call it. And he's in the hospital. The mayor is talking to the police. They pin all of the killings because throughout this movie, like St.

Nick is murdering children all across the city. He murdered them in that like that. I don't know if it was an orphanage or if it was like a children's ward and he killed Sophie's brother and other people. So they're gonna pin all those murders on Gort who was dead.

And they say, oh, he had he was yeah, he was sprouted into a depression because of the holiday. This henchman that I was talking about with the like I think he's got like a vocoder voice. Like they wanted whoever did the the voice over to sound more booming and deep. And so they like pitched his voice down to make him look more like the character that was actually playing it.

He comes to see Frank in the in the hospital and says, you can't tell anybody about this. The mayor said so. By the way, here's some blood money to keep you quiet forever. Maybe you should get your sick month, you know, like a lung transplant or because like I didn't mention it but his mom is sick.

It was really a real MacGuffin kind of thing where it's like, oh, it's not my other silence, you know. And then his girlfriend, his oh, I also didn't mention that Lisa was cheating was helping Frank cheat on Sophie before the events of the movie. Wow, because he knew that Sophie was cheating on him with the tattoo artist and they're all just like, Oh, funny. So eventually I guess something like that.

But Lisa shows up and she's like, here's your present. She straddles him and takes off her top. And honestly, boobies are equally great as Christmas presents as a fresh dildo. So listeners take no easy for you for you or your loved ones.

Dildos and boobies. When in Amsterdam and then we get a really shitty last look of Saint Nick loss on the Amsterdam Tower and then a close up of his face. Like he's going to be back in 42 years, which it makes sense. And then they're going to cover it up again.

So that's sent. And one thing I did want to mention about the quote, quote, quote controversy of this movie isn't the fucking black face. When this movie came out in 2010, people in the Netherlands were mad because they didn't like that it had an evil looking Saint Nick on the poster. Like a burnt up face Saint Nick and they like all these parents were like, you can't have that out.

And and Dick Moss's reaction was, if you're kids, if you can get your kids to believe that Saint Nicholas exists, you can get your kids to believe that this isn't the real Saint Nicholas, which I'm so dry. It's so logical. I love it. I just love that it's 30 something years after we already dealt with that with Silent Night, Deadly Night.

It's never going to stop. It won't. If you make an evil Santa Claus, I mean, well, I guess I don't know. I guess I take that back.

You know, Violet Knight had come out recently. There's another... Two years ago? People don't care that much about being the case, but I feel like Violet Knight is also different in the sense that as somebody who had to watch it for Christmas 365, like Violet Knight, Santa's still the hero in there.

Like the concept of that one is like Santa has to turn Violet to save some kids that are about to be murdered on Christmas Eve. I'm curious to see how concerned America reacts to the new Silent Night, Deadly Night was supposed to get. A bunch of new hobbies? But feel free to upgrade and listen ad-free?

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What are you going to show us? So I'm going to... This is what I would do to not lose friends. I would pick Black Xmas from 2013.

I'm going to say 6. 6 or 7. Because they feel very much that kind of glossy CGI-y kind of thing. But if I was home alone, I'll tell you guys later what I would pick.

Whoa. Oh, Brad. Something a little 6-year. How about you, Kyle?

I have two. The thing I think I would really want to watch is Santa Claus is coming to town. I want to watch after this. I think it was like a murder mister.

I just love it. But even one that's probably more genre appropriate, but I'm going to let you go, Matt, before I lay that one down. You go, because I have two, and I haven't decided which one. I'm also going to suggest Santa Slay with Bill Goldberg that also feels like it's in this sort of horror comedy.

Santa's Evil brought back super-naturally realm. But I also don't think that it's really that fun beyond the opening scene too much. So I don't really want to watch it, but it would be fun to show off to people as well. I think that's fair.

Keep in mind that you mentioned Bill Goldberg. It might tie to something else I talk about later. I had Krampus and Silent Night Deadly Night. I'm going to go with Silent Night Deadly Night.

I think that is the more. I was going to say Krampus is more tonally accurate, but I think Silent Night Deadly Night is still way more fun. I absolutely agree, of course. And here's the thing that is that if we were trying to go hardcore into the...

not hardcore, that's the wrong term. If we were going to get hard for this night, no. If we're just going to pick a second movie, when we're alone... Are you all right, Scott?

How are things about it? Anyway, elves, which racist Santa shit. That's the movie that I would do if I was a home alone because they're both so over the top, in that sense. elves is a better watch in my opinion than since.

I showed Barb this year. This was the year I showed that one down for. Broke that barrier. I think I forgot how many insane things happened in that movie.

The whole thing is a mess. But it's just a Nazi undertone of the Van Reich made evil... Scott, elves. The fact that that's by the time they reveal the third Reich, you've already watched a woman murder a cat in a toilet.

And you've heard a ten year old say, my sisters got huge fucking tits. And I'm going to tell everybody that I saw them. Yeah, I'm a really good kid. It's blowing on all cylinders, if you will.

It is just absolute pure mayhem in ways I never knew I needed. It's the key situation this night. You know, a great way to find out which of these movies we've actually discussed already on the podcast is to check out both our letter box and our website, hmnpodcast.com. But you can also just search up hmn podcast on any social media, including Letterbox, and you'll find us.

You can even support the show by going to patreon.com.com. And if you go to hmnpodcast.dashery.com, you can even buy some shirts to support the show. Now, before we leave, Scott, I've got to ask you, what have you watched, listened to, etc. That you want to talk about?

Well, I just have a quick little recommend of a book that I read. It has been on my TBR for quite some time. And I thoroughly enjoyed it. Now, I gave it a four star review.

I didn't give it like a written review, but I gave four stars on Goodreads. But it's more of like a three and a half. It's not perfect, but it's really fun. I enjoyed it.

I burned through it in three days. It's called A Botanical Daughter by Noah Medlock. And I love a good Frankenstein's monster. This is very much that.

I think it kind of telegraphed that from the first couple pages, so it's not like a surprise. But the conceit is it's 1899 in England and a gay botanist and his broody taxidermist lover. We taxidermist lover live in this greenhouse. They're rich.

The botanist is rich. And he creates a plant-based life form. And it's written by a queer man. So it's got a very interesting kind of like bent to the idea of what is socially acceptable during that time, which also is fucking sad that it's still not socially acceptable now to be gay.

Just where it feels like a fun read. It also feels so funny to me to read it. And I kind of like telegraphed everything myself that I knew was going to happen, but it didn't make it less of an enjoyable read. But remember when Kyle particularly the bog wife when I was talking about that back in the summer?

Yeah. It's funny to have those both on my on my red list for 2025 because they're kind of inversions of a similar concept and theme. And also since I'm never going to get another like first read of Alan Moore's Swamp Thing series, I kind of am always searching for that dopamine hit somewhere else. So I'm not saying they're anywhere.

Neither of them are anywhere as good as Swamp Thing, but both of them are very good reads, if you will. Yeah, it's interesting. How about you Kyle? I watched Poltergeist 2 and 3.

I got a double featured DVD a while back and I never seen either. I mean, I know it's Poltergeist is not even really a movie I hold too close to me. It doesn't do a lot for me. It just came into my life later.

It's a really good movie. Like it's, you know, Matt and I talked recently this year, especially being dad, step, dads having kids in our realm. It does hit a lot differently. I was going to say that movie hits so much different now that I live in a house with kids than it did when I watched it before because it is way to me.

It is every time I'd ever watch Poltergeist, it was, oh, the horrors of being sucked into this crazy TV dimension and like now watching that. I feel like the most terrific moment in the movie is the mom screaming as she can hear her daughter calling for help, but has no clue where she is and how to help her. I'm like, oh, that's what adult horror is. Yeah.

I cannot wait to be a motherfucker. I can't wait to watch the whole in the ground for this show because you will love and hate it. So we, so y'all had watched two or three for this. You only watched three.

I think we need to do two eventually. Two. Yeah. So I liked them both equally and I think it's because I don't have, I'm not, I'm really not holding them in comparison to the first, which I think is why they suffer and suffered for so many years.

I, you know, I, there's something, you know, two is great. The family is there and intact and they've moved, but the, the evil presence is still sort of tracking them down in sort of the ones that got away and there's a backstory with a cult and there's some like really, really great family stuff. There's some comedy, like there's some really great effects, but three, three is the one that I had so much fun with. And I, because I think that it does completely remove itself from that realm with the exception of like, Heather work and Zelda, uh, Rubenstein returning.

Uh, but this sort of skyscraper that gets haunted, all these practical effects and, and camera tricks and it is just a showcase of, of really, really fun effects that I don't really give two shits about the, the story all that much, but watching all that stuff happen in action. I really like Poltergeist three. I think when we did Poltergeist three, so much of the show was like, we shit on things. Yeah.

And we came at it pretty hard. I do think that even then, I think that there's a lot in which that's the right response to, but I just, I mean, I was just, no, they're in camera trickery in that movie. Like I remember when I most recently rewatched it, I was like, this is pretty undeniable that this is fucking awesome. Yeah.

That they were able to do as much of this shit that they pulled off. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and, and it just, you know, it, it, it would double feature so well with demons to and, you know, just like skyscraper or horror and like very like lived in lots of people in the same place where it's so interesting.

Um, yeah. It was, I, I enjoyed my watches of both of those as something that I kind of went in with, with no expectations and just sort of trying to fill in some gaps on, on my horror viewing. All right. I'm going completely away from horror as I'm known to do.

Yeah. But Kyle, you mentioned Bill Goldberg, who as we all know is a wrestler. I watched a wrestling documentary that I was like kind of really impressed by on peacock called WrestleMania 9 becoming the spectacle. Oh, yeah.

I saw that you watched this. Okay. So for those of you non wrestling fans in the world, which I mean, I'm becoming more and more of every day, um, WrestleMania 9 socks. It is like one of the absolute worst pay per views that has ever been produced.

And this documentary kind of dives into why, but what is really kind of cool, unique, it sucks that it's kind of produced by the WWE because there's always that element of their controlling the narrative throughout. But basically at the time that they were doing WrestleMania 9, it was like the beginning of them being like, no, WrestleMania is a big deal. We're making this a big deal. We're doing this in Vegas.

It's going to be outdoors. It's going to be a huge deal. So they had hired camera crews to walk around backstage filming everything. And then nothing ever got produced with that footage.

So this documentary is someone like 35 years later combing through the footage that was shot and then interviewing people that were there to get their story behind it. And like, you know, they interviewed the undertaker and he's like, look, I was 20 something years old. I was taking the shit very seriously. He's like, you're not going to find much of me in those cameras because the second I saw a cameraman come by, I immediately snapped into character and he goes, that's why nothing got produced out of this is that like all of the wrestlers took cave babes.

So seriously still at that point that none of them were willing to like break procedure. So it's kind of you're getting like this duality of this documentary crew trying to shoot a duck up behind the scenes documentary and all of their subjects essentially being too difficult to make a documentary. And now like years have passed and people don't care about like covering that story as much that are like, all right, here's what happens. Here's why for no explainable reason, Hulk Hogan just beats Yoko Zuna in 30 seconds.

And like, it's really, it's really well done. And like, they do try to, they try to do their WWE thing of being like, it's not as bad as you remember. It's as bad as you remember. As someone who like at one point was like, I'm going to rewatch all the WrestleMania is like that thing is a fucking nightmare to support.

So yeah, I totally agree with you. I know we know Scott, you're always talking about it. From nine on just can't just can't do it. I stopped at nine guys.

I was all in until WrestleMania nine. But I mean, I was like, you know what? I recommend this and it's, you know, maybe an hour and a half, two hours like it's not some of those WWE documentaries, as I'm sure Kyle knows, can be real fucking marathons where they're like, hey, you know what people care about a four hour documentary about Paul Heyman's life. This is like a reasonable human lens, DocuBressley, so you know, I don't think it's like a masterpiece by any stretchy imagination.

But I know we have wrestling fans in the audience. I say, give it a watch. It's not the worst way to kill an evening. And speaking of not the worst way to kill an evening, listening to Harvivi night every Thursday night on your podcasting app, we know you'll love it, but let us know through a rating and review and a subscribe.

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